Georges St. Pierre: Two Sides to Every Coin
by Eoghan on Nov 8, 2011 4:45 PM EST
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Georges St. Pierre is the greatest welterweight mixed martial arts (MMA) fighter to ever live.
Holding a 22-2 record, and avenging both of those losses, "GSP" has defended his championship six consecutive times, but has come under fire for being a point fighter. Since regaining the 170-pound title from Matt Serra, every one of St. Pierre's title defenses have come by way of decision, not including the corner stoppage of B.J. Penn
In fact, until Jake Shields won two of five rounds against him, the champion did not lose a round on all the judges scorecards for 130 consecutive minutes. Let that soak in. "GSP" did not lose for over two hours of professional fighting. That, in itself, is an amazing accomplishment.
Many fans still clamor for more, though, and St. Pierre is to blame. He is expected to finish fights. As an up-and-coming fighter, he made his name by finishing fights. When he was 7-0, with six stoppages, he was given a title shot against legendary former welterweight champion Matt Hughes. While St. Pierre did not attain victory, he came back strong after his first professional defeat, going 5-0 with three stoppages, to earn another shot at Hughes, who he subsequently finished by way of strikes. The new breed welterweight champion was born.
But then Matt Serra comes along and messes everything up. I won't bore you with the details, but "Rush" did, in fact, tap to strikes.
Where am I going with this, you say? Well, St. Pierre fights in arguably the toughest division in MMA. His opponents have been the best fighters available to him. But how tough were his opponents, exactly? Are these guys getting knocked out or submitted on a regular basis? Should "GSP" be finishing these fighters?
Come with me after the jump to find out.
Before poking St. Pierre in the eye, Jake Shields had not been stopped in a professional fight since 2000. More than 11 years passed between that stoppage and fighting the welterweight king. Carlos Condit, Dan Henderson, Paul Daley, Robbie Lawler, Yushin Okami, Martin Kampmann, Mike Pyle and Nick Thompson couldn't stop him.
Hell, they couldn't even beat him.
"Hendo," the guy who just knocked out Fedor freaking Emelianenko, had Shields on Queer Street for the majority of the first round in their fight and couldn't finish, but "GSP" was supposed to?
Really?
Josh Koscheck has been finished twice in his career. Once by a Drew Fickett rear-naked choke in 2005 and once by knockout at the hands of Paulo Thiago in February 2009, which you can see below.
Did anyone really think Koscheck would take anyone that lightly again? He has fought two very accomplished power punchers since. Anthony Johnson thought "Kos" would box with him and got choked out for it. Paul Daley did, as well, and lost his job after Koscheck was unwilling to walk into any of his punches.
Yet and still, I don't hear anyone talking about Koscheck's inability to finish fights. Of course, he gets guys like Trigg and Hughes, both well past their prime, to pad his finishing rate. That's a luxury St. Pierre will never have.
Granted, "GSP" broke Koscheck's orbital bone in the first round and probably should have been able to take advantage, but better punchers couldn't knock Koscheck out, so he gets a pass on that.
St. Pierre should have finished Dan Hardy. There is no excuse for not snapping his arm off when he had the chance to do so. That armbar was deeper than the one against Hughes and the French-Canadian had no problem torquing it to submission. Maybe he really is mental.
"Ultimate Submissions" expert AintNoSunshine would call that a great escape. I am not buying it.
Thiago Alves has been stopped four times in his career, three by way of submission and one technical knockout at the mercy of a Jon Fitch upkick. Some will say that Alves is tailor made to lose to St. Pierre. He has subsequently been grinded to decision losses by Fitch and Rick Story, although the latter did trade blows more than the others. Smart? Who knows, but Ricky still won.
This fight was a point fight, plain and simple. Greg Jackson repeatedly called for "GSP" to stay in full guard and pass to half with 30 seconds left in the round. St. Pierre did not take any chances at any point in the fight where Alves could have gotten any kind of advantage. Granted, he did so while grappling with a torn muscle in his leg but this fight exemplifies why he's earned the monicker Georges "Safe" Pierre.
"GSP" did not stop this fight. Penn's corner did. Would it a finish have occurred had it made it to the fifth round? Maybe. The same conjecture here tells me that Fitch and Diaz would have stopped B.J. had their fights gone to a fourth round, but that's all that is -- conjecture. Both fights went to three round decisions.
"The Prodigy" has fought at every weight class imaginable and he's only ever been stopped once. And Penn was dominating that fight until suffering a rib injury.
Jon Fitch is a tough bastard. He is also the greatest welterweight bridesmaid MMA has ever seen. Enduring the longest tenure as the number two ranked fighter in any division without winning the belt, Fitch has never lost, let alone get finished, at 170-pounds in his career. His only stoppage losses came at 205-pounds to eventual UFC fighters Wilson Gouveia and Mike Pyle.
That was in 2002.
There is no reason to believe that St. Pierre should have finished Fitch. Although Fitch did say "Rush" came close with the following flurry and that he was never able to fully recover due to the relentless pressure from the champion:
There it is in a nutshell. Six opponents who have had 169 combined fights who have collectively been stopped a total of 17 times. These fighters have only been stopped nine times since entering the UFC, fighting at the highest level. Should St. Pierre have finished more than one of these fights? In my opinion, yes, he should have. Dan Hardy, I am looking at you.
So "GSP" should have been 6-0 with two stoppages, maybe three if Koscheck is included. Does that really change the argument?
There are two sides to every coin. Supporters of St. Pierre, like myself, will point to how tough his opponents have been. The numbers don't lie. His opponents are tough guys.
"GSP" detractors, on the other hand, will point to failed submission attempts and safe, gameplanned fights that make him so deserving of criticism.
Either way, there is no discounting St. Pierre's accomplishments in MMA. He truly is only eclipsed by Anderson Silva as the best fighter in the world.
If only he had the same killer instinct.
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excellent piece
but i whole heartly disagree with this:
Jon Fitch is a tough bastard. He is also the greatest bridesmaid MMA has ever seen
that would be florian: three engagements, no lock just yet. Fitch is getting fucked by dana white and he has only had one shot at the title if anything, fitch is the greatest robbery dana has ever commited.
by ihatepressingf5 on Nov 8, 2011 11:29 AM EST reply actions
Let him finish a fight or two and then we can start talking.
DONT BE SCARED GSP......DIAZ IS THE GOAT
i'm pretty aware he doesn't finish fights as often
but he does break people down, it’s amazing. Fitch is a sadistic fuck and he’s relentless, such a joy to watch him go to town, he’s like a vicious dog (minus the killer instinct) and he takes some great beatdowns every now and then, how could you not love the guy?
by ihatepressingf5 on Nov 8, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed 100%
I want to see Fitch/GSP II just to see how Fitch does without getting caught so early in the fight.
that fight would look a lot like Shields/GSP
with GSP catching him early again and FINISHING him!! just kidding…he would beat him up and decision
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If the champ ain't finishing fights why should the contenders be forced to to earn a shot at him?
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Its the only way Fitch has a chance to win.
He has done nothing to show that a rematch with the champ wouldnt go the same way.
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Absolutely right
Fitch lacks the skills to do much more than grind his opponent for three rounds. GSP is allegedly the most well-rounded fighter ever, and he doesn’t do much more than what Fitch does.
This would be like asking two people to build a house, one guy using the full Bob Vila Craftsman collection, the other using a Fisher Price Daddy’s L’il Helper tool set, and they both produce the exact same house.
At least I am better than kevjack at making picks. I am satisfied with that.
So Pito SIlva
gets dominated by fringe contender and overall mediocre fighter in Sonnen for 4.5 rounds and still keeps the title of p4p? Whilst GSP OUTCLASSES his opponents to the point where they are completely shut down and he still is number 2?
Haha peu-lease, give GSP the type of competition Silva has been getting, and I guarantee he gets as much finishes. If anything Anderson has taken backseats to GSP, Aldo, and even Frankie.
I am not buying that it was a good escape.
Actually it was, also the way GSP crossed his feet was a big no-no.
DONT BE SCARED GSP......DIAZ IS THE GOAT
So then all of the middleweight division is below mediocre, except for Silva and Sonnen (who is mediocre)?
Since Okami, Nate and Stann were all top 6 fighters when Sonnen manhandled them.
Top 6 fighters in a shit division…..doesnt say much.
And when you have a record of 27-11 then yes, I would say you have underachieved.
DONT BE SCARED GSP......DIAZ IS THE GOAT
In comparison to what?
He has fought for hte title in every organization he has fought. He can only fight who is in front of him. besides, of those 11 losses, only 4 have been at 185.
Why do records matter so much? I have the most respect for guys with records that show their quality of opponents. Not so much the result. Would you rather be 10-0 with 10 easy opponents, or would you rather be say.. 6-4 but your record is full of guys top ranked and respected.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
That as well. Which is why I am a BJ Penn fan. He has fought from 155-HW
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
he fought heavyweight?
Yeah but Penn’s willingness to fight anyone at anyweight has been his downfall aswell. Saka is a lot the same
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by Lesnar's striking coach on Nov 8, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
He weighed like 197 to Machida’s 220
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
Crazy..how fat did he look i’ve seen the fight but youre a bigger Penn fan then me
"with a good physique and explosiveness anybody can perform a takedown"
-RoBerto
by Lesnar's striking coach on Nov 8, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty damn big. And Machida tossed him around to a clear unanimous but Penn caught Machida a ton of times.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Haha i have t re-watch that.
"with a good physique and explosiveness anybody can perform a takedown"
-RoBerto
by Lesnar's striking coach on Nov 8, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe I saw the 1 and mentally altered it to a 1.
My mind is guilty of that at times
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
This guy is bigger than 85% of his opponents. If not more.
And thats wat I was getting at ANS, sure it looks nice to say Anderson was only the first or 2nd to finish this or that guy, but when you look closely at those guys that have only been finished once or twice, you will see that the reason for that is because of the lack of credible competition they have fed on in the MW division.
DONT BE SCARED GSP......DIAZ IS THE GOAT
Bad picture to show. Forrest dwarfs Anderson Silva.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
not really
especially when you consider Silva spent time at 167 and Forrest is possibly the biggest LHW in the game.
What?
No he doesnt? o.O if anything it just shows how big Anderson is compared to others at MW. Forrest is the second biggest LHW around!
DONT BE SCARED GSP......DIAZ IS THE GOAT
Weigh ins are not the time to compare bodies. Off peak time or fight time is the only times comparing body size means anything at all.
You should have seen Pulver at 135. He looked like he was about to die. Then he rehydrates and he is way bigger then the 145ers on the card.
Dehydration alters the body dramatically. Forrest dwarfs Anderson
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Forrest Cuts from 230 to 205 Anderson maybe 220 and at 220 doesn’t have the same build.
"with a good physique and explosiveness anybody can perform a takedown"
-RoBerto
by Lesnar's striking coach on Nov 8, 2011 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
I have heard that Forrest cuts from ten pounds heavier then the 230 you said.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
hah prolly he is a big redneck who enjoys beer and bbq like everyone of us red blooded yanks.
"with a good physique and explosiveness anybody can perform a takedown"
-RoBerto
by Lesnar's striking coach on Nov 8, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
mazerolle79
bahhhhh wow me him you boo hoo who give 2 shits they fight for a sport like a sssppoorrt ge it you are an athlite or not or a dork with a punch wich is funny go out take 1 or 2 peps try and run them overe by anny way means thats when you know you have a gift 2 survive true thing there all tough in there own respect..
by Fred Mazerolle on Nov 9, 2011 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
Kos was finished by Drew Fickett
Fickett ain’t even “credible competition” and he finished Kos.
Paulo Thiago is no world class striker and he KO’d Kos.
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Fickett’s grappling is credible actually. Lol, just throwing that in there
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Not to mention Kos was seconds from winning a dominant decision until that desparation knee. It was a hail mary pass at the end of the game. Kos was so new at the time and only knew to shoot for takedown and got caught.
by Mayhem chimpanzee on Nov 8, 2011 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
hey atleast as stepped up in weight
Something gsp is scared to do
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by 209stk on Nov 8, 2011 1:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No, scared is
jumping a guy in the ring with your buddies and then when he calls you out, you say he’s not in your division. And don’t put a mic in his face, he’ll piss his pants or say he doesn’t know where he is.
no scared is askin for a fight at mw and a guy from A LOWER WEIGHT CLASS STEPPING UP!(im lookin at u gsp?)
To offer to fight u at 183 for fuck sakes and u still dnt take it thats scared
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by 209stk on Nov 8, 2011 6:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Scared seems to be saying you want to fight a guy and when he agrees, you add a bunch of extra stipulations like extra dehydration. Or saying you need to get paid more (even though you try to start shit in the back halls of arena with the guy when you aren’t getting paid anything….but you do have your homies with you.)
by Mayhem chimpanzee on Nov 8, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
ok so if mayhem really "wanted" to fight nick he could of @183
Did he nooo he didn’t.. y cuz he scared homie… we cali thugs here son gtfo with that homeboy shit… we like pac and we say the same shit u ain’t shit without ur homeboys
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by 209stk on Nov 8, 2011 7:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If that is a picture of u then scared is if a third grader stood up to u for that weak ass stache
by UltimateHuggingChampionship on Nov 8, 2011 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
i guess when god made u he left out clever
And yeah that’s me from 2009 i was 19 then were u hangin around future champs at 19 ?.. mad cuz im full of youth and ur old ass is on the wrong side of Forty. … haha hey oldie how does it feel to b old as shit i mean we all know u need viagra just for a stiffy… my shit stays rock hard something u can only reminisce about haha
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by 209stk on Nov 8, 2011 7:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would smash u turd but that's besides the point
I don’t care who u get pictures with
by UltimateHuggingChampionship on Nov 8, 2011 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
u can try but u will get jumped before u even had time
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by 209stk on Nov 8, 2011 7:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ok tough guy.
U wanna see tough then come to SD or some NSW PT bitch
by UltimateHuggingChampionship on Nov 8, 2011 7:46 PM EST up reply actions
haha this guy aanand u mmemeamean ssasan ddidiediegdiego
Calling me the tough guy when he said he will smash me ha! And i would like to come see u but the problem is ur aberevations are not popular so nobody knows what they are. .. if u said….and im lookin at u huggie"u wanna see tough ok come to the 209 and get schooled in some gracie jj "… then everybody will know were im whoops. ..were u are. .. nobody gives a shit about sd or nwp son get real
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by 209stk on Nov 8, 2011 7:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No one cares if u train bjj. I bet over half the people on here do
Gracie jj is gonna get swallowed by 10th planet son! Mark my words. Give it a few years.
by UltimateHuggingChampionship on Nov 8, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
idnt train jj i just said u can come get schooled in some in the 209
See what happens when u assume u look stupid
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by 209stk on Nov 8, 2011 8:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Let's get this straights
Don’t train ur u call people scared. How do u have room to talk u twerp
by UltimateHuggingChampionship on Nov 8, 2011 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
not the sharpest knife in the drawer huh
Idnt train in bjj doesn’t mean idnt kickbox… go hug some nuts u fucking bitch ass faget
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by 209stk on Nov 9, 2011 2:38 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
iknow excuse that
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by 209stk on Nov 8, 2011 8:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Scared could also be seen as not showing up to a press conference knowing what is gonna happen if u don't
I don’t think nick is scared of anyone but seeing u in that pic and calling GSP scared is absolutely prescious! U look like u still feed off ur moms tit!
by UltimateHuggingChampionship on Nov 8, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Do you have something with a better angle?
I don’t see him cross his feet but maybe for a split second before he torques the arm.
