U mad? Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker responds to Dana White's Twitter blitzkrieg following 'Fedor vs Silva'
by Jesse Holland on Feb 15, 2011 12:13 PM EST
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And the king of San Jose (via MMA Hour) is happy to have picked up another viewer for his Feb. 12 Showtime broadcast:
"At least the guy's watching, right? He's watching Strikeforce. As long as he wants to keep watching Strikeforce that's a good thing. I respect Dana and what he's done. Their success is great and our success is great, too."
Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker won't join the UFC President's mud-slinging contest despite suffering a mighty blow to his promotion's 2011 heavyweight grand prix tournament after famed International fighting sensation Fedor Emelianenko got turned inside out by "Bigfoot" Silva in the main event of their East Rutherford card last Saturday night (Feb. 12). White blasted fans of "The Last Emperor" along with the gang at M-1 Global and beyond. But is Coker taking the high road because that's how he conducts his business? Or because he knows to some extent that Dana is right? What side are you on Maniacs? See a portion of White's Twitter rant after the jump.
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perfect response Mr. Coker
Funny and true.
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
dana probably does watch the free stuff on TV
think coker buys the UFC ppvs? lol be funny if he did
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
I bet he watches them
Anybody in this sport without a loss hasnt fought the right guy yet - Keith Jardine
by AintNoSunshine on Feb 15, 2011 12:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
he definately watches them!
its funny picturing Coker in front of his TV pressing “order” on his remote
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
GSP was at the Strikeforce show. No sense in having a brand war. Enjoy the show. Dana, coker, guys like GSP and vitor clearly just love the sport. They all watch other stuff. I’m sure Dana watches hdnet for sengoku and k1 when he gets a chance. Or I’m sure he will look up fights if he hears their good. And I guarantee he will watch guys who used to be in the ufc. Like I am sure he watched arlovski
Anybody in this sport without a loss hasnt fought the right guy yet - Keith Jardine
by AintNoSunshine on Feb 15, 2011 12:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
absolutely....
not just for love of the sport, but also to see what the competition is doing.
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
what a retarded conversation...its guys like Dana and Cokers JOBS to watch other mma shows!
dana can hate all he wants but over 1million people tuned in to watch the FEDOR fight!!!
where did the numbers get released?
I haven’t seen them….
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
dana can hate all he wants but over 1million people tuned in to watch the FEDORfight!!!lose !!!!
Sorry dude. It’s been years. Had to.
Steven Seagal is P4P the best MMA trainer. I’m now going to wear a mask to hide my shame because I was stupid enough to pick Vitor against the greatest fighter of all time
by Bigger Zino on Feb 15, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
dana can hate all he wants but over 1million people tuned in to watch the FEDORfight!!! lose !!!! fight against a taller heavier and dangerous opponent. Come on man, Fedor still deserves mad props. . . he just needs to fight at LHW.
Striker Dave is a coward and is hereby banished from the land until he make good on his sig bet with Sittingbull.
One weight at a time. . .
He could be the first to be a world champion in 3 different weight classes for sure though!
Striker Dave is a coward and is hereby banished from the land until he make good on his sig bet with Sittingbull.
Free in foreign countries.
Doesn’t earn Coker a dime.
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
free on streaming websites
also doesnt make him any cash lol
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
well im in italy, and shit wasnt free at all!
the official numbers are:
over 700,000 viewers on average for the broadcast, peaking with the main event that did i think it was a little under 1.1 million
Bigger Zino….its cool man…you wanna bash the greatest and classiest fighter of all time, in his decline and old age, then go for it!
Props to bigfoot, sergie and werdume….I been supporting them bigtime on this site since around 2007 and I used to get flamed for it, now everyone is on there nuts! i love it!
You had to pay for that event this weekend?
And all SF events? How much?
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
age in mma isnt determined by a certain number you fool-.---its more about wear and tear....im sick of having to school ignorant people on here!
Nog isnt old at all in terms of age….but factor in wear and tear, and my boy is ancient!
get a clue, instead of having to make me verbally wreck you!.. lol its all love!
by John G. on Feb 15, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How serious are you man? You put up a lot of posts that make you seem like you love you some you. No one wants to hear about “I told you so” or “I was the first”. Comments like that suck, unless you are just having fun, in which case- you are pretty much just like Danny boy.
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
John G is one of the first posters
Which is why you may not get his comments
Steven Seagal is P4P the best MMA trainer. I’m now going to wear a mask to hide my shame because I was stupid enough to pick Vitor against the greatest fighter of all time
by Bigger Zino on Feb 15, 2011 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
I know who he is
I have talked with him before. Just because you were here in the old days doesn’t make 3rd person comments about yourself cool. Just asking how serious he is.
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
so the ones without the lol
indicate that you aren’t joking. Got it.
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
But he may end a post with ‘ramalama dingdong’ which means he’s super-joking.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
LMAO VM, that made me laugh!!!
Deuce, John always does that shit and thinks he’s God! Fucking annoying if you ask me!
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
and
I don’t understand what this comment is supposed to mean. How does him being a long time poster equate to me not getting his comments?
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
familiarity with response behaviour.
Steven Seagal is P4P the best MMA trainer. I’m now going to wear a mask to hide my shame because I was stupid enough to pick Vitor against the greatest fighter of all time
ie Johnny boy is FOCKING looney (;
(I stand at 100 in my lone man wolf pack pool)
The bitterest tears shed over graves are for words left unsaid and deeds left undone.
by *Californication* on Feb 15, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
check my resume fool....or in the infamous words of Cassidy: "Nigga aks about me, nigga aks about me"! lol
dont be mad at me, cause I predicted the rise of all your favorite fighters back when they were nobodies! lol
Don't forget the predictions you made on all the fighters that made it nowehere
You should be fair in your self-ball-sucking.
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
what fighters were that? im sure there are a few, but when I go out on a limb, I am pretty sure I have been more right then wrong!
alves
jacare
big foot
werdum
sergie
You forgot Semtex
"AS’ skill levels are slightly higher than GSP’s"
"AS is definitely number one. He doesn’t lose and has shown that he will find a way to sub the best wrestlers."
Jay and I never expected to see him admit this.
nope, still just you.
and me when he fights Diaz. ;)
Fedor is a once in a generation fighter and should be celebrated for his glorious career, not condemned and ridiculed for losing the one fight we will all lose...the fight with Father Time.
have to appreciate semtex one of the most high level martial artists when it comes to striking.
competing in mma. he handed out 2 serious beatings before being held down and not hurt for a second by a wrestler.
I am who i is.
I guess you have to respect Mark Hunt too?
This is MMA. Guys that are one dimensional get no respect.
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
back when he was competing seriously, yes. he was a test standing for anyone in the world.
I am who i is.
I don't respect MMA fighters for one skill
I like them when they are well rounded. You know, in case someone takes them to the ground and their lifetime of boxing training becomes useless to them.
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
so u don't respect brock then?
cause there is just noway he subs a good bjj guy or outstrikes a good striker. you can win on being one-dimensional for sure.
I am who i is.
His one skill will win a LOT of MMA fights that stand up fighters can't win.
But I like Brock because of his personality. Not because of his skills.
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
solid point
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
Just you
And he’s been proven as a mid level WW. Not too good on that prediction.
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
1 fight away from a UFC title shot, says he is a pretty damn good fighter!
one of the best stand ups in the welterweight division
One dimensional
Would have been beaten EASILY by 10-15 WW in the UFC.
(Or anyone that can spell double leg)
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
Wasn't...
Mike Quick Swick one title shot away, before he pulled out of the fight from Kampman. So lets not say being one title shot away in makes you really great fighter.
But Paul is a really good fighter. He’s a B fighter.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
exactly.
and Hardy was considered a #1 contender so there you go.
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
Hardy is a solid fighter
with a lot of guts. But he should have never been fighting for the strap.
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
very one dimensional
and we know what to expect from him, to stand and bang
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
remember these words:
the evolution of Hardy is far from done….he will elevate his game tremendously!
he is a very hard worker and smart guy who is driven to become good!
hardy will end up being a really good fighter when its all said and done
i dont doubt that for a second
i think getting knocked out will really humble the guy
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
I don't see it.
He’ll never stop good wrestlers from holding him down. Too late to learn wrestling (WW is wrestlers haven).
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
unlike most brits....he trains in america to improve that!
jury is still out on him….we shall see
I just think he's not going to close that gap in time.
He’ll never be good enough to stop a Fitch TD. Fitch will always have 25 years experience on him.
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
yeah, thats true....but he could certainly take fitchs head off before fitch gets the takedown!
on paper, of course you got to give fitch the edge tho!
