Anderson Silva vs Georges St. Pierre is MMA's Manny Pacquiao vs Floyd Mayweather
by Geno Mrosko on Feb 11, 2011 2:00 AM EST
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That's according to famed boxing trainer Freddie Roach on the most recent episode of Ultimate Insider:
"It's a great fight. It's Pacquio-Mayweather in MMA. It's one guy going up in weight to fight the bigger and supposedly better guy. Anderson is the better boxer at this point. Georges is getting better. I'm a lot closer with Georges than I am with Anderson at this point. There are some things I've learned about Anderson I think I can help Georges with. ... That's one fight I don't think you'd have to worry about Anderson getting up for. For that fight I expect both guys to be at their best. Georges is stronger physically and can rough him up on the inside. Anderson is more of a technician and knows distance. Distance is the key to that fight, though. "
UFC President Dana White is always happy to point out the major difference (in his mind) between boxing and MMA is the fact that the former has trouble putting on the fights fans want to see while the latter does so on a monthly basis. And there is no fight boxing fans want to see more than Manny Pacquiao vs. Floyd Mayweather. Consensus opinion though, is it's simply not going to happen. This is not the case with its MMA equivalent -- Anderson Silva vs. Georges St. Pierre. On the same episode of Ultimate Insider, White tells a fan that if GSP defeats Jake Shields at UFC 129 on April 30 in Toronto, we can expect to see the superfight "by the end of 2011 or early 2012." Music to the ears of combat sports fans everywhere, I'm sure, but also an intriguing bout for Roach. The uber-trainer has put in work with both the middleweight and welterweight champion and says "The Spider" is the better boxer with more technique, while "Rush" is stronger and can rough up Silva once he gets on the inside. Not only that, he believes he can help St. Pierre exploit a few stand-up holes in the Brazilian's game, something no one has done successfully throughout his Octagon career. Anyone care to disagree with Roach's assessment of each fighter? You know where to state your case if you do.
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I would take Silva by t/ko
his ability to maintain distance and hit that chin of GSP will be the difference. The dude has striking like no other, and in a five round fight he will be able to find the sweet spot.
and god said to abraham "you must get melvin manhoef to deal with these bitches"
Its an interesting fight for sure. I know Silva has the speed and power to put him away
But I can see Georges getting him to the ground, and GSP isnt as submission prone as Chael is. I hope this fight goes down in cowboy stadium
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."
yesssss, please let it ne Dallas
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
by Jrandolph on Feb 11, 2011 2:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
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"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
by Jrandolph on Feb 11, 2011 2:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i disagree...i feel that a 100% HEALTHY shogun vs andy is the pac/weather mma fight
im not talkin bout the shogun that came back from surgery and fought forrest and coleman….im talking bout the shogun that fought machida in their 2 fights….
the healthy shogun that destroyed machida in their 2nd fight vs andy…thats the best mma fight in the world…..
and here’s why…..if gsp cant even finish a guy like dan hardy who is nothing but a one dimensional striker with no jits skills and no wrestling skills….then how the hell does he plan on beating a guy like anderson who has proven that he is capable of finishing fighters off his back and has pretty good jits skills….leutter is a decorated jits guy and andy subbed him…
gsp spent 25 minutes punching kos in the same eyeball and couldnt finish him…how long do you think someone would survive with andy punching them for 25 minutes in the same place? not long…
gsp hasnt finished a fight in YEARS….hes gonna employ the same exact strategy that sonnen did….the difference is that he isnt nearly as strong as sonnen, he isnt as big as sonnen…and he wasnt juiced up like sonnen…and he doesnt have nearly as vicious ground and pound as sonnen does…
and gsp walks around at about 195 according to rashad and bones and others at the jackson camp…..silva has to cut weight to make 205…when he fought forrest he was nearly the same size as forrest and forrest is the biggest lhw in the division…silva is too fucking big for gsp…
a 100% healthy shogun is a fucking terminator…just like silva…anderson has said many times that when he and machida spar in training that machida always gets the best of him, that machida wins their sparring sessions….and we see how effective machida ended up being against shogun….he was put to sleep….
