Greg Jackson: Andrei Arlovski will come back a better fighter and he doesn't have a weak chin
by Geno Mrosko on Feb 17, 2011 12:37 PM EST
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That's how the coach feels (via Sherdog):
"I think he's going to come back a better fighter. ... He got hit really hard by ‘Bigfoot' Silva as well. He was taking some hard shots and was able to weather that storm. He lost the decision of course, but still, he took some shots and was able to hang in there. It's just these guys that he's fighting, if you make one mistake with any of them, you're going to get eaten. I'm really identifying the mistake. It went a little deeper than I thought it did. Identifying that mistake and changing what we do there is going to be a big, important factor. I don't think he has a weak chin. I think he's fighting in a heavyweight division where these guys would knock down a house if they hit it."
Although many fans believe it's time to hang 'em up, trainer to the stars Greg Jackson isn't ready to give up on Andrei Arlovski just yet. In fact, he believes he may have isolated the mistakes the Belarusian has been making; mistakes that will get you "eaten" by the top heavyweights he's been in the cage fighting. Coach Jackson also doesn't believe brutal knockout losses to Fedor Emelianenko, Brett Rogers and Sergei Kharitonov is an indicator of a weak chin. It's simply an example of the sledgehammers for hands those three possess. Anyone disagree? Has "The Pitbull" lost his bite? Or is it just the high level of competition?
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He doesn't have a weak chin?
what what what
With a now rejuvenated BJ Penn he adds to his already stacked talents by bringing in the Ledgend Matt Hugheeesssss. This can't be good news for Mr Fitch........
Greg is just such an optimist...it's hard to deter the man.
AA’s chin is such glass that you can see right through it. People like to make that “anyone who gets hit by a HW like that goes down” but with AA 7 out of his 9 losses are KOs. That pitter patter boxing matches he had with big poopy and bigfoot are the only ones where he didnt get KO’d. But if guys get after him with some decent chasing combos, it aint hard to flash him out. He’s like a HW goulet. He’s got some very decent game but he will always be held back by that chin. Retirement now though.
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Feb 17, 2011 1:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Count me in.....
as one of the people that thinks Arlovski’s chin is not just glass, but brittle glass, and I think he’s beyond done……BUT………If Jackson thinks he can do something with the guy, i’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for another fight. IMO, Jackson’s probably the best guy to have in your corner in the entire MMA world.
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
think he’s fighting in a heavyweight division where these guys would knock down a house if they hit it."
maybe true but if AA’s chin is a house it’s built of straw
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
don't get me wrong....
it’s not like i’m gonna run up to the sports book and mortgage the house on AA for the win!! I will however, be interested in seeing if there really is something for Jackson to fix. I just can’t believe this guy was actually the UFC HW champ at one time……goes to show how far the sport has come in such a short time.
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
When AA was champ...
HW striking in the UFC was nothing like what it is now. AA’s striking was on a different level. People were totally afraid of him at the time, b/c he was fast, hit hard, and showed he could sub you on the ground with his sambo. Once ppl stopped being afraid of AA they realized all it takes is one shot and down goes frazier. AA is one of my all time fav’s, but its time to hang em up. Its a downhill slide one you start going out that easily. It just gets easier and easier.
"Generally speaking, the Way of the warrior is resolute acceptance of death" - Miyamoto Musashi
by ShowMeYourJits on Feb 17, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
and look at Sylvia,NOG,CC,Coleman, Rizzo ...etc
Some of the greatest ever and the biggest thing is they didn’t evolve with todays up and coming fighters were guys like Silva and Fedor were ahead of the curve years ago I think we are seeing the evolustion of fighters catch up to these greats? AA and Sylvia on the other hand are guys that may have got worse but I thinks it more the talent and type of athletes they are facing are passing them buy. with AA’s chin …and it is suspect he should be adapting a ground game so when he’s in trouble he can take the fight there or if he faces someone like Rogers who has no ground game background instead of giving him a striking chance take the fight there?
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
agreed.......
being well-rounded is obviously to key to being successful in the current MMA world……..look at all the guys that hold belts in the UFC……all of them are extremely well rounded. The current scoring system really demands that fighters be solid on the feet or on the ground. Another thing……aside from being well-rounded, you look at all the guys that are relevant in the UFC, and they are all ATHLETES, with a few exceptions of course (Big Country!!)
