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MMA 101: Looking at the most used strikes prior to UFC on FOX debut

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On Nov. 12, 2011, Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) will make a giant leap toward carrying the sport of mixed martial arts (MMA) mainstream when it showcases a major world title fight, Cain Velasquez vs. Junior dos Santos, live (and free) on the FOX television network.

UFC on FOX 1: "Velasquez vs. dos Santos" will be the biggest heavyweight clash the sport has seen, as well as the first time two heavyweights that are ranked number one and number two, respectively, will compete for a title since Pride FC heavyweights Fedor Emelianenko and Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira collided almost seven years ago.

Since the birth of the sport, we have seen several martial arts disciplines invade and take it over, whether it's the Brazilian jiu-jitsu of Royce Gracie to the wrestling of Mark Coleman to the kickboxing of Mirko Filipovic. From there, it has been an art to integrate all forms of combat to become well rounded enough to compete at any level against any opponent.

MMA has a very diverse audience and most non-fringe fans today are very informed when it comes to knowing what is happening when two combatants step inside the Octagon. Whether it is grappling and submissions like we discussed yesterday, or whether it be the simple, subtleness of the striking game.

With striking phenom Junior Dos Santos and heavy-handed Cain Velasquez fighting on Saturday night, this is as good an opportunity as any to look at some of the most used strikes we may witness on primetime television from our living rooms.

Follow me into the extended entry for the breakdown, analysis and .gifs included:

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Every MMA fight starts standing, so all fighters must have at least the most rudimentary fundamentals down. Whether they study boxing, kickboxing or Muay Thai, the fighters have studied some sort of striking-based discipline.

Boxing is centered on the usage of just your hands as offensive weapons in addition to footwork and head movement as your defense. Fighters like B.J. Penn and Nick Diaz are shining examples of fighters who rarely throw kicks, but have a very boxing-oriented offensive attack. Jabs and straights are the main focus of these types of fighters, as well as evasive techniques to slip punches and find homes for their counters.

Kickboxing is built around utilizing your legs as additional weapons. Kick strikes to the head, body and legs focus on really neutralizing your opponent and allowing you to be versatile with two more limbs at your disposal. Fighters like Pat Barry and Cheick Kongo are just two of many fighters who have very strong kickboxing.

Muay Thai and Thai boxing is the art of eight limbs. The arts foundation is on the idea that each limb should be used in combat, not just the feet and hands, but also the knees and elbows. Anderson Silva and Mauricio Rua are two vicious Muay Thai fighters. As a result, they have more in their arsenals than most strikers being that they have much more options to use striking.

Dos Santos will main event the inaugural fight card on FOX this weekend. The number one heavyweight contender is on a tear as he has never lost since entering the UFC ranks. He has won eight fights straight overall, seven of those under the promotion dating back to Oct. 2008.

"Cigano" has outstruck each and every opponent during that time, including finishing five of those foes violently with strikes. Notorious for being considered one of the most dangerous strikers in the world, he will look to pry the title from current champion Cain Velasquez.

To do that he will need to unleash his striking arsenal on the champion.

Easily the most important strike in the combat world of striking is the jab. The jab is a lead punch that is thrown with your lead hand. It is the strike that lands quickest as the hand is usually the closest to your opponent. While it lacks the power of other strikes, its effectiveness is unparalleled to any other strike (For a very detailed breakdown on the jab, click here and here).

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Dos Santos fights out of the orthodox stance, which means his left leg and leg arm lead his body and his right side is angled backward. With the right hand further back from the lead hand, the added space allows more space to create more force and velocity. But, before talking too much about power, the lead hand is the most important hand for a fighter.

As you can see, dos Santos is snapping his lead left hand straight and parallel to the ground toward the face of his opponent. The lack of space between the hand and the face of the opponent makes the strike the hardest to anticipate and block. Even though it lacks power, it often accumulates damage as the fight wears on and can even cause damage such as cuts and swelling.

