Was Fedor Emelianenko's loss the desired result for Strikeforce?
by Geno Mrosko on Feb 18, 2011 3:38 PM EST
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MMA media mogul Ariel Helwani essentially says as much speaking with Sherdog (transcription via Fight Opinion):
"I don't think that they will admit this to us on the record at least but, trust me, I'm not going to call anyone out but I spoke to a few people in Strikeforce who, when I said ‘what does this mean?', a smile instantly appeared on their face. I mean, I'm not saying that they're rooting for Fedor, obviously not, but let's be honest, I mean, everyone knows that it's very hard to deal with M-1. So, now, April 9th it's not an M-1 Global & Strikeforce event. That's just a Strikeforce event."
Fedor Emelianenko's recent loss to Antonio Silva on Feb. 12 in New Jersey may have devastated PRIDE fanboys everywhere, but apparently Strikeforce was all smiles after "Bigfoot" put an end to the "The Last Emperor's" hopes of winning the heavyweight grand prix tournament. Did the San Jose based promotion really want Fedor to lose his second fight in a row because it's a pain to deal with his management at M-1 Global? Or is Helwani perhaps misinterpreting the signals sent by company employees? Opinions, Maniacs, if you will.
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April 9th it’s not an M-1 Global & Strikeforce event. That’s just a Strikeforce event."
Thats interesting does this mean if Fedor won it would still be M1 and a SF event??
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Any event with Fedor on the card was co promoted by M1
Anybody in this sport without a loss hasnt fought the right guy yet - Keith Jardine
by AintNoSunshine on Feb 18, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
april 9th wasn't gonna have him on it regardless
I think thats why puck is asking ANS
mondaymorningblackbelt.com"
I thought I knew MMA until I met Two_Words"
No they said they had thought if healthy Fedor would be on that card as well…
Or did I make that up
Anybody in this sport without a loss hasnt fought the right guy yet - Keith Jardine
by AintNoSunshine on Feb 18, 2011 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Fedor was not on that card regardless but they made sound in this statement that
It would of been? When they announced the tournament when they brought all the HW’s out it was announced as M1 and Striekforce but I was no sure if that ment every card or if it was just the cards that Fedor was on?
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
.... that it would of been co-promoted....
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
I dont remember but I vaguely recall somethign about Fedor fighting in April. Wel technically he still can since he lost.
Anybody in this sport without a loss hasnt fought the right guy yet - Keith Jardine
by AintNoSunshine on Feb 18, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
That would make no sense because he would face the winner of reem vs Werdum
Why would he fight on that card if he would of won?
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
i can see M1 lobbying for a fedor-arlovski rematch on the april card
but not as part of the tourney. that way, it will be an M1 event.
i would rather see him face the loser of werdum/alistair
then waste time fuckin around with arlovski again..we all know how that will end…
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"Yeah right. The man who singlehandedly killed ManBearPig is a loser"- Al Gore
I think watching him fight the Reem
would be painfull for the Fedor fans.
by jewjiffshoes on Feb 18, 2011 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
as painful as watching him against any top competition i guess
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"Yeah right. The man who singlehandedly killed ManBearPig is a loser"- Al Gore
If fedor would of won though
He wouldn’t be fighting on the April card but by this report it makes it sound like they still would be co-promoting? Thats all I was getting at from the start.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
That would of made no sense.........
"Not only did ViolentMike suck the best dick all season, but he also had the best butthole and won the inaugural season of the Gayest Fantasy Football League ever held"
O wait......
I got ya now lol my bad
"Not only did ViolentMike suck the best dick all season, but he also had the best butthole and won the inaugural season of the Gayest Fantasy Football League ever held"
Drago!!!
Where you been? Don’t feel like I have seen you since football ended.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
I've been lurking lol
I’ve been busy as fuck……….
"Not only did ViolentMike suck the best dick all season, but he also had the best butthole and won the inaugural season of the Gayest Fantasy Football League ever held"
how could he be on that card
if this is the other 1st round fights? who was he gonna fight? assuming he was healthy is also assuming he won, so he’d be waiting on winner of Werdum/Overeeem
mondaymorningblackbelt.com"
I thought I knew MMA until I met Two_Words"
And thats what I was getting at
By the sounds of this statement if Fedor would of won he would of not been fighting in April but M1 would still be co-promoting the tournament?