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
And then again you look at BC he is well rounded
And when he faced AA got the better of AA the first round on the ground but AA was able to tag him in the second. I think any HW that gets tagged in the right spot can be rattled but it’s clear AA has an opening in his stand up that these guys are seeing and it seems that AA is being hit when throwing strikes more than anything were when he tagged BC he got BC with a counter of his own.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
to arlovskis credit, he took some HUGE uppercuts before he was even stunned by sergie..
arlovski showed he can still take a few bombs to the chin.. it’s the repeated jaw-tapping that gets him later on in fights..
so what if im not the smartest peanut in the turd!~
by stinky~fingers on Feb 17, 2011 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
And thats what I mean more than anything he leaving himself exposed
I gather his opponents have his timing down because he is a predictable striker?
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
he got stuck on the ground and took sergei's whole weight behind that punch, his head had nowhere to go + he didn't see it coming.
just for one sec imagine what would happen in K-1 fights and boxing if someone took shots like that, it’d be over.. He needs to go to Asia or Holland to train real striking and get some mental toughness if he’s gonna continue to take fights at the highest level..
of course you don’t see good striking in the UFC’s HW division, that’s why even Randy had a chance.
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puck, your comment hadn't showed up yet before i posted..
great post!
so what if im not the smartest peanut in the turd!~
by stinky~fingers on Feb 17, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
He is clearly overconfident in his standup ability too and his coaches must be cause if you can’t counter, circle and slip punches properly you are going to lose every single time and you better try to take it down. Look how Sergei just counters him perfectly and from there goes after him, textbook. Good powerful strikes and at the same time good boxing technique.
there is no one in MMA with a more similar story to Chuck Liddell’s, an explosive puncher with good takedown defense who gets overconfident by knocking out grapplers and amateurs in striking for yrs, then all of a sudden faces improved and more powerful talents in striking and becomes defenseless.
I am who i is.
Thats a great comparison Roberto Chuck & AA
For both those guys I think there tactics become very predictable. I was hoping with having Jackson as a trainer AA would take Sergie to the ground to show he can do more than stand and bang. I think the AA that beat Werdum has a very similar approach to the AA that has been getting KTFO lately. In MMA you can’t be too predictable otherwise fighters will find tactics and when those tactics work other fighters will use similar tactics.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
yup, if he was the best striker in the world he could stand in every fight but he's not.
you take down Sergei and you keep the fight standing with Werdum. The only reason you wouldn’t is if you consider yourself better and world class aka overconfidence in Andrei’s case.
I am who i is.
And even his striking alone could use a few other tactics
throwing some simple leg kicks in here and there would help his cause.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
He was mixing his combos up nicely in the Sergei fight
This fight for the fish is a fight to the death!
by doonerthesooner on Feb 17, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
yea it was decent up until he ran out of ideas and energy.
got stuck against the fence, no circling and a desperate right hand.
I am who i is.
That simply proves that even the best coaches (Freddie Roach and Greg Jackson) cannot do everything!
Arlovski has made the same mistakes over and over and over again. Watch the Pedro Rizzo fight and all the fights where he get KTFOd. Same mistakes. Heck, even Werdum almost knocked him out had he not use that open palm slaps on Arlovski.
That being said, Andrei should fight lower tiered fighters to get his swagger back. Let’s say Shane del Rosario?
Brandon Vera just suffered a temporary setback. He will come back stronger, fiercer, and faster. I can dream, right?
think you're badly informed on Shane Del Rosario.
the kid is 11-0 and Arlovski is not gonna be the man to beat him. Shane was the first american to become WBC heavyweight muay-thai champion. He’s a very good grappler and has finished all of his fights, 10 in the 1st round and one in the 2nd, the majority of them by TKO.
he is a much higher level martial artist standing than Andrei and has no real weaknesses at all.
I am who i is.
Glad u mentioned that STinky
Arlovski did take an accumulation of shots on the button before he was knocked down and the shot that KO’d him was on the ground and hit the mark.