Split seconds matter
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
crossing your legs
creates space and puts about half the pressure on the joint…awful idea, a beginners mistake that i still make occasionally and regret it every time
We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.
Dont make me re-tell the cross the feet on the RNC and being calf cranked story lol
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
cross the feet on the RNC and being calf cranked story
Hate that bullshit.
DONT BE SCARED GSP......DIAZ IS THE GOAT
Yeah, you hate it. But try it when you are about to finish someone you’ve never finished before then that happens. I was pist
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
im not lol
its happened to me too, not from actually having it locked in though…i took the back and the guy tried to go out the back door so i crossed my feet to stay on…then he went for my ankle and i lost the position
We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.
Funny
Silva “gets dominated by a fringe contender and overall mediocre fighter”.
Silva still WON that fight, Silva still FINISHED that fight.
Just saying.
Only Hughes has ever finished BJ before this fight. BJ had a broken rib.
Hughes broke BJ’s rib in their 2nd fight? I didn’t know that.
Also as far as the Kos fight goes one could make the argument that the doctor should have stopped the fight
I don't know, Marge. Trying is the first step towards failure.
BJ seperated his rib doing a sweep
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
I've only read part of this article so far, but feel the need to comment already
(Stay with me, this is not a glorified “I love GSP” article)
So far it is. Hopefully something changes.
And now onto the thing that pisses me off when people defend GSP for not finishing people. They always say “Well, his opponents were not finished often, so that’s why he wasn’t able to”. Ohhhh, so fighters that get finished all the time are the types of fighters that deserve title shots? GSP is the champ so he faces the number one contender. Usually the number one contender is on a winning streak, not a getting finished streak. This is simply a sad excuse used by GSP fans.
This same Jake Shields that is impossible to finish was flattened by Ellenberger in less than a minute. GSP had 25 minutes and he couldn’t even rock Shields, never mind KO him.
If you want to be considered the greatest of all time, you better fucking finish a fight. On that note, we are currently witnessing the two greatest of all time – Anderson Silva and Jon Jones. Lets first take a look at Jon Jones.
Shogun had never been finished due to strikes.
Bader had never been finished in his career.
Vladimir Matyushenko has over 30 pro MMA fights and had only been finished twice
Brandon Vera had only been finished once and it was a questionable stoppage.
Matt Hamill had only been finished once in his career.
And you know what all of them have in common???
They were all DOMINATED AND FINISHED by Jon Jones.
Jon Jones is an exciting, dominant champ that finishes fights.
GSP is simply a dominant champ that fights the safest way possible to retain his title
Within the next year, the 24 year old Jon Jones will EASILY surprass GSP as the most popular MMA fighter.
So much more to say, but I’ll keep reading for now. I’ll be back.
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Seems simpler to only write that, no?
You tried to explain why GSP doesn't finish fights, and failed
Its an awful excuse.
The fighters that Jon Jones is facing have not been finished much at all in their careers and he is finishing every single of of them. How can this be? According to you, these guys should be impossible to finish, despite the fact that they have been finished by fighters not as “great” as GSP or Jones. So why couldn’t GSP finish them? The reason is because HE DOESN"T FUCKING TRY TO!!!!!!!!!!!! Its that simple.
And don’t you think it would have been a lot easier to write that as a comment somewhere instead of creating a GSP nuthugging fan post that you obviously spent time on?
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No excuses, and only a little nuthugging.
He should have finished more fights, IMO and tha article states that.
Should have…
Easy to say when you aren’t the one in the cage. What if GSP really tries to go after Koscheck to finish and BAM gets caught. What if he decides to stand a little more with Hardy and BAM gets caught?
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
One guy in the UFC did get caught by Hardy lol
How can a blind man really generate a good punch when he cant even see you?
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by Lesnar's striking coach on Nov 8, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
He is the most dangerous that way. When someone is blindly throwing bombs he is the most dangerous man in the cage.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
He is a perfect example. Watch the Terry Martin fight, or hell even the Simpson fight. You try so hard to finish then you get caught.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
i still love that man, despite saturday
i really do wanna train with him one day…maybe then i can kidnap him and hand him to weidman so he can learn some goddamn wrestling
We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.
I think he wrestles well. He took Munoz down. He doesnt have bad takedowns or defense but his strikes are so full of committment that he leaves his legs and posture ripe for a takedown
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
We talking Leben?
Because people thinking he quit is a joke, he got off his back with ease at times.
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by Lesnar's striking coach on Nov 8, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
i guess that could be true
but in that case, he still needs to learn how to commit without overcommitting…you cant tell me that with the amount of power that man has in his left hand, he could take just a smidge off of it in order to be prepared to sprawl and still knock somebodys head off
We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.
He could. But that is where his personal lack of discipline comes into play
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
hes a brawler
if he became a sprawl and brawler, and devoted a bit more time to TDD, i think he beats everybody in the division except for silva and maybe sonnen
We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.
Great off his bac
I just think he isn’t that great an athlete plus the wear and tear of cutting weight, drinking party and fighting for years have left a bad slate for the sober Leben
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by Lesnar's striking coach on Nov 8, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Even Stann?
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
hmm...
i dont remember that fight well enough to make that decision, but i would tend to think a rematch could go differently
We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.
Stann absolutely ran through him, that made me doubt Leben as a guy who can consistently stay at the top level of the division
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
well i remember it wasnt close haha
and i remember stann putting him out against the cage…i just dont remember the lead up to that point
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As much as I like Leben,
and I have rooted for him in every single fight from day one, I doubt the fight with Stann would go any differently. Leben is just too damn slow with his punches, you can see them coming from a mile away. People said he was slower in that fight because he was ill, I am a big fan, and I really did not notice much difference in his speed at all. Against Munoz again, he lacks any sort of speed at all, and that is why I think Stann would beat him again, because as well as having the power, he is just quicker with his punches than Leben.
by Ade on Nov 9, 2011 2:42 AM EST up reply actions
I thought I read Leben had the flu in the days leading up to that fight with Stann. The info got leaked but Leben wasn’t the one to mention it, which I believe since he doesn’t seem to be an “excuse” guy.
by Mayhem chimpanzee on Nov 8, 2011 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
GSP can see what he is doing, KOS was swiping at nothing and GSP could have put together more then a jab..everybody hates Vitali and Wlad.
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by Lesnar's striking coach on Nov 8, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Koscheck was winging over hands. Those are lethal. You dont get inside. You pick your shots and win.
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Or pick apart with one vicious combo and leave them unconscious for throwing caution to the wind
But some fighters aren’t capable of such.
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If you dont think GSP is capable of finishing then you are crazy VM. Watch him throw strikes at Hieron before he was a champion and understand the guy trains with Muay Thai World Champions…. he has the ability.
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
He may have the ability but he is no longer capable of implementing it.
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That is the whole point.
I was one of the biggest GSP fans, his early days he was fearless and he had that killer instinct. Serra puts him out and he completely has a mental breakdown and will never put himself in that situation again. He had to get a psychiatrist just to help him out after that, like he seriously is that afraid now.
“He has the ability” – that’s the whole point. He DOES have the ability but still won’t do it, that is what is frustrating to watch.
When you watch Silva, Jon Jones, Cain, JDS, fight, there’s just this undeniable charisma about them in the octagon that pours thru the TV. They are so confident in themselves, so confident in their training, so confidants in their abilities they literally have a smile on their face and are just having fun. Not afraid to do things they’ve trained and showcase their skills, with every strike having bad intentions written all over it. GSP doesn’t have any of that, an Rhys why people say he is safe, and it’s true. He’s literally scared to try, you can see it!
That is why people call him a safe fighter, because he is it’s the truth. I always defended GSP but it’s to the point where it’s undeniable now, it’s night and day. I really do think that GSP wants to finish fights but once that cage closes and it’s gametime, he mentally breaks and it’s sad because I think GSP has more than enough skill and ability to be the top P4P KingPin and the greatest UFC Fighter ever.
But when you got guys like jones and Silva who continuously finish their opponents, he never will be. I sure hope he turns it around.
by xMMAxTYSONxMMA on Nov 9, 2011 2:08 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
it’s sad because I think GSP has more than enough skill and ability to be the top P4P KingPin and the greatest UFC Fighter ever.
He is well on his way to doing that anyways.
Chael Sonnen
There is nobody outside of Canada saying GSP is the top lb for lb fighter or that he will be
Anderson is number one. And Jon Jones will be number one.
His only hopes to ever be considered the top lb for lb fighter is if Anderson Silva loses in the next year or so. GSP would then move up to #1 for a few months until Jon Jones finishes Rashad in devastating fashion and becomes and remains the top lb for lb fighter.
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He DOES have the ability but still won’t do it, that is what is frustrating to watch.
This is precisely what I have been saying for quite some time now. I don’t hate GSP, no matter what Yan might say, but he frustrates the ever-loving piss out of me by not finishing horribly overmatched opponents.
At least I am better than kevjack at making picks. I am satisfied with that.
Yan might say that I hate GSP
And Yan might say that I hate Yan.
Yan would be right on both counts. ;-)
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Last I checked
GSP didn’t have a whole lot of KO power. He’s not a submission master, either. May have something to do with the lack of finishes against solid/really good opponents.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
A one-eyed Koscheck? A Fitch who can only wrestle and has nothing in his bag once wrestling is taken away? A lightweight?
At least I am better than kevjack at making picks. I am satisfied with that.
wow
So no credit for the damage to the eye, huh? And Kos was completely on the defensive after that. Tough to finish a tough fighter who takes zero risks and stays on the defensive.
And yeah……that Fitch is a real bum. So easy to finish. Look at all of his losses.
And by LW, do you mean BJ, who was TKO’d by GSP? Or did you mean Sherk, who was TKO’d by GSP?
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
23 minutes against a guy who is an inferior fighter to begin with AND can’t see out of his right eye? Yes, he damn well better finish that fight but he couldn’t. He couldn’t force Penn to tap or make the ref step in and end it. Same with Fitch.
At least I am better than kevjack at making picks. I am satisfied with that.
by P-Dub on Nov 9, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Kos was completely on the defensive after that. Tough to finish a tough fighter who takes zero risks and stays on the defensive.
Who has finished Fitch in the UFC?
And call me crazy, but I think it’s worse when you quit on the stool than if you were to tap yourself or have the ref stop you. And BJ’s only been stopped once ever in his career. Are you really this big of an idiot? Yes….yes you are.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Prior to fighting GSP, in Fitch's two losses, he was finished both times
His finished to lost ratio was 100%.
He fought GSP and GSP couldn’t finish him.
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Holy crap!
Did you just turn that into a negative? So you may as well say it’s better to lose to Fitch than to beat him by decision, huh? LOL!
Wowser…….I thought you were just super-biased. Now I know you’re a complete idiot.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Dude, you are confused.
Have fun….
And I don’t even know how that confused you.
Every time Fitch lost, he was finished, except for GSP.
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Are you really bring up Fitch in his first four fights as an example? Since 2003 Fitch has not been finished
Hughes also back in 2000 was finished and finished three times earlier but since 200 GSP was the first to finish Hughes since his first UFC fight,
Marquart KO Maia and Silva couldn’t does that mean Silva sucks?
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Since 2003, how many times has he lost?
I am looking a finished to lost ratio here, kinda like a knockout ratio. Its something we’ve never looked at before, thought I’d give it a try.
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Don't forget about Sherk!
He’s lost just 4 matches. He was finished by GSP and Penn. He was decisioned by Edgar and Hughes.
So by your logic, Hughes and Edgar are jokes, while GSP and Penn are the shit. Right? lol
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Are you having fun putting words in my mouth?
You are just looking silly now.
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Oh.....
that stat only qualifies for Fitch and no one else? Damn. I wasn’t sure. lol
This is hilarious. You’re about as much fun as ANS.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Fitch is the only example I mentioned, would you like more?
Google it.
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Right,
and I used the same logic with Sherk. Very few losses, and by decision.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
2002 was Fitch's last loss
Since then Fitch has only lost once
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by decision despite being finished in all his other losses.
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If you want to judge a fighter when they were not even close to their prime then all means go ahead
But in reality that fact doesn’t hold much water as pretty much anyone with a half ass knowlege of MMA understands Fitch then is not the same Fitch that GSP faced.
Fitch couldn’t dinish BJ either but GSP made him quite…there is a reason Fitch isn’t getting a shot I guess with this logic.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
GSP had 4 rounds to TKO BJ and he didn't
It was clear to most everyone that if Fitch had one more minute beyond that third round, he had a great chance at finishing him.
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Fact of the matter is Fitch never finished BJ and GSP did....thats all the fact we have as BJ tapped out
You can’t just pull a Striker and predict what would happen. We could all do that.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Yet,
GSP owns a finished victory over Penn, while Fitch does not.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Aaaaand, do you have a point?
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Simply countering your nonsense about “if this/if that, GSP’s win wasn’t a real finish/Fitch would’ve finished Penn in the 4th.”
Keep digging that hole. :)
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
You're such a clown
And an idiot. Can’t believe you used that line. So embarrassing! You’re a lost cause. lol
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Honestly, I have never seen you get into an "argument" on here and seen someone besides yourself agree with you or think that you "won"
Stop kidding yourself, hamp
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That's because all the losers simply
give up and run away. Funny how they love to talk until they can’t counter my points or make new ones. Funny how that works. I must say, though……….After that Fitch stat of yours, running away certainly tops what you’re doing. lol
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
How many times was a fighter finished when they won?
NEVER, its fucking impossible and a stupid stat.
But you can be finished when you lose. That’s what I was looking at.
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And your point is…………….?
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
At least use only UFC fights, many of these older fighter were fought by different rules than current MMA or in a octagon
Fitch is more custom for the Octagon than a boxing ring with his style.
So please use some stats that hold water
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Fair enough Puck, that makes sense.
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Glad to see this time it was you VM getting clowned and owned and not be for once
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 10, 2011 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
lmao!
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by ViolentMike on Nov 10, 2011 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
No, I'm afraid that would be you.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
If he was confident in his ability to finish, he would
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I disagree. I am sure GSP is very confident in himself to finish fights
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe why he trains so hard is to creat confidence he is lacking. maybe he feels he needs all this oddball training to get that confidence right
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by Lesnar's striking coach on Nov 8, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
No he is not, you can see it clear as day.
I think he is confident in himself to finish until he steps foot in the octagon and then he loses confidence an reverts back to safe mode. It’s plain to see, if you can’t see it then it’s either ignorance or you really just don’t get what it is you’re watchin.
by xMMAxTYSONxMMA on Nov 9, 2011 3:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That isnt plain to see. As I have never seen that nor has anyone ever said that to me while watching him.
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
c'mon
when he started spitting water on himself before the Shields fight, it was pretty clear what he was doing and why he was doing it.
So I am supposed to see that when he enters the cage he loses confidence?
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
he was lacking confidence after the cage door shut
where he lost it, I can’t say, but it was pretty clear he was very concerned.
I have never, not ever, not even once seen that. And nobody I know has ever said that. This is the first time I have ever seen anyone say it.
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
I said it after the fight, maybe in the live thread on here (in my former life)
Did you see him spit water over his head multiple times before the fight started against Shields?
And that didn’t AUTOMATICALLY turn on the alarm bells in your head?
Why would that turn on alarm bells? What is wrong with that action?
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Don't be coy. Water is a poor man's substitute for vaseline. And I am a GSP fan.
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Oh....
I see what you’re saying………GSP wanted an edge on the ground after all of those takedowns he got on him.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
He was concerned with the Shields takedown.
