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Royce Gracie vs James "Lights Out" Toney

I've made a few predictions in my MMA watching career. I picked Jon Jones to beat Shogun and to remain champion for a long time. I like my odds on this whole thing to come true. I've also made some terrible predictions in my time. I once said Dustin Hazelett is the fighter to watch at UFC 124 and well, that didn't turn out so well. But, it looks like I made another solid prediction. ROYCE IS COMING BACK!**

**These statements are a complete assumption on my part due to my pure excitement at the thought. We are still waiting for people to actually make it official.

I had heard that there were rumors circulating about the UFC card in Rio having Royce Gracie on it. It looks like we made another step in the right direction recently.

According to Cagepotato.com, Royce was scheduled to do some seminars in the UK during the spring leg of his seminar tour. The company responsible for scheduling the tour, NJM Promotions, has been informed by Gracie's manager that he will not be appearing in the UK in order to train for an upcoming fight in August. It just so happens that the UFC will be coming to Rio in late August.

Whenever Gracie's manager, Mike Kogan, was contacted regarding the issue, here's what he had to say:

"We are talking about fighting in August. Nothing is locked down, no."

Kogan did not deny that Gracie would be fighting on the card but simply stated that nothing is official yet.

If you're new to the UFC and MMA world, if somebody isn't denying something, it's probably a good sign that it's going to happen but they aren't allowed to say. When Dana was asked if Royce would fight for the UFC again, he responded "I don't think so".

So you can see that we are simply speculating here but it appears that both sides are open to talks. And since both sides are talking, we might as well put in our two cents on who he should fight. 

At first, you hardcore fans are going to hate on the idea and call me every name in the book. I'm OK with that because this match-up must be made. Who should Royce Gracie fight at UFC: Rio? None other than James "Lights Out" Toney. I can already feel the loathing of that last statement.  Let me try to explain.

The man is a Gracie

Whenever your family is responsible for building the entire sport, you deserve to fight on the card. Even if you're a 45 year old man. The Gracies will always have their name stamped on the sport and when the man who helped propel it to where it is says he can fight again, you let him do so. The Gracies have a big enough name here in the States but in Brazil, the Gracie name will most certainly attract huge numbers of attendees.

Style vs Style

The whole idea of the UFC was to prove which style was superior. We all learned very quickly that if you are only allowed one style in a street fight, you should probably pick jiu jitsu. This fight will help recapture those moments. Any interview with a Gracie will usually have the standard lines about how the sport was created to help the little guy beat a much bigger guy. Well, here's the chance to prove that "The Gracie Way" still works. Put him in the ring against a much heavier and younger opponent and prove it's effectiveness.

It's not an easy fight

We have the standard jiu jitsu vs. boxing matchup. This doesn't mean that Royce is guaranteed a win. Toney is an incredible boxer with great hands. If Royce stands to long or can't get him down, he is in a world of trouble. On the flip side, if Toney can't defend a take down..... I think we all remember what happened against Couture. If Royce loses, it's probably best it's from a punch. We don't need him to take another ground and pound beating like he did against Hughes.

It would be fun

Just admit it, it would be a lot of fun to watch. The Gracie TrainA flashback to the early days when you set two guys against each other who are skilled in completely different arenas. One guy can win with a single punch and the other just needs to get it to the ground. I can only imagine the kind of things Toney would say about Gracie. And Royce, no matter what age, isn't going to take it lying down. Who doesn't want to see the Gracie train make it's way to the octagon one more time? So let us know what you think.

 

Do you think Royce should just hang it up or is there a match up you want to see? C'mon, admit it, you want to see that fight now.

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What weight class?

Pretty sure toney is a lhw and Royce is between ww and mw.

"their not pikeys are they? I fuckin hate pikeys"

by vinrex7 on Mar 29, 2011 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

It's in Brazil. Not a Problem

The Brazilian Commission doesn’t have as strict standards. The UFC said they will hold to the same state standards but if they want it, they won’t have a problem getting it done.

we got a saying back home, if your coming on…come on!!!- harold howard

by Kc bjj on Mar 29, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Toney should never fight in the ufc again! Period!

He’s an embarrassment when it comes to mma and doesn’t deserve the payday.

by goldmouth on Mar 29, 2011 3:31 PM EDT reply actions  

They wouldn't be able to meet at a weight

But I agree, this could have been a fun fight.

Don't make sig bets with StrikerDave.

by jay. on Mar 29, 2011 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Since it’s going down in Brazil. I think they could get close enough for the Brazilian commission to allow it.

we got a saying back home, if your coming on…come on!!!- harold howard

by Kc bjj on Mar 29, 2011 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

have them fight like it was in 1993. no weight classes.