That's what I thought
Alves would do to him, but that blanket is very skiiled in the TD department.
by jewjiffshoes on Feb 15, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
im out boys! had fun rapping wit you guys today!
stop the bashing, and childish comments and keep the great mma convos going!
idk if you could take fitches head off with a mac truck
guy has a granite chin, for when GSP rocked him
Loyality before Reality
gsp was hitting him in the eyes....never really touched his chin, and gsp hasnt Koed anyone with 1 punch ever!
koed hughes with a kick, and took about 30 punches to Ko heiron!
well the point was, I doubt daley could take his head off before fitch put him on his back
think Randy v Toney
Loyality before Reality
On paper giving Fitch the edge? No.
BJ better take down defense.
World class BJJ top position and a high work rate from the bottom.
Saying he’ll never be good enough to stop Fitch’s take downs are crazy. Wasn’t every critc saying that when he fought Deigo?
Oh is take downs and wrestling is going to cancel out Penn’s BJJ. And it didn’t happen.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
I can;t remember anyone saying that
I remember people saying Diego’s wrestling wans’t going to be good enough.
by jewjiffshoes on Feb 15, 2011 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
UA
We are talking about Dan Hardy and Fitch.
Not sure why you brought BJ into this. ;p
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
I just noticed that when i sent the post my bad lol.
I meant talk about Hardy but some how BJ popped into my head mysteriously when I saw Fitch. lol
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
I liked him until the suckerpunch incident
Still a fun guy to watch compete.
"AS’ skill levels are slightly higher than GSP’s"
"AS is definitely number one. He doesn’t lose and has shown that he will find a way to sub the best wrestlers."
Jay and I never expected to see him admit this.
I hate Kos but you can't do things like that
I have no sympathy or respect for a suckerpuncher.
"AS’ skill levels are slightly higher than GSP’s"
"AS is definitely number one. He doesn’t lose and has shown that he will find a way to sub the best wrestlers."
Jay and I never expected to see him admit this.
Its a combat sport
I accept that it will happen. Should we hold Football and Hockey to a higher standard.
He was wrong, deserved a penalty but lets move on. Moment of weakness, even Daley isn’t proud of it – I would hope.
Steven Seagal is P4P the best MMA trainer. I’m now going to wear a mask to hide my shame because I was stupid enough to pick Vitor against the greatest fighter of all time
True
but not everyone is as composed as you are. I bet Kos was talking about his momma.
by jewjiffshoes on Feb 15, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
If you can't keep your composure in a fight then you're never going to get anywhere, you can't lose your cool if you're going to ever be a champion
And MMAsts have to be held to a higher standard than footballers or hockey players because unlike those sports MMA is not mainstream and is still banned in many countries and states. It may not be fair but all MMAsts have to be more careful about how they behave than other sportsmen because the media and the public expect them to be a bunch of thugs, so when someone proves them to be right like Daley did then it further damages the reputation of the sport.
"AS’ skill levels are slightly higher than GSP’s"
"AS is definitely number one. He doesn’t lose and has shown that he will find a way to sub the best wrestlers."
Jay and I never expected to see him admit this.
Yes, but at that moment
Daley didn’t care as he should have.
by jewjiffshoes on Feb 15, 2011 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
well said, David.
Steven Seagal is P4P the best MMA trainer. I’m now going to wear a mask to hide my shame because I was stupid enough to pick Vitor against the greatest fighter of all time
Truth, David.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth."
-Stephen King
Even though I say horrible stuff here...
you’re definetly right David.
The taste of blood......beautiful.
by Leaking Wound on Feb 15, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Bisping....
Nog….
I’m sure you’ll think of a few with these subtle prods.
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
hahahaha NOg is one of the biggest legends in the history of the sport..
Bisping is a middleweight who has fought for 4 years in the UFC and has only lost to former UFC LHW champions….will Bisping win the title, doubtful, but he is a tough fight for just about anyone he will ever face!
You thought he looked good against Tim
You said he’d be champion of the UFC because he will crush guys like Mir.
You said Bisping is the next best thing. How did that pan out?
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
he looked fantastic against TIM!!!
That was Vintage NOG!!! thats how he became a legend…getting beatdown until finding a way to win the fight….thats what has always made him so special!
But he was slower than Tim
And Tim almost took his head off twice.
You think that is looking good?
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
NOG has an entire resume of wins, using that same exact fighting style...jay I know you man....I always thought you were better then this
its not your day my friend…log off this site, get some rest, and come back with a clearer head….
LOL
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
LOL
I’m not even disagreeing with that. I’m saying that Nog was punching at half the speed of Timmmy. Regardless of who wins or loses that fight, being half the speed of Tim is a bad stat to have for future fights.
I liked that last paragraph though.
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
I would agree with this statement
the HW division has always been weak in the UFC.
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
jays right
winning a fight doesnt equate to looking good…mir beat crocop and looked like dogshit doing it
UFC Heavyweight Champ at years end...: Brock Lesnar
UFC Light Heavyweight Champ at years end...: Jon Jones
your argument for Bis is lame
damn i sick of these old guys thinking they know mma. LOL
bis is shit and he has lost to every good fighter he faced and beat the crap ones
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
Woo...
Bisping isn’t shit.
He’s one of the top MW in all of MMA.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Who are your 10 MW better than Bisping?
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
off the top of my head:
Silva
Belfort
Franklin
Maia
Wandy
Hendo
Jacare
Chael
Marquart
Okami
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
you'll say Franklin and Hendo arent MW
but i included Hendoc cause biz got…well you know…by Hendo at MW
and i think Franklin should drop back to MW
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
Mr. Nate not so great is not better than Bisping, and neither is Okami. I see him beating Rich as well, easily. He lost a close fight to Wandy but, i’ll still agree w/ you that Wandy is better.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
forgot Santiago
and yeah Okami would destroy Biz
heres on for ya…who has Bis beat in your top 10 for you to say he is top 10?
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
Bisping can't beat Marq, Okami or Rich
You’re messed up.
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
if rich fought like he did against forrest
I could see it.
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
Rich looked awful against Forrest but the size difference was a big factor
I can’t see Bisping being able to outmuscle Franklin and smother him on the ground like Forrest did and he wouldn’t have a big reach advantage either.
"AS’ skill levels are slightly higher than GSP’s"
"AS is definitely number one. He doesn’t lose and has shown that he will find a way to sub the best wrestlers."
Jay and I never expected to see him admit this.
Any fighter can get KO’d bren
I opened my big mouth infront of Two_Words so he pimp-slapped it shut! That’s the last time I challenge his MMA knowledge. Oh yeah, and I like dudes
srry...Bisping does get KO'd
I try to refrain from saying ‘has no chin’ but he has a recent history of going down in fights when he gets hit hard. Rich is capable of doing that to him.
Loyality before Reality
That said, he’s only been knocked out one time, from a right hand which would knock any fighter out.
I opened my big mouth infront of Two_Words so he pimp-slapped it shut! That’s the last time I challenge his MMA knowledge. Oh yeah, and I like dudes
Jake Shields disagrees
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
He wouldn't want to take it again
lol, some refs would have finished that fight
I opened my big mouth infront of Two_Words so he pimp-slapped it shut! That’s the last time I challenge his MMA knowledge. Oh yeah, and I like dudes
You both make a very good point.
I’m impressed with Danago today.
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
Yes he can...
I see him easily out wreslting Marq like he did against Denis Kang. I can see him out decisioning Okami by working him in the standup all fight long. I also see him out boxing Rich as well.
Just look at the skills he has. He fought Rash and he had a hard time keeping him down. It was a really close fight and it was split between many viewers on who they thought actually won.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
Mark Epstein x 2
:-O
Look at your comment. Back to mine. Back to yours NOW BACK TO MINE. Sadly, it isn't mine. But if you stopped trolling and started posting legitimate stuff it could LOOK like mine. Look down, back up, where are you? You're scrolling through comments, finding the ones that your comment could look like. Back at mine, what is it? It's a highly effective counter-troll. Look again, MY COMMENT IS NOW DIAMONDS.
Anything is possible when you think before you comment or post.
I'm on a computer.
Denis Kang, who he dominated.
Akiyama who was really close to title shot. He worked Dan Miller in all fight long in the standup. Didn’t he also beat Leben who before his last loss was near title contention.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
none of those guys are even close to a top 10 mw ranking
and Kang won Rd. 1 and gassed
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
What Akiyama was considered top 10 before his loss to Leben.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
if I was judging Sexy's first fight in the UFC
he would now be 0-3 in the UFC.
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
Yeah but your not.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
and then he fought biz
coming off a loss…? and he pretty well lost to belcher as well
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
Maia also worked Miller in the stand up
and Maia is a BJJ guy all the way
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
Oh yeah didn’t he beat Matt Hamill as well. I mean come on. If he’s not in your top 10 your lying to yourself buddy.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
HAHAHA HE BEAT MATT HAMILL
now i know you’re messed up
i just showed you my top 10, which is a list i compiled in 10 seconds, without even giving any thought to fighters outside the ufc.
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
You did when you said Santiago. All the fighters i mentioned he fought in the UFC. So what’s your point?
