How far away is Frank Mir from a UFC heavyweight title shot?
by Jesse Holland on Dec 6, 2011 4:59 PM EST
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Over the past five years, former UFC heavyweight champion Frank Mir is 6-2. During that span, his only two losses have come to Brock Lesnar (UFC 100) and Shane Carwin (UFC 111). Lesnar is a former division champion while "The Engineer" is a former Interim champion.
Lesnar and Carwin also have two losses since being at or near the top of the mountain.
So in terms of where Mir fits into the puzzle that is the 265-pound title chase, is it fair to put him fifth? If the winner of Lesnar vs Alistair Overeem gets Junior dos Santos in 2012, that leaves them tied at second. Cain Velasquez, who was undefeated until wearing a crown of Brazilian bricks at UFC on FOX, is likely third.
Carwin fourth, Mir fifth?
Here's what Mir told media members (via Heavy.com) about his place among the heavyweight elite.
"I think that the only advantage of the heavyweight division is it's not that deep of a pool. That's just the nature of the business. If I'm victorious next weekend, that's three wins in a row. I think I'll stick my head up there again."
Mir holds wins over Roy Nelson and Cheick Kongo, two middle-of-the-pack'ers who've been keeping the gate over the past year or so. Matt Mitrione was on his way to bigger and better things until failing his first big test against the aforementioned Parisian.
That leaves Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, 4-2 since a 2007 Octagon debut, as the proverbial dark horse in this neck-and-neck race to the 265-pound finish line.
All he has to do is win.
He'll have that chance in the co-main event of UFC 140 this Saturday night (Dec. 10, 2011) at the Air Canada Center in Toronto. He can also avenge a 2008 loss to Mir in the process, which "Minotauro" attributes to poor health and not poor defense.
If he fails, that gives Mir three straight victories.
Is it then time to start talking about his place in the heavyweight race? Or not yet?
Thoughts?
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I think the technical term is
“far”
My lack of sense is only rivaled by the amount of sand in my vagina. Do not call me on my bullshit or I will call your mother.
Mir right now is two wins away
NOG and a top contender should give him a shot, I would say after NOG possible winner of the SF tourney?
I don't try to intimidate anybody before a fight. That's nonsense. I intimidate people by hitting them.
fair enough. but his next fight is who?
carwin,cain,brock, reem…he’s not beating any of those
circa regna tonat
by sir.tickleberry on Dec 6, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
i'd take cormier and barnett over mir too
circa regna tonat
by sir.tickleberry on Dec 6, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
kharitonov/mir would be a nice fight, for sergei.
but i don’t think Sergei is going to be signed by the UFC anytime soon.
Tito Ortiz = God !
i'd take mir over werdum and bigfoot
but i don’t see those two being a path to the belt
circa regna tonat
by sir.tickleberry on Dec 6, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
Right now Brock or Reem get the next shot that should be around June...hopefully
Carwin is not going to be ready to fight tell next year sometime and I could see Mir maybe taking a shot to get revenge by facing Carwin after a long layoff((mir is not dumb)) but I think the SF tournament winner makes the most sense as there fight is suppose to be in January tha twould allow Mir to face one of them around May or June as well?
I don't try to intimidate anybody before a fight. That's nonsense. I intimidate people by hitting them.
i'd like to see mir v barnett
circa regna tonat
by sir.tickleberry on Dec 6, 2011 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
Why not?
Sergei is a pride vet and got past the first round of the tourney. If anything he’s fun to watch.
Mir is on a winning streak Sergie is not so this fight will not happen, now Sergie vs CArwin maybe
I don't try to intimidate anybody before a fight. That's nonsense. I intimidate people by hitting them.
With a win over Nog i'd say he deserves a shot.
However it reminds me of the Machida/Rashad case.
Rashad almost got a title shot before Machida and we all know what happened there.
The same goes for Mir and Carwin. Shane gets all of the tough guys in JDS and loses and Mir beats guys like Roy and old men Nog and Mirko and gets a shot.
If Shane wins his next fight have him fight Mir for a contender fight or something.
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Mir and jds
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by 420mike on Dec 6, 2011 6:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mir and jds
Both fought cro cop and country!
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by 420mike on Dec 6, 2011 6:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
not far enough
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And here comes stupid Mir hate
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by wooly shambler on Dec 6, 2011 5:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions
does he pee like a horse?