Arlovski’s hand are low, he’s not working on protecting himself in the clinch or even trying a single takedown… he’s been boxing way to much and he’s fighting like it’s a sparing session with 16oz boxing gloves.. he’s allowing himself to get hit way to much
"Gold medals aren't really made of gold.
They're made of sweat, determination,
and a hard-to-find alloy called guts"
i remember thinking after the first time he got cracked with an uppercut, that he wouldn't be able to take another HUGE shot like that...
and he took at least 3-4 more.. And Sergie is a bad mofo who packs crazy power..
so what if im not the smartest peanut in the turd!~
by stinky~fingers on Feb 17, 2011 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
He doesn't have a weak chin.
I think it’s more a mental thing. He doubts himself and that’s why he keeps loosing. Kharitonov can knock anybody out., man. So can Fedor, Rogers and probably even Tim Silvia if you let him.
Sergei is really starting to look old
by TheBiggertheyare... on Feb 17, 2011 1:15 PM EST reply actions
Still gonna root for him.
He has all the tools. Just needs to fix habits that he has.
Twitter trains Jon Jones between fights.
and fix that chin
maybe a swat helmet would help. Ill still pull for him aswell though
With a now rejuvenated BJ Penn he adds to his already stacked talents by bringing in the Ledgend Matt Hugheeesssss. This can't be good news for Mr Fitch........
You can't fix a chin.
And it would be more of a help to make the other fighters hit less hard which also can’t happen. Maybe he should try wrestling and working GnP
Twitter trains Jon Jones between fights.
the only chance for the AA is
With a now rejuvenated BJ Penn he adds to his already stacked talents by bringing in the Ledgend Matt Hugheeesssss. This can't be good news for Mr Fitch........
U can fix a chin
Work on your leg and neck strength, y r u mma guys so uneducated when it come to combat sports?
by antone04 on Feb 17, 2011 6:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You must not know about fighting...
Sorry about being rude, I just disagreed with your statement
Also...
I dont think he has a weak chin, he just doesnt have a good boxing coach, he has terrible boxing, he throws punches with his hands down, no head movement, terrible footwork. Anyone who gets hit with their hands down by a heavyweight is gonna feel the effects, no matter how good/bad the chin is
I don't know if it's his chin either his defence is awful though.
He gets hit and drops his hands I don’t know why but that’s what he does.
He’s been knocked out by
Rodriguez
Rizzo
Sylvia
Fedor
Rogers
and Sergei
The crazy guy too so i guess I’ll count him.
Between them they have knocked out 72 different fighters just saying
This fight for the fish is a fight to the death!
by doonerthesooner on Feb 17, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
That an impressive number.
I agree his striking defense is awful.
The World of Combat Sports is not as good as it was Yesterday, a Legend is done, very sad day
...I bet this is what the Old Timers felt like when Muhammad Ali retired from Pro Boxing
I love you homie.
De-fence. Ha I'm an idiot
He looked real good in the Sergei fight for a while then he started trapping himself and he was dead wrong when he wanted to dirty box with Sergei cause after he ate a few of those uppercuts from the single collar his hands dropped and it was just a matter of time.
This fight for the fish is a fight to the death!
by doonerthesooner on Feb 17, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
or maybe not stand with his back up against the cage with his hands down.. that is a start, avoid circling into the guys power yup that helps, now about that flyine knee yeah get rid of that mhm yup, lets mix up some takedowns and use that sambo he knows yeah i think that could help
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by randy murders on Feb 17, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
Greg Jackson has joined M-1?
I am the WAMMA Light Heavyweight Champion
Um . . . what?
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
by TheGreg on Feb 17, 2011 2:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
As in....
Psychic technology from the stands were giving Andrei his glass chin, which is entirely possible……..
"Generally speaking, the Way of the warrior is resolute acceptance of death" - Miyamoto Musashi
by ShowMeYourJits on Feb 17, 2011 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Ah I see, that's pretty good actually.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
maybe arlovski should try going light heavy weight ..
just a thought .. he has the movement and quick hands to make it over there.
Still wont resolve his main deficiency aka the chin.
He may be a fast HW but LHWs will be faster and they are generally more skilled than HWs.