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Right......
that water must’ve been the difference and the reason Jake went 0 for 20?
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
0 for 20?
He didn’t attempt close to 20 takedowns.
Hindsight is 20/20. Going into that fight though, GSP was scared/nervous of the takedown.
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It was an exaggeration
and I don’t consider myself a mind reader. Do you make money off of your mind reading abilities?
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
“GSP wanted an edge on the ground after all of those takedowns”
Yes, and I don’t blame him. Winning is the only thing.
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Actually,
I was being sarcastic. I think he only attempted a couple takedowns.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Is that really what he meant? Because if so that is ridiculous.
Do you not know why guys warm up in the back? Do you think it is too JUST warm the muscles? They wear hoodies or sweats to get a good sweat going… why? To be more slippery.
And that isnt just GSP that goes for everyone. If you think anyone comes in dry you are mistaken. Guys will even splash water under the knee to stay wet if the guy tries for a takedown. When facing a BJJ guy most will make sure they keep the upper arms sweaty as well as the wrists.
Not to mention between rounds they pour water atop the heads of the fighter.
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Do you understand how focused this guy is because of who is around him? Nothing is done by accident. When he has Greg, Nurse, Zahabi and Danaher in his corner and locker room nothing GSP does is on his own accord.
Spitting water isnt a sign of loss of confidence.
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
I just told you. Keeping your body moist is a technique everyone uses. You just cant do it in an obvious way because it is frowned upon.
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Are you kidding me?
GSP never did this before, yet he does this before his fight with the most dangerous BJJ guy he has ever fought.
Nothing is done by accident, so GSP blowing water onto his body was an instruction from his team.
GSP has been wiped off before in a fight for greasing.
You are either intimating that GSP was instructed to get himself wet because he can no longer get himself wet from other sources, or you are playing coy and are trying to convince me that GSP did it to imitate Lebron.
I might be naive to how underhanded his team is, but I was not born yesterday.
You are either intimating that GSP was instructed to get himself wet because he can no longer get himself wet from other sources
Bingo, Eoghan. And it isnt just GSP it is 99% of fighters. And it has nothing to do with his camp. I didnt know Zahabi MMA was underhanded.
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
I thought MMA was supposed to be about honor and respect for your opponent, not trying to cheat them?
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Like every other fucked up thing in our society.
I shoulda been born in Japan in the 1500’s…
You should at least try to alter your personality
so we can pretend like we don’t know who you are.
Just sayin.
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
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I needed the other name to disappear for certain reasons that I will not get into.
If I wanted to disappear completely, I would have stayed gone.
I needed a break, took it, and came back. What I need is for the people that know me outsuide of here to know me as me, eithe my first name or obvious nickname. Not as my former screen name.
If that takes me 10 name changes to accomplish, then so be it. It doesn’t change who I am. Honestly, I wish I could use my real name, but that is not possible.
Honestly, I feel bad for the initial deception, but if you read closely, there were no lies involved. I even left a hint or two for you before I came out.
before I came out
We are all very proud of you buddy. Lol, good ol’ anonymous posting. Not as easy as it seems huh?
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 10, 2011 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
impossible in my case
I was realizing that my personality was coming through on posts and it was a matter of time.
To avoid being seen as dishonest (which seems to have happened a bit anyway to my chagrin), I felt it better to just be me and whenever people got it, they got it.
Funny thing is that I got to see how all the regulars treat “new” guys in their posting. We are not the nicest lot.
Well good to have you on board bud, hope you enjoy your stay
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 10, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
You have to expect mean shit to be said on the internet.
You tell me who’s been mean to you and I’m gonna go split open their skulls right now;)
Your last post was a lot of fun Owen, I can call you that right?
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
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Eoghan is an ancient speeling of my real name
Owen is one of the offsprings. My real name is not Owen, but that is fine.
It isnt cheating. It is gaining an advantage in a sport where your opponent wants to cause physical harm to you.
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
GSP does that before every fight. He has said it’s because he like Triple H from WWE.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
Bwahaha! Yeah, right.
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I’m not saying that’s the real reason, but he does do it before ever fight. He is a huge nerd, so I wouldn’t put it past him
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
You are way too intelligent to even consider that as the truth, MMEh.
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by OJR on Nov 9, 2011 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
Ha…I said it is his stated reason. Water is a shitty lube anyways, go try and rub one out with it…you will not like the experience :)
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I have done it underwater with a bubble asses Hawaiin girl. It works just fine as lube. :)
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by OJR on Nov 9, 2011 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
It is actually the most effective form of it if you know what you are doing
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 10, 2011 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
idk
you could be right, i just dont see why he wouldnt be confident in himself
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Matt Serra.
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by Lesnar's striking coach on Nov 8, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
as much as im a fan of this
he finished matt in the rematch, so idk why hes nervous about anything
We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.
True
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
i showed my buddy the first fight last night
he didnt realize the caliber of people i trained with, had to educate lol
We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.
I watch that fight alot actually, and show people as well. Its an important fight and is proof that the same concept from UFC 1 still holds ground today,
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
lol, i dont see how the UFC 1 concept is involved
that was just a kickboxing match for 4 minutes
We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.
Size. Perceived skill based on appearance.
Royce was smaller. Less imposing.
Serra was smaller. Less imposing.
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
ahh, fair enough
less imposing though? id tend to say a long island guinea is more imposing than a gay french canadian lol
We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.
If you stood them side by side you would know clearly who the champion was lol. If you were just looking at physical appearance
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
depends on when you stood them side by side
if you catch my drift
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It sounds more like you are making excuses for him for not finishing than saying that he should have.
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He just respect GSP more then anyone of us. He sees through what we like to shit because he is very respectful. This guy speaks no ill word of anyone not even the worst teacher he had in Brutte
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by Lesnar's striking coach on Nov 8, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
doing both
so we could have this wonderful discourse.
I can argue either side Mike. I see it both ways. But I won’t discount how good GSP is.
I don't think anyone is discounting that GSP is good, of anyone is they are retarded.
I just think people are right when they say he is a safe fighter, because he is. That’s the only thing I agree with. I think he is a phenomenal fighter, just won’t ever be above Anderson on the top pound for pound list and will soon be passed up by Jon jones. That’s the sad truth. Everyone can see that GSP is a safe fighter, it sucks.
by xMMAxTYSONxMMA on Nov 9, 2011 4:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
it’s not that we care he doesn’t finish fights. it’s when it’s clear he didn’t really try to.
No one ever complains about the Thiago or Fitch fights. you know why? b/c GSP obliterated those guys. he battered them so bad he might as well have stopped them. it was demoralizing just to watch.
it’s ridiculous affairs like hardy, kos, and shields that have people complaining. just like when silva had the maia, leites, and cote fights.
Gatti. Dekkers. Pele. Aoki. Kang. Vanderlei. Basillio. Harry Greb.
by theworldsoldestsport on Nov 8, 2011 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
VM arguing JBJ is ‘an exciting, dominant champ that finishes fights’ with 1 title defense in is a little premature no? JBJ is exciting and dominant to be sure but 1 title defense doesn’t equate ‘a dominant champ’..
Ellenberger DID knock Shields out HOWEVER the sun DOES shine on every dog’s ass once in a while.. Just so you know.. Jake Shields is a tough dude but he looked very much broken during his fight with GSP. Could be just me.
Anderson Silva looks great but how sure are you its not due in part to his division not being as competitive as the welter weight division?
Give JBJ a year or two. Lets see how dominant he is then.
When was the last time a LHW had a dominant title defense?
Before Bones, there was Chuck. Nobody since then was dominant. And call me crazy, but I think its safe to say that Bones will go down in history as the greatest LHW by the time he is done.
Ellenberger DID knock Shields out HOWEVER the sun DOES shine on every dog’s ass once in a while..
Well, when was the last time it shined on GSP’s ass? It seems to shine on every ass but his. I suppose his only accepts penises. Its the only logical explanation.
Jake Shields is a tough dude but he looked very much broken during his fight with GSP.
When you are the champ, and your opponent appears broken, you are expected to finish the fight. Not sneak by with a 48-47 decision.
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Before Bones, there was Chuck. Nobody since then was dominant. And call me crazy, but I think its safe to say that Bones will go down in history as the greatest LHW by the time he is done.
How quickly the detractors forget guys like lets say Lyoto Machida. 11-0. Perhaps Lyoto is not as flashy as JBJ but Lyoto still HAD a rather impressive bandwagon filled with folks like yourself right up until Shogun laid the boots to him didn’t he?
I’ll be very interested to see where you, VM, are should JBJ get caught.
Well, when was the last time it shined on GSP’s ass? It seems to shine on every ass but his. I suppose his only accepts penises. Its the only logical explanation.
I’m not sure how being a successfully defending champion is a bad thing myself. On one hand you want a dominant champion but then on the other criticize the reigning champion as not being dominant enough because he isn’t finishing fights.
You don’t seem to acknowledge how difficult it is to actually finish someone in an actual fight, let alone a top fighter in the world, other than what you’ve seen one or two extraordinary people have managed to do, so my guess is your own experience is limited to Hollywood, console gaming and or what you see on TV.
Finishes like knockouts and submissions typically are the result of one of two things – a mismatch in skill or conditioning or lightning striking (aka knockout).
A guy like JBJ mostly falls into the mismatch category courtesy of his reach. His reach is going to be incredibly hard to counter, nevermind his talent.
As for what GSP, or anyone for that matter, accept or have in whatever body cavity is none of my concern. Nor is the fact you opted to bring it up?
When you are the champ, and your opponent appears broken, you are expected to finish the fight. Not sneak by with a 48-47 decision.
When you are a challenger you are expected to beat the champion. That HASN’T happened either has it?
If GSP is doing something wrong why hasn’t anyone exploited the flaw? Why haven’t guys like Thiago Alves or Josh Koshek, who both possess lightning in their hands, knocked the champion out?
Is it because a finish is hard?
MMA isn’t conducive to finishing a high percentage of fights between two relatively equal opponents. More often than not an MMA match is going to result in whats known as a fight. That fight may end up going to a decision because both fighters are competent enough to counter the opponent. Lighting may not strike. Get over it?
Sneak by with a 48-47 decision? Was that NOT a fight? Did both guys sit down with a cup of tea and read a news paper? I seem to remember that fight being a back and forth battle. Excuse me if in place of not seeing someone’s head knocked into the 32nd row 30 seconds into a fight I enjoy a close fight.
For the record VM Jake Shields has a habit of making fights painful to watch. Before he fought GSP I can’t think of a fight I watched of his and thought “..Oh shit Jake just set the bar for MMA action..”
Look.. I am not sure what is with your anti-GSP jibber jabber.. Maybe he didn’t pose for a picture or sign an autograph.. but its entertaining..
I'll do this in sections.
Before Bones, there was Chuck. Nobody since then was dominant. And call me crazy, but I think its safe to say that Bones will go down in history as the greatest LHW by the time he is done.
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How quickly the detractors forget guys like lets say Lyoto Machida. 11-0. Perhaps Lyoto is not as flashy as JBJ but Lyoto still HAD a rather impressive bandwagon filled with folks like yourself right up until Shogun laid the boots to him didn’t he?
I’ll be very interested to see where you, VM, are should JBJ get caught.
So you think Machida looked dominant in his first title defense vs Shogun? Dominant in a split decision that a lot of people thought he lost????
I was specifically referencing dominant LHW title defenses. Since Chuck and prior to Bones, Machida was the only one to successfully defend the title, but it was in no shape or form dominant.
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So you think Machida looked dominant in his first title defense vs Shogun? Dominant in a split decision that a lot of people thought he lost????
No. Nor did I say that. Shogun won both fights IMO.
Then why did you just use him as an example of a LHW with a dominant title defense?
Your words, not mine.
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Umm read what I wrote. I assume you can read.
How quickly the detractors forget guys like lets say Lyoto Machida. 11-0. Perhaps Lyoto is not as flashy as JBJ but Lyoto still HAD a rather impressive bandwagon filled with folks like yourself right up until Shogun laid the boots to him didn’t he?
I should be surprised you quoted me and still got it wrong but I am not. Did I write “title defenses”? Feel free to re-read and get back to me.
Ummm, when you said it, you were directly replying and quoting my comment of
When was the last time a LHW had a dominant title defense?
Before Bones, there was Chuck. Nobody since then was dominant. And call me crazy, but I think its safe to say that Bones will go down in history as the greatest LHW by the time he is done.
Please stay on topic when talking to me. We’re talking about apples here.. And you’re over here shouting out oranges.
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All this back and forth GSP debating is good fun.
But I fear your hate for him is real and that it also applies to many more people than just GSP. The Lester The Pimps of the world come in all shapes and sizes and go after different social or ethnic groups. Millions of haters world wide can’t be wrong huh? I hope I am though.
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
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Did you just accuse me of being racist against faggy Canadians?
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Can't be.
I love you jay.
That means I can’t be racist against Canadians, nor fags.
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by ViolentMike on Nov 10, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
You go girl!
VioletMichelle you might want to consider turning down the volume on the sound of how awesome you seem to think are while you are talking with adults okay? You’ll seem “less” slow but “special” all the same.
Here is the conversation:
I quoted you, and replied to you:
Before Bones, there was Chuck. Nobody since then was dominant. And call me crazy, but I think its safe to say that Bones will go down in history as the greatest LHW by the time he is done.How quickly the detractors forget guys like lets say Lyoto Machida. 11-0. Perhaps Lyoto is not as flashy as JBJ but Lyoto still HAD a rather impressive bandwagon filled with folks like yourself right up until Shogun laid the boots to him didn’t he?
At 11-0 Lyoto wasn’t champ yet sunshine. If your head wasn’t so far up your ass you might of caught on to that fact though I still have my doubts. The point in bringing up Lyoto was Lyoto had hype similar to JBJ before and going into the first Shogun fight. Fitting since JBJ’s next defense is against Lyoto.
I don’t give a rat’s ass whether or not you were referring to title defenses or not. Sorry. How can I respect what you write? You’re arguing Jon Jones is a ‘dominant champion’ with ONE title defense. One.
At the very least GSP has SEVEN title defenses. SEVEN. That’s more than one. I assume you can count that high with shoes on? GSP also didn’t lose a round up until he fought Jake Shields. That’s DOMINANCE. Oh what? You going to cry because I brought that up? Snivel it up buttercup it doesn’t change the fact.
Oh VioletMichelle.. What ever will you do if Lyoto ends up beating JBJ ? I look forward to reading that..
Regarding your second bit, I will post this, again
Before GSP’s current title run, WW Title fights were finished at a rate of 83.33%
Since GSP defeated Matt Serra, WW Title fights are finished at a rate of 16.67%.
The WW champion always faces the number one contender. In the past, the champions would nearly always finish the fight. But not GSP during his current title reign. If he’s fighting, its going to be a decision.
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The WW champion always faces the number one contender. In the past, the champions would nearly always finish the fight. But not GSP during his current title reign. If he’s fighting, its going to be a decision.
Fact is the best fighter Hughes ever faced is BJ Penn so of coarse the finish rate will be higher VM as the sport has evolved and the fighters GSP is facign are finishing Hughes now.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
And the ref had to step in to stop the savage beat down Hughes gave BJ.
However, no such occasion arose during his fight with BJ.
Remember, apples to apples.
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And GSP made BJ quite(he made another man give up!!) from the savage beatdown he gave BJ
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
No, he made BJ's mom give up. BJ would have taken his 5-minute humping for the final round.
At least I am better than kevjack at making picks. I am satisfied with that.
I don’t know where you get your numbers but does the system account for the caliber of fighters in the before and after?
