UFC Quick Quote: Jon Jones siphoned Shogun's gas with opening round knee and head kick
by Jesse Holland on Mar 21, 2011 8:52 PM EDT
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"I was very surprised with (Jones’) game, Shogun trained a lot and Jones was able to neutralize [his] game, I think he studied Shogun’s game a lot, so congrats to him. Shogun now needs to go back to Brazil and analyze the fight, see what went wrong and go from there. I think (Jones) has a brilliant future ahead of him, he’s a very young athlete, but in this weight class I think it’s very hard. People don’t seem to be able to keep the title for more than one fight. Everyone wins and then loses the belt so it’s a very tough weight class and there are a lot of great fighters, so we’ll see. He’s a young guy and will stay strong going forward, but Shogun will be able to make a strong comeback, for sure. I think (what went wrong during the fight) was the very first strikes Jones landed on Shogun, that knee and the head kick, may have taken his gas away."
Murilo Rua, older brother of former UFC Light Heavyweight Champion Mauricio Rua, talks to Tatame TV about his sibling's performance in the main event title fight of UFC 128: "Shogun vs. Jones" back on March 19 in Newark, NJ. "Shogun" fans were disappointed at the Brazilian's listless performance against challenger Jon Jones, which hearkened back to his stinker against Mark Coleman at UFC 93 in 2009. While many pundits cited his recent knee surgery as the possible culprit, "Ninja" instead thinks it was his opponent's first round knee and head kick combination that robbed his brother of his stamina and marked the beginning of the end. Will Shogun come back stronger? Or continue to fall victim to the "new school" of MMA? Thoughts?
(Thanks to Orcus for the translation)
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Jones, forrest and coleman all exposed shoguns horrible cardio
If you make shogun work he will break, to bad coleman was a senior citizen when he fought shogun, that fight would have been easy for him if he wasn’t.
which were ironically all after surgery
by Phenomenal Angel on Mar 21, 2011 9:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
but hes always came back stronger
Shogun vs thiago silva
by Phenomenal Angel on Mar 21, 2011 9:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thiago the druggie? You want shogun fighting more cheaters?
Forrest = Heavyweight
Coleman = Steroids
Jones = Heavyweight
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
by danago on Mar 21, 2011 9:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
this guy again^^^^^
I like bacon...and danago is a TRAITOR and can not be trusted...
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Oh, now I’m a guy? I though I was chick yesterday, make up your mind big-retarded-dawg
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
by danago on Mar 21, 2011 9:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
oh yea...my bad hoe
I like bacon...and danago is a TRAITOR and can not be trusted...
#1 Quinton Rampage the Dragon Slayer Jackson fan for LIFE..FTW!!!
The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his"
..."Son...you gotta panty on your head"...
i havent been on much, but what was verdict, did thiago cheat??
by Phenomenal Angel on Mar 21, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Still a mystery it seems.
I hope not as I like his style but will lose all respect if its proven he cheated.
Shogun’s surgery played a part im sure but its classy of Shogun’s camp to not make excuses.
I think if LIl Nog loses to Phil Davis (which I think he will) then Shogun vs Lil Nog 2 makes perfect sense.
I dont think you can call Jones or Griffin cheaters
Until they start missing weight like Rumble Johnson or Alves. Even then “cheater” isn’t the right word
by jestermarcus on Mar 21, 2011 9:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A heavyweight fighting a light heavyweight is cheating.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
by danago on Mar 21, 2011 9:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So what does that make A. Silva if he takes on GSP?
by TheFriendlySponge on Mar 21, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s makes gsp stupid for taking the fight.
