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Brock Lesnar, Alistair Overeem, UFC 141 and steroids

Brock Lesnar (left) and Alistair Overeem (right) still compete under a cloud of suspicion of steroid abuse. UFC 141 and strict drug testing from the NSAC, hopefully, put and end to the speculation once and for all.

On one side of the cage is Brock Lesnar, the 266-pound mammoth of a man who formerly held the UFC heavyweight championship and is the undisputed biggest box office draw in the history of mixed martial arts (MMA).

On the other side is Alistair Overeem, an equally large beast who feasts on horse meat and tomato cans the world over. He's a Strikforce, DREAM and K-1 champion with two of the most dangerous hands in the world.

And then, somewhere off to the side, is the 800-pound elephant.

The issue of steroids in sports is nothing new. Athletes strive to get bigger, stronger and faster in an effort to get the edge on their opponents in a competitive landscape of contests that are so physically taxing. In many ways, it's difficult to blame them. Their job demands that they be in tip-top shape at all times, no easy task for mere mortals like you and I.

But, there's always been something different about Lesnar and Overeem.

In Brock's case, he's had to fend off allegations his entire career. That's due, in no small part, to the fact that he was arrested in 2001 for possession of what was described as "a large amount of steroids." But, as it turned out, he was later cleared because what he had was not illegal at that time.

What he had was growth hormones or, as his attorney described them, "some type of vitamin thing."

Indeed, this was right around the time Lesnar was making his way into the dark world of professional wrestling, where steroids are as common as daily meals. And considering his unbelievable size -- he was billed at 6'5'' and 320-pounds -- there was no way he was going to waltz around without common folks wondering how he got to be so big.

Naturally, asking him about it is no easy task.

In an ESPN E:60 feature back in 2008, an interviewer simply said, "You're just so big," which prompted Lesnar to rip his microphone off and abruptly end the interview by storming off the set. He was later caught on camera saying, "I know where he was going. I've never failed a drug test."

Which is an interesting way to answer a question like that, really. And it only served to further fans suspicions that Lesnar was using chemical means to attain his God-like body.

This isn't to say he's never directly answered the allegations. He did so in a 2009 interview with Maxim magazine, actually, and his response at that time was controversial to say the least.

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"I bet you I've taken over 60 steroid tests," Brock told Maxim. "In college I had 15 random drug tests in two years. I've taken drug tests for the NFL, the WWE, the UFC. I must be pretty good at masking steroids. God gave me this body: Are you jealous of it or what? Give me a break. I got the genetics of -- not to get into racism or anything -- but I'm built like a black man. Would you say so?"

No, I would not say so, but to each his own, I suppose.

To this day, Lesnar can't escape the allegations. And he probably never will. But the lead-up to his UFC 141 fight against Alistair Overeem has been fascinating if, for no other reason, than for the first time in his life, his opponent is the focus of even more steroid allegations.

Indeed, "The Reem" will make his debut fighting inside the Octagon, but he's no stranger to the spotlight, especially pertaining to questions about his ever-growing musculature. Unlike Lesnar, who has always had a rather thick build, Overeem used to be a scrawny light heavyweight getting shoved around by Mauricio Rua over in Pride FC.

And then, over the course of several years, he grew. Massively. Incredibly. Impossibly.

Here's a handy dandy picture to illustrate:

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From 2003 to around 2009, Overeem put on some 40 pounds worth of muscle. While that's probably possible without the aid of illegal substances, try convincing anyone in your local gym that they can pull off such a feat just by the sweat of their brows and the strength of their backs.

Not unlike Lesnar, Overeem has found himself in situations that have only served to strength suspicion of him. The most recent, of course, was his apparently leaving the country when he was supposed to submit a random drug test to the Nevada State Athletic Commission (NSAC). To make a long story short, "Demolition Man" was told to have a test back in two days, he promptly left the country and didn't end up getting his test back to the proper parties until nearly a month after.

The ensuing hearing with the NSAC was a debacle, to put it nicely. He was ultimately granted a temporary license despite the odd circumstances surrounding the situation and given strict orders for testing over the next six months or so.