The University of Utah is off to the Pac-12 Conference and will be in the South Division. Hopefully we will get to the first ever Pac-12 Championship Game. Jon " Bones " Jones new light heavyweight champion. Even if Jones got struck flush in the face he would recover and defeat whoever is in front of him. I told everyone the fight would be easy. Almost felt sorry for Rua. Anderson Silva would never fight "Bones". The Cult of Personality is here.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Mar 29, 2011 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Open wheight? Yes, I bet Gracie by submission in 30s like in the begin of the sport.

by Eduardo Cruz on Mar 29, 2011 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I wouldn’t be too excited for this fight. Gracie would easily choke him out. Wouldn’t mind seeing Toney against a striker though, maybe Pat Berry or something.

"Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."

Fan of: Cole Miller, Amir Sadollah, Alan Belcher, Bones Jones, Frank Mir

by Pootwich on Mar 29, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Be smart to -

If anyone kept it standing with Toney they are one punch away from hospital….

I don’t like Toney at all – it’s just the truth he has dangerous hands – Thats just about all

Who the fuck would bet against Jones?!

Pro sig bet record: 1-0-0

by scarnon on Mar 30, 2011 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

i would be excited to see this on the card.

If you spell Ndamukong Suh in Scrabble, you win. Forever...

by DetroitDrew1980 on Mar 29, 2011 7:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Gracie's first fight in the UFC was against Art One Glove Jimmerson...

The sport has moved on so much but I WOULD LOVE TO SEE GRACIE COMPLETELY DEBILITATE A BOXER AGAIN THAT THEY TAP OUT OF PURE FRUSTRATION

This could honestly take place as an openweight fight – Brazil would be ok with that and it would only be to showcase to the boxing world – “You bring that in that cage and it just isnt enough!”

I’ll never forget Art Jimmerson tapping out to well… Noithing -Just being mounted haha! For those of you who havent seen it:

Who the fuck would bet against Jones?!

Pro sig bet record: 1-0-0

by scarnon on Mar 30, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

He expected to be jabbing the shit out of Royce and he didn't want to break his hand.

"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute

by TheGreg on Mar 30, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah funny huh -

How limited the knowledge of what these guys were getting themselves into!

But yeah he said it was because he didnt want to hurt his jab hand…. hahahaaaaaa!

Didn’t want to hurt his jab hand – He never even got to use his fucking jab hand!!!

Who the fuck would bet against Jones?!

Pro sig bet record: 1-0-0

by scarnon on Mar 30, 2011 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Man you beat me to it. still..

If Toney wears one boxing Glove and Royce wears a gi, you can count me in.

by cbrody111 on Mar 30, 2011 1:19 AM EDT reply actions  

haha thats what im talkin about!!!

on glove vs GI round 2

Let’s get it on!

Who the fuck would bet against Jones?!

Pro sig bet record: 1-0-0

by scarnon on Mar 30, 2011 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

No. I couldn't be more against this fight.

I like the sporting aspect of MMA and I’m not interested in seeing the biggest MMA promotion in the world hold a worthless spectacle of a fight. I understand if other people want to see this happen, but I have no interest whatsoever.

"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute

by TheGreg on Mar 30, 2011 1:48 AM EDT reply actions  

come on man - it wouldnt happen at all

You know it wouldnt – Cant we just have a laugh though?

The idea of going back to the Gracie Train days just excites me and brings up all sorts of imaginative qualities from me

PS James Toney can go die in a fire before I would pay to see him go down again – I dont see him getting in the cage again

Who the fuck would bet against Jones?!

Pro sig bet record: 1-0-0

by scarnon on Mar 30, 2011 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess I'm just cynical enough to believe Dana would consider putting this fight as a co-main event

knowing that in Brazil they could get thousands to come out just to watch Royce choke out a fat, washed -boxer. If it didn’t have a legitimate feeling of realism I would think it was very funny. Instead I find it rather chilling.

"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute

by TheGreg on Mar 30, 2011 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah you have a point

it is a bit scary knowing that Dana could pull this crap – But still… I think even he knows that Royce is a big draw for the card and James Toney is not – Much better idea having Royce in a more classic battle

How about a rubber match with Sakuraba – Not for an hour and a half but last time when gracie won he was done for roids – i wanna see him finish sakuraba – And im sure he wants to as well….

Who the fuck would bet against Jones?!

Pro sig bet record: 1-0-0

by scarnon on Mar 30, 2011 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

That fight would make sense.

Both guys should certainly be retired at this point, but I wouldn’t mind watching them fight one last time against each other.

"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute

by TheGreg on Mar 30, 2011 4:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

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