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Feb 17, 2011 1:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's surprising..
That Jackson isn’t telling AA to retire. A couple of more KO’s like the ones he’s been getting can permanently damage him for life.
Build up the guy you just beat, good strategy.
Arlofski is done. After 4 in a row the whole “He is gonna come back a better fighter” thing doesn’t work yet.
Shit, I am the biggest Fedor fan, and I even have mixed feelings about him fighting again, and he only lost 2 in a row.
Fedor.
No more nut hugging for you.
but I do hope Fedor fights again to be honest, Maybe against Barnett to settle what we could have seen?
Twitter trains Jon Jones between fights.
sorry about your boy Free........
I was still holding out a little hope that your boy would make it to the UFC……….that really seems off the radar for now, it’ll be too watered down.
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
Goodbye Arlovski
Try boxing?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
So you want him to go over to a sport where he will only be hit in his body and head?
I would like for him to retire. He has the most brutal KO losses out of anyone in MMA.
The World of Combat Sports is not as good as it was Yesterday, a Legend is done, very sad day
...I bet this is what the Old Timers felt like when Muhammad Ali retired from Pro Boxing
I love you homie.
Definitely. Maybe Arlovski has more of them, but Lindland’s are worse.
"Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
Fan of: Cole Miller, Dentist Neer, Alan Belcher, Bones Jones, Frank Mir
Nothing like the sight of his knees twitching after Vitor sparked him.
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Feb 17, 2011 2:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thought he was dead.
For real.
"Generally speaking, the Way of the warrior is resolute acceptance of death" - Miyamoto Musashi
by ShowMeYourJits on Feb 17, 2011 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
it was funny how he turned over to pull guard after the first shot and bam!!
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
sometimes instincts and all that muscle memory leads you wrong.
He did everything he was supposed to correct which funnily got him KO’d worse.
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Feb 17, 2011 4:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Bigger gloves
Less chance his chin will interfere with his fighting.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
boxing would be worse
When that’s a sport where its all punches and you never get a guy that trains more ground etc cause he has no use for it. Arlvoski needs to get these dudes to the ground and keep his head further then hair’s length from the fence when he’s standing. Ppl just bounce that tetherball off the fence and hit er as she comes back.
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by daniel worby on Feb 17, 2011 1:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Arlovski has no ground game
All he has is his striking, and the bigger gloves and more hugging/stalling allowed boxing seems that it would suit him better.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
No ground game?
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Anybody in this sport without a loss hasnt fought the right guy yet - Keith Jardine
by AintNoSunshine on Feb 17, 2011 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Oh my bad
He is a master of submissions and ground defense, the likes if which MMA has never seen before. He just chooses not to show it, and pretends to be lost when on the ground to confuse his opponents.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
he's won a UFC heavyweight title with a leg lock
Sure, against Timmy, but still.
He does choose not to use it, which makes him incredibly frustrating. Why is GSP so good? Because you don’t know where he’s going to beat you – on the ground or on the feet. he can do either.
lol, poor myth buster
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by daniel worby on Feb 17, 2011 1:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thats what we all would like to believe Greg.
The World of Combat Sports is not as good as it was Yesterday, a Legend is done, very sad day
...I bet this is what the Old Timers felt like when Muhammad Ali retired from Pro Boxing
I love you homie.
I will probably get lynched for this but I Think AA need to find Rampage and drill boxing defense
Rampage has IMO the best boxing defense. AA drops his hand waaaaaaaay to much and you cant do that fighting big powerful HW’s. I like AA and hope he does come back..WAR PITBULLLLLLLL!!!!
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Not lynched . . .
but you need to realise that Andrei is a small heavyweight and they guys throwing the punchers have arms the size of Rampage’s legs. Greg Jackson is right about one thing – the power these guys through. It is insane. Anyone would fall with these guys hitting you. Sergei would murder Rampage.
Lol
Andrei is not small, he has a huge frame. 6’4 240 lbs. Thats what JDS is..
But i do agree that he needs better boxing defense. I mean he trained with Freddie Roach,! how in the hell is it that he doesn’t even seem to apply the basics of boxing def when he is fighting?