What dos Santos also does with these jabs is set up other strikes. With the jab in your face it is hard to anticipate what comes next. When you throw a strike immediately after the initial strike it is called a combination, which is what dos Santos delivers in this clip. He throws additional strikes, while stuffing the jab as far as he can into his opponents face, using it to blind him for the next punch, as well as get an idea as to the range he will need to throw it.

Such a subtle strike, with such significant implications.

The next series of punches usually thrown are the cross and the hook. The cross will usually follow a jab and is thrown with the rear hand, the power hand, and it will take a straight path to your opponent immediately behind the jab. A hook will be thrown by either hand and will usually be a combination finisher as it is thrown with a hooking motion from the side of your posture. It typically lands on the jaw or the temple at such an angle that it can render your opponent unconscious.

Dos Santos, however, has another devastating punch in his arsenal.

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In complete contrast to the jab, the uppercut is a strike that has violent power and is thrown with a longer wind up. It is rarely a strike you lead with, yet it is actually the most effective as a closing strike to a combination.

As you see dos Santos throws an angled jab, which could also be a lead hook, and follows up simultaneously with the uppercut. The strike is thrown in a sling shot motion from underneath the shoulder and parallel with the hips. The fist starts very low and is thrust in an arching motion upward and will more often than not land on the chin if not the nose. Such a powerful punch has put the long lists of opponents for dos Santos in worlds of troubles, including the likes of Mirko Cro Cop, Fabricio Werdum, Shane Carwin and the pictured Roy Nelson.

The strike is so dangerous for several other reasons. Against a power striker like dos Santos, it can at times become a habit to hide the head behind your gloves and make a ducking motion. Sometimes fighters with wrestling backgrounds like Velasquez make the habit of ducking under jabs and shooting for a takedown. Both are opportunities to land the uppercut.

Dos Santos doesn’t strictly use his hands either. A very effective kickboxer, the challenger also has showcased more of his arsenal.

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Throwing a head kick is very energy sapping; however, the power behind a kick often is a superior strike in terms of power. It is very common to have a kick blocked, but the power tends to still make a mark on the person you are kicking.

When you are attempting to avoid jabs and straight punches, it is easy to forget to protect the side of your head. The head kick ideally will land on the side of the face if not behind the ear and will cover a lot of area if the entire foot connects. In most instances the head kick will land with the shin which will deliver much more devastating power. Dos Santos here lands a kick that is partially blocked, but as you can see, the power still does damage and throws Carwin off balance.

Mixing up strikes only makes it harder to counter for the opponent and harder to get into a rhythm.

Before Junior dos Santos attempts to showcase his striking in his title fight during the main event of the evening, the undercard fighters will look to make their mark on this historic fight card.

One of those fighters is Cub Swanson, a fighter who hasn’t been able to stay healthy since WEC 52 where he won a solid fight over a fighter who has found some success since their fight under the UFC banner.

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Swanson highlights very effective elusive maneuvers in this small clip of his fight with Mackens Semerzier. He moves his body around, making for a very difficult target to hit. He wings big punches while moving to avoid the counters.

What he also does is show a technique perfect leg kick. This is another strike that is unheralded at times and is virtually the jab of the legs (For a break down of leg kicks click here).

Swanson plants his feet and launches his rear leg in a chopping motion directly at the area above the knee and below the mid-thigh. The strike not only stings but accumulated strikes make walking very difficult and takes the explosion out of strikes and takedowns. It is a case where an offensive strike actually works defensively, too.

Make sure to remember the simplest of strikes such as the jab and leg kick end up being game changers as they can dictate the pace of fights and can alter the direction with one well timed combination set up with one of these strikes.

For more on striking breakdowns, this fanposts are focused around the striking aspect of mixed martial arts. The body shot, range striking and Muay Thai basics.

That is all for now fight fans, these are just a few of the more common strikes you may see Saturday night for the UFC’s inaugural event on FOX. To read a detailed breakdown of the most frequent submission attempts that you may see on Saturday night click here.