andy vs shogun is the pac/weather fight….its the best fight in the world of mma right now…..
but im talking about a HEALTHY shogun…not the shogun that fought forrest and coleman…and my fear is that the shogun who fought forrest and coleman is gonna show up against bones and get his ass handed to him…and that fucking sucks….cause you cant have your fucking knees replaced 4 times and still come out and be your old self…we saw what happened against forrest last time he tried that shit….
and that fucking sucks….a 100% healthy shogun is the only person who presents a credible threat to andy…its the biggest fight in the world…but a crippled shogun is gonna get his ass handed to him by bones just like he did against forrest…and its sad
if you were to read a headline that said: "Drunk Millionaire Dies While Drag Racing Ferrari"..wouldnt you laugh? i would..but since it was Mask everyone got all butthurt...but i still laughed..
all valid points hella
when did Anderson say that machida gets the best of him in sparing?… I never read that interview… u got a link to it? not doubting u I have always been curious about that
"Gold medals aren't really made of gold.
They're made of sweat, determination,
and a hard-to-find alloy called guts"
yea it was in a vid here on mania once lemme see if i can find it
if you were to read a headline that said: "Drunk Millionaire Dies While Drag Racing Ferrari"..wouldnt you laugh? i would..but since it was Mask everyone got all butthurt...but i still laughed..
lol...
no worries man… I’ve heard that anderson has said that machida gets the best of him in practice but never actually seen the ‘quote’ …
"Gold medals aren't really made of gold.
They're made of sweat, determination,
and a hard-to-find alloy called guts"
yea i one of the post fight press confs a reporter asked him about machida and andy said he didnt want to fight him cause machida always beats him up
it was still while andy and machida were both still champs i think…so im searching online at post fight interviews tryna find a link…but these damn post fight things are all like an hour long so im tryna fast forward through all of em…but when i find it i’ll link it here
if you were to read a headline that said: "Drunk Millionaire Dies While Drag Racing Ferrari"..wouldnt you laugh? i would..but since it was Mask everyone got all butthurt...but i still laughed..
im still looking for andy’s quote but i did find where ed soares said that machida is the one who hurt andy’s ribs before the sonnen fight:
source:
http://www.liquida.com/page/9640721/
He said that Anderson, who injured his rib while sparring with Lyoto Machida, was very close to pulling out of the fight: It was really close because the doctors didn’t want him to fight.
if you were to read a headline that said: "Drunk Millionaire Dies While Drag Racing Ferrari"..wouldnt you laugh? i would..but since it was Mask everyone got all butthurt...but i still laughed..
I truely believe silva's ribs were hurting
I’ve always said that silva has great takedown defense for being a non-wrestler and was suprised how easily sonnen was taking him down… after the fight it made sense that his ribs were an issue… I think a lot of fans including GSP now have a false perception that a takedown artist will have his way with silva…. Silva will beat the hell outta GSP.
"Gold medals aren't really made of gold.
They're made of sweat, determination,
and a hard-to-find alloy called guts"
I thought the same....
We have seen Andy’s sprawl before….. it was non existant in the Sonnen fight. I want to see Silva put a licking on GSP. But I also want to see a healthy Silva against a negative tested Sonnen.
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Andy did say that but in no way would Shogun vs Andy be the same just because Shogun does not have the winning past and has not cleared out his division.
It wasn’t to long ago Shogun squeaked by the real father time, Coleman. That is the difference, Andy and GSP will have wiped there division clean for the most part.
by Edgecrusher71 on Feb 11, 2011 7:51 AM EST up reply actions
I would love to see that fight
Shogun is one of my favorites and I think that he could and would beat Anderson. He has all of the necessary tools and more importantly the metal that it would take to finish Silva. He is one of the most mentally tough fighters out there and would not be intimidated by Anderson. Which I am sure no fighter would admit to but I don’t think is actually the case. If you don’t believe you can win chances are you wont.
Great post..