Are there not better fighters now as opposed to then? Say the Matt Hughes era (I mean no disrespect by that but the longer the sport goes its producing more and more talented fighters).
Sure, i can admit that the competition today is at a different level, but then again, so are the champions. Or at least, they should be.
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True but if the champions are head and shoulders above the challengers than is not the division is therefore considered to be weak and non-competitive?
I’m all for finishes but I am also good with great fights too.
I get that guys like JBJ and AS are making a mockery of opponents but that says to me the division might not be as strong as opposed to the champion not being quality.
Also I am not about to hop on the JBJ bandwagon until he’s fought someone who he can’t easily dismantle from range and someone puts some leather on his chin.
Respectively Mike Tyson finished A LOT of fights but is he considered the GOAT? Even in his prime?
Tyson has too many losses to be considered the best ever IMO, but I'm certainly no boxing expert
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Tyson is not a top 10 all-time HW, IMO
but opinions vary. Most people who have any boxing knowledge cannot, in all reality, make an argument for top 5, but I have seen solid arguments for 8th or so, I just personaly do not completely agree with them.
The argument for tyson is when he was in his prime
Fame and Don King killed Tysons career but hardcore boxing critics and casual fans like us have debated this issue and there is no doubt Tyson in his Prime can be debated as one of the best for a career you are 100% correct as far as top five eoghan.
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When you are a challenger you are expected to beat the champion. That HASN’T happened either has it?
WHAT??? Really? Please show me how many times the challenger was the betting favorite to beat the champion. Sure, it happens every blue moon, but typically, the champion is the favorite in the fight (if there is a favorite)
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Favorite != (not equal to) finishes either.
I wasn’t referring to betting odds by the way.
I was referring to the fight itself. It only seems fair that if you are going to flame the champion for not finishing than the challenger shares the blame.
I wasn’t referring to betting odds by the way.
What other odds are there? Do you come up with better odds yourself? If so, you better contact Las Vegas, they have a job for you.
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MMA isn’t conducive to finishing a high percentage of fights between two relatively equal opponents.
If GSP wants to be considered the best ever, Dan Hardy should NOT be considered to be an “equal opponent.”
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One fighter......give GSP Diaz's last 6 opponents and I almost guarantee some finish's
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See, you still can't guarantee it, only almost guarantee it
Match Nick up with them again and I can guarantee the finishes!
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No you can`t vm because Nick has to decision wins in his last four
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For the record VM Jake Shields has a habit of making fights painful to watch. Before he fought GSP I can’t think of a fight I watched of his and thought "..Oh shit Jake just set the bar for MMA action.."
Before moving up to MW, Jake Shields FINISHED 8 straight fights, many of them championship fights. Please let me know when GSP does such.
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Before moving up to MW, Jake Shields FINISHED 8 straight fights, many of them championship fights. Please let me know when GSP does such.
Not when he faced quality opponents. Mayhem Miller and a exhausted Henderson?
You need to compare apples to apples VM the opponents GSP is facing are opponents that are proving they are top contenders besides Hardy of coarse.
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Now you are talking about a WW moving up to MW, that isn't fair. Remember, apple to apples.
Speaking of moving up to MW, it really takes a lot of balls and confidence for a top WW fighter to do such. Some are willing to, but others aren’t.
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Mayhem Miller faced both GSP and Shields as were a few other of Shields opponents
The competition at MW even in the UFC is not near as good as WW but it was even worse in SF.
Remember apples to apples
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Then why you speaking about pears?
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Personally I think Jake never shoul dhave come back to WW
He has not looked good in any WW fight he has been in, tbh.
Shields could add some spice to MW in the UFC.
Look.. I am not sure what is with your anti-GSP jibber jabber.. Maybe he didn’t pose for a picture or sign an autograph.. but its entertaining..
Am I not allowed to hate on one fighter?
I’ve never said he sucks. I only complain that he does not even attempt to finish fights that he should be finishing. Especially if he want go be considered the greatest ever – which he does.
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This by your opinion but I don't think it will be the consensus Mike
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So you are saying that the consensus is that GSP is currently the top lb for lb fighter and forever will be?
Please show me something to back this claim up.
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He is in the debate as #1, Silva right now is the only guy and rightfully so argued more as #1
I don’t disagree Silva deserves the #1 but GSP is at least consensus #2. All time? IF GSP keeps the belt for another 5 years maybe?? Only time will tell and even if he doesn’t get that status VM he’s trying and thats all you can ask from a fighter. I think he will go down as the GOAT in the WW division but P4P it’s hard to say in such a opinionated subject.
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I agree that when he retires he will be the GOAT of the WW division, but not lb for lb.
The only way I see GSP ever having the #1 lb for lb ranking is if Chael beats Silva. That is it. I don’t see any other MW having a chance at beating Anderson. And in the same scenario, I also see Jon Jones going undefeated for quite some time and would pass GSP after finishing Machida and Rashad.
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He wants to be known as the greatest fighter ever.
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I would think that would be achieved by records and accomplishments
And not a fantasy stat decided by knobs with a keyboard.
Just my opinion.
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Being known as the greatest ever means that you were the greatest off all time across all weight classes
The definition of being the GOAT lb for lb means that you were the greatest off all time across all weight classes.
They are one in the same my friend.
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Quick question
Who’s considered the greatest P4P boxer of all time.
The answer is who gives a fuck. Being P4P anything doesn’t pay shit. Being the greatest WW of all time is at least measureable. Half the world will think GSP’s style is the best style to have (slow and sure always wins the race) and some will think Silva’s style is best (killer stand-up with minimal grappling). At the end of the day, who gives a fuck?
It’s easiest and makes the most sense to only think of these guys in their own divisions. Why make up something like P4P when it means nothing and 85% of the people don’t understand it? Boxers are thought of as “who was the best HW boxer ever”. Not “who is the best P4P boxer”. It’s fantasy bullshit and this conversation proves it’s a waste of time.
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by ViolentMike on Nov 10, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Of course you can hate on anyone you like.. Its your logic I find interesting.
It seems to me that GSP does try to finish fights (http://www.cagepotato.com/jon-fitch-has-landed-more-strikes-than-any-other-ufc-fighter-in-history/) however finishes are difficult at the top of this weight class.
As for what GSP, or anyone for that matter, accept or have in whatever body cavity is none of my concern. Nor is the fact you opted to bring it up?
GSP enjoys the penis.
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by ViolentMike on Nov 10, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This same Jake Shields that is impossible to finish was flattened by Ellenberger in less than a minute. GSP had 25 minutes and he couldn’t even rock Shields, never mind KO him.
Ellenberger faced Shields right after his father died. Also, Jake didn’t intentionally poke his eye.
Shogun had never been finished due to strikes.
Nice wording there. A cardio-less Shogun after knee surgery is easier to finish. Ask Forrest.
Bader had never been finished in his career.
Bader was finished by a past-his-prime Tito Ortiz. Need I say more?
Vladimir Matyushenko has over 30 pro MMA fights and had only been finished twice
etc…etc
Who do you think has more KO power….Jones or GSP? It’s easier in general for Jones to finish with power. GSP must compensate in other areas for his lack of KO power (i.e. cardio, “finesse” striking, wrestling, defense).
And not to knock Jones down much (he could be amazing and the real deal), but what has he really done so far? Finished a gassed Rampage who’s heart is questionable now-a-days. Finished a gassed Shogun coming off knee surgery. Finished Bader who was also finished by Tito. Jones needs to do much more before he passes GSP. Popularity-wise? Who knows. There are plenty of simple-minded WWE fans out there who require more “action.”
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
VM is right
Your using excuses to defend these finishes
Rampage was motivated as hell to win that fight. He was not gassed at all. JBJ just got him in a RNC
Long live Rampage
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by ItalianStallion54 on Nov 8, 2011 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
Do you really think that your rebutles invalidated my points????
Excuses was all I heard.
Who do you think has more KO power….Jones or GSP? It’s easier in general for Jones to finish with power. GSP must compensate in other areas for his lack of KO power (i.e. cardio, "finesse" striking, wrestling, defense).
Actually, neither are power punchers, HOWEVER, Jon Jones is a proven finisher, and GSP is not. Jon Jones doesn’t step into the octagon hoping and praying to win a decision, he steps in the ocatgon with a plan to finish the fight. GSP walks into the cage just hoping to retain the title as safely as possible by winning a 5 round decision. And blame can’t even be placed on Greg Jackson, as he is the “strategist” for both fighters and Jones shows up to finish and GSP does not. The reason for GSP not finishing fights rests solely on GSP himself, and no one else.
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Agreed to an extent
But it is interesting that Jackson’s gameplans have come under less fire since Jones has become champ. The behind the scenes question I still want to know regarding GSP is if he really holds winning that dear to himself that he does not mind the alienation of fans.
Bones’ gameplans seem to center around taking the will from his opponents through a systematic approach to inflicting damage from very different angles by using Bones natural athletic talents…speed and reach. The two things that his opponents cannot train for effectively together. I am really interested in seeing hte fight where someone handles both for the entirety of the first round and see Bones’ adjustments between rounds. i actually see him taking a very conservative approach to the rest of the fight.
GSP may alienate some but he has one of the best track records for PPV sales in the UFC so it can’t be all that bad. I find his point fighting tendencies to be kind of a bummer but I can still appreciate his skill.
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Looks like you get the bone
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gsp’s last 75 min’s in the cage were atrocious and boring to watch. i was walking to my car before the end of the 3rd round the past 3 fights in a row.
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But how long will you continue to spend $60 (assuming HD) to watch GSP win 50-45 or 49-46?
You make it sound like a bad thing? You mean you pay $50 and get to see entire fight instead of a one round battle? GSP fans get their money worth seeing MMA skills being displayed for 5 rounds.
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Understanding he wins? It's how he wins..sometimes he stands and trades other times he takes his opponents down and then win he's pissed he really punish's his opponent and might have to quite before then end of the fifth
It’s not like he wins the same way every fight he uses different tactics for different fighters and this being a MMA form I think most realize he may win by decision more than any other way but that like saying most likely going to win by KO. It’s not the outcome it’s how does he get to the outcome that fans enjoy…for the most part. All fighter’s have their moments(Silva vs Maia)
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So GSP is your favorite fighter?
I will go probably 2 or 3 more fights until I won’t buy his fights any longer.
I will buy bones’ fights until I die or he does the same thing. Funny I said that about GSP after he beat Hughes as well. Too bad the UFC will never pull another TUF 4 out of the hat.
He is one of my favorites... I guess favorite WW as I would never cheer for another over GSP in this division...Alves and Fitch I also enjoy watching that I cheer over most
LW Maynard and I have been liking Masvidal(hope he beats melendez)my, MW- one of my all time favorite Wandy(he should hang them up though) and I like Maia, at LHW Jackson and Hendo and at HW Brock of coarse and I have been a fan of Barnetts
Really though I like MMA because of the variety of styles and tactics that all = different outcomes.
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GSP typically beats his opponents into a zombie that is a shell of the fighter that stepped in the ring and usually leave with their head hung
I don’t know why so many are so concerned with GSP not finishing fights, I for one enjoy watching GSP punish fighters(for the most part) for five rounds and sending his opponent away with his tail tucked between his legs.
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One question
Are you also Canadian?
Case solved.
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Puck isnt a bastard canuck like jaybroney??
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With a name like Puck Head,
only a hippie from California wouldn’t know he’s Canadian.
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
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I like watching Fitch and Shields as well VM, not just GSP
Sonnen is also a treat to watch(even though he a douche) point is I’m pleased by more than a KO. I’m going to enjoy watching the will of Diaz drain as I did many GSP opponents and there will be nothing Diaz can do but cry after like many of his fans. Now you tell me would you rather be KO or would you rather get pounded on for five rounds(don’t get excited it’s not sexual), controlled against your will and every tool that has got you to this point is taken away from a superior fighter…..I think Diaz will be wishing he was KO like many of GSP’s opponents and the fans that enjoy and respect the superior MMA fighter showcase his skills can sit back an laugh at all the men that sound like those old winers cry that kicking should not be allowed in a fight.
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I would rather win the fight so I guess none of the above. As a fan I would rather see a finish just this once from GSP.
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Just to make you guys happy give GSP BJ agasin
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oops let me continue....guys happy give GSP BJ again
Then give him Noons, Cyborg, daley…hell bring in Corbbrey Diaz has only finished one of the names I mentioned and I’m pretty sure GSP would finish at least two or three of those guys.
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Check your facts homie
Nick sub’d Cyborg and knocked the fuck outta Daley.
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Sorry two, I forgot I put Daley in there
Point being look at the competion
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Honestly, I'd rather lose by decision and know that I took my opponents best punch and fought through it.
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You're a loser then.
A self-aware man. That’s good.
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
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I would hate to be owned for 25 minutes and not being able to do anything about(unless it's the wife)
Seriously just imagine the feeling of all those hours you trained and put into this fight meaning nothing! Because of the will of another man being able to do so. I would rather be tapped or KO anyday than humiliated for 25 minutes no fuckin doubt about it. If you could truely fathom being KO or being controlled against your will I would guarantee you would take being KO as an option. Of coarse to prove your point you’ll disagree.
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How banged up did Dan Hardy get?
I’d gladly take that outcome over his outcome against Condit.
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If GSP didn't hold back on his arm bar Hardy would of been tapping
GSP went for the finish and expected HArdy to tap without 100% following through on his attempt, a mistake on GSP’s part and one we will not see to often.
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So you’re saying Jones’ and GSP’s power in striking are on par? Surprised to hear you say that, cuz I completely disagree.
Your arguments completely scream “I hate GSP and I love WWE!” This is a sport. If you NEED finishes or more excitement, go watch brawls at a bar or flip on some WWE. Do you get pissed while watching a football game and the team that’s about to win has their backup QB in taking knees to end the game? Get a clue. If you don’t appreciate and enjoy watching GSP’s fights, you’re a mouth-breathing casual MMA fan. Congrats!
And besides, even if you wanted to play this game in comparing their careers, at the moment, it’s still a mistake to be so short-sighted……
Jones has 9 fights in the UFC. He’s 8-1. 2 were decisions, 6 were finishes. You can also make an argument that he STILL does not have a big signature win. Bader was unproven and then lost to Tito for christ’s sake. Shogun was gassed coming off a knee injury, just like when Forrest beat him. And honestly, what has Rampage done lately? Wins over Hamill, Jardine, and a chinless Wandy? We all know he lost to Machida if you take that fight as a whole. But I will give Jones credit for finishing Page. That’s no easy task, even if Rampage’s heart wasn’t quite in it.
As for GSP’s 1st 9 fights in the UFC, he went 8-1 also. Neither of their losses was anything to worry about. Jones’ was a DQ for a bone-headed mistake, while GSP’s was to a prime Matt Hughes who at the time was the greatest WW ever. 4 wins were by decision, 4 by finish. It also includes wins over Hughes, Penn, and Sherk.
Out of these 18 fights, what was the biggest/most impressive win? Hands down, the TKO victory over Hughes by GSP. Also, who is the greatest WW ever? GSP. Who is the greatest LHW ever? Not Jones.
So let’s slow down this “Jones is god” train. Now, if he finishes Machida AND Evans, then I believe it won’t be premature to get all excited. So from now on, when GSP’s headlining a card, just don’t buy the ppv and instead go rent the most recent Royal Rumble or something. If you’re penis is so small to where you must criticize someone at all times, there are plenty of fighters who actually deserve it. How about BJ Penn? Go crush him. That heartless, frontrunning, overrated douche deserves it.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Jones still doesn’t have a signature win? WHAT? Rua and Rampage fights ring any bells?