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by arm.bar.bandit on Dec 6, 2011 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
2 fights
If Dana was on some real boss hog shit, he would invest in boxing and rid us of these weak ass promoters...so many good fighters, good fights and good cards that can be made, it's a DAMN WASTE
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by Starr788 on Dec 6, 2011 5:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
2 fights? Please elaborate
Or I’ll put my coin purse in your mouth
He's seeing more openings than a gynecologist.
by OilCheck on Dec 6, 2011 5:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
fill him in, starr.
otherwise i’d love to taste his labia
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by arm.bar.bandit on Dec 6, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
It has more flavor than a carne asada
Im removing the dead skin cells right now for your convenience
He's seeing more openings than a gynecologist.
by OilCheck on Dec 6, 2011 5:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i can flavor a carne asada pretty damn well.
leave the shaggies on your bulb, placenta face. i’ll raw dog it.
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by arm.bar.bandit on Dec 6, 2011 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
I hope your toothless
I wanna feel your raw infected gums with my meat
He's seeing more openings than a gynecologist.
by OilCheck on Dec 6, 2011 5:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Forget to take the meds today ?
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery." - Fedor Emelianenko
this is me with the meds, tom.
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by arm.bar.bandit on Dec 6, 2011 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
oi
calm your shit
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery." - Fedor Emelianenko
I'll cum on your shit
Is that what you want?
He's seeing more openings than a gynecologist.
by OilCheck on Dec 6, 2011 5:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
lmao
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery." - Fedor Emelianenko
That's not a no
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by wooly shambler on Dec 6, 2011 5:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
what's your point
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery." - Fedor Emelianenko
We all want to know your answer
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by wooly shambler on Dec 6, 2011 6:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Kay, maybe not 2 fights...
I forgot about the Strikeforce GP…but who knows when that finals is going down…
Barnett vs Mir anyone?
If Dana was on some real boss hog shit, he would invest in boxing and rid us of these weak ass promoters...so many good fighters, good fights and good cards that can be made, it's a DAMN WASTE
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by Starr788 on Dec 6, 2011 5:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
barnett via tko.
the SFGP will take place in the octagon. Dana will drag that out, hype the shit out of the final, have a fighter fake an injury, the showtime contract will expire, the final is held in the UFC, and Dana flips Showtime off and gets the last laugh.
Watch
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by arm.bar.bandit on Dec 6, 2011 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Barnett Mir seems legit
But I guess it depends on how long Cormier will be out with his hand thing.
Does Cain really deserve a shot that quickly?
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery." - Fedor Emelianenko
No different than Lesnar.
Destroyed by Cain, sits out a year + and gets a #1 contender fight?
Ok.
Mir vs Junior Dos Santos would be very bad
"When you believe in something and you're a good person...things happen" - Junior Dos Santos
Not necessarily
If Dana was on some real boss hog shit, he would invest in boxing and rid us of these weak ass promoters...so many good fighters, good fights and good cards that can be made, it's a DAMN WASTE
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by Starr788 on Dec 6, 2011 5:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yea, it really depends on how you look at it
And who you do or do not like…
enzo
by enzo-enormous on Dec 6, 2011 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
One big problem I see with Mir is he thinks he can stand with these top heavyweights. He probably has the best jujitsu outt of all these top heavyweights he should focus on that and i think if say he subs nog ( crazy I know) and then maybe barnett if he comes over then I’d say Frank has a good shot of being champ. Imo he needs to stop with all this standup and use it to get the fight to the ground and use his ground game
by zesotheclown on Dec 6, 2011 5:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
yeh - but Mir can't really wrestle
How’s he gonna take any of the top guys like JDS, Brown Pride or Overeem down to the mat without gettin KTFOd?
by Stonian Prince on Dec 6, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Not far this is Heavyweight
Beat Cain or beat the loser of Lesnar Overeem I guess. Looking at SBN rankings there isnt anyone other than Shane that he can fight that isn’t tied up at the moment
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Got to stop looking at it as who deserves . . .
and start looking at who is available. First off, obviously Lesnar Overeem get next, the question is who after that. Top ranked contenders include Carwin, Mir, Nog, Cain, and Kongo. Cain and Carwin have losses so they need to get at least a win to be considered, and Mir is obviously ahead of Kongo. If they bring in Cormier or Barnett that could complicate things, and maybe one of them jumps ahead but for now, they are part of Strikeforce. It will be about who is available when the match is needed and Mir is near the top of the list.
who we kidding....mir wont ever sniff another title shot again!
cain
carwin
Reem
Brock all ahead of Mir
after Nog beats him nogf will be ahead
and then cormier, barnett, bigfoot and werdum come over to the UFC, and Mir never smells a title shot again!