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
i also said Jacare
my point was that everyone know that Hammil got robbed worse than anyone in the history of MMA
another point was i was able to name 11 mw’s in 10 seconds who are better than biz
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
Don't forget the asian Kid from TUF
he got robbed worse in the garcia fight.
Pham is his name?
by jewjiffshoes on Feb 15, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Except Bis was getting beat by Kang
And only beat Kang because he gassed after the first (as usual).
Kang isn’t even a wrestler, outwrestling him doesn’t mean he could do it to Marq (who has much better GG than Kang).
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
Really..
if Rash couldn’t keep him down, then who’s to say Marq will keep him their?
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Doesn't have to keep him down.
He can outstrike him.
Just because Bis is faster on the feet doesn’t mean he would win in the standup. I personally would give one shot from Marq the same points as 10 from Bis. Pitter-Patter is not a winning strategy to me.
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
Your kiding me if...
you think Nate can out strike Bis. Bis has better foot work and knows how to judge distance better than Nate. Really but that one shot has to connect. My boy Nick Diaz isn’t gonna knock you out w/ one, but he’s definitely will put a beating on you.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
Nate has looked shit as of late, bisping would beat him on the feet
I opened my big mouth infront of Two_Words so he pimp-slapped it shut! That’s the last time I challenge his MMA knowledge. Oh yeah, and I like dudes
Bisping MIGHT be able to survive the three rounds and get the judges decision
But Marq has a lot more ways to win that fight,
Bis could win with running away and jabbing, but I don’t like his chances.
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
Hahaha
Nate has a lot more ways to win, really. How?
Is going to Sub or is he going to wrestle him down and rain GNP. I just don’t see it.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
He's better at.
Power in his punches.
Submissions.
Wrestling.
Mixing up grappling with striking.
Bisping is ONLY faster on his feet. He has no power.
Marq could win by sub, KO or decision. Bisping can ONLY win by decision. Therefore Marq has more ways to win this fight.
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
Bisping tkd is good enough to keep on the feet. Bisping mixes it up more with the strikes and is faster. Nate has power, his wrestling isn’t enough and Bisping is also pretty good on the ground.
I opened my big mouth infront of Two_Words so he pimp-slapped it shut! That’s the last time I challenge his MMA knowledge. Oh yeah, and I like dudes
I respect the fact that you are making actual posts and not trying to annoy me.
But I disagree on your assessment.
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i have to agree with dan nate could knock bis out
but i cant see him keeping bis down or subbing him and marq will choke anyway!
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
What?
Better
Submissions not at all
Wrestling i give you that. But not better overall grappling.
Yeah he has one shot knock POWER but you have to land first. Having power does not equate being better in the standup. Come on you should know better than this. SMH.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Not better subs?
Send Bisping to Pancrase. See how he makes out.
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Really...
may we all remember what Chael did to Nate. And before that fight didn’t Nate recieve his black belt from Greg Jackson. haha.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
yeah remember that guy...
fuck whats his name…Anderson Silva maybe?
what did chael do to him?
If its a 3 rd fight, like against Marquart, i think Chael wins that as well
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
I know what he did to Anderson.
But didn’t Chael get out grappled and slammed on the floor by Maia? I’m no way deminishing what Chael did or his skills but just look at the scenarios. He looked like 2 completely diff fighters fighting against Ander and Maia.
As for Nate, he had many avenues to get back up to his feet. I guess he hadn’t been training w/ Rash to learn how to
wall walk.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
UA
Please don’t try to make an argument for Bisping with what other fighters did to Nate.
Bisping is not Chael (not even close).
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I’m not comparing Chael’s wrestling to Bis.
I’m making a point that Bis has shown really good grappling skills, for not having a background in wrestling. Nate is not gonna win that fight and is no way near being a better fighter than Bis.
So throw out your bogus argument. It’s crazy that one knock out from Hendo makes Bis seem like a chump.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't mention the fight with Hendo
I showed you the skills that Marq has better than Bis.
Yet you still say Bis is more talented. LOL
He has faster feet, that is all. His standup isn’t as good, his GG is lightyears behind Marq. So what is it again that Bis does better than anyone in the top 10?
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Yeah i showed you Marq doesn’t posses those skills being compared to Bis.
His stand up is good, what are you blind?
If Bis stand up is trash than you must think Nate’s is right up their w/ Anderson’s huh?
What has Marq done to be considered better than Bis?
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
Knocked out a ranked Maia
Which is 10 times more than Bisping will ever do with his stand up “skills”.
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Regardless
Maia could fly into Bisping and get punched the same way, and he wouldn’t have even been knocked off balance. That is how weak Mike is.
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that doesnt matter does it?
fedor jumped into a triangle too….doesnt really mean anything
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Really..
then was demoslished by Chael. That factory was thrown completely out of the window when he rapped by Chael in their fight. Their a reason why Marq was passed up to fight Anderson again. Better skills than Bis my ass. LOl, keep believing that.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
biz hasnt beaten anyone dude
when he faces good competition, he loses
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
UA
You are doing it again. Chael beating Marq has what to do with Bis? That is a retarded point to bring up. Seriously.
Chael can beat Bis, so what does Chael beating Marq prove?
That’s like saying….Fitch can’t beat Condit because GSP beat Fitch.
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And there's a reason why Bis has never gotten a title shot.
Because everyone knows he’s a fucking puppet to help sell MMA to England. He’s not a serious contender or he wouldn’t be matched up with Rivera right now.
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If you don't see that Bisping has shitty stand up, I can't help you.
But tell me another good stand up fighter that punches while running backwards everytime. Or punches with their head leaning away from the punches. He has horrible stand up with no power. He can only win due to decision, he can’t stop people with his stand up, that is a sign of bad stand up.
He’s not even finishing guys that aren’t top 20. He has the weakest stand up in all of the UFC.
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disagree stop with all the hate
he couldnt bust a grape i concede but technically and fundamentally he is very sound.
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
Uh
Chuck’s done it plenty of times in his career.
Yeah that’s is only fault in his stand up, which i’ve made clear to many ppl in everyone of his fights. I already know that already. That only happens in one point of the fight where he eat a hugh right hand and has to recover.
Who has Chael even finished in the top 10? And i mean finished not decision win either?
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
but chuck can KO you
biz cant…wow comparing Chucks standup to Biz!
and chuck has also been KOd because of that
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
Im not comparing their stand up.
I was referencing their stand up.
Theirs a difference buddy.
Nates only top finish was Maia. And after that he was dismantled by Chael. He looked like he didn’t even belong in the same division as him.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
Why do you keep talking about Chael?
He’d finish Bisping off before Bisping could even get a shot off. Chael beating Marq means nothing to this conversation.
You are trying to bring as many fighters into this conversation because you haven’t a clue what you are talking about.
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Just stop Jay, b/c you don’t understand what your referencing.
I’m bring up other fighters b/c Newfie3 said Bis isn’t finishing top 20 guys. And my response was Chael would have to be in the same discussion as well.
And your lying to yourself if Chael is finishing off Bis.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
I should stop because I said Chael would knock Bis out?
You should stop because you’re fucking clueless and embarrassing yourself with these nonsense posts. Bisping is a 15-20 MW. That is all he ever will be because he lacks the skills to beat a top 10.
You look like a fool trying to make an argument for that fucking idiot. So YOU stop.
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What top ten guy has Nate Beat besides Maia?
Nate has only fought one striker, and we saw what happened their. He was finished.
15-20 MW your crazy. He’s only lost to Wandy, Dan, and Rash. If that’s not good enough competion to you, then im sorry.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
He's never beaten a ranked fighter
And Marq beat Maia and Jeremy Horn (that’s two top 10’s which is two top 10’s more than Bis will ever beat).
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dont forget the ww Kampmann and the awesome Gouveia
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
Oh and you didn't answer the question about.
Who has Chael finished in the top 10?
B/c if seems to you since Bis isn’t finising guys in the top 20, then neither is Chael.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
At least he's winning fights against top 10's
More than Bisping can ever say. Oh and Marq has finished Palhares, Kampmann, Gouviea, Jeremy Horn….All guys that Bis would LOSE to.
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What??
Bis is decisioning (Unanimously)through all of those guys, and you know it.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
he can’t stop people with his stand up, that is a sign of bad stand up.
Knowing this, I’d love to hear your thought on GSP’s standup
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LOL
hater! shall we post some pics of Kos, Fitch, etc?
Bispings opponents look like they’ve been in a pillow fight when he’s done with them!
Did you even read the quote I was replying too?
I made it so easy this time. I even included the quote in my post.
Was the Kos fight stopped? Fitch?
Ok then.
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VM
GSP HAS stopped people with his standup. And he obviously has power to stop people what with breaking Kos’ face with one jab.
Swing and a miss by you.
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Bisping has stopped more fighters standing than GSP
They each have 23 fights and Bisping has 50% more TKO/KO victories.