I told you kids Rua was gonna run through Jones, but no one listened. The hype train has made its last stop, and the "mighty" Jon Jones has fallen. Shogun tore him up with his muay thai, and dominated in every aspect of the fight. He came in fully prepared and got the job done, like I knew he would. Still the greatest p4p of all time. And STILL UFC LHW Champ, Mauricio Shogun Rua.
by danago on Mar 21, 2011 9:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Look i agree gsp shouldnt fight Silva
Well, I think he’ll lose anyway but Rashad started at HW. So should he have just stayed there? I know you’re trolling but still dude.
by jestermarcus on Mar 21, 2011 9:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
a homophobe
Sometimes I am God, if I say a man dies, he dies that same day.
by sir.tickleberry on Mar 21, 2011 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Danago. Are you saying shogun doesn’t cut weight? He can drop to 185 I’m sure but he cuts weight without a doubt. Seeing as how /anything over 205 is hw I guess shoguns a cheater
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by LOKIE on Mar 21, 2011 10:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So is Bisping.
He left his “natural” weight class, LHW, to fight smaller fighters at MW.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
by TheGreg on Mar 21, 2011 11:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Cheaters?
First of all anything that is legal is not cheating. Cutting weight has its advantages and disadvantages but it’s part of fights. If these so called cheaters went to a higher division they might end up facing some one cutting down to 265 in hw and getting out sized.
So I guess everybody is a cheater
Anybody who cuts weight is a cheater including Frankie Edgar because he even cuts 3 pounds off. Makes GSP a cheater, Matt Hughes, Randy Couture, hell even Shogun then coz I bet he cuts at least 10 pounds.
LOL!!!!
Im still laughing at Danagos Si g!!!! I dont know whos the bigger loser – him or Shogun?
Why? Cause I said So !
PAC man
So I guess there’s an argument for manny being a cheat? He fights bigger guys so he is faster, surely that’s as much cheating as a strength or weight advantage?
My word, cheating is when you break the rules, commit an illegal act. Cutting weight is a part of fighting always has been. I’m sure one day jones will fill out and move to heavy weight. But to say guys are cheating is plain in educated and retarded!!
by the real mo on Mar 22, 2011 6:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Obviously you haven’t seen too many shogun fights. The only time his cardio is in question is coming off of knee surgery. He can’t properly train and get his cardio right while at the same time healing. I’m a big fan of Bones and don’t wanna take anything away from him but that wasn’t shogun. He didn’t throw one leg kick which is his most powerful tool. He was sluggish and out of shape from the opening bell which is not like him unless an injury is involved.
jones
Straight put it on shogun.
..and i hate him for it. I think this might be the one time I root for, dare I say?….rashad. damn I hate myself
by meed55 on Mar 21, 2011 9:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
the enemy of my enemy...
Sometimes I am God, if I say a man dies, he dies that same day.
by sir.tickleberry on Mar 21, 2011 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
is still a douche?
but you bet your ass rashad is the lesser of two evils and we know machida can take out rashad and shogun take the title from machida.
one can only hope
i'm with ya
Sometimes I am God, if I say a man dies, he dies that same day.
by sir.tickleberry on Mar 21, 2011 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Ninja is right
After rewatching the fight, Shogun was not gassed, slow or sluggish for most of the 1st round nor did he seem to be slowing down. Towards the end of the 1st, when he got up near the fence, he ate a head kick. Rogan said ‘hes hurt’, and from then on it was like shogun was in slow motion.
Not saying the outcome would be different, but I still think shogun would have a chance subbing jones if he wasn’t dazed. For instance, in the 2nd round jones went for a spinning back fist/elbow and was too close, resulting in shogun clinched around his waist from the back. A ‘normal’ shogun would have had a much better chance and following through with the leg lock or even hip tossing jones to the ground.
Jones’ needs to stick to his awesome wrestling and leave some of the fancy crap out before it catches up to him.
Well the fancy crap is what makes him so different though
There are many great wrestlers, for example bader. Bader is an excellent wrestler(not saying hes as good as jones, but still) now while he is a good wrestler he doesnt have the creativity of jones. Thats what seperates the two for now….and a 85 inch reach lol
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by ItalianStallion54 on Mar 21, 2011 10:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don’t really think its the creativity, I think its the wrestling. Greco roman is much different than traditional wrestling, its actually closer to judo. It will take a high level judo guy or similar greco roman player to stop the kind of control that Jones has from the clinch. Or unless someone can shoot on jones first and put him on his back, but his length will make it easy for him to get up. I just don’t see a traditional wrestler giving jones any kind of trouble.