Carwin is done, John G. Too much physical damage. I think Mir beats Werdum in a boring stand up match like the one he had vs. CC or Roy. Cormier is too raw for Mir right now.
I agree with the rest of the list.
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by OJR on Dec 6, 2011 5:57 PM EST up reply actions
Meh...
I think Mir has a good chance of beating Cain and Nog again. He doesnt match up well with people that are much stronger than him tho.. like Brockness and Reem. He might be able to beat Reem by sub… mainly because Reem doesnt have very good wrestling. He is very strong but his wrestling technique is lacking…. so I could see Mir pulling our a sub win in that one. He has very little chance against Brock or Carwin tho
enzo
by enzo-enormous on Dec 6, 2011 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
carwin is out.
Reem doesn’t use wrestling “takedowns” he throws his opponents to the mat and he’s pretty good at it. Mir sucks at wrestling, he’s so slow. I’d take Cheick Kongo over Mir in a rematch and the UFC should book that fight if Frankie wins here.
Tito Ortiz = God !
Mir is the same size as Reem so it would not be that easy
I don't try to intimidate anybody before a fight. That's nonsense. I intimidate people by hitting them.
Give him Cain after Nog
If Mir beats Big Nog, then i’d say a good fight to make would be Mir VS Cain.
Frank Mir
At Best is 6th behind JDS, Cain, Overeem, Brock, Carwin. I would argue that Werdum, Cormier, and Bartnett are ahead of him as well. Outside of catching one of them in a submission he would lose to all 8 of those fighters right now. I have a feeling he loses to Nog anyways so this discussion will be mute.
How is he behind Carwin ?
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by wooly shambler on Dec 6, 2011 5:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Carwin lands on anybody with a solid shot they are going down
Really proves nothing to me by watching this gif Mir made a huge mistake and paid and thats about it.
I don't try to intimidate anybody before a fight. That's nonsense. I intimidate people by hitting them.
Because
Carwin beat his ass?
Carwin has only lost to the champ, and the former champ
I get that but Carwin is coming off a bad ass whooping steroid cycle and surgery
Mir has to be bumped up
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by wooly shambler on Dec 6, 2011 6:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mir has always ridden very weak wins to title shots
This would be his best one if it got him a title fight.
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i'll tell you exactly how far away he is
he’ll win this fight, after this fight he’ll have an injury, after brock wins the title he’ll fight him again in the biggest ufc ppv event of all time
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Wicked ass dog
If Dana was on some real boss hog shit, he would invest in boxing and rid us of these weak ass promoters...so many good fighters, good fights and good cards that can be made, it's a DAMN WASTE
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As mentioned
He’s at least two wins in a row away. The winner of his fight with Nog and the winner of Barnett/Cormier imo
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to enter into my castle and ask to drink my wine, love my women. the stories about you are all fabricated braiterman, i will call out any lie that endangers the people taking refuge in this camp. we have children living here. ARE YOU MAD! I won’t allow you to ask Mir to go back into that horror.. We’ve seen people from our camp turn into them, HAVE YOU EVEN SEEN THE WORLD THE WAY IT IS TODAY? the walkers have taken over everything braiterman. I hsve to do what’s best for us… everyone go into the other room right now! ::points gun towards Baiterman’s head:: You either leave RIGHT NOW, or I’m going to be forced to look after the best interest of the group
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by Cory Braiterman on Dec 7, 2011 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
if he beat big nog..
The ufc can give him cain and if he beat cain then he can get a title shot.. that’s what I think..
by kenshing on Dec 6, 2011 8:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Probably a life time away
I can’t see him getting the title back in this one, despite how hard he has worked to stay relevant.
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I personally would love
To see him matched up against Cain or Barnett when he beats Big Nog. Personally I think the Big Nog fight is a joke and should not have happened. I don’t care how bad Big Nog’s staph infection was, he got wrecked on that night because he doesn’t move his head or feet. He might have fast hands but that’s about it.
Mir could also fight Lesnar should Lesnar lose to Overeem as I’m sure that would be big money for the UFC and would give him the chance to prove a lot.
Mir vs. barnett
march/april time frame, winner of that gets title shot
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