It should be pointed out that Overeem tested clean, just like he always has, just like Lesnar always has. They have both never failed a drug test. And while that hasn't stopped speculation from running rampant, it's the only evidence they need. It's the Ace up their sleeve.

Overeem isn't as bullish as Lesnar when it comes to answering questions about the sometimes touchy subject. Not unlike his counterpart, the Dutchman chalks up his body to good genetics.

"People have accused me of steroid use since I was 17," Overeem replied when asked about it. "17 was my first fight. I was weighing in at 84 kilos, I don't know how much that is in pounds, but I was already looking like an animal then. It is a genetic thing. My body just doesn't hold any fat. My fat percentage is really low and that's why my muscles jump out. My brother is the same. ... My brother always looked good, as well. He always was ripped, always had big muscles, no fat. That's one of the amazing things. He doesn't eat that healthy, and especially a couple years back he didn't eat healthy at all, but he still was ripped. No fat. So I think that's a little bit of our secret, we have good genes. Thanks mom and dad, thanks somebody else maybe up there. We're lucky."

Maybe these two monsters really do just have good genetics. Maybe they're clean as can be and the fans and pundits alike should just back off and let them be the Goliaths they already are.

Of course, none of it will matter tomorrow night when they climb inside the Octagon to do battle against one another. The fans, if only for a short time, will forget about steroids and growth hormone and all that other chemical nonsense. Instead, they'll focus on two beasts charging at each other until one of them falls.

Maybe that's how it should be, after all: Innocent until proven guilty.

Post-fight drug tests pending.

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I like how in one write up

It will be talked about how great reem is then another ( this one ) says he feasts on tamatoe cans world wide.

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by TheDragon on Dec 30, 2011 10:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

It took him over 10 years to put on 40lbs

If people at your gym are in awe of that then they’re all girly men mate.

He used to weigh around 225 in his early days. There is nothing implausible about the gain.

He very well may have used substances at some point in his career but he’s never pissed hot and he comes to fight. That’s good enough for me.

"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery." - Fedor Emelianenko

by tkotom on Dec 30, 2011 1:08 AM EST reply actions  

Same goes for Brawk.

Steroid talk is getting old.

"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery." - Fedor Emelianenko

by tkotom on Dec 30, 2011 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

i just wanna see these beasts have some cardio and go more than 1 good round. if it goes passed that we might as well watch a fitch fight

by ibeffudled on Dec 30, 2011 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Which we will

Jason Miller is a retard with straight hair and curly teeth.Hes a couple of dolly mixtures short of a quarter and spends his time swinging of a tyre attached to a rope! I should have listened to the MMA royalty on here,especially Jay,ANS and ViolentMike who kept reminding me that Mikes wrestling was the best at 185 and 205 and that if Greg Jackson,Randy Couture,Blackhouse,ATT or team quest ever needed any tips on game planning Wolfsalir is just a phone call away

by 10thDegreeWhiteBelt on Dec 30, 2011 2:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You're not exactly unleashed if you're in a cage

….just saying

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by Starr788 on Dec 30, 2011 1:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea u are

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by 420mike on Dec 30, 2011 2:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

This

Is correct

Jason Miller is a retard with straight hair and curly teeth.Hes a couple of dolly mixtures short of a quarter and spends his time swinging of a tyre attached to a rope! I should have listened to the MMA royalty on here,especially Jay,ANS and ViolentMike who kept reminding me that Mikes wrestling was the best at 185 and 205 and that if Greg Jackson,Randy Couture,Blackhouse,ATT or team quest ever needed any tips on game planning Wolfsalir is just a phone call away

by 10thDegreeWhiteBelt on Dec 30, 2011 2:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

gotta love some of the convo's going down on Mania

"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery." - Fedor Emelianenko

by tkotom on Dec 30, 2011 2:37 AM EST up reply actions  

At the end of the day, that is basically how I feel.

Do I think that they have both juiced? Yes, I do. Brock most certainly did in the WWE, and may still. I am more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt today since he is much smaller and softer than he was in his wrestling days. Also, I don’t think he would risk it today with all of his problems concerning his diverticulitis.

