Keith Kizer: Thiago Silva may be out of the UFC longer than a year
UFC 125 should have been a time of celebration for Thiago Silva.
Instead, he found himself mired in controversy after his initial pre-fight urine test was found to be "inconsistent with that of a human." Silva initially denied the allegations, trying to save face, but it was eventually confirmed when the second sample also failed to pass.
The Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC) made an example of Silva by dropping the hammer with a full year revocation of his fighter license as well as a $33,750 fine.
And this isn't the first time a fighter has tried to get by the NSAC with fake urine.
Longtime mixed martial arts veteran Kevin "The Monster" Randleman famously tried the same maneuver for his Pride 32 fight in 2006 and he was caught as well.
NSAC Executive Director Keith Kizer recently discussed with Pro MMA Radio exactly how Silva snuck by the initial inspection process and why he may be out of action for longer than a year.
"With the Randleman situation, he was wearing biker shorts and he used the "whizzinator" as they call it. With Thiago, he turned towards the toilet and he had a vial of fake urine in his underwear. As he turned away he was able to palm the fake urine, turn, the inspector didn't get a clean look, and he was able to pour the vial into the cup."
"The inspector needs to be in front of the fighter when he urinates. It's an easy fix. It should have been there already. It was our newest inspector on the job. The older inspectors already knew to stand in front of them."
"When I approached the inspector and told him we had an issue with Thiago's urine, right off the bat he said, 'Keith, you know what? On that situation I was behind him when it happened.' After he saw what the 'A' sample showed, he was very disappointed in himself as he should be. He's well aware of the fact that with every fighter, you need to be in front. It'll make it easier in the future to catch them."
"The best scenario is to discourage fighters from even trying to cheat the test. The second best is to catch them in the act with the inspector and the lab test is more of the last line of defense. Synthetic urine cannot pass a steroid test. Our first goal is deterrence. Deter them from using synthetic substances in the first place."
Silva was fined 25-percent of his fight purse as well as $20,000 of his win bonus. Some may feel that Silva being allowed to keep any of his win bonus is unfair, considering he cheated and while Kizer agreed, he also explained why Silva was allowed to keep some of it..
"For the most part, about 80-percent of the cases where a fighter fails the test, they usually lose their entire win bonus. It's rare cases though because usually the guy that failed the test is the one that lost the fight. He's taking something illegal because he needs it to have a chance. Most of the time it's not enough. Regardless, it's still unfair, it's still cheating and it still harms your body."
"I think what happened here was twofold. In the Randleman case, he lost the fight. He was in that group where they still weren't good enough. His fine back in '07 was 1/8 of his purse. He had $40,000 in show money and he got zero win since he lost the fight and they took away $5000 of it."
"We've ramped it up since then to add to the deterrence. To me, I like it more when the commission takes away the whole win bonus. The win was changed to a 'no contest' as well. Mr. Silva did come clean, albeit belatedly. We want to encourage people to come clean. Obviously first of all we don't want people do it but if they do do it, we want you to admit it. We don't want guys to come out and say 'I don't know how these steroids got in my system' if you do [get caught]."
"He was actually very forthcoming at the hearing. Even if some guys admit that they've done it, their stories don't quite add up. This was definitely a situation where everything added up that he said. It doesn't excuse it but I think because of that maybe they wanted to send a message to other fighters."
Kizer also clarified how long Silva is suspended, explaining that he could be out longer than fight fans and media initially expected.
"I heard some news sites saying it's a one year suspension. That's not the case. On a normal one year suspension, as long as you test clean, you're back and you can fight again. We revoked [his fighter license]. On top of the PEDs(Performance Enhancing Drugs), he committed this fraudulent act.. You have to wait at least a year before you can apply again and once he applies again, everything is still on the table."
"The commissioner may or may not say yes."
For more on Keith Kizer's comments on Thiago Silva, check out the replay of MMAmania.com's exclusive presentation of Pro MMA Radio by clicking here.
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It is so easy to pass a piss test. Thiago deserves what he gets.
As a dumb high school kid getting piss tested 1 once a week I always passed while constantly smoking weed. And that was 15 years ago, I’m sure there are even easier ways now.
easier ways than not taking any shit that will show up in a test in the first place?
it sucks for thiago and us fans, i was hoping kizer would explain what did thiago take and why. My guess still is pain killers but would love to known for sure
He took PED's.
Tough ish, we probably won’t see him fight again in the UFC and I like it.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
he will be back in the ufc, no way they let a top 5 guy in that division fight anywhere else.
