UFC Quick Quote: Herb Dean wanted Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira to tap, not snap
by Jesse Holland on Dec 20, 2011 10:15 AM EST
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"In my mind, I was hoping that he would tap. Like, ‘Please, please make this easy for me. That looks like it’s on.’ I definitely [had a] heightened awareness at that time. I was really focused on that arm. But that’s how Antonio became who he is -- he didn’t get there by giving up. That guy’s done things that everyone thought was impossible time and time again because he never gives up. I stopped it because I saw the arm break. The tap came after. I don’t stop it when I believe it’s locked on or even if I believe the guy’s in jeopardy because I don’t know what that person can take. I don’t know what their limits are, but if I see an injury that is too dangerous for the fight to continue, that’s when I’m going to stop the fight. Or if I see the fighter tap. He was very calm. He’s an exceptional person. Even during that, with coordinating with the physicians and him getting out of there, at some point he started taking an active role. ‘OK, Herb, I want you to help me up.’ He was pretty calm through it."
Longtime mixed martial arts referee Herb Dean (via Sherdog.com), like most of the people watching the UFC 140 co-main event between Frank Mir and Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, was hoping to see "Minotauro" submit to the painful-looking Kimura slapped on by the former division champion. Regrettably, he did not, and left the Air Canada Centre back on Dec. 10 with his arm in a sling, which later required 16 screws and a titanium plate to correct. How about it Maniacs, anyone think Dean has an obligation to stop the fight before the tap to save the snap? Or is he simply an unbiased observer at the mercy of a fighter's judgment? Opinions, please.
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Herb did the right thing
The ref is there to enforce the rules and ensure a “pure” competition. In the case of submissions, everyone is different when judging pain tolerance and therefore it is more black and white than when stepping in on a TKO.
In this fight, Mir, Dean, and even Nog did the right thing and this fight should be at the forefront of “doing what is right”.
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Agreed
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by Edgecrusher71 on Dec 20, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
+1
It’s on Nog to tap. Plus the fact he is an accomplished in BJJ there is always the chance he could still have escaped. We would all be up in arms if Herb stopped it early.
dean has really turned himself into a GREAT referee. props to him!
Props to herb for continuing to do a great job!
Props to Mir who i hate for amazing technique
and props to NOG for continuosly show heart that no other man can match!!!
i hated him for trying to enforce his “headphone” rule relating to the back of the head, but now that he has started using the common definition of back of the head i think he does a great job too.
Dean was perfect; can't say the same of Noguieira, unfortunately
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by Eduardo Cruz on Dec 20, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
this is a pointless article...
Dean is no way repsonsible for judging a fighters pain tolerance, Nog chose to get his arm snapped by not tapping he knew what was coming, O Welll!!
This is a pointless comment ^
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by freenow82 on Dec 20, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Respectfully disagree nick.
How many times have we seen a ref stop a fight way too early? How many times have we screamed at the TV for the ref to “stop the fight already!” when a guy was getting smashed?? (Matt Brown vs Pete Sell comes to mind). Refs unfortunately make mistakes. This was article about one of, or according to Dana THE, best ones doing his job. To think this was a pointless article is insulting.
by WallyBallz on Dec 20, 2011 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Herb Dean sucks
Mir was out when it hit the ground, the fight should have been stoped right then, not after he’s had the chance to recover.
by ihatepressingf5 on Dec 20, 2011 10:30 AM EST reply actions
Wow, you must not be a very happy person. I mean, really???
by Fedor'sFadingCareer on Dec 20, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Hes probably a Nog fan boy.
Who lost a lot of money and sleep.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Dec 20, 2011 11:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
not at all
I’m a Mir hater. Also a Herb Dean hater for different reasons
by ihatepressingf5 on Dec 20, 2011 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Why do you hate Herb Dean?
MMA is like a puzzle, it's just a matter of finding a solution to each situation.
sigh
He fucks up every other fight but the one that really pissed me off was Fedor vs Henderson. Not only Fedor was hit in the back of the head blatantly, he was on his way up when Herb decided to stop that trasvesty of a fight. Just thinking about that still pisses me off to no end
by ihatepressingf5 on Dec 20, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Lots of fighters get hit in the back of the head in the heat of the moment.