The Reem has also juiced. TKOTOM has his numbers off. He has gained closer to 50 lbs. and he has done it in only about 5-6 years. There are cirumstances where that could be possible without steroids, but not in Overeem’s case. He wasn’t a young man going through puberty. He was a professional athlete who was not training to be a bodybuilder, but a professional fighter. The amount of training it would take to gain that much size, while also training to be a fighter would be just about impossible to recover from without “help”.

That being said- I don’t really care at this point. There will always be some form of cheating in sports, and they will not be the first or last to use steroids. I just want to see these two fight.

by naturalshadow on Dec 30, 2011 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

I think your numbers are off.

Overeem weighs about 260 lbs. In pride he was a large LHW, hence the struggles with conditioning. I highly doubt he weighed 210 lbs in pride. Add to the fact that he competed in strong man competitions outside of fighting and you have all the various “training” covered.

I agree that we shouldn’t care at this point, but why write a long winded reply if you simply “don’t care”…

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by Man.Bear.Pig on Dec 30, 2011 3:48 AM EST up reply actions  

he weighs 253 recently. one thing in his favor is his brother valentijn is a lazy sob and still looks huge

by quidnunc on Dec 30, 2011 7:49 AM EST up reply actions  

he cut

down to the 263 he weighed last night but like lesnar who barely hit the limit (266) he will walk into the octagon heavier…

by Carwin_Army on Dec 30, 2011 8:28 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

There is a difference between not caring if they have juiced in the past.....

and actually believing them when they say they haven’t juiced. That is just a load of crap.

by naturalshadow on Dec 31, 2011 6:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Nah he was over 225 in Pride mate

that’s not speculation, it’s proven. He was cutting immense weight to make 205.

"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery." - Fedor Emelianenko

by tkotom on Dec 30, 2011 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Now he cuts to make 265.

With not an ounce of fat added in that whole time. That doesn’t happen at his age just by eating horse meat.

by naturalshadow on Dec 31, 2011 6:26 AM EST up reply actions  

NO

Diverticulitis is not a common disease, if it was every bodybuilder, wrestler pre-Benoit, and power lifter who take anything they can get their hands on would have that disease. Its a genetic disease, could be due to all the meat he eats, but not due to roids.

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by Mr.Randy Watson on Dec 30, 2011 10:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yeah

Look how big he was after his first bout with diverticulitis , and now after his second. That ends it for me. He’s got good genetics. He didn’t roid up right after all that talk of stomach surgery.

He prob used growth hormones back in the day with the WWE an prob pushes the envelope using te best legal stuff but so what. Same with Reem.

Going to be interesting tonight !!

by jtc5150 on Dec 30, 2011 9:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

+100, move on, anyone reasonably athletic and with proper diet and training can put on 40 lbs of muscle

I just don’t get how people keep on thinking its hard to put on that kind of muscle.
Look at Alistair’s frame and how much muscle he had previous to weight training/lifting and changing up his diet and increasing his protein and caloric intake.

by Syncro on Dec 30, 2011 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, a beginner can put on 40 lbs. of muscle.

Once you have been training for years it is highly unlikely that you would hit a growth spurt the way that Overeem has.

by naturalshadow on Dec 30, 2011 1:40 AM EST up reply actions  

He didn't hit a growth spurt , he put muscle on through resistance training .

Before that he wasn’t training for size he was actually cutting immensely to be a lhw

Beat cheeks

by wooly shambler on Dec 30, 2011 1:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The difference is, Reem was actively trying to keep his size down

so he could cut to 205. Once he decided to move to HW, he was able to first allow his body to grow like it naturally wanted to, and then start adding extra muscle on.

by Shaun32887 on Dec 30, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah dude was huge even back then.

He just used to cut a lot.. i never understood why he didn’t just fight at HW. His cardio wouldn’t have suffered so much.

"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery." - Fedor Emelianenko

by tkotom on Dec 30, 2011 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

he said he felt at the time it was a good weight but i agree plus he did say he couldnt do any strength training

like water

by Mac Marley on Dec 30, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

He would have been a force at HW.