And I agree with u on everything except that cheal has better GnP that georges..GSP’s opponents faces look like ground beef after they fight..cheal owned Nate on the ground but his face was the worse for wear that night even though he got the W…as a GSP fan I admit that AS has alot of tools to use against georges but if chael can take silva down I believe that a more explosive and well rounded GSP can at least make the fight more competitive than most 185’ers..that being said I would also rather see shogun vs silva
by hitemwiturgroin on Feb 11, 2011 1:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We’ve been saying this for almost a yr and now it’s almost here I’m already arguing with my girl about going and she stay home An event like this is a guys night
There's no "I" in team but there is a "u" in cunt!!!
by malito3og3 on Feb 11, 2011 2:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
no prob malito
gimme ‘er number I’ll take the bitch
"Gold medals aren't really made of gold.
They're made of sweat, determination,
and a hard-to-find alloy called guts"
gsp offers something NOBODY anderson has faced yet offers though, he has an explosive and fast standup style moving in and out working his jab, but he also uses that to setup extremely well timed explosive takedowns, would gsp sub anderson? NO but would andy sub gsp? no.
say what you want but noone in the world can duplicate gsp, sonnen has NO standup, no sub def, and vitor is basically just a boxer. gsp can do it all..
but i do agree shogun is the fight i would like silva to get but only an in shape shogun.. and i see shogun subbing jones by kneebar or armbar, those long limbs will cost jones here
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by randy murders on Feb 11, 2011 3:08 AM EST up reply actions
the problem here is
Anderson will definitely not be KO’d by GSP and GSP can be KO’d by Anderson,,,,
"Gold medals aren't really made of gold.
They're made of sweat, determination,
and a hard-to-find alloy called guts"
I would say the same about Dan Hardy or Paul Daley.
While it is a concern that one guy can finish the fight in a way the other guy most likely can’t, that doesn’t mean that the other guy is doomed.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
yep
Silva will handle GSP’s jump up, in similar fashion that GSP handled BJ’S jump. I just think the whole notion of mma allowing smaller guys to beat bigger guys, is outdated (for the most part) At least, when discussing fairly equal talent, and at such a high level.
…but I CAN’T WAIT!
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
by Jrandolph on Feb 11, 2011 2:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Dana is wrong
In no way is gsp stronger physically than Anderson. I think gsp can take him down but that doesn’t mean he is stronger. Rich Franklin is a strong Guy and he looked helpless in the clinch against AS.
This would be the mma version of pac vs may but nothing close to the real pac vs may. Mma still isn’t close to boxing
by p rock on Feb 11, 2011 10:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The only difference is the roles R switched as far as size boxing & mma.
The boring ass dominating fighter that duznt take risks ( gsp & money).
The ass kicking finisher that goes for tr kill ( pacman & spider). I like pacman the best he’s not boring & never tapped =D
"Steven Seagal is P4P the best MMA trainer. I’m now going to wear a mask to hide my shame because I was stupid enough to pick Vitor against the greatest fighter of all time."
by d*locc on Feb 11, 2011 2:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions
why do guys that bash GSP
Spell like total retards?
by jewjiffshoes on Feb 11, 2011 2:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Y duz gsp fans get butt hurt if sum1 thinks he boring?
"Steven Seagal is P4P the best MMA trainer. I’m now going to wear a mask to hide my shame because I was stupid enough to pick Vitor against the greatest fighter of all time."
by d*locc on Feb 11, 2011 3:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lol that was funny! Yes add 1
D locc u hit dat shizzit rit on da head homie!
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by IdontREADthreads-THREADSreadME! on Feb 11, 2011 9:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You and d'locc will make great r-tard friends.
I’m happy for the two of you.
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-Tom Wolf
gotta go with Silva
Silva is gonna be a sumbitch to takedown… I wish this was at a catchweight to be fair, but I guess GSP wants a shot at a 185lb title, gotta like him for trying… still not positive it’s gonna happen right after GSP whups shield
"Gold medals aren't really made of gold.
They're made of sweat, determination,
and a hard-to-find alloy called guts"
If GSP can take down the light heavies in his camp
more or less at will, then i do not believe that taking down Silva will be as difficult as people might think. GSP completely dominating his opponents and making them look like TUF rejects is good enough for me, I couldn’t give a shit whether he finished them or not. its not like they are guys that even get finished all the time. Marqurdt finished Maia in the first round, what did Silva manage. At least GSP has never produced any matches as comical as the Maia and Leites one.
or as embarrassing as the Sonnen one.