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the most used strike after 126... the front kick haha

Good stuff ans reading these type of articles that point out the type of historical event its goin to b get me pumped…..EXTREME!!!! LETS GO DRINK SOME FUCKIN MOUNTAIN DEW

NICK DIAZ.... champ early 2012

by 209stk on Nov 8, 2011 8:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Great read ANS

 I’m so excited for this fight and I really have been going back and forth on who I think is going to win.

 Like most fights it’s going to come down to who dictates their fight, with JDS there is no doubt his element is standing and using his striking skills the question with me is will Cain take JDS out of his element or can Cain stand in JDS’s element and defeat JDS at in his own element??
 
 I expect Cain to come out and prove he is not scared to stand with JDS early and to do so he is going to get back to using his victious leg kicks to counter JDS jabs and other strikes…this is were I have been changing my mind day to day on what happens next but I’m tilting towards Cain as he has a more tactics in his toll box to use and even though he outclassed striking technique wise as far as effectiveness goes all it takes is one shot with him as well.

 I’m cheering for Cain but part of me wants to see Brock vs JDS for the belt!

"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn

by Puck Head on Nov 8, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Brock vs JDS for the belt!

Buahahaahaha.

DONT BE SCARED GSP......DIAZ IS THE GOAT

by Chorongota on Nov 9, 2011 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes I had him number 1 like 85% of reasonable and knowledgeable fans and analysts up until the the Werdum fight. Your point?

At least I dont go around stupid shit like “Brock was trying to pull guard like many BJJ masters have” when he did his ballerina route against Cain and when he ran from Carwin.

LOL

DONT BE SCARED GSP......DIAZ IS THE GOAT

by Chorongota on Nov 9, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't say like 85% of the knowlegable fans because this is not true

 Even it was those 85% just to say at least 84% of those guys can admit they were wrong.

 At least Brock steps in the ring vs the best and I don’t go around saying supid BS that fedor isn’t avoiding the best and rogers is a top ten LOL Fedor would not last a minute with Carwin or Cain :)

 So go to your fantasy world and believe that 85% of fans thought he was the best

"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2011 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Until Fedor lost to Bigfoot I thought he was the best in the world at HW

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 9, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Only the Fedor fanatics thought so, 90% of the rest of the MMA world was not fooled by M1's match making

Now Brock is fighting a man Fedor has been ducking, how on earth can you cut down Brock when at least he’s man enough to step in the cage with today’s best

"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I ain't cutting down Brock that's for sure.

Just cause he was crushing cans doesn’t mean he wasn’t the best. He just wasn’t fighting the best anymore. For a guy who’d been at the top for so long I needed to give him the benefit of the doubt.

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 9, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

He was on top when he was in Pride

 Regardless who thought how good he was it was proven in his last three fights with facts and some thoughts were right like mine and some were wrong.

"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I think we just said the same thing.

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 9, 2011 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

We were not talking about Pride, we were talking about Fedor when he faced AA and Rogers

 Many of us believed he was no longer the best as the sport has evolved Chor knows many of had this opinion as he was on mania under another name and knows this is true. One of the reasons he had to change names.

"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn

by Puck Head on Nov 9, 2011 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

you'll do fine!

but i’ll do better!~

I hate alot of whites and I hate alot of blacks, I hate pooping in public places, but we all hate that.

by stinky~fingers on Nov 9, 2011 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

At the third gif, I liked how jds was prepared

Look at his right hand,instead of keeping himself exposed after the kick, he was ready to punch, that is if carwin wanted to counter. Good technique by jds…

by aggiemma on Nov 9, 2011 3:15 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Too many mistakes for me to enjoy reading

1. Kicks should land with the shin, not the foot as you state with the dos santos kick.
2. cub swansons kick is not picture perfect, his hips dont turn over nearly as much as someone like barboza, cruz or even pearson for it to be a good example
3. The low kick is not the “jab of legs”. Its a powerful fight ending strike if used right. The jab equivalent for the legs is either the teep to the body, thigh, or stomp to the thigh much like condit used against hardy prior to knocking him out.
4. The low kick is never “unheralded”. At least not in the UFC. Joe rogan tends to scream something like “NICE leg kick” every single time one is thrown, even if its not that “nice”.