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You can also make an argument that he STILL does not have a big signature win. Bader was unproven and then lost to Tito for christ’s sake. Shogun was gassed coming off a knee injury, just like when Forrest beat him. And honestly, what has Rampage done lately? Wins over Hamill, Jardine, and a chinless Wandy? We all know he lost to Machida if you take that fight as a whole. But I will give Jones credit for finishing Page. That’s no easy task, even if Rampage’s heart wasn’t quite in it.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
I read that (probably should have phrased my response differently) but your standards for a signature win are pretty high. These two are both former champions of the division. I do agree that LHW is declining somewhat, but Jones is playing a part in “Anderson Silva’ing” the LHW division.
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I don’t think the Shogun that Jones beat compares to the Shogun that beat Machida, nor do I think the Page that Jones beat was as good as the Page that beat Liddell.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
I think PAge was near as good UFCChamp, I just think his style is too predictable
Jackson camp did a good job with Jardine, Evan and being their third time with Jones had a gameplan from day one that they knew they could follow through with little worry Jackson would change.
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I don’t think he’s that much worse, but still worse. He even openly admits now-a-days that he just cares about money and has had acting gigs. Now that he’s “paid” and rich, he’s not nearly as hungry as he was when he beat Liddell.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Lol @ gassed Shogun. He was gassed 10 seconds into the fight? Damn what a horrible cardio regiment the guy has, maybe he should hang it up. This isnt his thing.
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Oh no........not ANS again
So you think Shogun’s conditioning has been very consistent, despite his poor showings in relation to the timing of his knee injuries?
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Haha, I am saying how can you say Shogun had bad cardio when he was the same way after the flying knee lands.
So either:
A. Shogun had no cardio before the fight started which if true he should never fight in MMA for health reasons.
B. Shogun was rocked with the knee and never recovered.
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
or
C. both the knee and his poor cardio led to him being finished. Say……if he was in excellent condition that he would’ve recovered from the knee. Not possible?
C’mon ANS……….we both know how every discussion of ours ends…………
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Dont even remember any discussion we have had, unlike you who copy and pasted a random one in your sig. Thanks for the crush by the way.
Here is why C is wrong.
Shogun ate a big knee immediately and appeared gassed. But how could that be? He was fighting for less then half a minute. The knee hurt shogun and he never recovered. How could his condition help him recover if he never had a chance too. Jones kept the pressure on him from start to finish.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Yes you do.......
I’m the guy who kept waxing you so bad that you told me you weren’t going to debate on these forums anymore! lol
Look……….I’m not saying that Jones wouldn’t have won or finished Shogun if he was healthy and in good shape. I’m saying simply that Shogun wasn’t in good shape and that he at least would’ve lasted longer if he was. That simple. You can keep digging and digging and digging and I’ll gladly make you look like a fool, as usual.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Lol, okay I concede to you master.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
Waxing! Don't be scared, homie! ;)
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
I dont want to get waxed OJR, so if I were you I would stay clear as well.
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
You only wish to be greased, for multiple reasons...
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How else should someone stop a takedown VM?
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Kick 'em in the nuts!
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I uppercut them in da huevos!
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I can negate everything you said by stating that I am a huge Jon Fitch fan
The difference is that Fitch doesn’t say that he is only fighting for his legacy now and wants to be considered the greatest lb for lb fighter the sport has ever seen. Nor does he he constantly insist that he is going to finish his next opponent only to coast to a 25 minute decision. Stop lying to everyone and yourself, Frenchie.
If GSP wants to be considered the greatest fighter ever, he needs to be held to a higher standard then your run of the mill, overachieving, hard working contenders out there. If you want to be the best ever, you better be able to prove it yourself instead of relying on a judge to say who he thinks won. This is fighting. Not some other sport. If you want to try and win by points, go kick a fucking ball or something.
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If you want to be the best ever, you better be able to prove it yourself instead of relying on a judge to say who he thinks won.
There is no question who won, it was a clear one sided victory, then you go on to say your fitch fan but he should go kick a ball or something??
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Actually, that doesn't negate anything I said
Sounds to me like you’re allowing some bias to unreasonably hang onto some words. You believe GSP is ONLY fighting for his legacy? You think he’s doing this stuff for free, then, huh? lol
So you’re saying, that if GSP goes on to continue to dominate the WW division with say…..12 more consecutive wins, 9 by dominate decisions, 3 by finish, and Anderson loses to Sonnen and doesn’t hold the belt consistently again, Jones loses to Evans and doesn’t hold the belt consistently again, etc, that GSP wouldn’t be the greatest MMA fighter of all-time?
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
I openly admit that I am biased against GSP. I will not deny that.
And your little scenario has waaaaaay to many ifs to be taken seriously.
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So you’re not capable of having an unbiased/logical/realistic discussion about GSP?
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
No, I speak the truth about BJ
and I back it up without contradicting myself.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Who won round 2?
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I'm glad
that you don’t actually try to argue in favor of BJ winning it. Nice to know that my debate for Fitch taking round 2 finally sunk into so many morons.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
OH NO........
Please don’t!!! lol
Nothin’ new to me. I piss off butthurt cry babies all the time and make ’em run to admins for making them look so stupid.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
you have yet to make me look stupid
but your tireless efforts to promote yourself as some statistical genius are not wanted in this thread.
Please stay on topic.
I'm not the one who brought up the Fitch fight, genius
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
That fight is the only reason people even recognize your user name
I hope that makes you feel good about yourself.
It does, actually
Multiple Penn nuthuggers know that I’m the guy that proved to them that Fitch should’ve been awarded the win for that match. Pretty huge accomplishment around these parts, if I may say so myself. ;)
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Thank you much
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
DId you just call him some sort of STD?
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I never remember him til he brings it up. Dont give him too much credit lol
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
I can see right through you, ANS ;)
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Just stirring up some shit.
But if that fight was to be awarded to either fighter, it was Fitch.
End of topic.
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I brought facts and statistics to this argument.
And I have yet to see a single person try to argue them. Go look at my stats below about WW Championship fight finishing rate and chime in. I haven’t seen a single pro-GSP response to it yet.
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Newsflash......
This is MMA. There are winners despite lack of a finish. Now, if GSP was barely slipping past all these opponents, I would agree with you to a degree. Dominating an opponent in a 5-round fight is a positive, regardless of what your mouth-breathing, biased behind wants to believe.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Watching GSP give dudes a 25-minute tea-bagging is like gay porn, and if you enjoy watching it, it’s only because you have repressed homosexual tendencies and long to have your mouth and ass filled with man-meat.
See, I can call you names based on your opinion of a fighter too.
At least I am better than kevjack at making picks. I am satisfied with that.
Conjecture much? How is this?
GSP loses to Nick Diaz and completely deteriorates mentally. He never recovers and loses his next fight only to retire shortly thereafter. GSP is never considered the best fighter to ever live.
Mine only needs one thing to happen…
BTW, before you freak out on the possibility or what your opinion of Nick is… it does not mean I believe this, but it is a possible scenario.
Also:
You believe GSP is ONLY fighting for his legacy?
GSP has said that he wants to be the greatest fighter to ever live and that his legacy is why he fights. Mike did not create this.
If GSP wants to be considered the greatest fighter ever, he needs to be held to a higher standard then your run of the mill, overachieving, hard working contenders out there. If you want to be the best ever, you better be able to prove it yourself instead of relying on a judge to say who he thinks won. This is fighting. Not some other sport. If you want to try and win by points, go kick a fucking ball or something.
He’s basically claiming that GSP can’t possibly be considered the greatest, even if he continues doing what he’s doing. I simply listed a possible scenario in which he would be.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
There are plenty of scenarios where he could be. Mike has admitted as much if you read closely in this thread
but almost everyone here agrees on the following:
A. Anderson Silva is currently the top P4P fighter. As a statistical whole, that is the concensus.
B. If Jon Jones continues to decimate former champions, he will eclipse both GSP and Silva as the best P4P fighter on the planet.
That leaves little margin for error for GSP to reach the top. Hell, after the last 6 fights, I truly believe that Dominick Cruz has aas much claim to the #2 spot as GSP. Cruz has completey cleaned out his division without having any Dan Hardy fights and he also has only lost two rounds doing it.
Did I disagree with any of this?
My only exception is about Jones. I’m not quite ready to crown him king yet. He needs to do quite a bit more to pass up even GSP.
I’m arguing against the criticism that since GSP doesn’t finish all these fights that that doesn’t make him great.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
It makes him great, but not the greatest.
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100% agreed.
GSP wants to be the best. To be considered the best, he needs to:
A. Eclipse the accomplishments of the person considered the best.
B. Have the best lose before he does.
C. Not get passed by anyone below him.
GSP has not done A, B has not yet happened and C is very close to happening. This creates a very small window of opportunity.
Well.....
GSP has no control over B or C. So he must concentrate on A. I guess all those losses he’s piling up are hurting him in that dept, huh?
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
If the person considered the best is constantly finishing fights and getting praised for it
while GSP is constantly winning decisions and getting criticized for it, how exactly is he supposed to gain?
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He can work his ass off year-round and fight smart so that he lasts much longer than most fighters. And when say, Silva retires after a handful more fights or loses and doesn’t regain the title, he can stroll past him in the long run.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
GSP is fighting twice a year and is 6 fights behind Silva's current streak.
Silva is also fighting twice a year, and says he will fight for 5 or 6 more years.
The gap between them is growing and challengers are gaining.
Who knows........
maybe Silva loses his next fight to Sonnen.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
And on top of that, JBJ is contstantly gaining ground
The only way GSP is #1 lb for lb is if Anderson and Bones both lose.
Anderson just needs to keep winning to stay #1.
JBJ just needs to keep finishing number one contenders and he will be number 1.
Anderson and JBJ hold the fate of their lb for lb status in their hands. GSP does not. He must rely on others losing, making him #1 by default, not because he claimed the position.
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But what if
GSP were to keep pace with Jones’ finishes? Then what, sucka?
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
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Cheap-ass.....
leave the computer once in awhile. :)
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Lunch is in a little over an hour
Maybe you can try and convince someone then.
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No need......
I just enjoy making nut huggers and haters look dumb.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Not nearly as much as usual, but I'm content so far.
ANS sure makes it hella easy!
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
HA!
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At least you know
when you’re bias is called out and back off. I’ll give you that, VM.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
I openly admit that I am bias towards GSP
In fact, for years my sig was “I am sometimes biased, GET OVER IT!”. But then I kept taking these fools’ money and had to switch it up to rub it in their faces.
And I didn’t back off, I just “worked” for like 10 minutes, lol
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Then where did
our discussion on your contradiction of Edgar/GSP end?
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Do I really need to rehash this?
Just scroll down.
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it ended with me asking:
could you point me to the topic where you kill Edgar for his decisions, please?
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
After his second win against BJ
But like I said, whether its right or wrong, the lower weight classes don’t catch as much grief about not finishing fights. I mean, you can imagine a HW champ that always won by decision? I can’t.
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No,
I asked you to link me to an article or post where you criticized Edgar for his lack of finishes, just as your are about GSP.
And last I checked, WW was a wee bit closer to LW than HW, no?
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Without a doubt UFCChamp, at WW 34.5% of fights go to a finish compared to HW that is 65% pretty much double as per below
Lightweight
22.8%
Welterweight
34.5%
Middleweight
37.7%
Light Heavyweight
41.9%
Heavyweight
60.5%
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Thanks, Puck
But I was just talking about the differences in weight themselves.
He made a dumb statement about lighter weight classes not taking criticism for decisions when LW is right next to WW.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
I am not the one that came up with the defintion of lower weight classes
The UFC did when they got rid of the 155 lb division years ago.
Find me one person that believes that WW is considered a “lower weight class”.
And why the fuck should I spend time searching my past comments? To appease you? Do it yourself. Is really not that difficult and you’d learn a thing or two.
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Frankie Edgar fights in the LW division, correct? And what’s the very next division above that one? C’mon…….you can do it…………LOL!
That’s what I thought. And we know there’s nothing on this site with you criticizing Edgar like you do GSP for the exact same thing. Nice try, homie. Checkmate.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
When I watch Edgar, I get a sense that he is trying to finish his opponent. Intent is what it is all about. If GSP had the intent to finish fights, I don’t think he would be getting the flack he is getting. He really gives me the impression that he is riding the fight out, dominating the fight but not willing to chance anything to finish. BTW Edgar did KO Maynard in the last fight and his last 3 fights have been spectacular to watch as well.
"He's got a great package... and an unusual one!" Joe Rogan (of Lyoto Machida)
His wild bombs vs Shields didn't prove he was looking for a KO
Or his arm bar attempt vs Hardy was not a sign? He beat down BJ so bad that he had to QUITE between rounds because if he would of went another round it would finished anyway.
So when you say “trying” what is your definition of trying, edgar trying to jab BJ to a finish?
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
My definition of trying is taking more risk to finish a fight than to go to decision.
"He's got a great package... and an unusual one!" Joe Rogan (of Lyoto Machida)
Yeah and throwing wild bombs is not a risk
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
He was throwing ONE looping punch.
"He's got a great package... and an unusual one!" Joe Rogan (of Lyoto Machida)
Yeah a risky strike, thats my point
It was an ugle attempt at a Hendo bomb but it shows he was trying.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
The line needs to be drawn somewhere
And its drawn between LW and WW.
Stop being so bias.
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Cuz you said so, huh? And......
That’s what I thought. And we know there’s nothing on this site with you criticizing Edgar like you do GSP for the exact same thing. Nice try, homie. Checkmate.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Its because the UFC said so, hamp.
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Link please?
I need a link to where there is a clear distinction pointed out by the UFC that there is some kind of special boundary between LW and WW that doesn’t exist between other weight classes. Good luck!
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
And in the meantime I fully expect you to find me an artcile that states that WW is considered to be one of the lighter weight classes.
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Common sense, homie
LW….WW….MW…..LHW…..HW
Pre-new classed, MW is the middle. LW and WW are lower, LHW and HW are higher. Hooked on phonics necessary for you?
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Present day, motherfucker
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So....
we’re talking historically and you want to include a couple weight classes that were just added?
How convenient. Stil….I guess that truly does leave a big gap between LW and WW. Adding 2 lower classes totally separates those 2 classes quite a bit! LOL
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
From here on out, you are talking to your self
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LOL……..it was only a matter of time. Damage is done, though, Mr. ANS Jr.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
im reading this debate and jeez.......
ufc chump u are making my ears bleed and giving my arse a headache.What a self important prick!!!
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
Run along scottie....
Already made you look like a moron before. You know you don’t want to have anything resembling a logical convo with me. Go cry to someone about how I talked back to ya. LOL
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
i dont remember that
must have been pissed! lol
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
Oh, you were. You even got all tough-guy on me as if your all-talk ass would do something to me if we were in person. lol
And then I noticed you cried about it to a few people later on. Poor thing! HA!
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
im sure ur a girl u know
all women can be argumentative bitches and need to get the last word in
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
HA!
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Says the bitch
who goes and cries about the big bad poster who talked back to him. L-O-L!!! Move along scottie. We both know you’re not on my level, son. Don’t be a fool.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Nope. Wrong guy
It was me.
As for crying……I voted you the biggest troll on site and explained my reasoning.
Thanks for proving my point.
As for the tough guy thing.
Yeah I think I mentioned that I would love to punch your real life face. I stand behind that.
That's like making fun of a maniac because his brain isn't completely right, because he isn't in the norm.