If you spell Ndamukong Suh in Scrabble, you win. Forever...
by DetroitDrew1980 on Apr 14, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
top 5?
Seriously? He’s a cheating chump, if he can’t get cleared to fight he won’t be fighting.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
his next fight after being cleared will be in the ufc.
If you spell Ndamukong Suh in Scrabble, you win. Forever...
by DetroitDrew1980 on Apr 14, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Here's how you fuck with a test while been watched from the front:
dip the tip of your thumb in bleach 15 min before the test. let it dry. when you piss in the cup let a small amount bank off the tip of your thumb and into the vail. test will come back as unreadable hence buying yourself a little time.
Are you ready for the sex, girls?
by arm.bar.bandit on Apr 14, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, Thiago isn't Top 5.
1. Bones
2. Shogun
3. Rashad
4. Rampage
5. Machida
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Quarry : Serra : Wandy : Pulver : Alvarez
i think he would be rampage, but the bad test drops him down, who knows how much the ped's played a factor.
he is way to good for this to cost him his contract.
If you spell Ndamukong Suh in Scrabble, you win. Forever...
by DetroitDrew1980 on Apr 14, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Well if he can’t get sanctioned to fight he won’t be fighting regardless.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
he will get sanctioned, just not for a while.
If you spell Ndamukong Suh in Scrabble, you win. Forever...
by DetroitDrew1980 on Apr 14, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
He can get sanctioned in Mexico right now.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
could he fight on the card in brazil?
If you spell Ndamukong Suh in Scrabble, you win. Forever...
by DetroitDrew1980 on Apr 14, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
No
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
whats the difference between mexico and brazil? it should be all or nothing.
If you spell Ndamukong Suh in Scrabble, you win. Forever...
by DetroitDrew1980 on Apr 14, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
He could fight anywhere there is no sanctioning body
but there is an unwritten rule that if you fight against the NSAC, they will be harsher in the re-instatement.
Look up Edwin Valero’s (boxing) story. He couldn’t get licensed in the US and fought in Mexico/Venezuela/etc. for 5 years, even though he had a physician’s clearance.
Nick Diaz, what more can you say about the guy. He is a such charming, well spoken young athelete with an incredibly bright future. He continues to get better everytime out. He will out strike any striker, out brawl any brawler and out grapple any grappler. Next on the list is to destroy a wrestler and after he beats GSP ass all you haters will just have to STFU and recognize he is the best.
That kid was a monster talent. Fischer from The Ring called him "my son". Another tragic death to add to the list in el boxeo.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
I always wondered if the brain trauma was linked to his violent behavior.
Can’t find much about him in that regard. He was an amazingly hard puncher for a smaller man. What a shame.
Nick Diaz, what more can you say about the guy. He is a such charming, well spoken young athelete with an incredibly bright future. He continues to get better everytime out. He will out strike any striker, out brawl any brawler and out grapple any grappler. Next on the list is to destroy a wrestler and after he beats GSP ass all you haters will just have to STFU and recognize he is the best.
Nah,
Rampage KO’s him IMO.
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Quarry : Serra : Wandy : Pulver : Alvarez
he has 1 ko in his last 6 fights going back to '07, and the ko was against wandi, he ain't ko'ing thiago.
If you spell Ndamukong Suh in Scrabble, you win. Forever...
by DetroitDrew1980 on Apr 14, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he could.
Let’s face it, Thiago ain’t gonna be dancing around. They’d likely plant their feet and throw, so someone is bound to get hit. Rampage has a waaaaay better chin, so IMO Thiago would go down first.
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Quarry : Serra : Wandy : Pulver : Alvarez
lol science has not moved any since then on checking huh
by Anothermmafan on Apr 14, 2011 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Since when is Keith Kizer the UFC president?..sick of thsi dude
by Lesnar's striking coach on Apr 14, 2011 11:36 AM EDT reply actions
He calls the shots
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
I agree
Kizer has a big head and thinks he is more important that he really is. I love seeing the UFC spread around their shows, too much money going ot NSAC already.
ALso, what the hell do they do with the money they take from fined fighters? Just pocket it? Seems like it should go towards a fighters health care fund or back to the taxpayers that pay for NSAC’s budget each year.
by detroit_fan on Apr 14, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Kizer also tried to get the year long sentence to start on April 7th instead of January 1st
He’s getting really strict with the cheaters. Sucks when a fighter you like does this. He was already out from UFC 108 til 125. Now he’s got a whole nother year
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."
by Ponch-Hoe on Apr 14, 2011 2:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
LEGALIZE ROIDS!!!