The only real possession you'll ever have is your character
-Tom Wolf
I have Anderson in this one from sheer size alone
Who do you guys think would win if Jon Jones fought Cain Velasquez? Both good wrestlers and strikers.
"A coward dies a thousand deaths... a soldier dies but once."
Julius Caesar
im on the jones bandwagon
So I think it would go just like the bader fight.
by jewjiffshoes on Feb 11, 2011 2:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No way Jones manhandles Cain like that. I actually think Jones is outclassed in every area in that fight.
And I’m tipsy off the Bones kool-aid.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
I am not a fan of Bones' personality but
it was clear quite some time ago that he was destined for greatness. Beating Cain is a bit much and a bit soon I believe but even then, I wouldn’t bet against him.
The only real possession you'll ever have is your character
-Tom Wolf
Funny...
I was just thinking the same thing earlier tonight. I think Jones beats Cain. I think he’s quicker, and every bit as strong, especially if he packs ohn more weight. Did you see the pic of him standing next to Arlovski?! Jones made Andrei look small!
**WARNING**THIS POST IS WRITTEN BY SOMEONE WHO IS NOT A GSP FAN**PLEASE DON’T BE OFFENDED IF I SAY SOMETHING THAT YOU PERCEIVE AS AN INSULT ABOUT GSP**
by --utaptout-- on Feb 11, 2011 6:20 AM EST up reply actions
Did you see Cain hopping up from under Brock, getting his own single legs, and beating Brock down from on top?
Because that says more to me about strength and wrestling ability than beating Bader or standing next to AA.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Does anyone know how freddie roach got so badass at boxing?
It seems like he is the go to guy for everyone and from appearance alone you would have no idea. Dont know much about the guy just that he trains pac man any insight would be appreciated.
"A coward dies a thousand deaths... a soldier dies but once."
Julius Caesar
I don’t know much about him as a boxer but he took over his former trainers gym in los angeles and just became a well known trainer and eventually had a few world champions. I guess when ur good word gets around
"Gold medals aren't really made of gold.
They're made of sweat, determination,
and a hard-to-find alloy called guts"
freddie roach is for real...
As a boxer he was a dominant amateur..as a pro..not so much. Sometimes the amateur point fighting style doesn’t work as a pro..so he became known as a pro punching bag. Gutting out wins on heart.. histrainer during most of his years was the Legendary Eddie Futch, who went so far back in boxing that he actually trained and sparred with Joe Louis and had a hand in the careers of over 30 world champs. Futch ctually begged Roach to give up his fighting career. He refused so Futch dropped him hoping it would make him quit, but Freddie fought on a handful of times before retiring to apprentice under Futch in his mid 20s.. make no mistake.. he may not look like much bcuz that Parkinsons is ravaging him but he’s got all the knowledge in there. He also a great guy and took pictures and put up with my drunk ass when I met him at MSG. He’s a good dude..
by Fat Daddy Doobs on Feb 11, 2011 9:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think Anderson is going to be too much for GSP
As much as I like GSP I think he doesn’t stand too much of a chance against a much larger fighter of Andersons quality. Its really a true WW against a guy who in my opinion should be fighting at LHW. All things being equal I would put my money on GSP but in reality I think he is in for a real if not impossible challange. I just don’t see how he could finish Anderson and I don’t see him making it 5 rounds without getting caught. Assuming the real Anderson shows up and not the guy who fought Maia, Leites, and Cote.
Justa420Hero,
I think right now Cain would beat Jones but with a little more time to develop his skills and a little more weight on him, I think Jones is one of the few guys out there that has the natural ability and the right skill set to challenge Cain.
If we believe this.....
Is GSP the Pacquaio (the well-beloved) and Silva (the fighter that they want to lose but will noever lose) Mayweather?
Brandon Vera just suffered a temporary setback. He will come back stronger, fiercer, and faster. I can dream, right?
You're saying that like everyone loves GSP...