Alice Cooper
Whats up Scotti,
Good to see ya. Hope all has been well.
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Thanks VM
Nice to see you as well.
I couldn’t let scott1 take my shit from this douchebag.
You’ve got my email VM. It’s on my profile if you don’t.
Same to you, UFChamp…if youre ever near Toronto and need to lose a few teeth, look me up.
That's like making fun of a maniac because his brain isn't completely right, because he isn't in the norm.
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The only point I made is that GSP is NOT a finisher
And you? You made no points. Just looked like a fool…
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Maybe you should rehash.
Actually, just reread that Fitch stat of yours. That should be enough to realize who’s the fool.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Prior to GSP beating Serra for the title, there were 18 total UFC Welterweight Championship fights. Of those 18, 15 of them were finished and only 3 had gone to a decision.
However, since GSP/Serra 2, there have been 6 UFC Welterweight Championship fights. Of those 6, only 1 has been finished (the corner threw in the towel between rounds) and 5 have gone to a decision. Hughes’s first title run was also 6 fights. He finished 5 of them and had won one by decision.
Welterweight Championship fights used to be exciting. And those truly are some staggering facts.
I used http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UFC_champions and the links within it to compile the stats if you are looking for a cited source.
Now tell me that GSP is a finisher, go ahead, prove your point.
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And since you probably aren't good at math...
before GSP’s current title run, WW Title fights were finished at a rate of 83.33%
Since GSP defeated Matt Serra, WW Title fights are finished at a rate of 16.67%.
Seriously, I’m waiting for your rational response.
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Ditto my respone to your previous post.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Did I ever say he was?
Please point out where I did. Please! I’m just countering you’re ridiculous, biased bs. Go watch some WWE, ya mouth-breather. lol
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Well, then, it looks like I WON!!!!!!!!!!!!
(see how fucking stupid that sounds?)
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If you can
point out where I said GSP is a finisher, yes, you win.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
You have mentioned that GSP finished BJ about 100 times so far and that Fitch didn't in order to show that GSP is a finisher
I win.
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LOL
Uh……that was just to point out how ridiculous your points were. Sorry……..being too stupid to understand my intention doesn’t count as a victory. I’m so sorry. Try looking some more. Surely I must’ve said it clearly for you to be this sure. LOL
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
you lost
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ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
gsp couldnt finish his dinner
he bores me to tears and i cant wait for the day he loses so we can have some exciting ww title fights in the ufc.On another note there is NO way he ever becomes p4p number 1,that title has got jbj name written all over it.
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
You want finish's give GSP Diaz's last 6 opponents
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Honestly even pre-day weight classes involved 135 and 145
So WW would fall more in the center
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 10, 2011 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
When the UFC first started absorbing the WEC, didn't they officially state they they will be merging the higher weight classes and keeping the lower weight classes in the WEC?
And what weight classes remained in the WEC? LW and under. Hence, the definition of lower or lighter weight classes is LW and below.
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by ViolentMike on Nov 10, 2011 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Thats how we do it in the gym too.
We have Light weights and Heavy weights.
Light is 155 and below
Heavy is 185 and above
And the welterweights do a little in between the two
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 10, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Just the way GSP likes it.
At least I am better than kevjack at making picks. I am satisfied with that.
E was worried that you would turn this thread to shit.
Way to go….
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I warned him
that there would be an f’n idiot to argue with me.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
You think I'm arguing with you?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
This place shouldnt even be called mania or run by Myers and Holland. Since UFChamp owns us all he should just take this place over and use it as a place to school us idiots every day
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 10, 2011 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
honestly
why is it about that? Your signature honestly makes it look like you have soem vendetta against him.
Why does it mean that much to you?
No vendetta......
he’s just a sore loser who loves to try and nitpick with illogical shit. So I get alot of enjoyment out of making him look silly.
How come you’re so worried about me, eoghan?
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Rightly so.....
cuz I never back down and I sure as hell get tons of debating against me about useless crap.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Did you ever wonder
when you are at the center of useless argument after useless argument that maybe you need to look in the mirror to find out why?
No,
I already know why…….it’s because I’m having fun making an idiot look like an even bigger idiot.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
If I'm on here,
it’s usually to kill time. Notice that I’m simply responding to you. So doesn’t all this qualify for you as well???
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
I do not have useless arguments or feel the need to make idiots feel like bigger idiots
I do enjoy learning about what makes people tick, though.
Whoa, dude
I’m here strictly for mma talk. Don’t wanna get all sentimental with ya.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
I am here for friends, watching booty pics and getting a good laugh. I also like to wax dat ass!
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by OJR on Nov 9, 2011 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
100% agree
It only took about 23 hours, but I do believe that we are both on the same page on this topic.
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Cruz has completey cleaned out his division without having any Dan Hardy fights and he also has only lost two rounds doing it.
Maybe if this season of TUF is won by some 125’er that moved up to 135 for the show goes on to make Cruz tap due to strikes will these people consider Cruz a top lb for lb’er
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That will probably happen lol
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
I am not sure the guys left at 135 are big enough to beat Cruz
although Dodson has never been taken down in a professional fight….
Dillashaw with some more time can be a monster and give him huge problems.
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
He does not have that time.
The UFC needs these guys to be contenders within 3 or 4 fights, at most.
He has slightly longer. Cruz nursing an injury will fight the winner of Faber/Bowles. Leaving Dillashaw or anyother 135er at least a year to be ready.
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Hmm, no. But he is a tough guy and may be a force in this division with the way he progresses and the camp he has behind him.
Louis Gaudinot was one of my initial favorites
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
TJ vs Dodson will be a fun fight at the finale
And I really hope to see Bermudez knock of Akira. Akira’s ego is big enough already, I don’t want to see him make the finals.
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You are already counting out Bedford and Pague?
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
I think Bedford had the hardest run so far in the house of all the 135ers. He beat Beebe who was a hot prospect and beat him convincingly. Then he beat Ferguson who was one of the best in the house also.
And while Dillashaw is legit, Dustin did beat Louis who is a very tough guy
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Ferguson one of the best in the house?
No way, he’s simply too small.
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Okay, maybe I exxagerated. He is the 5th best 135er that got in. Out of 8
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
lol
Louis is tough, but also too small for the division. his style of brawling in didn’t work against someone who was both longer and physically stronger.
Aftre watching that fight, I question wether Louis will even stick in the UFC if they do not create a 125 division.
The whole idea was to use this to build into the 125 division. Almost all the 135ers could cut down.
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
I don't know much about the behind the scenes activities but I can't imagine being in much of a hurry to add it
A lot of casual fans are complaining that 7 weight division are too many. Is adding another one so soon the best answer? Or is waiting for the masses to get accustomed to seeing the fighter at 135 and 145 compete before adding more fresh/unheard of faces.
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It is about showcasing MMA as a whole and the 125 pound division has just as much depth as any division and can be the headliners that Fight Nights need.
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
What are your opnions on Super Heavyweights and Woman's MMA?
They are both just as much apart of MMA as a whole as the 125 lb division, no?
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Womans MMA yes. Super HW’s no. There not alot of quality talent at Super HW. Most of those guys are just out of shape mammoth guys.
I have not seen one case for a Super HW being legitimate in MMA.
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
I seen someone named after penis jewelry do it
Don’t believe what you hear out of a fighters’ mouth.
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Didnt get it at all… am I slow today?
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
Prince Albert?
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Shit :( I am slow today.
Technically Eoghan said in a pro fight. Arent those exhibitions. Lol :)
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
That is why I said it the way I did.
although Dodson was very proud of that accomplishment (former accomplishment?) in an interview I read somewhere a few years ago.
Maybe that bit him in the ass.
Doesnt it always?
Diego was heralded to never have been knocked down in MMA. Then Penn knocked him down 10 seconds in.
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Yup, then Hathaway and Kampann proceeded to knock him down as well. I guess its MMA Karma lol
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
A quick look at some of Anderson's opponents
Yushin Okami – 31 fights and only finished once. He fought Anderson and got knocked the fuck out. Cuz that’s what Anderson does. If he fought GSP, GSP would have won by decision.
Vitor Belfort – 28 fights and been finished twice plus a stoppage due to cuts. Anderson front kicked him in the fucking face for the KO. GSP would have humped him for 5 rounds.
Hendo has 36 fights and had been finished twice besides Anderson. If he fought GSP, he’d KO him silly.
Rich Franlin – prior to facing Anderson, he had only been finished once in his career. Anderson is a proven finisher and he KO’d him twice.
Chris Leben was never finished in his career…until he faced Anderson Silva.
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I write:
He truly is only eclipsed by Anderson Silva as the best fighter in the world. But if only he had some killer instinct…
you write:
bq. On that note, we are currently witnessing the two greatest of all time – Anderson Silva and Jon Jones.
I agreed with Anderson Silva and will agree when Jones gets a few more wins.
Why the rant, Mike? It doesn’t change the facts. You are arguing for fighters from other weight classes to be held in higher regard? Sure.
Leben was never finished prior to fighting Anderson
According to your theories, nobody on this earth should have been able to finish him.
Guess what? Anderson did.
Of course I brought up other champions. GSP wants to go down as the greatest MMA fighter ever, not just the greatest WW ever. So it is more than fair to bring other champs into the conversation. If not, then what was the point of this fanpost? You are clearly talking about great fighters finishing fights, not who is the greatest WW ever (which your last comment seems to suggest). So which is it? What was the purpose? Was there one???
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The point of the fanpost was to throw something out there for discussion.
and it worked apparently.
GSP will never be the best ever. He already is the best welterweight ever.
That will remain to be seen. GSP is barely in his prime.
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
What a shame
A champion not even his his prime yet and most people are bored with him.
Trust me, he ain’t doing everything right.
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Well his big sponsors show that he is popular enough without the hardcore fan base that wants him to finish
He is not past his prime and is already the most dominant champ in his weight class, the second best fighter in the world today and one of the sports most recognized athletes.
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
The purists will always be left behind once the dollars get large enough. GSP will continue to win at the expense of the ViolentMike’s of the world.
Hopefully there is still enough dollars at the top once Johnny Bones takes a whole shitpile from GSP.
There will be. The sport is still rising in popularity.
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
GSP's plan in to be known as the greatest MMA fighter ever
Currently, he is number 2. How does he become number one if he just keeps winning decisions and the number 1 keeps knocking everyone out?
Plus, while GSP is reaching his prime, there is a 24 year old fighter that is already primed and ready to pass him in the lb for lb ranks. GSP won’t even be remembered as a top 2 fighter of this generation, never mind the greatest of all time.
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Theory:
Anderson Loses, JBJ Loses.
GSP is the best in the world.
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Waaaaaaaay too many holes in that theory ;)
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True, just saying. It is possible
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
You're gonna need some sweet potatoes to go along when you eat those words in a couple years.
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
-UHC
It is reality
If NNR’s calling from the mountin tops didn’t convince you of Bones, the way he demolishes guys should.
GSP might get to #1 if Bones loses, but two Bones finishes later, he will be back on top.
That doesn’t change GSP. There is always someone better eventually.
GSP will be #1 very soon.
If we go with what you say (and most agree) now that he is #2, he will hop up to the #1 when Chael beats Ando in a few months. Bones will beat Machida, but will have to win a quite few more before taking the #1 away.
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by *Californication* on Nov 8, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions
As soon as Bones beats Machida and Shad the argument is moot.
Bones will have beaten 4 former UFC Champions. One to get the championship. 3 as defenses. All 4 men are arguably in there prime and all were ranked in the top 5, if not higher.
Pretty sure no one has ever done that before.
If it happens, Bones is #1 in my book. Even over Anderson, who I think will lose to Sonnen as well.
I agree
This time next year:
1-Bones
2-GSP
3 and beyond become unclear with Chael owning Andos belt.
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by *Californication* on Nov 8, 2011 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Chael won't even be top 5 P4P.
He shouldn’t be on the list at all IMO, but his style serves to beat Silva (hopefully).
Absolutely.
Chael beating Ando doesnt sub him in for the spot, but it removes Ando—Hence 3&up being your favorite word.
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by *Californication* on Nov 8, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Let’s hope not……I thought Maia had aspirations to move down to WW some time ago.
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by *Californication* on Nov 8, 2011 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yes good stuff.
But you fail to note why said fighters havent been finished and that is because the MW division has always been lacking. As soon as Henderson moved up he got finished by both Nogs. Franklin’s biggest win at the time was a declining Evan Tanner…..12 of his opponents before that dont even have a Wiki page. Leben’s biggest win was freakin Mike Swick. Belfort is a mental midget that only shines when his opponents are outmatched and picked for a spectacular KO. Whenever he steps up, he ALWAYS loses. Same with Okami.
Reason that his opponents have ever rarely ever been finished is because historically MW dont have the power that LHW do. You see that in boxing and other combat sports as well.
MW is where the guys too big for WW but not good enough for LHW go. The dumpster division of MMA.
DONT BE SCARED GSP......DIAZ IS THE GOAT
Same with Okami
?
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Oops didnt finish there,
He didnt face any known finishers either, and for the better part of his early career he was down at WW.
DONT BE SCARED GSP......DIAZ IS THE GOAT
Gotcha.
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but every single fighter at middleweight is horrible and every single fighter at WW is the best in the UFC. Don’t you know that?
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hmmmmmmmm, not sure if sarcastic....
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AS has faced way tougher competition
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by The Grecian Glaswegian on Nov 9, 2011 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
Granted GSP broke Koscheck’s orbital bone in the 1st round and probably should have been able to take advantage, but better punchers couldn’t KO Koscheck, so he gets a pass here, IMO.
Seriously? He gets “a pass” on the Kos fight?
Move to Canada already, geez.
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I agree with VM about Kos and Hardy. GSP should have finished them both. But let's be real, as a GSP fan I recognize that he is content with winning on points. He traded in winning for exciting a while back.
I enjoyed VM’s posts, though. Great points.
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by OJR on Nov 8, 2011 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks OJR
Somebody needed to argue the other side of the coin that E referenced in the title of this fan post
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I am glad you did.
There isn’t anyone better and after how many years you finally jump into a discussion with me with both feet. I knew I could get it out of you somehow.
I haven't reallized that I'd just been dipping in my toes with you in the past
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Never like the above, lol
Good to know you still follow MMA…;)
Besides, I have always had a foot thing anyway.
lol, I hate feet.
I refuse to touch them. They gross me out.
Long ago, the wife stopped asking for foot rubs cuz she knows they ain’t coming!
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I cannot stop laughing at this post. I...don't...understand...can't...stop...laughing...
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by OJR on Nov 8, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
The funniest part..... its 100% truth
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Ain't no fucking ballpark neither!
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hot dogs?
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no shit
I rubbed my wife’s feet everyday for teh first year we got married if neither of us were traveling. Not in a sicko foot fetish way, but to ease tension. Easy way to warm to other things…
Fuck all that jazz
She tells me she want’s a massage. So I rub her shoulders for like 5 minutes and quickly work my way down to her thighs and then right up to her ass. And then – its on!
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You start at the top, I start at the bottom
We both end at the same place.
I am assuming the your wife has long legs because mine has a long torso. We are both minimizing distance and required attention…
HA!
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GSP is expected to finish fights
Says who? Who expects GSP to finish people that most others cant beat?
Chael Sonnen
The job at hand is to win. Anderson Silva and GSP win fights. It isnt in a contract anywhere to finish a fight, it isnt part of your mindset waking up to finish the fight, your coach doesnt train you to finish the fight.
You fight to win. If their is an opening to finish you take it. But at the end of the day, GSP is the most dominant fighter in the UFC. He doesnt lose rounds and he is rarely ever in danger.