Shogun did well not taking damage from the bottom in the first round, he just got nailed when he was getting up. I would like to see a rematch someday. I would also like to see jones fight a good sambo player, they typically have good clinch work and nasty leg locks.
Anderson Silva
has a black belt in Judo.
"if violence is not the answer, ask a different question."
Ninja did not make a good point...
… Or maybe this was just translated wrong. How the hell does anyone gas out from taking a knee to the face and a headkick. Maybe he meant dazed and wobbled. Not gassed, getting kicked or kneed does not make a fighter gas out…
adrenaline rush to survive
adreline dump from there on
it took away his gas tank?
Or his heart?
by AzCombat on Mar 21, 2011 10:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Shogun being on bottom and trying to sweep and go for the leg lock really tired him out, he really tried to use brute strength to sweep. He honestly looked like he did against forrest and coleman imo…The year off coupled with a surgery didn’t do him any favors. The kick and knee dazed him bad…but him being tired left him open to it.
Jones might just have what its takes to hold on to this belt. Perhaps end the musical chairs era of the LHW division for now
-"Perseverance is the hard work you do after you get tired of doing the hard work you already did."
so good man
It looks they are so strong.are they hurts in their musles? said NFL Hats
Shogun doesn't beat JBJ on his best day.....
he’s gonna pretty much be too much for everybody at 205…….only person I see having a chance at a competitive match is Anderson.
Not a hugger for Jones but he’s clearly on a different level like Silva is at 185. But Jones can wrestle which really sets him apart and now he’s improving his standup and striking. I saw him practice that straight kick that Silva knocked out Belfort with prior to the start of the fight and sure enough he landed it on Shogun (not quite as good as Anderson did). The guy has ridiculous talent and physical gifts. Should be champion for a LONG time…..I definitely don’t see a one and done like all of the other recent LHW champs.
Hoping we don’t have to wait too long for the Silva – Jones fight…
Potent blows to the head...
can make someone appear sluggish or out-of-gas and simply catching one’s breath between rounds won’t solve that problem. I can’t speak to Shogun’s fitness level and whether the knee surgery played a part – I don’t think anyone can do more than speculate unless we were a part of Shogun’s camp and inner circle. What I did watch was a drastic change after JBJ nailed Shogun towards the end of the first round up the against the fence. Shogun was wobbly and sluggish almost immediately and never recovered. To me that speaks of head trauma aka a concussion
Life's what happens while you're making other plans
Jones is going to do what silva did to rich franklin. He owned them and now keeps them in his back pocket. The size advantage and reach jones had on shogun was devastating. Shogun landed one good shot. Jones is keeping this title for a while and rashad is going to get work harder and quicker 1st round KO
by unsoundmma on Mar 22, 2011 7:42 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
REMATCH
One thing is clear from this fight, Shogun has a chin of granite! I really thought he was gonna walk thru Bones’ strikes and nail him like Machida and Liddell. However, he used no foot work or body movement to cut the range so he could properly strike and thus just decided he was going to walk staight in-eat strikes and counter. Horrible plan bc JBJ hits like a HW. Shogun said he was 100% ready for the fight but he looked worried before the fight started. I’m wondering if some other powers were at play here? Either way, Shogun will hopefully recover and be back with a better game plan. Jones camp did an awesome job preparing for Shogun and had the perfect plan.
LOTS OF HUMBLE PIE...
To all of you that said Shogun was going to destroy Bones Jones. I’ve yet to see anybody in here say that they were dead wrong and that Jones whopped his ass, and hasn’t made any excuses for Shogun. If Shogun said he has no excuses, then don’t make them for him. Shogun is an incredible fighter… but the new breed of MMA is Jon Bones Jones, get use to it, it’s reality.
I never thought he was gonna destroy....never posted it here either
But I did have Shogun winning, by tko. Clipping him with one punch then finishing him…I was wrong obviously.
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