For me and I’m sure many others who want to see EXCITING fights, GSP is simply the lesser of two evils. Either way, its a win win, because one of these two will finally have a loss on their record.
**WARNING**THIS POST IS WRITTEN BY SOMEONE WHO IS NOT A GSP FAN**PLEASE DON’T BE OFFENDED IF I SAY SOMETHING THAT YOU PERCEIVE AS AN INSULT ABOUT GSP**
by --utaptout-- on Feb 11, 2011 6:24 AM EST up reply actions
heck pal not all people like GSP in the same way that not allm people like God
Brandon Vera just suffered a temporary setback. He will come back stronger, fiercer, and faster. I can dream, right?
If GSP can get it into the championship rounds...
and take one of the first three, I gotta believe he’ll grind out a decision based on the running (gassing?) we saw in the Maia fight. Could be the GSP fanboy in me talking though. Either way, I’m scared and excited for this one to go down.
"Dave's a killer!!!" ..... "Dave's a mess.."
this^
GSP will win by better conditioning and gameplanning. he will push the pace and Anderson eventually wont be able to keep up.
but hey ive been wrong now twice about Silva
Edson Barboza and Charles Oliveira are gonna stir up the pot at 155!
by robinhorobson on Feb 11, 2011 7:51 AM EST up reply actions
Plum....Knee...
GSP scurries back to WW…
I am the WAMMA Light Heavyweight Champion
when was the last time you saw Anderson using his clinch game
Edson Barboza and Charles Oliveira are gonna stir up the pot at 155!
by robinhorobson on Feb 11, 2011 7:49 AM EST up reply actions
.... Franklin 2?
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Quarry : Serra : Wandy : Pulver : Alvarez
yeah 3 fuckin years ago
Edson Barboza and Charles Oliveira are gonna stir up the pot at 155!
by robinhorobson on Feb 11, 2011 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Man what if GSP could face Brock
i know there are weight classes between them. but i think that will break every record for PPV buys.
Edson Barboza and Charles Oliveira are gonna stir up the pot at 155!
I think GSP could win this,
if he was able to survive into the championship rounds. We saw Silva slow down in the latter half of the Maia fight, allowing Maia to land flush punches. If Maia can close the gap enough to allow him to land, then GSP will be able to do it to secure good takedowns and grind the fight out to a decision win.
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Quarry : Serra : Wandy : Pulver : Alvarez
I've come to a conclussion
That you can look at the fighter’s records in “big” fights and tell a lot. Like Diaz vs Cyborg. I was tricked into the hype but Cyborg had a terrible record against ok talent. Diaz had a great record and his losses were decisions some of which could have went either way.
Also, you can look at records and see who didn’t get it done when they fought someone really good. Or you can look at a record a see whose been caught slipping or sleeping on someone.
Look at Silva. Against Chael he didn’t do so well but I kept telling my wife when we were watching that it wasn’t over till it’s over becuase Chael has a history of giving the big fight away. Against Belfort the records speak for themselves there as well, Belfort has quite a few loses and has a history of not getting it done when he’s tested.
GSP has done well as of late, but has been caught a a couple of times and hasn’t finished people he should have.
So, even if you look at their records and come to the conculsion that they are damn close I fall back to the old saying that all things being equal the bigger guy wins.
I just can’t imagine this fight goes to GSP.
Note that I said “big” fights meaning top talent. It’s a lot harder to examine the record of two new guys or to mediocre fighters when they face off.
Another GSP/Silva thread
How refreshing.
Strikerdave-are you bitchin' out of another sig bet that you lost? Please see sittingbull.
if he means one is a black asshole and the other one is white undersized fighter then yes
this is totally like pacquiao vs mayweather, otherwise not so much.
pac vs floyd is interesting ‘cause they compete and focus in one area, gsp vs silva will be an absolute wrestling domination on silva for 25 minutes with no miracle triangles this time. On the former fight, i can’t see who’s coming on top; in silva vs gsp i can see who’s gonna be in the proverbial top
what!!?!??!
There are somethings I’ve learned about Anderson I think I can help Georges with.
dude you’re turning into coker!! Leave this shit to Seagal.
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