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You sure they were standing?
The guy didn’t just get bored and fall asleep?
I bet GSP could stop Bisping if they ever fought at MW (won’t happen because GSP will be fighting better fighters than Bis if he moves up).
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stop bis but not Hardy or Alves or Kos or Fitch
ok Jay
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
Kos, Fitch and Alves would all beat the living shit out of Bisping.
Not sure why you’d even bring them up.
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It's definitely more effective stand up.
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In his last fight with Okami it seemed he had no ways of winning. He did nothing! So you’re right, I just see bisping taking that
I opened my big mouth infront of Two_Words so he pimp-slapped it shut! That’s the last time I challenge his MMA knowledge. Oh yeah, and I like dudes
Please don't compare Michael Bisping to Yushin Okami
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Bisping has a good jab Jay, and mixes his strikes up well. If Nate can’t land that punch or get a takedown he has nothing.
I opened my big mouth infront of Two_Words so he pimp-slapped it shut! That’s the last time I challenge his MMA knowledge. Oh yeah, and I like dudes
Agreed.
Nate has to do what Hendo did. Land his big right. But if he doesn’t he’ll get out classed the entire fight.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
why not okami outboxed nate and do u really believe his stand up is better than bispings?
and dont forget i HATE bisping!
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
id bet bis decision.not gonna get subbed or kayoed and strong enough to keep it on the feet
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
this is very danago-esque
UFC Heavyweight Champ at years end...: Brock Lesnar
UFC Light Heavyweight Champ at years end...: Jon Jones
well fedor should be fine
seeing how he has fought like 8 times in 5 years!
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
and nog is "old" because he has had his head beat into the canvas 1 too many times
Fedor should be much better off that Nog in that regard
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
For combat sports, being "old" is relative. Your mid-30's is considered past your prime unless you are Randy Couture. Why do you think he is so celebrated?
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth."
-Stephen King
ugh
IMO, he had the least amount of easy fights compared to anyone in the UFC.
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
For times like these I have the winning percentages of both fighters opponents.(Draws and NCs thrown out for laziness)(Duplicate opponents only counted once.)
Randy’s Opponents = 68.10%
Fedor’s Opponents = 64.80%
Makes Cain look awesome in his 9 fights because his opponents are 74.4%
excellent stats
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
Stats mean very little. I would take a prime CC over a prime Tim Sylvia. I would take a prime Randy over a prime Brock. Its all about skill sets and styles making fights (cliched but true).
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth."
-Stephen King
This.
The World of Combat Sports is not as good as it was Yesterday, a Legend is done, very sad day
...I bet this is what the Old Timers felt like when Muhammad Ali retired from Pro Boxing
I love you homie.
I do not disagree at all OJR. Stats are very misleading when looked at by themselves. This only really shows the strength of your opponents and should not be used to compare how one fighter would fair against another fighter.
Got it.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth."
-Stephen King
good call Jimbobb
I made a similar case a while back. It’s still relevant I believe:
As MMA fans I think we sometimes get caught up in the association of a level of talent based on emotions or a name-recognition. Fighters undeserved frequently get reps and hype from fan due to one or two moments (Gonzaga head-kick to CroCop anyone?). That rep sticks (good or bad) when we try to debate this elusive concept of who’s best…especially the p4p argument.
Really the only way to settle it is for these guys to fight each other, but even then that will just tell us who was better at that point in time.
Just for grins I took a look at the weighted average winning percentages for Fedor and Brock’s opponents. Nothing super scientific, just for curiosity’s sake. Fedor’s opponents sport a 56% win rate, while Brock’s is 63%. This doesn’t take into account of how good someone was when they faced these two, though as Brock proved you can lose and learn and then beat the same guy.
Again, not saying this makes a case for or against either of them, but it is interesting to view their opponents’ body of work when chasing the dream of determining which of the HWs is best.
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Look at your comment. Back to mine. Back to yours NOW BACK TO MINE. Sadly, it isn't mine. But if you stopped trolling and started posting legitimate stuff it could LOOK like mine. Look down, back up, where are you? You're scrolling through comments, finding the ones that your comment could look like. Back at mine, what is it? It's a highly effective counter-troll. Look again, MY COMMENT IS NOW DIAMONDS.
Anything is possible when you think before you comment or post.
I'm on a computer.
What it does show that is amazing the quality of opponents Brock is facing so early in his career
you can hate the guy but C’mon you have to give credit to the man for facing higher quality opponents fight after fight win lose are draw and thats what it’s about. It would be interesting to see what guys like Wandy and GSP have faced as well.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
im curious in comparing those stats for Gsp and Andy
doesnt show who would beat the other, just a cool stat to show
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
The stats would be a lot different if you looked at the records when they fought but that would be a ton of extra work. If you add in draws and NCs winning percent does go down but in all cases that I looked at if you take into account duplicate opponents winning percent goes way up. An example would be anyone who faces Matt Hughes or GSP multiple times like BJ. Those guys have 85% or higher win percentages.
Interesting
To say the least.
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Yes, interesting
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
thats awesome stats
whats GSP’s opponents percentage? compare to A. Silva?
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I don’t have either of those I only did a few to point out to Roberto that Shane Del Rosario has fought no one good and his perfect record is filled with terrible fighters.
Brock Opponents 71%
Del Rosario – 59%
Cain – 74.4%
Randy – 68.1%
Fedor – 64.8%
At least nobody is below 50% because that would just be sad.
Randy really didn’t have an easy road his 3rd fight ever was against an undefeated(4-0) Vitor.
Thats pretty amazing on Brocks part
Good find jimbobb,
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
And there you go. So by that equation BJ can def hand GSP some losses, right? D'oh!!!! As JB and I agreed to - stats mean nothing.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth."
-Stephen King
Just goes to show that BJ may have losses on his record but the great majority of them have come from extremely high level of competition, Hughes(45-8), Edgar(13-1) and GSP.
BTW
since you have so much time to crunch numbers and stats and shit, why don’t you go over to Chipotle and get me a burrito!! I’m hungry!
john i honestly don’t understand the argument for wear and tear, brock lesnar not only had a grind in college as a wrestler/football player, he came out of college and did the 365 day a year grind in WWE, then came to MMA and did well. he’s old as well.
consider frank mir’s nasty injury he’s up there in age, randy couture wrestled on an olympic level while competing at the absolute highest level in MMA and at 4 weight classes and is 14 years older than your boy yet he is still fighting top guys and WINNING, hendo was an olympic wrestler and he’s doing rather well at 40 years old,
his wear and tear is no greater than anyone else’s in the sport the heavyweight division just now has guys who can equal his speed and atheleticism while being bigger and stronger with equal skill..
your argument just comes from straight up nuthuggery
my sig might be gay but you're the dumbass that read it
by randy murders on Feb 15, 2011 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
im not gonna say the reason for Fedors demise is wear and tear
but ur comment above doesnt quite work.theres too many things to comment on but theres tendons,ligaments,bone density,cardiovascular system.thats why we are all unique,because we are all different so ur point is obselete.NO ONE peaks or primes at the same age and everyone deteriorates at a different stage
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
Maybe
But wouldn’t it at least be fair to to agree that Fedor is past his prime. I don’t think he overall legacy will be all that tarnished by his last two losses, but like Liddell and Hughes, I think his best days are behind him.
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
@ John
I agree man. Fedor is a true ambassador of Sambo and MMA.
I am ashamed of my actions when you put it like that.
Steven Seagal is P4P the best MMA trainer. I’m now going to wear a mask to hide my shame because I was stupid enough to pick Vitor against the greatest fighter of all time
by Bigger Zino on Feb 15, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
its cool man....I respect you on this site Zino, you usually bring good stuff to the table...
even if Fedor wasnt my GOD, I would still respect him as a great man!
and whats there to really bash? he got beat by a really good fighter wh outweighed him by 60lbs!….Lets see how GSP does against a top opponent that outweighs him by 60lbs.
huh?
he got beat by a really good fighter middle of the road fighter who outweighed him by 60lbs!…
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still not sold on Bigfoot? you will see! bet if he was in the UFC, you would feel different!
you really dont think Bigfoot would have a chance at being UFC HW champion? lets be honest! drop the hate for a second n keep it real!
Big foot is talented
A ripped fedor at 265 would have destroyed him.
by jewjiffshoes on Feb 15, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Too bad Fedor has never been ripped or 265.
Might as well say a ripped 265 pound Aldo would beat him.
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A ripped Danago would beat him
If he was a man of course…
by jewjiffshoes on Feb 15, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Lol
The Fedor excuses are getting even worse. A 265lb Aldo would be a monster though, the 145lb Aldo is scary enough.
"AS’ skill levels are slightly higher than GSP’s"
"AS is definitely number one. He doesn’t lose and has shown that he will find a way to sub the best wrestlers."
Jay and I never expected to see him admit this.
Fedor is too lazy to cut.