Not the stone ages anymore ppl, get with the program.
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Apr 14, 2011 11:42 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
100% disagree
Like mothafuck all y'all, Mr. Mike Tyson flow, uppercut all y'all, step into my ring bitches, ding ding bitches, click clack pow pow bing bing bitches
Kizer is going hard on the cheats, I like it.
But i do like Thiago,
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."
I dont get how they are encouraging the fighters to admit it, when they give them longer suspensions for admitting it
and the fighters that dont admit to it, get off with like 6 months. Hardly seems like there encouraging it
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."
by Ponch-Hoe on Apr 14, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that's not the case at all
He got the longer suspension because not only did he cheat, he tried to cover it up with a fake urine sample. That’s significantly worse than just pissing hot. It was an attempt at fraud.
If he hadn’t admitted it, he’d likely be out even longer and would have lost even more of his fight purse.
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by Brian Hemminger on Apr 14, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i disagree. cheal admitted to taking/using banned substances but got reduced sentance.. how does this differ. if anything after the initial trying to get away with it Thiago has been the most helpful and honest yet recieved the harsher penalty.
I thought Chael just didn't properly subimt that he was taking hormone therapy?
And wasn’t that therapy done legally by a licensed doctor?
It's all about the entertainment.
and it was 4x the amount that should have been in his systme under a doctor's care...
Nick Diaz, what more can you say about the guy. He is a such charming, well spoken young athelete with an incredibly bright future. He continues to get better everytime out. He will out strike any striker, out brawl any brawler and out grapple any grappler. Next on the list is to destroy a wrestler and after he beats GSP ass all you haters will just have to STFU and recognize he is the best.
I thought it was 4X the amount of a certain hormone
where he was lacking in some other hormones (hence the small testicles) they introduced more of another hormone to make up the difference. I read the report he had a normal level of hormones in his system it was just a certain one that they gave him more of that particular hormone so it was unusual.
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by ScrapPackBackAgain on Apr 14, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Chael didn't try to cheat the test
He told them beforehand he might come in high on testosterone. He didn’t do the double whammy like Silva where you take the banned substance and then try to fake the test results.
If Silva had just pissed hot instead of faking the test, he’d likely have received the same penalty as Sonnen, maybe less.
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by Brian Hemminger on Apr 14, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Sean Sherk vs Hermes Franca......that'll tell you anything u need to know.
Title fight, both fail…..Hermes Admits and Sherk fights. Results = Hermes gets full punishment while sherk gets reduced. Look at james toney vs NSAC….He basically harrassed them during the hearing calling them idiots and telling them that they set him up as some type of a plot and he got it reduced lol
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Apr 15, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
Bw. Torres
Fw. Aldo
Lw. Edgar, Pearson
Ww. Alves, Condit
Mw. Maia, Wandy
Lhw. Shogun, T Silva
Hw. JDS, Reem
by Jamie The Peach Hunter on Apr 14, 2011 12:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
by the way
I love the quote in your sig, it was in the beginning of Brian Stann’s book
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by Brian Hemminger on Apr 14, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe that’s a Teddy Roosevelt quote.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
Yup it was Roosevelt. One of my favorite quotes
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."
by Ponch-Hoe on Apr 14, 2011 2:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why did Sherk only get 6 months and he denied it all along?
unless in that case the CASC knew they fucked up?
Fighting solves everything.
$33, 750?? That's too steep!
c’mon Dana, atleast cover the fine for the guy. he stepped up for the main event on an already injury-prone card.
and he wasnt doing it to get an unfair advantage, he did it to recover from his back injury – still not right, but understandeable considering the pressure he was under.
Fighting solves everything.
Why? He cheated therefore doesn’t even deserve to get paid, which he did. Doesn’t deserve a penny, and STFU about his back already.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
A cheating scum bad thug
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
Crooked and corrupt
“We want to encourage people to come clean. Obviously first of all we don’t want people do it but if they do do it, we want you to admit it. We don’t want guys to come out and say ‘I don’t know how these steroids got in my system’ if you do [get caught].”
Why would anyone admit to it when they can take lying lessons from Fael Sonnen and get a reduced sentence?
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Apr 14, 2011 1:03 PM EDT reply actions
He should lose 100% of his win bonus. Zuffa should take it back since he cheated to get the bonus.
It's all about the entertainment.
he should go in this intermezzo
to japan(if the promotions are sitill there) or to to Canada to that pride rules event…
1 year lay off is too long for a young fighter

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