"I gotta be the bad guy. Point the finger. Make me the bad guy....the only reason I'm getting this fight is because everybody wants to see me take an ass whipping right about now."

by SuperShins on Nov 9, 2011 8:47 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I"ve heard the leg kick compared to the jab more times than I can remember

and since the other strikes you listed aren’t that prevalent in MMA I think the comparison is valid.

Also I agree about Joe, I get so tired of all the praise he gives someone like Forrest Griffin when his leg kicks don’t look all that great.

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 9, 2011 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

So do you mean you agree?

So do you mean you agree?

The leg kick is not a jab? or that it is misrepresented as one?
 
You lost me lol.

"I gotta be the bad guy. Point the finger. Make me the bad guy....the only reason I'm getting this fight is because everybody wants to see me take an ass whipping right about now."

by SuperShins on Nov 9, 2011 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

The comparison is valid

I mean yes I think you could call it the “jab of kicks”

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 9, 2011 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

aaaaaaaaaaaah,

I guess its pretty common, like the jab. But its so much stronger. I think of the jab as a set up punch, one to cover more powerful attacks and begin combinations, or to defend. You cant really do any of that effectively with a low kick. If you throw a naked kick, its easy to counter for example. Its better as a power shot, at the end of a combo. Though i see why people may say its the jab, cause of its commonality.

"I gotta be the bad guy. Point the finger. Make me the bad guy....the only reason I'm getting this fight is because everybody wants to see me take an ass whipping right about now."

by SuperShins on Nov 9, 2011 9:17 AM EST up reply actions  

But you can also use the kick as a range finder similar to the jab and simply to keep your opponent off balance. Also while I agree its a legit power shot most of the time it's the acumulated damage that the strike causes like the jab that makes it so eff

The only guys out there finishing fights with it are just monsters, kinda like Andy finishing people with jabs I guess.

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 9, 2011 9:30 AM EST up reply actions  

I reckon

it’s the inside leg kick thats a better range finder really, but its true, there are many different styles to be fair.

"I gotta be the bad guy. Point the finger. Make me the bad guy....the only reason I'm getting this fight is because everybody wants to see me take an ass whipping right about now."

by SuperShins on Nov 9, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Inside or outside, the leg kick still does several of the things a jab does

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Does not a low kick, set up a high kick, as a jab sets up power punches? Cerrone uses it this way pretty effectively, unless I’m just seeing feints from him that don’t exist.

by SprucesWild on Nov 9, 2011 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Low kicks set up head kicks, jabs set up power punches.

Isnt that exactly similar?

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Right cross sets up left hook

Body shot sets up head shot
Overhand right sets up takedown

Just because one technique sets up another doesnt make any of them anything like a jab.

"I gotta be the bad guy. Point the finger. Make me the bad guy....the only reason I'm getting this fight is because everybody wants to see me take an ass whipping right about now."

by SuperShins on Nov 9, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Sure it does.

Jab:
Range finder, sets up power shots, keeps opponent off balance and outside the pocket. Accumulates damage.

Leg kick:
Range finder, sets up power shots, keeps opponent off balance and outside the pocket. Accumulates damage.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

A technique used for the same purpose as another technique makes both those techniques “like” each other by definition. Sorry, but that’s just 5th grade grammar.

by SprucesWild on Nov 9, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Sounds right to me.

They are being used as synonyms so they would have to be “like” each other.

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 9, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

so every technique that sets up another technique is now "like" a jab.

Thats ridiculous

"I gotta be the bad guy. Point the finger. Make me the bad guy....the only reason I'm getting this fight is because everybody wants to see me take an ass whipping right about now."

by SuperShins on Nov 9, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

You're cherry picking that last statement

 in reference to ANS post both techniques do all of the above.