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He does lose rounds
To Jake Shields in a kickboxing match. LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I’ve seen bullies on MTV take it to Shields and GSP couldn’t???
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Hard to stand with somebody after they have poked your eyes out.
And to be fair he only won one round, how the hell did the judges give th 4th to Jake I dont know.
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I don't understand how they gave Jake any rounds
What did he do again? Eye pokes don’t score points, so what exactly did he do offensively?
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I'll tell you what he did, he won two of the rounds!
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Depending on the ref, eye pokes can give you a TKO
See: Anthony Johnson-Kevin Burns
At least I am better than kevjack at making picks. I am satisfied with that.
really?
it isnt part of your mindset waking up to finish the fight
you dont go into a fight wanting to finish? i seriously doubt that brotha
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Of course not. Then over aggression comes in, then pressure sets in. When you go in and follow a gameplan their is less pressure. You just go out there and execute. If part of that execution leads to a finish then great.
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
so all these fighters that say
they wanna go in and knock him out or choke him out, theyre all lying to sell the fight? they dont really wanna do that?
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I cant speak for everyone but alot yes. Alot of it is hype. Alot of it is mental also, getting in your opponents head. Getting in your own head. But the main objective is win.
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
obviously the main goal is win
that should go without saying…but at that point, my priority is to finish first, decision if thats what it comes to…im not gonna try to knock out an accomplished striker, but i am gonna try to take him down and submit him…you should go into every fight looking to finish somehow, but if you dont and still get the win thats absolutely fine
We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.
If you are better than you opponent and finish him in 3 minutes, you only leave 3 minutes for somthing flukey to happen
If the plan is take it to a decision, you leave your opponent a whole 25 minutes to pull something out of their ass.
Finishing the fight is the way to go. Especially if you want to gain fans and get noticed.
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I guess that is where I disagree with you also
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
That is when looking to hard comes into play. That is a Jackson thing as well, if you look for openings you wont find them. You shouldn’t put the pressure of a specific result on your shoulders. Why not KO a striker? If you have the pre determined task of subbing him maybe you over committ a TD and you get uppercutted to sleep?
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
I've seen it before
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well...
first of all, you cant say jake won 2 rounds…that was the opinion of one judge, another judge gave that fight to GSP 50-45…also, youre 100% correct, the hardy escape was not a good escape, it was an escape however…the same way that slamming out of a triangle is a terrible escape, but can still be effective
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Exactly. When it comes to escapes it doesnt have to be pretty or fundamentally sound. You either escape or you dont.
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
however
if you did say at one point it was a “good” escape, you deserve a bit of heat for that lol
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It was a good escape. Hardy was in deep trouble and escaped. Very good. I never said technical
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Ohhh, so only the judge that favored GSP should be considered?
They were all judges, and they all count.
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no, they all should be considered
but saying jake won two rounds isnt telling the whole truth, the same way saying GSP swept all 5 doesnt
We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.
Ulf was saying that up until that point, since winning the belt back, GSP has won every round on every card
Clearly, that judges card had Shields winning two rounds.
I don’t see what there is to argue here mike.
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ulf?
In fact, until Jake Shields won two of five rounds against GSP, the champ did not lose a round on all the judges scorecards for 130 consecutive minutes.
he didnt lose a round on ALL the judges scorecards in the shields fight either
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whoops
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No he is not..he is….. :(
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by Lesnar's striking coach on Nov 8, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
I do , I do.
My bad.
My eyes don’t see it, but my brain still interprets it as such.
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Deuce would be so proud of you for this little snitching episode of yours. :)
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by OJR on Nov 8, 2011 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Don't even go there
Complete accident
And completely different!!!!!
LOL
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by OJR on Nov 8, 2011 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
YES!
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by *Californication* on Nov 8, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Hey VM,
What he is saying is pretty simple, stop being bias. One judge says one thing, the other judge says something else. To say Jake won 2 rds is the exact same as another judge saying Jake lost all 5. They both came to the same conclusion…..but both are equally valid assesments.
God Damn it Mike, let me be bias against GSP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But the question is, what did the third judge think?
I really don’t remember, what was it?
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Jake Shields – One dimensional
Dan Hardy – Average in all areas
Thiago Alves – One dimensional
BJ Penn – LW
Serra – Average
That’s not a great list at all and still, GSP has struggled in every fight. He’s failed to finish fights he should have. Fitch is the only impressive win.
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by danago on Nov 8, 2011 12:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Well wait Dan, he hasnt finished… but he hasnt struggled.
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
The fact that he isn’t finishing fights suggests he’s struggling. He had multiple chances to finish Hardy and Alves and failed.
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Struggling to me would show his performance would be lacking, or he would be in danger of losing.
He fought Alves with a groin injury. Ever had one Dan? They suck
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Or do they get sucked?
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I wouldnt want that while its pulled. That would be awful
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by AintNoSunshine on Nov 8, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
never had the nurse suck you with a pulled groin…SMH ans
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has a girl ever sucked your groin?
that would tickle and bit and be very awkward. id rathar if the penis was the thing getting sucked
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Dude, I've sucked it all and had it all sucked.
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His performance is lacking, time and time again he get’s into dominant positions and fails to finish, when he should. His technique was off in the Hardy fight when it came down to it.
Shields won 2 rounds, standing up. That suggests his performance is lacking. He even had Shields hurt in that fight and failed.
Koshceck had 1 eye and he still couldn’t finish him, or at least attempt to. The greatest fighters puts one dimensional fighters in 5 round.
GSP
Shields won 2 rounds, standing up. That suggestshis performance is lackinghe was half blind.
Chael Sonnen
If he was truly half blind he would have quit and threw in the towel himself
GSP is not one that would be willing to face adversity
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Not like he is going to go in the corner and lie to his coach about not being able to see either
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Men have treated GSP's groin much rougher and kinkier than a tear in his private life. That was little to no concern during the fight. Just put a damper on his post fight celebrations.
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That one was a bit rough, trying to do too many things at once...
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by Lesnar's striking coach on Nov 8, 2011 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Jake Shields – One dimensional
Dan Hardy – Average in all areas
Thiago Alves – One dimensional
BJ Penn – LW
Serra – Average
Let’s compare danago here is Diaz
BJ Penn – as you noted a LW and one diminsional
KJ Noons- see BJ Penn
Daley – KOS and Shields who you mention destroyed him and he is one diminsional
Cyborg – Do I really have to point this out
you are trying to cut down GSP’s opponents yet Diaz’s oppoennts lost to GSP opponents…how does that work :)
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KOS and Shields who you mention destroyed him and he is one diminsional
First off, Kos did NOT destroy him, he LnP’d him to a victory.
And yes he is one dimensional….and Diaz beat him in that dimension, something Jake and Kos where unwilling and/or unable to do.
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Its a fight I wouldn't mind watching.
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Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
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Can take Daley down and hold him there.
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i just imagined Daley with his british accent trying to spell “wrestling”….getting mad, and hitting someone who wasn’t looking…oh wait, he did that to Koscheck.
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Here's how i look at it
Georges St. Pierre is the greatest welterweight of all-time and is number two in the world. What he has done to his opponents has fall off of recent. He isn’t the same fighter as he was, he is better at winning and lost his falre. He is losing fan supporta nd the joke of him not finishing can be seen on fairweather fans and even Canadians (ive seen the reaction after 129). People are rallying behind Nick Diaz and GSP is Tom Brady while Anderson Silva is peyton manning.
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by Lesnar's striking coach on Nov 8, 2011 12:16 PM EST reply actions
The challenger argument
Why the f is it that the onus is on the champ to A) finish; and B) put on an exciting fight. Shouldn’t the challenger have just as much responsibility heaped on them if the fight is another 5 round lack-luster decision. The challenger should be hungrier than the champ. To be the man, you gotta beat the man (Woooooooooo!) and THIS IS YOUR SHOT. But nobody – not one challenger GSP has fought since becoming champ – has brought the fight to GSP. THEY, I submit to the jury, are the ones fighting safe. Chael got dirty with Anderson. He took shots to get into a dominant position, forced his gameplan and imposed his will. Nobody ever does that with GSP – why? Silva is a much most dangerous striker than GSP, so you wouldn’t have to worry about getting clipped with power strikes. With GSP the challengers get in there and you can see there is no urgency. No aggression. They are not hungry – not willing to get dirty. They allow him to get comfortable, keep his distance and implement a game-plan that allows him to win while taking little damage. So while a share of criticism is valid re: GSP safe-game planning since winning the gold, I say a greater share should be attached to the challenger. You AIN’t getting a second chance #1 contender – so f’n fight like it. (Good article Eoghan).
That armbar was deeper than the one against Hughes and GSP had no problem torquing Hughes to submission.
No, no it wasn’t.
GSP had poor technique.
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+1
that was bluebelt level bjj… which is surprising since GSP trains with guys like Roger and Braulio. he tried to muscle it by using his hands instead of trapping the arm, and thats y hardy was able to wiggle out
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he lost it because he crossed his legs
if you look at it, GSP does trap the arm at first, but hardy is able to slip it out because GSPs legs were not positioned correctly…if he doesnt cross his legs, hardy never has the room to slip his arm out, and GSP finishes…he had no choice but to go 2-on-1 with his hands at the end or else he would have lost it completely, which he did anyway
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haha, this is why youre an idiot
you show a picture of one second where his legs are not crossed and that means he never did it…as a matter of fact, only watch the first 2 minutes of hughes and triggs fight at 52, cause i want to hear you come back and make a case that trigg won the fight
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Looks like he crosses at about :06
Not for long, though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QONh7i9Zkg
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by *Californication* on Nov 8, 2011 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
he does
and had his heel been flat against Hardy’s body, Dan never would have been able to grab the heel.
I get it.
Just a better view
Skip to the replay at :54
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by *Californication* on Nov 8, 2011 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CuiK8vJnyo
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by *Californication* on Nov 8, 2011 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Was thinking the same thing LOL
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by *Californication* on Nov 8, 2011 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
Insults, how mature.
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GSP should have tucked Dan's wrist under GSP's armpit and broke that shit off.
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how to put ur feet is a matter of debate
some blackbelts ive trained with love it because it opens up a triangle when they roll up, while others swear against it. its a matter of personal preference.
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ive never heard of anyone that advocates crossing your legs
anyone…the chance of the other person rolling up is exponentially lowered if you dont cross your legs, that makes no sense to me
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by magicmike on Nov 8, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The guy who showed me it has won the worlds, he was a triangle guy tho
that said i prefer not to cross my legs, i think it makes it harder to push the face with my leg. Black belts debate everything, i watched an instructional vid of saulo ribeiro doing a sweep and he said always put ur foot like this, then watched one of his students do the same sweep and say never put ur foot that way. Also, when Renzo does the armbar from guard he crosses his feet.
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i dont wanna be a dick and call you out
but renzo does not cross his legs, ever…i have never rolled with renzo personally, but i have watched him roll with others in person, and my masters who i have rolled with personally are both renzo black belts…i have heard all 3 advocate never crossing your legs
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sorry
i might have the wrong gracie, i get them mixed up pretty easily. Either way, i know one of them does it from guard so quickly that they think adjusting their legs to push will give their opponent a chance to try and pull their arm out, so they just cross them and lift.
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honest mistake
no harm, no foul…but i would be interested to find out who it was that youre thinking of…not crossing your legs is a pretty standard tenet of gracie jiu-jitsu, id be curious to see who strayed from that, even for just one technique
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pretty standard tenet of gracie jiu-jitsu
Gracie Jits sure, but there are many styles of Jits.
The Japanese style advocates crossing your legs depending on you leg length and your opponents body position.
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but hes talking about a gracie
seriously, read before you comment
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So what?
I didn’t realize this was the Gracie thread.
I was simply adding to this
Black belts debate everything, i watched an instructional vid of saulo ribeiro doing a sweep and he said always put ur foot like this, then watched one of his students do the same sweep and say never put ur foot that way.
Seriously, what’s your problem?
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if not seeing any value in your comments is a problem, then i guess thats it
otherwise, i dont think i have a problem…you werent adding to that comment, if you were you would have replied to it…instead you replied to my comment with something related to my comment…even though what you said was pointless, it was still pretty clear who it was directed towards
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I guess you're not a fan of Japanese Jits then...
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Aww cmon magicmike
I bet we could be friends.
Hug?
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i dont hate you
its a fucking blog, i dont take it that seriously…but i dont think you really add anything of value to the discussion 99% of the time, so, to me, your comments are just unnecessary noise…im sure people think the same about me too, thats just the way it is
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So no hug?
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If it means anything Tomasi I appreciate your comments.
You usually bring some interesting gifs, but other than that YOU CAN GTFO
I don't know, Marge. Trying is the first step towards failure.
That helps
magicmikes disapproval cut me deeply….but your support talked me down from the ledge, thanks pal.
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Woah, don't let someone as insignificant as me alter your life in anyway meaningful way.
To quote Roth: “Go ahead and jump”
I don't know, Marge. Trying is the first step towards failure.
well this
pussy canadian likes gsp..i don’t care as much as some about him finishing a fight..i mean i am rooting for him to..but it does not sway me completely..the guy is getting the W!! he is exciting to watch because he dominates the fighter.. he does not let you leave pretty usually..and this fight is gonna make me crazy like every gsp fight because i am so nervous for a lose.. diaz is no slouch..but i am hoping georges makes it look like he is by taking him down effortlessly.. yes gsp could get tagged on the “button” just as any fighter can..but i just want to see a good fight and if it ends in another decision..you all might cry but georges is laughing all the way to the bank..
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by OJR on Nov 8, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions
It's hard to beat the dreams out of a man
GSP’s been fighting guys who are fighting the fight of their lives. Most guys are willing to sacrifice pain and disfigurement in the effort/hope of a victory. He’s dominating fighters and choosing where the fight takes place in every fight. I wouldn’t change a thing if I were him.
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Very nice post Owen. Very nice.
I believe the only valid criticism for not finishing goes to his fight against Hardy. Like you say, no excuses there.
And that is why I want to see bone marrow go flying in the air if he gets Diaz in the same position. I just want to see both of Diaz Ulna and Radius bones stick out of Diaz arm. I want the crowd to shield their eyes from the horror. I want this finish to be a black eye for all of mma. I want Fox to reconsider their deal with the UFC because that shit is just too fucking violent.
No mercy anymore. I want GSP to be criticized for intentionally making the sport look like a barbarian and inhuman contest.
This year, GSP is fighting on my birthday and goddammit, that’s my dearest wish.
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
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You think GSP is going to armbar Diaz?
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It could happen.
GSP is much stronger and those long and skinny arm’s of Diaz are an interesting target when on top of him which even you knows will happen.
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
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I can't see that happening.
If GSP beats Diaz it will be by decision.
I guess anything is possible but…….I wouldn’t count on it.
Learn JiuJitsu.
Don't believe the hyperbole, it's like a murder spree, get sniped verbally.
Brett Ratner sucks.
You don't think Nick can lose due to cuts?
Nick was just on InsideMMA this week. Before the show started, he was in the back getting some quick makeup put on for the cameras. They were smoothing his complexion using a powder puff. Long story short, it split Nick open and he required 8 stitches. He cuts waaaaay too easily to be pounded on for 25 minutes.
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When he gets punched more than like 5 times in a fight, he opens up
The times he didn’t get cut were when he finished the fight before getting hit 6 times. BJ marked him up pretty good in a span of about 6 minutes. I fear for what a determined GSP can do to him with elbows on the ground. Nick losing by cut is the only chance GSP has at finishing this fight.