The World of Combat Sports is not as good as it was Yesterday, a Legend is done, very sad day
...I bet this is what the Old Timers felt like when Muhammad Ali retired from Pro Boxing
I love you homie.
I bet he's a monster in the gym he just can't put it together in a fight.
Maybe he needs one of those sports psychiatrists like GSP.
This fight for the fish is a fight to the death!
by doonerthesooner on Feb 17, 2011 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
With a sparring helmet on...
He probably dominates.
"Generally speaking, the Way of the warrior is resolute acceptance of death" - Miyamoto Musashi
by ShowMeYourJits on Feb 17, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
He came out looking great puting combos together she he even went all Spider and finished one off with a lead head kick
Then he got tagged and just kept running into the cage. Also that reminds me of a gripe I have with Strikeforce, their cage is retarded.
This fight for the fish is a fight to the death!
by doonerthesooner on Feb 17, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
dooner thats a good point...he needs to throw his brick in the river...lol
If you dont love the Pittsburgh Steelers then kiss my ass..I like bacon...and Rashad Evans is a pussy...
#1 Quinton Rampage the Dragon Slayer Jackson fan for LIFE..FTW!!!
A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his"
...
He is small Choro . . .
He has a big from but he has no density on his frame . . . have a look at the thickness is the photo . . . look at this last opponents . . . .
He Is 100% Right but . . .
I think Greg Jackson is so positive so Andrei fights again so he gets his % cut of his fight salary . . sorry had to say it!
0-4 – his technique has gone to shit since he tried to be a boxer against Fedor. It was actually embarrassing to see Andrei back himself into the cage and not try one take down. He looked like a guy who works out in the gym to get a beach body, not a fighter training to KO fighters. Anyway, I hate bagging The Pitbull but I think he only has one option – DROP DOWN TO 205ibs. It is the only way he will get another fight.
Drop down to 205 and get KO'd by Calvancante & Gegard & possibly Kyle & Mo?
That would be retarded on his part.
If you dont like drugs then dont do them.....give them to me!
by Khaos_Warrior on Feb 17, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
Not at all . . .
He would wreck all of those you just mentioned . . . if he can manage his weight cut he could walk around at 230 . . . drop the weight for the fight like the rest of the 205er’s . . .
AA should retire the people around him are nothing more then leeches who could care less for his health
As i said before if he has the money to do so then he should really stop, hes constantly doing the same mistakes over and over yet no one is correcting it, bunch of cheerleaders where he trains i bet.
If you dont like drugs then dont do them.....give them to me!
What Arlovski needs,
is to fix the MONUMENTAL holes in his game (keeping his hands up, his chin tucked, and not backing up when pressured) and get a win streak going against lesser competition/cans in order to build up some confidence and momentum.
The dude is ridiculously athletic for a HW and is in awesome shape, and he is still pretty young, so I see no need for him to retire.
That said… I’m biased :S
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Quarry : Serra : Wandy : Pulver : Alvarez
A lot of us are AA fans
Which is why we don’t want to see him turn into a walking mumble. He’s getting ko’d too easily.
"Generally speaking, the Way of the warrior is resolute acceptance of death" - Miyamoto Musashi
by ShowMeYourJits on Feb 17, 2011 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
GREG JACKSON
will teach AA his camo biggest technique..
take people down and lay on them for the entire fight..
by Jayme Pereira Nunes on Feb 17, 2011 4:51 PM EST reply actions
Excellent point
Jon Jones, Rashad Evans, Kenny Florian, Shane Carwin, Brenden Schaub – all Jackson camp lay n prayers.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Slight problem with that....
AA is getting sparked out with ease. That tends to imply that someone has a weak chin. AA does have good boxing technique… as long as he’s on the offensive. The second someone tags him though, he drops his hands and backs up. While that may have worked well way back with HWs that weren’t the best strikers around, it doesn’t work well against guys who will chase him down such as Sergei, Rogers, Rizzo, etc. Until he fixes that, AA is essentially an easy win for anyone willing to pressure him during a fight. Even if he’s allowed back as an alternate for SF’s grand prix, I could honestly see every HW in the tourney (including the ones who have already beaten him) beating him by KO. Sad to say, but he really should hang the gloves up.
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