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 9, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I disagree. Techniques vary, there is no reason why you cannot land with the food. Of course ideally the shin should land flush but with the angle Dos Santos is throwing the foot is going to land clean and their is zero wrong with that.

Cub Swanson is technique perfect for mixed martial arts during a fight. Hardly ever are you going to see someone in the pocket with that much movement turn over on the kick. I dont think I have seen Cruz, Barbosa or Pearson turn on the kick while moving so fluid with the body. So I stand behind my statement.

The low kick is the jab of legs. That is my opinion. How many times do you see a leg kick end a fight? Rarely, if at all. I can think of maybe a handful of times. Instead the leg kick is often the first strike thrown, most times the inside leg kick. It is used as a range finder, it is used as a lead strike and it is often used to put the opponent off balance for a follow up strike. Just like a jab.

And finally, leg kicks are unheralded. That is again, my opinion. They arent used enough and they are rarely appreciated either. Rogan has nothing at all to do with it. Judges dont appreciate them and fighters dont utilize them nearly enough.

So I guess you need to realize a few things…. for starters, your opinions are no more correct then mine. And techniques vary. In a fight nobody expects execution on the exact perfection level. If I dont turn over on the kick because I am in a fire fight in the pocket the execution level will be expectedly be lower.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

One thing we can all agree on is that Cub is a bad mother.

And does he talk like a thug? He looks like he might sound like Paul Wall.

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 9, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Sometimes a lot of tattoo's are cool

But cub looks pretty hilarious, like he takes himself TOO serious. lol.

"I gotta be the bad guy. Point the finger. Make me the bad guy....the only reason I'm getting this fight is because everybody wants to see me take an ass whipping right about now."

by SuperShins on Nov 9, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol, sort of. I think the palm trees cause the accent

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Those are horrible prison looking tattoos, it does seem to add to his style though.

I just realized something, Bartimus is at 145 now. Bart/Cub needs to happen, god that would be a barn burner of a fight.

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 9, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Cub needs to just stay healthy. That is really the most important thing.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

What happed to him that he had to drop the Koch fight twice?

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 9, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Well for one he broke one side of his whole face

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Against Mackens or in training?

Or did he stop a train with his face?

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 9, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

In training. Freak accident really. But injuries happen, just cant wait to see Cub in there again.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

It was kinda funny the first time I remember seeing Cub was the Aldo fight. I thought he was much of a talent, yeah I was way off. He’s one of the WEC’s funner fighters to watch.

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 9, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Well the thing is Aldo is a monster. Actually, I dont want to say this the wrong way but Aldo was a guy alot of people I know turned down around that time.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not surprised.

Unknown and brutal isn’t good for your career I would assume

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 9, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions  

My fourth point is opinion, fair enough.

The rests are facts based on perfect technique, thats what I was talking about. Just because it is performed badly by a lot of fighters, doesnt mean it cannot be done perfectly, and a handful of them do. And, your point about a head kick stated:
“The head kick ideally will land on the side of the face if not behind the ear and will cover a lot of area if the entire foot connects”. This was not a point on dos santos’ kick, it was a blanket statement about how all kicks should be. Which is incorrect.

Also, zero wrong with dos santos kick? The foot is flexible, it bends back on impact:
1. Absorbing some of the impact, taking KO power from the strike
2. Risking unneccessary damage to the foot. There are 206 bones in the human body. 28 of them are in the foot. Thats a high percentage chance somethings getting hurt.

So there’s a lot wrong with it.

"I gotta be the bad guy. Point the finger. Make me the bad guy....the only reason I'm getting this fight is because everybody wants to see me take an ass whipping right about now."

by SuperShins on Nov 9, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah it was great, nothing taken away from junior at all.

I’m just talking about what perfect technique ACTUALLY is, v.s. what ANS says it is.

"I gotta be the bad guy. Point the finger. Make me the bad guy....the only reason I'm getting this fight is because everybody wants to see me take an ass whipping right about now."

by SuperShins on Nov 9, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't have a leg to stand on in this debate so I'll defer to you two.