"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery." - Fedor Emelianenko

by tkotom on Dec 30, 2011 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

by Brizzle T on Dec 30, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Overeem doesn't have the best hands...

JDS has better hands at HW…

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by Starr788 on Dec 30, 2011 1:23 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

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by Starr788 on Dec 30, 2011 1:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Easy there

"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery." - Fedor Emelianenko

by tkotom on Dec 30, 2011 1:57 AM EST up reply actions  

it’s not so much about the hands, it’s the movement/defense. overeem has a cover and counter style that I don’t think plays as well in MMA. if you watch the werdum fight he went right through overeems guard. some of that is he was waiting for a takedown attempt but it’s also the fact that overeems defense is too much just holding his gloves up which works when gloves are much bigger like in K-1. overeem needs to learn to move his head and his body and get better angles

overeem does have good hands which is in his favor for mma as someone like bonjasky who cant punch at all and is always kicking would just get taken down a lot but I feel his other technical skills are not up there with fighters like spong or saki. props to him for being spong which was impressive but I don’t think the style he uses there translates so well. brock is pretty terrible though so it will really come down to how he avoids getting put on his back where he seems like he doesn’t train too often

that said JDS hands are way overrated. hw is just full of guys who are from grappling which makes him look better than he is. the best guy he beat in terms of striking is yvel who has a crazy attacking style that has gotten him many losses

by quidnunc on Dec 30, 2011 8:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Saki would kick Reems ass in a fair and square fight

dude still gave him a run for his money with just one hand, his weak side at that. Cant wait to see Sake in MMA. Fucking beast

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by Str8_right on Dec 30, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

all that muscle adds up to no cardio

by ibeffudled on Dec 30, 2011 1:23 AM EST reply actions  

unless his heart grew bigger along with his other muscles

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law

I slept with faith and found a corpse in my arms on awakening; I drank and danced all night with doubt and found her a virgin in the morning.

The sin which is unpardonable is knowingly and wilfully to reject truth, to fear knowledge lest that knowledge pander not to thy prejudices.

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by Str8_right on Dec 30, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Cain and JDS are both

Better than Brock and Overeem, we know that. But it’s still fun to put two pitbulls in a cage and see who cracks

by MauiWaves on Dec 30, 2011 1:29 AM EST reply actions  

Ha.

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by LenBarson on Dec 30, 2011 2:00 AM EST up reply actions  

not at all

Fedor would whoop his ass

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by Str8_right on Dec 30, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd take Reem over Cain

"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery." - Fedor Emelianenko

by tkotom on Dec 30, 2011 1:56 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL that is hilarious. Let's see how you feel after tomorrow

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by freenow82 on Dec 30, 2011 2:00 AM EST up reply actions  

The Day After Tomorrow?

"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery." - Fedor Emelianenko

by tkotom on Dec 30, 2011 2:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Two days before the day after tomorrow...

wait a second…

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by Man.Bear.Pig on Dec 30, 2011 3:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Inmaniaception

"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery." - Fedor Emelianenko

by tkotom on Dec 30, 2011 3:56 AM EST up reply actions  

hey it was a fair attempt

"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery." - Fedor Emelianenko

by tkotom on Dec 30, 2011 4:30 AM EST up reply actions  

thats the most false thing anyone being a sports fan can say. you basically discredit hard work and dedication like yeah every champ is a juiced up monkey at one time in life

like water

by Mac Marley on Dec 30, 2011 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

"I got the genetics of -- not to get into racism or anything -- but I'm built like a black man. Would you say so?" - Brock Lesner

I can’t believe I’ve never read that quote….that was hilarious.

I guess that’s one way of explaining it…

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by battlestar on Dec 30, 2011 2:39 AM EST reply actions  

What's funny is he's not really built like a black man

His muscle bellies and tendon attachments are the opposite of an athletic black build .
He has long deep muscle bellies and short tendon attachments for raw power and strength and someone like guillard or papy abedi or Anderson or Anthony Johnson have short muscle bellies with long tendon attachments for speed and explosive power

Beat cheeks

by wooly shambler on Dec 30, 2011 2:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Great post

All in all though, both guys are juicing. Their past history and enormous phisiques are fairly big giveaways.