But I felt the same when Randy lost to Lesnar.
by jewjiffshoes on Feb 15, 2011 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
its not that hes lazy
as proven in his training, he jsut never thought it was neccessary because he was winnign all his fights
Loyality before Reality
You are right.
Lazy wasn’t the word. But narrow minded like Chuck. Why fix what got me here kind of mentality.
by jewjiffshoes on Feb 15, 2011 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
WHAT?
A ripped Joey Benevidez at 265 would have destroyed him
I can do it too.
Steven Seagal is P4P the best MMA trainer. I’m now going to wear a mask to hide my shame because I was stupid enough to pick Vitor against the greatest fighter of all time
No
I think JDS or Cain would blitz him. He’s not fast enough on his feet and his TD’s wouldn’t be good enough to take a good wrestler down to use his jits.
I don’t know if Cain or JDS would KO him, but they would easily put a beating on him.
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depends jay....if they fight tomorrow, then yeah they would probably beat Bigfoot...but Bigfoot has been showing lots of improvement from one fight to the next
timing is everything….Mir has a win over cro cop on his resume…..but thats not the same as having a win over cro cop back in 2005.
lets be rational and open our eyes please….this site is going to shit with all the crap that goes on here nowadays….I fell in love with this site for the great, knowledge filled mma debates…lets keep it real!
I have no idea what you are talking about.
I said JDS and Cain are better than Bigfoot.
You said Bigfoot is improving and might surpass their skill levels someday.
And you ask me to keep it real and not ruin your site? You’re the one making a disagreement out of what MIGHT happen in the future. You make no sense.
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What i don’t see Cain or JDS better than Big Foot.
And that’s not just b/c of what he did to Fedor this past Sat. Just look at all of their skill levels and fights. Strengths and weaknesses.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Match their skills up
Cain and JDS come out on top.
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but in reality
If either guy had an off night Big Foot could easily steal a win.
He’s good. And as already pointed out is evolving still.
Steven Seagal is P4P the best MMA trainer. I’m now going to wear a mask to hide my shame because I was stupid enough to pick Vitor against the greatest fighter of all time
You could say that about anyone.
That’s not really an argument.
I agree that he is evolving, but I am talking about the here and now.
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i dont think you could
If JDS has an off night he still KTFO Tim Sylvia or Bobby Lashley.
Big Foot is Big Leagues. Has been for a while now.
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GSP had an off night and lost to Serra
Anyone can have an off night and lose to a fighter they are twice as good as.
I don’t use “He could have an off night” in any argument.
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No i wouldn’t say GSP had an off night in that fight. He opened up and didn’t feel he could get hit by something that hurt from Matt Serra, and was proved wrong. I don’t care who you are getting hit by one of those meat hooks (preferably, prosciutto) can put just about anybody down.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
but serra deserved to be there
Hell he beat Lytle.. and won the season of TUF and Lytle is close to a shot now.
My point is that you can’t say that about just anybody. It doesn’t translate.
If Brock has an off night against me – he’ll still win.
Off night against JDS – different outcome.
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Don't sell yourself short, big guy.
LOL
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They don't...
how has JDS shown great take down ability? What from Big Country and Gonzaga. I don’t think so. His real test will be against Brock.
As for Cain, does he really wanna get Big Foot down? He has a really high work rate off his back. He’s shown to have really good cardio as well. He’s not going to get knock out by Cain either. Big Foot keeps a high guard when striking as well.
My favorite K1 fighter:
Yuta Kubo the best 70kg striker in the world.
by Untitled_Artistry on Feb 15, 2011 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Cain and JDS would go into a fight with Bigfoot as the favorites, but would it really be that big of an upset if bigfoot won? not really? Cain hasnt proved shit against an elite fighter yet, and neither has my beloved JDS!!!!
bigfoot, jds and Cain all still have so much to prove before they achieve greatness!
Personally, I dont even think any of them would beat Barmnett if they fought today!
they wouldn’t have to since the fight would take place in the US and Barnett obviously doesn’t know how to cycle off properly.
There's a couple states in the US that doesn't test.
Those are the states Barnett will be trying to fight in.
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say what you want about Barnett...but had he spent his entire career in the UFC, he would go down in history as the most dominant HW champ in UFC to date!
dont think enough people around here recognize just how skiled Barnett really is
im talking about actuaql skill set!
you guys dont realize how craft and skilled barnett is for such a big man….the guy is basically a hw version of Jake sheilds with much better boxing!
very good HW!!
I agree
He’s a great fighter. I wasn’t bagging on his skills.
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Believe me
I agree.
I think Barnett should have been the one to fight Fedor at Affliction (he was closest to being able to beat him). And I think he has a VERY good chance of winning this tourney still.
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Barnett's awesome
He’s one of the best grapplers in the division and has KO power. Shame that he’s an arrogant tosser and a known drug cheat, otherwise he could have gone down as one of the all-time great champions. Instead he was stripped of the UFC HW title and missed out on the chance to fight Fedor.
"AS’ skill levels are slightly higher than GSP’s"
"AS is definitely number one. He doesn’t lose and has shown that he will find a way to sub the best wrestlers."
Jay and I never expected to see him admit this.
Honestly, I mean no disrespect
but I see him as another Gonzaga
by jewjiffshoes on Feb 15, 2011 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
no man....you dont have to agree with me for me to respect you...you bring knowledge to the table so I got mad respect for you regardless if you agree with me or not...
just remember this…..Barnett will show you he is more then GOnzaga before this tournament is over!
I KNOW IT!
Barnett was my dark horse pick to win the whole thing
Lets just hope he gets his shit together and doesn’t fail another drugs test or take Rogers and Sergei lightly. He has a good chance at winning this whole tournament if he stays clean and trains properly.
"AS’ skill levels are slightly higher than GSP’s"
"AS is definitely number one. He doesn’t lose and has shown that he will find a way to sub the best wrestlers."
Jay and I never expected to see him admit this.
I will be
I can’t see anyone in Strike Force beating the Reem.
by jewjiffshoes on Feb 15, 2011 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
its not a given that he even beats werdum!
werdum pulls guard, and reem could be in trouble!
dont really care because I am a fan of all the fighters in the SF GP….Im just saying!
Personally, I will sit back and enjoy the show!
well said.
I have a new found respect for the Reem after the Duffe fight. He just looked scary and unstoppable.
by jewjiffshoes on Feb 15, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
He's my pick to win
Even before Fedor lost.
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
Brendog
Nobody asked you. HAHA
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
Fedor is going to win it all
Barnett will get through Rogers (in japan), we will go through the whole licensing thing again, and the shit will hit the fan all over. Next thing you know, we have two crazy russians fighting for the right to face the Reem in the finals.
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
with each word I typed
I thought the scenario sounded less and less impossible. SF has done stranger things, and didn’t Coker allude to this already?
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
AND
God wouldn’t complain about weight classes. I’m starting to think that maybe Fedor isn’t god at all.
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
fedor hasnt opened his mouth, so I dont see how you can accuse him of complaining
my point, is I dont think its fair to completely bash the maN CAUSE HE LOST TO A GOOD FIGHTER WHO OUTWEIGHED HIM BY 60LBS….
iF eDGAR, GSP, Anderson, Shogun fight good fighters who outweigh them by 60lbs, would you honestly be surprised to see them lose?
we are just spoiled by fedors greatness!
I was saying you are complaining about size now that Fedor is over the hill.
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
im not complaining at all! Much props to bigfoot...fedor losing 2 fights now, doesnt tarnish his historic legacy at all in my eyes!
i give much props to bigfoot for the win…..but a lot of factors go into the outcomes of fights, I like to have them all out in the open and look at fights from every angle!
Fedor had a shitty gameplan. He thre the same damn power punches over and over. He even tried the same to start the second and big foot timed it and put him on his ass. He lost because he was out classed that night PERIOD
GO BIG, OR GO HOME!!!
by LOKIE on Feb 15, 2011 1:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
but they wouldnt they arent too lazy to cut some weight and fight at the weight division that is best for them
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
Because he was getting manhandled by that unskilled fighter Rogers.
maybe that’s a good reason?
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
I saw how the fight ended.
So if you were Fedor, you wouldn’t have changed anything up? Just kept going with that same plan of doing whatever happens?
That is insane.
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
none of us are anything like fedor as human beings...If Ii was Fedor I would be getting my dick sucked every single day in miami by 5 different models...
fedor did shit his own unorthdox way, it worked wonders for him, and thats why he is special!
You keep bringing up the fact he was outweighed by 60lbs. Noone makes him fight at Hw. He lost to another HW fighter too times in a row now. He chooses to fight at HW so noone should bitch about weight
GO BIG, OR GO HOME!!!
by LOKIE on Feb 15, 2011 1:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
of course..
not even worthy of discussion, its a given.