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 9, 2011 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I actually didnt say Junior’s was perfect technique did I?

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Honestly and truly this is really pretty boring so i'll say exactly what i mean, then we can all move on.

You made statements on what perfect technique is. Not all of them. But some of them.

They were untrue and I disagreed. The fact you “land with the foot all the time” is still wrong, even if you do it all the time. I’m simply stating what is actual, correct technique. I know its not always possible to hit right every time, i never did.

The end.

"I gotta be the bad guy. Point the finger. Make me the bad guy....the only reason I'm getting this fight is because everybody wants to see me take an ass whipping right about now."

by SuperShins on Nov 9, 2011 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

That isnt the end. You arent getting my side of it. I said when you are in a fight it is hard to mirror the technique taught in training but that doesnt make it less perfect.

In training I have a still opponent, or a compliant one at least. In a fight my kick isnt going to land where I want it each time.

I never even said JDS had perfect technique while actually I should have seeing as he is a big HW and uses his hips and flexability perfectly. Techniques are taught differently so what I said isnt untrue and neither is what you said.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

So if we're both right or both wrong why on earth does it matter to you so much?

It’s done man, dont worry about it.

"I gotta be the bad guy. Point the finger. Make me the bad guy....the only reason I'm getting this fight is because everybody wants to see me take an ass whipping right about now."

by SuperShins on Nov 9, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

It doesnt matter like effect me, I just thought we were having a nice convo. Maybe you should do a fanpost on effective technique for kicks? You seem to know alot, how about share some with the community here?

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

My background is muay thai before I did Jiu Jitsu etc.

And in thailand when you fight (and I dont neccessarily agree with this on a fight basis) you are also judged and scored points on execution of perfect technique. So it’s something i’ve focused on alot. I know you cant always do it, I cant either all the time. I was just stating what is right, and what is not, thats all.

"I gotta be the bad guy. Point the finger. Make me the bad guy....the only reason I'm getting this fight is because everybody wants to see me take an ass whipping right about now."

by SuperShins on Nov 9, 2011 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

And it is much appreciated it. Would really like to see a fanpost.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I'll get on it man, no problem.

"I gotta be the bad guy. Point the finger. Make me the bad guy....the only reason I'm getting this fight is because everybody wants to see me take an ass whipping right about now."

by SuperShins on Nov 9, 2011 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

haha

hey buddy, lets see what I can rustle up. Maybe a simpler article to begin with…something on kicking technique might be quite good, how can I add gifs to a post? is it just a copy and paste deal? or is there an option?

"I gotta be the bad guy. Point the finger. Make me the bad guy....the only reason I'm getting this fight is because everybody wants to see me take an ass whipping right about now."

by SuperShins on Nov 10, 2011 4:48 AM EST up reply actions  

In the fanposts section

there is a picture of a TV. click on that and copy the address of the gif (right click on image, go to properties, highlight the address, right click copy) and paste it into the URL line.

I think you should use a gif from your fight, but I don’t know how to make gif’s…I seem to recall a pretty good teep in the first round.

Then you have to out yourself as a professional fighter…oh wait…;)

by Eoghan on Nov 10, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah

and put myself at the mercy of the maniacs.
The horror…

"I gotta be the bad guy. Point the finger. Make me the bad guy....the only reason I'm getting this fight is because everybody wants to see me take an ass whipping right about now."

by SuperShins on Nov 10, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

If the foot lands its fine, is it the best in terms of power? No, but when he landed it with the foot did it do what it was intended too? Yes, it did. I land with the foot all the time.

Here is the thing.

Is it taught to land the shin so to maximize power? Sure. When you are in a fight and the foot lands instead can the technique still be great? Also, sure. When you are in a fist fight nothing is really going to be perfect. Junior’s jabs arent all technique perfect but they sure all in a fist fight. I bet he would be corrected in camp and applauded in the fight.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

You should stop doing that.