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
I would say that M1 is copromoting the whole tournament
doesnt that make more sense? but making sense isnt what they do, so I don’t know
mondaymorningblackbelt.com"
I thought I knew MMA until I met Two_Words"
That was what I thought as well from the start
But according to Ariel Helwani this is not so?
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Why do you think Fedor...
stopped using one of the greatest walk out fight entrance song.. once he arrived sate side?? Everytime Fedor came out to fight in PrideFc.. his entrance music gave me chills.. now he has his uncle singing acapella folk lore gar-bage.. I have no clue why he dropped that song.
found article that states
“Fedor Emelianenko’s entrance theme music during his pride years was Enae Volare Mezzo by Era. Due to purported copyright issues surrounding the use of the Era song in the United States (Fedor used it in Japan,) he was unable to use it. "
oh...thanks for the intel...i still got that song in my ipod and bump it once a week
fyi: there r two different versions of the song. fedor uses the way cooler version!
i never really thought about that.. in a sense it's a very good thing for SF..
I wonder if thats why we keep hearing about this “committee” that could decide if Fedor returns to the tourny as an alternate..
I also wonder if those snakes at M1 will try to hit SF up for % of the rest of the gran prix regardless if fedor gets back in?
stay tuned i guess..
so what if im not the smartest peanut in the turd!~
by stinky~fingers on Feb 18, 2011 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
hmmmmm
I also wonder if those snakes at M1 will try to hit SF up for % of the rest of the gran prix regardless if fedor gets back in?
great question
My guess is SF
realized what a pain in the arse it was to deal with the russian gangster and looked for a way out.
by jewjiffshoes on Feb 18, 2011 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
BROCK/ALISTAIR/CAIN
Fedor cant retire until he faces one of the above or avenges both losses to werdum and bigfoot IMO
Cum on my face?
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"Yeah right. The man who singlehandedly killed ManBearPig is a loser"- Al Gore
i believe he wants to retire now but hes being forced not to
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
I agree
He hasn’t seemed interested in a long time. He came in out of shape (even by Fedor’s pudgy standards his mid section was soft), his ground game off his back sucked and usually that’s fantastic.
I’m not taking anything away from Silva. He fought a great fight and it was good stoppage IMO. I’m just saying there are several things that have me questioning whether or not his heart is still in it and whether or not he’s being “forced / talked into” fighting.
And just for the record. When he went hard core Orthodox ( 3 or so years ago?) is about the time I started noticing a difference. Which would make sense if he’s morally confused / having a hard time balancing his Faith / Fighting
Just my dumb ass thoughts
Those are actually some great points.
Now that you mention it it makes some kind of sense.
ANd I keep saying this, this was not the Fedor that fought samrt fights against CC or Minotauro…he was throwing with reckless intent. Not like him at all.
The World of Combat Sports is not as good as it was Yesterday, a Legend is done, very sad day
...I bet this is what the Old Timers felt like when Muhammad Ali retired from Pro Boxing
I love you homie.
i wouldnt disagree with that
his management fucked his career for the worst, but i still think he has some good fights left
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"Yeah right. The man who singlehandedly killed ManBearPig is a loser"- Al Gore
I'd replace Brock with Junior.
Brock showed who he was.
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Feb 18, 2011 3:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
after brock gets rid of junior
you 2 will change your mind
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"Yeah right. The man who singlehandedly killed ManBearPig is a loser"- Al Gore
i think its fuckin hilarious that people hate on brock
and say he quit against cain..he got his ass kicked and the reff stepped in. Is that the first time a ref has called off a fight or something? fuckin idiots, he took a beating from an undefeated carwin, and still came back to choke his ass out. Beat down a former HW champ in Mir. Beat down Herring. haters will be haters i guess.
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StrikerDave- Sig bet dodger
"Yeah right. The man who singlehandedly killed ManBearPig is a loser"- Al Gore
um, no he didnt...
and still came back to choke his ass out.
he choked his neck with carwin’s own shoulder/arm and brock’s
i haven’t seen the ass choke but i’m guessing i won’t like it
uhh ok
if u wanna be a douche about it
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"Yeah right. The man who singlehandedly killed ManBearPig is a loser"- Al Gore
e-fight...
Imagine that, a brock argument on a Fedor thread.
lighten up boys, it is Friday.