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
he probably dies a little inside
every time a zuffa product is exciting…i can just imagine his horror when pettis landed his kick on henderson on free tv
UFC Heavyweight Champ at years end...: Brock Lesnar
UFC Light Heavyweight Champ at years end...: Jon Jones
for sure
The best ideas are always someone elses. Who can bring it to market and dominate… that defines success now a days.
Steven Seagal is P4P the best MMA trainer. I’m now going to wear a mask to hide my shame because I was stupid enough to pick Vitor against the greatest fighter of all time
by Bigger Zino on Feb 15, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Of course he watches them
That’s how he learns how to do a better job.
by jewjiffshoes on Feb 15, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
I remember Gary Shaw told us all that Silva would beat Fedor if they ever fought...
Gary Shaw was…right?
'How's taste my pee pee pee?'
Noooooooo......
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
Lol that's priceless
I presume it was back when Silva was the Elite HW champion but still it’s funny that he called this happening all those years ago.
"AS’ skill levels are slightly higher than GSP’s"
"AS is definitely number one. He doesn’t lose and has shown that he will find a way to sub the best wrestlers."
Jay and I never expected to see him admit this.
It was before they even created that 'title belt'
But since he was correct about that (and I think I felt the earth stop rotating for 60 seconds when it happened), then I guess I should ge behing the idea of Kimbo as the next heavyweight champion of boxing/pro wrestling/mma.
'How's taste my pee pee pee?'
I'll give him props for making a good call even if he just said it because Silva was in Elite
And the only funnier thing than Shaw’s hyping of Kimbo is that some people actually believed him.
"AS’ skill levels are slightly higher than GSP’s"
"AS is definitely number one. He doesn’t lose and has shown that he will find a way to sub the best wrestlers."
Jay and I never expected to see him admit this.
thats exactly what I woulda said if i were him
UFC Heavyweight Champ at years end...: Brock Lesnar
UFC Light Heavyweight Champ at years end...: Jon Jones
Whatever
That attitude won’t get him anywhere is this game. I know for a fact he can’t stand Dana..
Dana is the man, he’ll buy Strikeforce soon and UFC will have all the top fighters, u mad?
I opened my big mouth infront of Two_Words so he pimp-slapped it shut! That’s the last time I challenge his MMA knowledge. Oh yeah, and I like dudes
by danago on Feb 15, 2011 12:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
you mean the UFC doesnt have all the top fighters?
rubbish!
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
Scott taking the high road.
That’s how you act professional.
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on Feb 15, 2011 12:16 PM EST reply actions
The high road? Kids would take the high road against me back in my school days and I’d steal their lunch for it.
Even if I already my lunch, take the highway with me and you’d have no lunch kid.
I opened my big mouth infront of Two_Words so he pimp-slapped it shut! That’s the last time I challenge his MMA knowledge. Oh yeah, and I like dudes
by danago on Feb 15, 2011 12:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
im taking the high road when i get off work
then im gonna smoke a joint and get high
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
rofl
I got trolled!
Was wondering when that would happen.
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on Feb 15, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
wise words
Take the highroad with Danny boy, starve.
Keep on preaching.
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
Why is that? Back then I was a power house kid, I did whatever I wanted too whenever, got a problem? I’d just steal your lunch.
I was huge back then, all muscle. I developed fast so I was like 5 years ahead of all the kids in my school. No current mma fighter would be able to beat me.
I opened my big mouth infront of Two_Words so he pimp-slapped it shut! That’s the last time I challenge his MMA knowledge. Oh yeah, and I like dudes
by danago on Feb 15, 2011 12:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Aight let me tell you how that'd go down
You’d take my lunch the first day. I’d let you. Then the next day I’d roll with all my big friends bc I was a kid in hs who was cool with everyone and was always owed a lot of favors. Then we would all jump the shit out of you and beat you within an inch of your life. Then every day after that you’d be super nice to me and eventually I’d get you doing favors for me too and maybe, just maybe you wouldn’t be the bitch you are today.
Thats how thatd go down. You dont gotta be big, you just gotta be cool. Apparently you got too big too fast and didnt grow your brain so you dont know that. Good luck with your eventual reality checks
And I know what you’re gonna say cause you are that stupid and predictable. You’re gonna say “nah, then the day after that I’d beat your ass when you are alone”. Fair. But if that was your style I’d start rolling around with my lax stick. That way next time I got you alone I’d beat you to death with it and claim self defense. With your reputation the prosecutor would drop the case immediately. Your bullshit works until you run into a real mother fucker. It doesn’t take size to get real on a bitch
Bully Beatdown was created because of Danago's bullying....
…However they couldn’t air the episode because Danago beat Mayhem’s ass badly at the end of the show.
I'd watch that episode
"AS’ skill levels are slightly higher than GSP’s"
"AS is definitely number one. He doesn’t lose and has shown that he will find a way to sub the best wrestlers."
Jay and I never expected to see him admit this.
Dingo, quit living in high school.
We all know you got beat up by the 6th graders when you walked home.
by jestermarcus on Feb 15, 2011 1:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
he was in grade 9 when that happend
Steven Seagal is P4P the best MMA trainer. I’m now going to wear a mask to hide my shame because I was stupid enough to pick Vitor against the greatest fighter of all time
Well thats when it started, but it continued well into college.
Those damn little 6th graders just never let up on him.
by jestermarcus on Feb 15, 2011 1:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dana's response is a case of sour grapes
Because the fighter that beat Fedor, who is considered the best, is in Strikeforce, not from the UFC. Make no mistake, Silva’s win was huge and will bring the spotlight on the tourney whenever he fights.
Coker shows how a true professional acts.
Why do people hate Dana?
You’re kidding right? Dana is one of the smartest businessmen I’ve ever seen. Where would mma be without this guy?
Just think for a second, Dana is just doing his job and a damn good job at that. If you were him your job is to protect your company as the no 1 mma organization. You can’t go around and start praising other brands. That’s why you don t co-promote and you don’t openly praise other fighters
by champ91 on Feb 15, 2011 1:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If you are an Executive of a business that is in the net worth of $100mm plus
Twitter is bad.
Umkay?
Steven Seagal is P4P the best MMA trainer. I’m now going to wear a mask to hide my shame because I was stupid enough to pick Vitor against the greatest fighter of all time
no way man
i have to disagree. Twitter is perfect way for someone like Dana to communicate with fans and get info out to the world
being a Twitter troll is bad..
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
Or awesome. Look how much attention the guy gets. He brings in numbers and his brand is absolutely on fire. He is a big reason why the media and general population recognize MMA and the ufc as the same thing.
Anybody in this sport without a loss hasnt fought the right guy yet - Keith Jardine
by AintNoSunshine on Feb 15, 2011 12:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Because it's MMA which is a dressed up version of fighting according to the masses
Acting like he does in public? Only in a private co. He gets away with it, but generally it’s just so stupid it hurts. But he sells a product to the demographic that eats it up.
Steven Seagal is P4P the best MMA trainer. I’m now going to wear a mask to hide my shame because I was stupid enough to pick Vitor against the greatest fighter of all time
by Bigger Zino on Feb 15, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nail on the head (demographics)
what happens when said demographic (not naming any names) outgrows the antics?
What DW does is calculated, but the UFC wil hit a ceiling rather quickly with continuing antics from its public voice. Can you imagine DW making these cracks in Japan or China? Hell, anywhere in the Far East or Mid East? It is so against their culture to be so bombastic, there is little wonder that Lorenzo stepped up to handle forreign negotiations.
Fedor is a once in a generation fighter and should be celebrated for his glorious career, not condemned and ridiculed for losing the one fight we will all lose...the fight with Father Time.
agreed
Did you see the weigh-ins for the SF event last week. It was embarrassing to say the least. Less than 100 people there, and they had all of the HW fighters there to support the event.
The UFC is light years ahead because of the promotion aspect of things. Dana is a big part of that. Love Dana or hate him, the UFC is a huge force, and has helped MMA substantially in the last decade.
That will all change with time.
All coker has to do is get bigger scales and have a few hundered extra people there…. hmmmm how about combine it with thier own TUF…
Why the F do they use the cheap scales?
Honestly. Make it look official. Go with something we can all see.
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
dont the commissions approve what scales to use?
Steven Seagal is P4P the best MMA trainer. I’m now going to wear a mask to hide my shame because I was stupid enough to pick Vitor against the greatest fighter of all time
by Bigger Zino on Feb 15, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
one would think
But, I have seen WEC fight weigh ins in california and they use the traditional looking scales, and seen SF in california (same athleitc commission) and they were using those chincy looking ones. Curious about this. Why? I dono.
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
They make for for the scales
with the ring girls.
by jewjiffshoes on Feb 15, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
They make for for
With the Ring girls.
Come on Duece… you gotta get those lob balls.