And it wasn’t a punch to the back of the head that put Fedor out. Besides, by the time Fedor regained consciousness, Dean was already in the middle of stopping the fight. Dan was already letting up. A ref can’t second guess himself like that.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Dec 20, 2011 11:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Difference is.
Fedor didn’t move even after taking a few more shots. The ref (think it was Herb Dean as well) had already started getting in the middle of Dan and Fedor by the time Fedor started to fight back.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Dec 20, 2011 2:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Seriously, what did Herb Dean ever do to you?
Mir, I get that, people hate him for the same reasons they love other fighters, he confident, knows his stuff, and tells it like it is. People love fighters like that, unless its a fighter they dislike.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Dec 20, 2011 11:30 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mir I dislike for acting like he was winning every fight he was ever in
Specially the first one with Brock, he only won that one because of Mazzagatti and he still went on and on about defeating Brock like it was a total destruction. Then he gets his ass handed to him and still talks shit about Brock.
If Sonnen loses again against Silva and still talks his ridiculous ammount of shit about Silva, then he’ll be definitely sliding into Mir territory for me.
by ihatepressingf5 on Dec 20, 2011 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
So you dont like him because of his confidence?
If he walked around saying “Yeah I get my butt whipped in most of my fights but I come back and win.” That’s not a confidence booster to ones own moral. Besides, who gives a shit if he brags about a win, what’s the point of competing if you can’t celebrate your victories?
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Dec 20, 2011 11:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Mir coming back and winning is undeniable proof that Herb Dean made the right decision in allowing him to continue, because clearly the fight wasn’t over. By your logic, Lesnar should have lost to Carwin, Silva should have lost to Sonnen, and Edgar should have lost to Maynard three times instead of just once. That’s just plain stupid thinking.
by nomomrnicekyle on Dec 20, 2011 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
thats is...
always lookin to blame someone, listen im not saying they dont make mistakes, the fighters know 1st hand , if they wanna be the tough guy and not tap its on them, u dont think Nog knew what was gonna happen? and the fact this guy is saying the fight shoulda been stopped cuz Mir was ’out" is an utterly ridicoolous statement cuz he obviously wasnt out if he came back and won, and reinforces the fact the fight should NOT have been stopped!
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by ChrisUSA on Dec 20, 2011 10:44 AM EST via Android app reply actions
That app is garbage. so much better to just browse the mobile web version
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Herb did a great job,
lol he was probably doing what we were all doing, watching with one eye open hoping “please tap please tap” Just new that arm was going to break. Being a ref in that situation must be tough, you can see it about to happen but cant do anything about it. Standing there waiting for some guys arm to snap in half cant be fun, props to herb for keeping his cool in there.
Wasnt Herb the ref for Mir breaking Silvia's arm as well?
Coincidence????
Actually I’m sure it is, good job Herb.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Dec 20, 2011 10:56 AM EST via mobile reply actions
As usual Herb did the right thing.
“I don’t stop it when I believe it’s locked on or even if I believe the guy’s in jeopardy because I don’t know what that person can take. I don’t know what their limits are…”
nog was foolish for not tapping sooner
There is no pride or glory in getting your arm broken
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by letter19 on Dec 20, 2011 11:00 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Sure there is.
For Mir.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Dec 20, 2011 11:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Herb is great..
Herb did a fine job, he gave the fighter every chance to inprove his position. He actually give a shit about these fighters. I have seen some fights where the fighter is begging the ref to stop the fight cause they don’t want to continue to punish their opponent. Nog should have tapped sooner, maybe Mir didn’t need to break the arm to get the “W”, but thing is clear Herb did a great job as always.
Mir hate = amusing
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by wooly shambler on Dec 20, 2011 1:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Herb Dean
is one of the best REf’s you guys on here find anything to bitch about….. A great Ref is hardle noticed. Herb respects the sport and the fighters and knows what he is doing… U mother fuckers Hate on everything worse than bitches.
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