The least interesting man in the world
this sums up the internets
Imagine that, anbrockargument on aFedorthread.
sorry the g-string has been irritating my clit lately
getting a rash
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"Yeah right. The man who singlehandedly killed ManBearPig is a loser"- Al Gore
you need to go commando
best air cooling system ever
the only problem with that is my pussy discharges so much
that i stain my jeans or pants. i need a solution fellers
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"Yeah right. The man who singlehandedly killed ManBearPig is a loser"- Al Gore
you should post a wet cameltoe pic
im waiting for that ABB
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"Yeah right. The man who singlehandedly killed ManBearPig is a loser"- Al Gore
You got that rite, young blood.
Fedor will avenge those losses. He’s tough, real tough. I matched up with him in a sambo tournament. Won that shit too. Straight played this little piggy went to the market with his feet. Introduced him to my signature move- the Icelandic butternut toe lock. I’ll teach y’all. Best listen to Larry.
He ain’t gonna beat Cain though. I done taught Cain too much for him to lose to the guy Larry toe tapped. I taught Cain the enchilada grenade smotherer. Y’all will know the move when you see him submit brick with it.
Larry said it. That’s right. Brock fights him next. I offered to teach jds but all he was interested in doing was Playing patty cake on camera with the guy who gonna smother him.
Listen To Larry, youngens. Larry gonna learn you sumthn
Loose Lips Sink Ships. Talk sh*t about me and I'll blast you.
by LarryLooseLips on Feb 18, 2011 3:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i read the first sentance then fucked off
your no danago son
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"Yeah right. The man who singlehandedly killed ManBearPig is a loser"- Al Gore
theres only room for one Danago on this website, asi said in a previous thread
you aint no danago, pal.
"I knew i ‘urt ‘im, when he said argh" – GSP
by Rampagelangford on Feb 18, 2011 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Larry is to trolling what Dane Cook is to stand up comedey
This fight for the fish is a fight to the death!
by doonerthesooner on Feb 18, 2011 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
a complete joke?
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"Yeah right. The man who singlehandedly killed ManBearPig is a loser"- Al Gore
I wanted to make a witty Danago comment.
Beat me too it. Bastards, the lot of ya.
GOOD NIGHT IRENE!!!!
It was always win-lose.
Fedor wins, great for ratings but they have to deal with M-1.
Fedor loses, some star power is lost but no dealing with M-1.
Strikeforce knew what they were getting into when they initially agreed to work with Fedor, so I’m sure they would have chosen to keep Fedor in the tournament as opposed to the latter.
MMA media mogul ???
What are we redefining words here?
Helwani is a very important media person in MMA?
Famous, yeah.
Entertaining, yeah.
Powerful and important? ehhhh . . . I don’t know.
The desired result? ehhh . . . Ok. Sure. Whatever. I’m just waiting to watch the next tournament card on ShowTime!
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
- - - - -
VEe is ANIMated!
famous?
go ask ur local grocery store clerk who he is…just because you know who he is, doesn’t mean he’s famous
mondaymorningblackbelt.com"
I thought I knew MMA until I met Two_Words"
well famous within MMA circles.
Entertaining withing MMA circles . . . as far as interviews goes.
But yeah, I get your point.
I tend to be biased towards strikers . . . exciting strikers.
- - - - -
VEe is ANIMated!
by VeeisAnimated on Feb 18, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
I could go ask my grocery store clerk who Drake or Natalie Portman is
and he wouldnt know.
The World of Combat Sports is not as good as it was Yesterday, a Legend is done, very sad day
...I bet this is what the Old Timers felt like when Muhammad Ali retired from Pro Boxing
I love you homie.
Being that
M-1 & Showtime have signed a broadcast deal, I think they are going to have to deal w/ them for a while one way or another.
@fjbar on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
HA!
I’d like to see Strikeforce want to renegotiate with M-1 now!
"I'm from the Fox News school of media discourse," explained White. "If you tell people your version of the truth enough times, and yell while you do it, eventually they start to believe it. Remember when I saved MMA?"
it's a four fight deal
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
doesn't stop M-1 from renegotiating.
"I'm from the Fox News school of media discourse," explained White. "If you tell people your version of the truth enough times, and yell while you do it, eventually they start to believe it. Remember when I saved MMA?"
thats what i was thinking in my above post..
makes sense..
fucking M1!~
so what if im not the smartest peanut in the turd!~
by stinky~fingers on Feb 18, 2011 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Makes 100% sense. Fedor lost value, no more co-promotion.