Perhaps your sparring partners arent checking right, because after one or two checks I can almost guarantee you’ll break something down there.

And like SS said, you’ll get more of an impact if you connect with your shin.

DONT BE SCARED GSP......DIAZ IS THE GOAT

by Chorongota on Nov 9, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

What i was taught was that any snap or side kick

targeted at ankle, shin, or knee was comparable to a jab in boxing

by dragonassault on Nov 9, 2011 10:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That isnt wrong, it could be used in that same way. A teep as well.

"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson

by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

You are wrong yourself.

Kicks do not have to be with the shin. Ask any good Karate practitioner. Kicking with the ball of foot makes more sense in some circumstances than using your shins, curl your toes. This makes more force because you are hitting with a smaller surface area and also buys you some reach advantage as well. It is the same reason you don’t try to punch with the whole surface area of your fist and try to condense it to a knuckle or two. So, before you get all high and mighty on yourself, you should check yourself.

IF YOU THINK REEM SHOULD BE RATED ANY HIGHER THAN AROUND THE #5 HEAVYWEIGHT (AND THAT IS STRETCHING IT) THEN YOU ARE A FLIPPIN MORON, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

by Edgecrusher71 on Nov 9, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you edge + a lot

Saying you shouldn’t kick with your foot here and there is like saying you should only strike with your elbow in arm strikes .

"When swinging from nut-sack of the mighty "Quittin" Rampage Jackson, try to avoid getting his ball-sweat in your eyes….it tends to blind you from the obvious. Now, if I could just play a round of golf with my dream foursome of Chael Sonnen, Larry Merchant and Danago, I can die a happy man."

by wooly shambler on Nov 9, 2011 10:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

People get so wrapped up in 1 certain style of doing something is the right way which is fucking wrong and ignorant!

No one art has the right style or the perfect style… it is just their style.

IF YOU THINK REEM SHOULD BE RATED ANY HIGHER THAN AROUND THE #5 HEAVYWEIGHT (AND THAT IS STRETCHING IT) THEN YOU ARE A FLIPPIN MORON, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

by Edgecrusher71 on Nov 9, 2011 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

The greatest style is to have no style, like Kareem

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Nov 9, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Just a progressive dynamic style. That is ever evolving.

It has been interesting to watch in my case. The art I have studied the most under is Jukite Jujitsu and there was a big rift between the 2 highest belts in the system. One wanted keep it “traditional” in its teaching (stagnant) and the other turned the dojo over to his son as Lead instructor their gym is actually called Dynamic Martial Arts and they do MMA, BJJ, Muay-Thai, Karate, Jukite Jujitsu. It is a great community of martial artists (the way it should be imo). They have had 1 guy get to the WEC ranks and went 0-2 and was cut (wasn’t against bums. Short notice loss to Wagnney Fabiano and a loss to Michael McDonald). They really do keep it dynamic and a technique comes across and they feel it is an effective and good technique, they will adopt it to the curriculum.

IF YOU THINK REEM SHOULD BE RATED ANY HIGHER THAN AROUND THE #5 HEAVYWEIGHT (AND THAT IS STRETCHING IT) THEN YOU ARE A FLIPPIN MORON, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

by Edgecrusher71 on Nov 9, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

So do you mean you agree?

The leg kick is not a jab? or that it is misrepresented as one?

You lost me lol.

"I gotta be the bad guy. Point the finger. Make me the bad guy....the only reason I'm getting this fight is because everybody wants to see me take an ass whipping right about now."

by SuperShins on Nov 9, 2011 9:09 AM EST reply actions  

why cant I be tested at school on MMA knowledge? Id get all A’s

-insert clever sig here-

by Hushh on Nov 9, 2011 2:54 PM EST reply actions  

this whole event is going to be crazy

get a pen and paper and start writing the good stuff Goldie comes up with on Fox

Chael Sonnen

by Newfie3 on Nov 9, 2011 4:09 PM EST reply actions  

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