I don’t care as long as they past the test and perform the best!

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by Rilly on Dec 30, 2011 3:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Sometimes when a guy gets really big

his physique becomes deceptive

"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery." - Fedor Emelianenko

by tkotom on Dec 30, 2011 3:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Or........

Sometimes when a guy gets really deceptive his physique becomes really big

by randallhumpfreeze on Dec 30, 2011 4:14 AM EST up reply actions  

you made a mess of that

"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery." - Fedor Emelianenko

by tkotom on Dec 30, 2011 4:30 AM EST up reply actions  

+1 this.

i mean its just obvious sometimes that black fighters body’s and frames are just different. look at alistair and he’s mixed lol i laughed so hard when i first read that i think he said that like back when he was about to fight carwin not sure

like water

by Mac Marley on Dec 30, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

irresponsible

I find this piece to be terribly irresponsible. You take the Guilty until proven innocent approach, and you give the slight notion that they could be innocent. I think that is a childish approach, was Brock caught with HGH sure he was. Has he tested positive for anything in his entire career. No he has not, so seeing as how his tests always come back clean why even write this article. I personally do not think it is very fair to imply that they are more than likely using based on physical appearance. The facts are that they have never failed a test. So until then you should not write about this, I understand you expressing a tired opinion, but do so responsibly and do not single two innocent people out and make assumptions based on nothing but opinion.

by footknife on Dec 30, 2011 3:57 AM EST reply actions  

dont read it

or spend that much time dissecting then reviewing it afterwards

by Carwin_Army on Dec 30, 2011 8:32 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

At what point did I accuse anyone of using steroids?

I simply wrote that they’ve basically been determined guilty in the court of public opinion. I didn’t pick a side. I presented the facts. Go read it again.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Dec 30, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

My opinion is

I think hes just pointing out the speculation surrounding these 2 monsters.

by randallhumpfreeze on Dec 30, 2011 4:15 AM EST reply actions  

enough bullshit

now it’s time to fight. Fuck yes!!!!!!!

by biggant on Dec 30, 2011 6:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Every MMA fighters is on steroids.

Bobby Southworth

by danago on Dec 30, 2011 8:21 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

In Brock's case, he's had to fend off allegations his entire career.

Not really..he just has to point to the many, MANY test he has passed.

but for Reem, with only 5 US fights… he has MUCH less to point to.

Lesnar has earned the benefit of the doubt, Reem fled the country.

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by Reality_Jockey on Dec 30, 2011 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

when you’re last few fights include a butt flopping werdum, brett rogers, and todd duffee…..


YOU’VE BEEN FEASTING ON TOMATO CANS.

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by theworldsoldestsport on Dec 30, 2011 11:02 AM EST reply actions  

Let’s look at his last 13 fights -
Fabricio Werdum (got outstruck by Werdum who is hardly a Takedown artist)
Todd Duffee (seriously?)
Brett Rogers (I mean….)
Kazuyuki Fujita (dangerous but…Can)
James Thompson (Can)
Tony Sylvester (Who? Can)
Gary Goodridge (dangerous but….Can)
Mirko Filipovic (No contest)
Mark Hunt (never been a worldbeater in MMA)
Tae Hyun Lee (Who? Can)
Paul Buentello (never been a world beater)
Sergei Kharitonov (Overeem LOST this fight)
Michael Knaap (Who? Can)

Gatti. Dekkers. Pele. Aoki. Kang. Vanderlei. Basillio. Harry Greb.

by theworldsoldestsport on Dec 30, 2011 11:15 AM EST reply actions  

He did not get outstruck by Werdum

If me and JDS fought, i can throw 6 sloppy haymakers and a couple jabs and he can throw 1 uppercut and Knock me out. I outsruck him, but he won the standup battle

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by ItalianStallion54 on Dec 30, 2011 12:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  


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