Steven Seagal is P4P the best MMA trainer. I’m now going to wear a mask to hide my shame because I was stupid enough to pick Vitor against the greatest fighter of all time
by Bigger Zino on Feb 15, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
I think its part of their partnership
with the 99 cent stores.
by jewjiffshoes on Feb 15, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Bit of both
Great way for him to communicate with thousands of MMA fans and to promote his fighters and events but he has to realise that you have to be careful what you say on Twitter as his account is in the public eye, many celebrities have gotten into trouble for saying stupid things on their Twitter in the heat of the moment and Dana has to be careful not to fall into the same trap.
"AS’ skill levels are slightly higher than GSP’s"
"AS is definitely number one. He doesn’t lose and has shown that he will find a way to sub the best wrestlers."
Jay and I never expected to see him admit this.
I agree
What can he do but take the high road. I mean SF is trying to put on great fights. Did you see the weigh-ins last week. I watch Inside MMA on HDNet, and there was No One at that weigh-in. I was embarrassed for SF. They had all the HW guys in the tourney, and there was less than 100 people there.
SF really needs to find a good marketing and PR firm and get things going. Their production of their events are always crappy, and they still look like an amateur outfit, although they are trying to put on the best fights they can, and doing a good job as of late.
Coker can say what he wants
he would trade places with Dana in a second. Dana knows that about most people, and he seems to have fun with it
Dana is a promoter. and thats just what he does! No publicity is bad publicity
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
The publicity he got for what he said about Loretta Hunt was not good publicity at all
"AS’ skill levels are slightly higher than GSP’s"
"AS is definitely number one. He doesn’t lose and has shown that he will find a way to sub the best wrestlers."
Jay and I never expected to see him admit this.
I don't think anyone outside hardcore fans even knows about that,
and most hardcore fans don’t even know who Loretta Hunt is still.
I don’t think it had any sort of effect.
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
The media got hold of the story though
Hundreds of thousands of people have watched that clip on youtube and one of these ESPN reporters confronted Dana on the topic during an in-depth programme about it. If journalists and anti-MMA lobbyists do their research then it’ll be an easy clip to find and they’ll have a field day with it. He also got into trouble with gay and lesbian organisations for what he said. It doesn’t matter who Loretta Hunt is, the language that Dana used was unacceptable and made him and the UFC look bad.
"AS’ skill levels are slightly higher than GSP’s"
"AS is definitely number one. He doesn’t lose and has shown that he will find a way to sub the best wrestlers."
Jay and I never expected to see him admit this.
He might look bad to us (addicts)
But most of the world doesn’t know about it. And it hasn’t stopped casuals from ordering UFC’s because they have never heard about it.
That’s what I meant.
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
Maybe
But at the end of the day, people are going to love or hate MMA and the UFC, based on the product that is pt out there. If anyone is that queasy about a sport, because of something a promoter said, they aren’t going to be thrilled about dudes trying to kill each other in a cage.
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
It presents a negative image though
He’s playing up to the stereotypes of “cage fighting” by behaving that way. If he truly wants to bring the sport to new countries and cultures and convince uneasy politicians that MMA is a legitimate and safe sport and not a violent sideshow then he has to act professional. Ranting at an MMA reporter or trolling twitter is not the way to grow the sport and like I said it doesn’t take much time for anyone doing their research on Dana to find these quotes. If Bob Reilly wants to further delay MMA being legalised in NY all he has to do is watch Dana’s youtube videos and look at his twitter and use that to slander his name and his company.
"AS’ skill levels are slightly higher than GSP’s"
"AS is definitely number one. He doesn’t lose and has shown that he will find a way to sub the best wrestlers."
Jay and I never expected to see him admit this.
Your common sense is lost on the majority, David. And I am not a "hater" of DW, either.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth."
-Stephen King
Jay
You’re right. That Dana/Loretta video didn’t have any effect.
Except when I showed up to sign my Clear Channel contract to host an FM Radio show on Saturday late nights in New York City talking MMA — only to have the Vice President of Business Development tell me they’ve decided to go in a different direction after that video made the media rounds and “presented an image not consistent with the goals and direction of our brand — or the sponsors who support us.”
Thanks D-unit.
And for the record, the VP of Business Development was a woman.
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Feb 15, 2011 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
I meant effect on the UFC's bottom line
Or Dana personally. What it did to you personally was unforseeable my myself. I’m sure there was a trickle down effect on others like you, but that wasn’t who we were discussing.
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
But it does hurt the bottom line in this scenario because if I bring an MMA radio show to the New York market and I’m lucky enough to make it successful, it too has a trickle down effect and can bring more fans to events in this area, more sponsors to fighters, etc.
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Feb 15, 2011 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn't taking any of this into consideration when I made that post.
I was only speaking in direct terms. I don’t think people stopped buying his shirts or PPV’s because of the words he had with Loretta. But there was probably other small shit-storms that came from it (like the one you mention).
It may have stunted the growth of the UFC, but it obviously didn’t stop the PPV numbers from growing as they have since the incident.
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
I agree, probably didn’t stop anything, but maybe the drive to legalize MMA in New York would be farther along, I don’t know. We’ll never know I suppose.
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Feb 15, 2011 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
it is a good thing cause it makes it easier to replace him…. who coulld do what dana does… really it would be like replacing bob barker on price is right
easier to replace Coker?
Isn’t he the founder of SF? Does he still own the majority shares? Or did he give that up to M-1 and Showtime?
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
It’s just a bummer that Dana has the loudest voice in MMA and this is what he uses it for. Makes everyone look bad. It would be cool if he took a page out of Coker’s book. Love him or hate him Coker is always professional. Of course Coker would switch places with White, what MMA promoter wouldn’t? Would that mean Coker would walk around being a jerK? I doubt it, maybe, but it doesn’t seem to be his personality. Being the best doesn’t mean you should be an asshole.
coker is unprofessional in different ways
particularly when it comes to picking fights and the like.
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
He doesn't have much to work with.
He has to put what will get him the most views.
The World of Combat Sports is not as good as it was Yesterday, a Legend is done, very sad day
...I bet this is what the Old Timers felt like when Muhammad Ali retired from Pro Boxing
I love you homie.
You are both right
The lack of security at the April event was pretty bad. But for a company that was regionally based a couple of years ago they have been doing a pretty good job building their brand. They aren’t perfect, but they’ve done a lot better then most of the other promotions that have fallen apart. They probably will never have the roster UFC does but they put on some exciting fights. It’s just refreshing to see a guy like Coker. Dana does a ton for MMA, I just think he could be a bit more professional about it. I realize this is business, but at the end of the day it’s all MMA. Same team!
i heard a rumor yesterday
well didnt hear, but read about it…
M1 guys had the New Jersey Hells Angels escort them from the building after the event
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
I couldn't agree more
White may be captain of the biggest ship, but it doesn’t give him the right to be a douche. Coker is all class.
Coker is acting like the prez of a big MMA promotion. Dana was acting like a child earlier on Twitter.
Ofc i still like White better cus he is a bigger personality. But im starting to like Coker as well now. What is he anyway, half chinese or something?
Those of us who want MMA to go mainstream with a positive image instead of the image of drunken idiots on TV who couldn't tell the difference between an Armbar or a RNC.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth."
-Stephen King
All class, from Coker.
Anyone defending Dana’s antics is a classless chump who knows nothing about MMA.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
The World of Combat Sports is not as good as it was Yesterday, a Legend is done, very sad day
...I bet this is what the Old Timers felt like when Muhammad Ali retired from Pro Boxing
I love you homie.
What's funny
Is that his antics have actually brought Strikeforce a ton of exposure.
"The advanced metrics guys do not like Derrick Rose very much." - Bills Simmons podcast 2/4
by RogersPark Kris on Feb 15, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Haha! very much so.
The World of Combat Sports is not as good as it was Yesterday, a Legend is done, very sad day
...I bet this is what the Old Timers felt like when Muhammad Ali retired from Pro Boxing
I love you homie.
anyone comparing the end of Ali's career to Fedor's ass kicking should be ashamed of themselves
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
Ali did more for boxing…. but Fedor will do more inthe long run…
InSPIRE other russians… Just watch…
if he hasnt already inspired other russians, he aint going to!
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
Ay you stupid shit!
I already told you about that. Does it once compare Ali’s and Fedor’s careers? No, you blundering idiot.
Thats how the FANS must’ve felt when the all time great retired.
The World of Combat Sports is not as good as it was Yesterday, a Legend is done, very sad day
...I bet this is what the Old Timers felt like when Muhammad Ali retired from Pro Boxing
I love you homie.
and i disagree
when Ali retired, fans of his knew his time was up. The man was showing signs of his illness, and his fans were sayin “damn ali doesnt look right, there really must be something wrong with the guy”
Fedor is still young at 34 years old, and apparently trained well and hard for his fight. Fedor fans said “dam my boy got ass handled by a bigger, better fighter. I wish he would actually train hard and lose 20 lbs and drop to LHW”
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
34 is young?
Not in this sport it isn’t. Specially if you have been doing it for 10+ years. As well as multiple Russian sambo championships.