I seriously doubt Fedor will fight in SF again, unless M1 agrees to just take the normal salary.
Fedor.
Fedor as a commodity was on the downside
Now Strikeforce has the winner who slayed the great Fedor under contract, not the UFC. They also made M-1 lose their biggest bargaining chip. They can market that fact well and make stars of guys like Overeem, Werdum and Kharitonov in their upcoming heavyweight division. No reason for them to be sad here.
Conspiracy this and conspiracy that
Who gives a shit
enzo-enormous
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alieal hellonni or whatever the hell is name is needs to shut his big f********ing trap
or company presidents wont be so gracious with thier time or bother talking to him anymore and might just wind up shoving that mic down his throat
one of these days hes ganna get folded up like a chair, with that being said i enjoy his interviews occaisionally
'alieal hellonni'...
ariel helwani really isnt hard to spell…
"I knew i ‘urt ‘im, when he said argh" – GSP
by Rampagelangford on Feb 18, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Geno
Did you just write PRIDE fanboys? Only you have the writing prowess to slip that in there.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
makes perfect sense...
Fedors loss in the ring and percieved value definitely puts the pressure on M-1.. totally changes things from a negotiating stand up. M-1 shit on UFC’s rug and a pissed off Dana does seem like the type to hold a grudge so they are definitely boxed in.. wait til the NEXT round of contract talks with a fighter jet ski-ing towards 40 and no time to waste sitting on a shelf… al smiles indeed!
by Fat Daddy Doobs on Feb 18, 2011 3:35 PM EST reply actions
No
There will not be a next round of talk. Fedor only wants 2 or 3 more fights and that’s what he has left on contract. Also, you don’t pay a guy like Fedor big money and hope he loses. The only way SF gets a proper return on their current investment (contract) is if Fedor wins.
Look at it like this. Do you sign a QB to the biggest contract in the NFL and then hope he fails simply so it’ll be easier to resign him once his current contract expires…
eh..
if you sign a hall of fame QB at the end of his career to draw attention to your brand, whether he prevails or flames out its gonna add something to your pot…(remember Montana with that burgundy and gold KC #19?) .predicted and desired result? maybe not exactly, but even the loss generated interest.
by Fat Daddy Doobs on Feb 18, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Not true at all
So if they wanted Fedor to lose on the basis that they don’t like and no longer want to deal with M1 then why did Scott Coker urge Fedor not to retire. Why is Scott Coker already planning out Fedor’s return.
Secondly, why would StrikeForce want their biggest draw out of the tournament!! Everyone knows they wanted a Fedor vs Overeem PPV! Ariel is a great reporter, but this claim is obviously unsubstantiated, I’m sorry.
I don’t think he wants to be associated with jay
by Jimbobb on Feb 18, 2011 8:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Silva was 10 kg heavier in the day of the fight, how can you explain such a tremendous weight gain?
how can the normal human being gain 10 kg in 24 hours?
Its all body weight percentage.
LHW gain 15 or so lbs on fight night, so it is not hard to believe that a 265 lbs mountain of a man can gain 20-25 lbs.
The World of Combat Sports is not as good as it was Yesterday, a Legend is done, very sad day
...I bet this is what the Old Timers felt like when Muhammad Ali retired from Pro Boxing
I love you homie.
silvas a giant... literally.
hes not a normal human.
haha did ABB get banned for the woody and cameltoe pics LMAO
Cum on my face?
StrikerDave- Sig bet dodger
"Yeah right. The man who singlehandedly killed ManBearPig is a loser"- Al Gore
Before and after that fight i thought it was a terrible matchup. And i still do.
I honestly don’t know if there could of been a worst matchup for fedor. So i don’t think strikeforce was handing him a gimme by any means.. So Ariels opinion does not shock me in the least cause i was asking myself about the matchup. It just didnt seem smart if they wanted fedor to win and advance.
SUBSTAIN
Fedor brought them in but he’s not gonna be there forever.
by letstalkmma on Feb 18, 2011 10:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions
im not sayin i know they wanted fedor to lose
But I know strikeforce like any other buisness is lookin to the future. Fedor did bring alot of viewers in, but great things always come to an end, and now strikeforce needs to take the next step with or without fedor. I think they realized that after the werdum loss. But once again i dont know if they wanted fedor to lose or not, thats ariels theory. But something smells fishy.
And one more time. that matchup still makes me shake my head.
would have love werdum for fedor. But It is what is.
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