The World of Combat Sports is not as good as it was Yesterday, a Legend is done, very sad day
...I bet this is what the Old Timers felt like when Muhammad Ali retired from Pro Boxing
I love you homie.
hes not young, but its not like he looks old and aging in his fighting
he still looked crisp as ever. You can’t say Fedor looked old and sluggish against Antonio Silva.
anderson silva is 35, and he is still demolishing everybody, and he has years of fight left. But Fedor should retire and is done at 34?
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
I disagree.
Fedor looked real sloppy in that first round. Doesn’t seem like the calculated machine that backed up Mirko in 2005, or the killer that was picking his shots against Minotauro. Hw was throing with reckless abandon.
Anderson is 35 but he does not consistently fight guys that outweigh him by 30+lbs on average. Bigfoot had 50 +lbs on Fedor and has black belts across 3 different martial arts.
The World of Combat Sports is not as good as it was Yesterday, a Legend is done, very sad day
...I bet this is what the Old Timers felt like when Muhammad Ali retired from Pro Boxing
I love you homie.
I'm 1 of the biggest fedor fans on here & I never said that crap!
I wud take fedor all day in a rematch. He win the 1st round fucked up the 2nd round. Bigfoot fought a gr8 fight had a smart gameplan in going for the TD start o the 2nd round. Fedor can still hang w/the best. Bigfoots 1 of the best HW’s in the world & keeps getting better every fight.
"Steven Seagal is P4P the best MMA trainer. I’m now going to wear a mask to hide my shame because I was stupid enough to pick Vitor against the greatest fighter of all time."
by d*locc on Feb 15, 2011 2:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No need for brand war
The UFC needs Strikeforce. They can bring all the sideshow fights that attract casual fans to MMA while the UFC takes the major league route. Plus its a great place for developing talent. And besides that womens MMA needs a home outside of Bellator.
The UFC can’t sign Hershal Walker, Gina Carano, a green Daniel Cromier, Lyle Beerbhom, King Mo, and so on. Dana is being short sighted
You really think the UFC needs strikeforce?
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
we, the fans need strikeforce
but the UFC, I don’t think so.
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
Jake Shields… one example
Steven Seagal is P4P the best MMA trainer. I’m now going to wear a mask to hide my shame because I was stupid enough to pick Vitor against the greatest fighter of all time
by Bigger Zino on Feb 15, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
good post.
Ying needs Yang.
It’s about perspective. Otherwise it would be taco bell for every meal.
Steven Seagal is P4P the best MMA trainer. I’m now going to wear a mask to hide my shame because I was stupid enough to pick Vitor against the greatest fighter of all time
by Bigger Zino on Feb 15, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
While we're on the subject of Strikeforce, i promise to never say anything bad about Goldie again.....
Is it just me, or was the commentator (I don’t even remember his name, but the guy sitting next to Shamrock) the most annoying fucker in the world??? What a fuckin dipshit that guy is. What really annoyed me was when he was referring to Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu as BJJ (actually spelling out Bee-Jay-Jay.) I don’t know why, but that annoyed the living shit out of me. Between him and fuckin Frank Shamrock, Goldie and Rogan are allstars.
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
the very worst was the undercard on HdNet
Bas and the Voice! What a crazy fucked up combination
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
I don't know newfie.......
Shamrock and that Strikeforce jackass are pretty fucking bad………Bas doesn’t bother me nearly as much……he’s much better than shamrock. In terms of the other guy, is it the same guy that Bas hosts that studio show with on HDNet?
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
no thats Kenny someone
the voice is a large bald dude who thinks the louder his voice the better
I'm not insane. My mother had me tested.
He's proven harda 2 find than a pubic hair @ a Justin beber concert.
"Steven Seagal is P4P the best MMA trainer. I’m now going to wear a mask to hide my shame because I was stupid enough to pick Vitor against the greatest fighter of all time."
by d*locc on Feb 15, 2011 5:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I can't hardly watch Inside MMA anymore
All the jumping around and really bad format, and as much as I respect Bas for his fighting days, that guy is like on crack or something. Reminds me of Tommy Boy in the diner with his “little pet”
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
Gus Johnson
is the one I hate. That guys know nothing about MMA.
by jewjiffshoes on Feb 15, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Is he the black guy that sits opposite Florian on the ESPN MMA show?
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
That guy that sits opposite Florian
doesn’t know shit. Kenflo’s tongue must be bleeding by the end of each episode from biting down on it so much. He really restrains himself from going off on the guy.
"Oh hell son, i was high that day. That doesn't make any sense at all, you can be second, third, fourth....hell, you can even be fifth" - Reese Bobby
Now if Coker only had those balls
During contract negotiations.
I am the WAMMA Light Heavyweight Champion
by Reality_Jockey on Feb 15, 2011 12:43 PM EST reply actions
Coker good for the sport
I really like Coker and StrikeForce. First of all they put some great events together. Secondly they help a lot of fighters. Especially the ones that get cut from the UFC. So far Coker is doing well for our sport. I like the guy. Of course UFC is number one, but StrikeForce will be around for a long time!
Go Coker!
" is like saying I just got a haircut"- Sonnen.
Coker is not the brightest business man though and I could honestly see them going out of business
They invested in Hendo and planned for him to take out their champion Shields at the time and that backfired, now the co-promoted this entire HW tournament believeing Fedor would at least make it to the second round and that has backfired and unless it’s in the contract this is Strikeforce and M1 globals tournament and paying M1 half the profits with no Fedor is insane!!
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Yeah Coker puts on a good front
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
dana is is own enemy when it came to fedor..
fedor is a man who is respectable..i am very sure that dana’s persona is a big reason he never signed with the ufc..(well the whole co promote thing too..lol) see i personally don’t care that he curses his ass off..or that he can act childish..he is doing something right obviously by the success ufc is having..but the saying..it takes money to make money.. fits ufc like a glove…costs sooooo much money to get things main stream..they had it..
now what would have happened if fedor signed to the ufc..lost his first two fights…he would be defending fedor..and putting on more fights for him..to ride his ass into the sunset..
Night and day
these two, although is coker wearing a hoodie? I’d just assumed he went to bed in his suits (j/k)
"That little fucker hit me with a Hadukan or something" – Nick Diaz on Gomi
"You should study Pokemon to get stronger." - Sakuraba
"A champion is someone who sweats to exhaustion, even when no one else is watching." -Bas Rutten
I'm on the Britney Palmer Bandwagon
Very Well Spoken Coker
You don’t have to be a dickhead to run a successful business.
Shogun's knee will explode for the final time when Rashad shoots for the takedown.
agree
dana looks like such a loser in that picture.
Pure Class.
Coker has more class in his left jowl, than Dana has in his entire egotistical, pasty body.
" Its a good thing you look good in that suit, cos that's all you're gonna be doing - wearing a suit."
Class is right
You can learn about a man’s maturity by what comes out of his mouth.
450+ comments.....
Dana’s job is complete.
by jestermarcus on Feb 15, 2011 6:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
DW - shut up
I am stoked that SF is getting as much attention as it is…hey, 5-6 times a year it puts on a damn good show….now DW needs to stick to being a CEO….and stop acting like a punk kid running his mouth…this sport is much better off without the )#(*@ talking…there is a level of respect in MMA that makes it the greatest sport in the world…As a promoter you are no doubt incredible….over the past several years you have had many convinced that UFC fighters are the best….Recently you had a washed up can named Vitor ranked number 1…WOW…how did that happen…oh, he beat the crap out of Terri Martin…and then he defeated an over the hill over achiever named Franklin…and lets not forget about how you used to pimp the Pitbull and the Maniac a couple years back…you had convinced your following that they were the best hws in the world…hahaha…the you had a guy named Koscheck #1…come on…really?…#1?…then there’s Randy Couture who has ten losses to his credit (I believe all but one by KO or submission)…and Chuck Liddell who has been KO’d 4 of his last 5 fights…yet, these guys are the greatest fighters to ever enter the cage…people obviously have not figured out how full of it you are…Your pissing on Fedor after defeat is in poor taste…I understand it from the casual UFC fan that have been spoon-fed 13 seasons of TUF….but as a fan and figurehead of MMA it reeks…why is it that you bash him yet your stable of fighters are not jumping your bandwagon?….his record will never be touched…Fedor was an icon of the sport and gave MMA fans a lot of memorable moments…just like Randy and his 10 losses….and Chuck and his 4 demoralizing KO defeats (I’m a fan of both)….time brings and time takes away…show a little more class….also a couple things with your UFC cards….they are turning into a bunch of fighters scared to lose their jobs…that crap you sold us last weekend was pretty bad…and your meddling (ie, Machida/Rampage) is becoming obvious….and yes I know you’re PPV buys are through the roof…that’s great…but so were WWE’s back in the day…stick to being a CEO…have some respect for ledgends of MMA (not just UFC).
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