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BJ swelled his eye up
but no actual bleeding cuts.
See? He has some abrasions, but not a true cut.
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Odd, considering that I watched the fight and seen him bleeding.
Did you catch the fight?
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I watched it 6 times, (I might go watch it again right now.)
Where is this grizzly cut you’re talking about? It wasn’t a particularly bloody fight.
I’m looking for a pic of a bad Diaz cut in this fight, but I just can’t find one.
Maybe a little one here, but it’s hardly a danger for stopping the fight.
Learn JiuJitsu.
Hey VM we should have sig and picture bet on this fight?
Terms: The fight must be finished(and getting beat up too bad and the ref having to stop is a finish)
GSP finish = Puck win
Diaz finish =VM win
Going to the score card = draw
Hey if your so sure GSP won’t be able to finish Diaz you should have little to worry about?
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Where did I ever sound so sure?
I have been the one saying that GSP had a great chance to win by dr stoppage due to cuts.
Little to worry about? As if one worries about a sig/pic bet… lol I have never once made a sig or pic bet. If you want to bet with me, you better be putting your money where your mouth is.
And considering that I already have a bet with NNR consisting of
GSP finish = NNR wins
All other outcomes = I win
And I have already been offered the same bet from two other people, one of which is in this thread. So why would I accept your unfair offer?
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Because it's only a sig and pic bet, we can include being cut and the doctor stopping it also a no win?
Personally I want GSP to beat on Diaz Fitch style so I can hear some crying.
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Not boring to me and many others
The more educated you are on MMA the more you respect other styles. Same as boxing there are the fans that just like the big punchers then there are more educated fans that understand boxing skills and enjoy watching a 12 round battle, or one sided beating.
Everybody pretty much likes a knock out but understaning what Fitch and GSP actually do to opponents and see their skills dominate their competitions skills is very entertaining to me.
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To each their own
I find the grappling in MMA to be very enjoyable last UFC as an example there were too many finish’s for my liking and left me craving more but the struggle grappling between leben and munoz early in their fight was a treat and to see Munz’s superior grappling take over like GSP has done to so many of his opponents is thrilling to me.
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I feel ya, Puck
Nice to know there are other nose-breahers around here.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
breathers*
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Lets bet even money on whether or not GSP wins by sub. $10. I got the no. What do ya say?
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You think GSP is that good that I have to pick the exact manner with which he wins to win the bet?
You are right. He is that good.
I’ll wager 60$ that GSP finishes that thug. How does that sound?
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
-UHC
With odds
Don’t let him take 1-1 odds on that bet. He’s always getting the sweet end of the deal, make him at least give 2-1.
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You think GSP's odds to finish will be greater than +200?
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I'd even be taking GSP to finish at those odds.
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He is facing a known bleeder and has an obvious gameplan of GnP this fight
And you know I have bet on GSP by UD going back as far as I can remember.
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Obvious gameplan of GNP?
What makes you so sure? GSP will be a lot faster on his feet than Diaz. He won’t stand there flat-footed like BJ letting Nick rip on his body.
GSP could jab Diaz all night long if he wanted to.
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No he can't, and no he won't.
Diaz isn’t a blinded, curly haired douchebag. He won’t just stand there and watch himself get punched in the face. He is going to bring the fight to GSP, GSP ain’t going to like it, and he’s going to have to take him down and hope the bell for the end of the round rings before the ref tells them to stand back up because he’s boring everyone.
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We'll see
GSP will mix it up. He’s not going to want to sit in Diaz’ guard all night. Unlike most people, Diaz isn’t a fish out of water on his back.
Diaz doesn’t have one hitter quitter power. GSP won’t be scared to jump in and out all night sticking and moving. Diaz has to land a few light ones to get his range for the more powerful punches. He won’t get chances to land 3 or 4 in a row. This one won’t look like BJ and all the other guys that just stand in front of Diaz. Nick won’t have a speed advantage.
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So you see GSP getting the best of the standup?
Not I.
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I do but it won't matter. GSP will take him down to avoid damage. The REAL battle will be Diaz BJJ vs. GSP's top control. That will be awesome to see.
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by OJR on Nov 8, 2011 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
Even better will be the elbows raining down.
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
-UHC
Is that how you see a stoppage for GSP? I don't even though its his best bet.
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by OJR on Nov 8, 2011 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
It's one of them if the occasion arises.
One thing is for sure, he won’t have any problem getting into a position to do that if he wants. I am not too concerned with an arm triangle here. GSP is no Sonnen in top position.
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
-UHC
gsp’s plan will be to get the takedown with a min or so left in the round, and or press diaz into the catch, scoop the legs, and get the takedown late in the round to minimize the time in diaz’s guard and maximize the judges scoring of his takedown toward winning the round like gsp does enough to win decisions that are lackluster and boring as f***
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by theworldsoldestsport on Nov 8, 2011 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
kos wasnt blinded either
not going into the fight, GSP made him that way
We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.
Ohhh, and GSP came to the Shields fight pre-blinded?
This does work both ways you know
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it sure does
you are aware that GSP was POKED in the eye right? repeatedly…whereas GSP broke kos orbital bone with a jab…you can make the argument, but its a losing one
We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.
Was a foul called? Nope.
And the fact remains that Shields inflicted the damage to GSP.
And how does one have the ability to break someone’s orbital bone in less than one minute and inflicts zero damage (wow, you threw a jab, whoopty doo) and doesn’t once try to finish for the next 24?
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i cant deal with irrationality
no, a foul was not called, but that does not mean a foul was not committed…in reference to your second question, i cant answer that, youd have to ask GSP himself…i would tend to say gameplan has something to do with it
We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.
Once Jon Jones breaks someone's orbital and the fighter is able to survive another 24 minutes, then I will hand it to you
But the one time I recall Bones breaking an orbital, Vera was tapping before Bones could wind back up.
So are you saying that you don’t think GSP fights safe?
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i never once said that
i think its pretty clear that he fights safe…but i believe it was you who said somewhere in this thread that he has lost the ability to finish fights, and that i disagree with
We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.
Those two fractures were completely different. Jones shattered several bones in Vera’s face with an elbow, including his zygomatic arch. GSP’s fracture actually happens from the hydraulic pressure that the eyeball creates in the socket. Kos must have gotten punched right on the eyeball. When it expanded, it breaks the bone inside the eye socket which are very thin and weak.
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You had me at zygomatic arch
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Always Sunny fan?
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Its my favorite night of TV right there!
I was was just talking about the diddling episode tonight with someone too. Love that show. Hard to believe that they are in their 7th season already. Its one of the few shows that I watch weekly and then buy the DVD/BluRay. Lost, Always Sunny, and The League.
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i just had my favorite night of TV
and it didnt disappoint
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I never got into Lost
I missed the first few and then the polar bear made no sense so I gave it up after one episode.
I don’t like any TV enough to wan to watch it over and over again any more. I stopped my DVD purchases with The Sopranos. Although “The Walking Dead” has a chance to make into my library.
Netflix Lost if you can.
Trust me. I think you’d love it. Its deep
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My favorite new show this season is American Horror Story.
I’m hooked
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Reheheheheheheeeeealllly. I will have to check it out. I love horror stuff.
"He's got a great package... and an unusual one!" Joe Rogan (of Lyoto Machida)
Wow this is the most responses I have ever gotten. lol.
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What up Crizzy
And American Horror Story is pretty cool. A little freaky too. Still, nothing touches Sons of Anarchy.
At least I am better than kevjack at making picks. I am satisfied with that.
I'm planning on starting to watch that show soon on Netflix, but I'm so far behind on my shows that it will probably be a while before I have the opportunity.
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You need to watch from Day 1 Season 1 or you’ll have a bit of a time trying to follow everything.
At least I am better than kevjack at making picks. I am satisfied with that.
Can't wait for the new season of East bound & Down myself
What’s American Horror story about?
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Oh really? Thanks for the tip
I was going to watch them on Netflix and watch every fourth episode starting with number 22.
Or course I’ll start with the first episode!!!!!!!!!! lol
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I have DVR'ed the 1st 4 or 5 eps. Everybody keeps saying how good it is.
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AHS or SOA?
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AHS. As for SOA I saw the 1st 2 seasons on NF.
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I had the first 5 episodes on my DVR until this past weekend.
I watched the first episode and instantly needed more. I just got caught up with the last 2 episodes last night and was actually almost upset that I had no more to watch, lol Luckily there is a new episode on tonight to fulfill my need.
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By sub or KO/TKO but TKO's due to doctor stoppage voids the bet.
Winning by cuts is weak and it not a true TKO.
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F you please.
I will say again for one last time so hear me out pussy.
I’ll wager 60$ that GSP finishes that thug.
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
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Only GSP, Nick and the ref should be allowed to stop the fight.
Not some community college med school flunk out.
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I already concede immense ground on the fact that I need to specify a finish.
You really think GSP is that good? Makes sense though, you act like a fool but I know you ain’t one. Trying to fool me though but you know I’m smarter.
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
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Ok, then what kind of odds would you be willing to offer me on just the winner.
GSP opened up at -450 for their first fight. So, don’t think that I’d accept anything less than that price on Diaz (+450)
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Alright, you want to play it safe? Nothing wrong with that.
I think you need to take some chances sometimes but that’s just me.
My terms are what they are and if you think that’s too dangerous a move for you to make, nothing will be said by anyone, anywhere, anytime.
Not.
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
-UHC
Why would I offer you better odds on GSP than BoDog and other online casinos?
That wouldn’t make any sense. I would just bet on BoDog.
So let me know when you are actually willing to take a risk. My bet history proves that I am. Don’t be scared, homie.
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That's because I specify GSP will FINISH Diaz.
BoDog don’t do that.
Just admit Diaz will most likely get finished and I won’t harass you anymore. Promised.
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
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Yan - your emotions are overtaking your common sense. GSP will not finish Diaz. UD.
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by OJR on Nov 8, 2011 5:58 PM EST up reply actions
It is not a guess my friend.
She saw it and she told me.
Not the same.
Now have a cookie.
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
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You must not be on BoDog then
Props come out the day before the fight there.
Other online casinos will offer them right away.
Diaz will most likely lose by decision or by cuts. He is not getting KO’d or submitted.
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I'll check it out. I'm no online gambler really. Despite the bravado talk.
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Speaking of scared, you have never man'd up and bet me on GSP finishing a fight.
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Lol, I don't know, did you? I don't think so.
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I don't even remember the fight
But I guaranteed a GSP finish twice now losing both times. It probably was against you, you bastard.
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It was against Diaz and I had a similar bet too but all deals went off on Diaz not showing up.
Now I’m back. Anyone interested? I don’t care, I’ll work overtime and answer everyone.
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
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I remember now, mine was with freenow.
Where are you at Free?
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What was the bet with free?
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$20
He’s no swinging-for-the-fence-Chris Leben either.
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I had to twist his arm quite a bit for it if I recall.
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
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Not how much, what is it?
A straight be on who wins? even odds? GSP has to finish???
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The exact same offer I am presenting you.
GSP has to finish.
You can ask free. And jay for that matter, he was the banker on that bet. But he forgets things, I know.
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
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Now you're thinking:
“Am I more of a pussy than free is?”
I’m thinking the same thing.
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
-UHC
Gotta go now. You know where to find me if you grow a pair.
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
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Actually, now that I think about it.
I already have the same bet with NNR.
We agreed to it right after he paid me for BJ not finishing Diaz.
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I have GSP by UD
But I will be rooting harder for Nick than I’ve ever rooted for anyone in any fight, period. That is a fact.
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Yup, that's precisely the reason.
Idiot
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Why would you want Diaz to win, though?
He’d have to rematch GSP again. It’s a waste of time. GSP would figure out what he did wrong the first time and beat him the second time. That could lead to GSP/Diaz like it was Edgar/Maynard for two years.
Fuck that.
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That deserves no response. So I will post this.
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I've seen my share of fucked up GIFs
but I think this one takes it.
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I laughed!
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by OJR on Nov 8, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
You laugh at little kids getting napalmed?
So unlike you.
Kidding here, it’s a funny and terrifying GIF alright.
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the images arent funny
but the concept is hilarious lol
We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.
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Even if they somehow win GSP will just win in a rematch amirite?" — jay
Learn JiuJitsu.
Don't believe the hyperbole, it's like a murder spree, get sniped verbally.
Brett Ratner sucks.
I am getting angry.
I’m thinking about stopping by Tristar and just punch GSP in the face so he gets as angry as me and obliterates Diaz. I’m at that point.
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
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It's possible. Always is.
I’m just on full tilt right now.
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
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Especially when GSP gasses late on and doesn’t have the energy to defend himself, let alone fight back. He will be tested mentally, and pussy GSP will quit.
GSP
Me! Me! I know that!
Never.
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
-UHC
Sheilds fight he slowed down. The question is, when has GSP ever fought a world class boxer who competes in triathlons. He has he ever fought a thug life soldier who is prepared to die in the cage?
GSP
When has Diaz ever fought a Canadian that trains with the Canadian men's gymnastics team?
Almost as relevant as marathons.
Cote
They look like skinny bitches to me.
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
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Good questions but you're changing the subject.
GSP has never gassed. Fuckin ever.
Even when his car runs out of gas, he just squeezes the steering wheel and it keeps going.
Dan, I have helped you out as much as I can to become a good troll but sometimes, I just think I’m waisting my time.
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
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If GSP's a pussy
How do you classify all the other men in the world that able to weigh 170 pounds?
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Why, what round are you picking Diaz to stop him in?
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lol
I would say 4th. It’s my two favorite WW’s in the world.
I’m almost at the point where I’d prefer Diaz to win. I’ve liked Diaz longer than I’ve known of GSP. I don’t know who to root for really.
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Nice, I'm happy to hear Jay
Its quite easy for me though. Its literally my absolute favorite fighter against my absolute most hated fighter. I’d be feeling a lot better if my favorite was the 5 to 1 favorite though…
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Least favorite? Really?
Because of a streak of decisions? Cruz, Aldo (now), Edgar…..These champions are killers either. Why aren’t you talking shit about them? Why don’t you hate them?
Aldo isn’t going to be finishing shit the way he’s fighting. The fucking guy gasses every fight now. You should be all over him. At least GSP isn’t getting manhandled in the last two rounds because he can barely stand from exhaustion.
I bet you think Aldo’s exciting though.
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Don't tell me who to like and who not too.
Aldo doesnt constantly blab to the media in a gay french accent about how he wants to be the greatest MMA fighter of all time, he is doing this all for his “legacy” and that he is going to finish his next opponent and then not even try.
I have hated GSP for many years and for many biased reasons. I can go into them all at a later date when I have more time. About to leave…
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What happen you found out GSP was not gay and had to burn all your GSP posters:)?
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Will you be here all week?
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You better not be around me then.
Stay where you are.
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
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Hey guys..first time posting/ long time reader, im really new to mma so if i say some thing thats absurd give me a pass lol
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Welcome to Mania.
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by OJR on Nov 8, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
thanks
ive been back and forth from be to mania and ill make mania my home
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They both have their place in your bookmarks.
Just don’t get heated at BE and stay on topic or you will get the banhammer.
Here are some absurd things to try out and see how well they go over
1. Sweet round asses don’t really interest me all that much.
2. Mark Coleman’s Takedown Coach always raises insightful points.
3. I’m really jealous of the cards they get at the PPVs in England.
4. There is no such thing as too many GIFs of cute kittens.
At least I am better than kevjack at making picks. I am satisfied with that.
#1 is straight blasphemy.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
I'll take you under my wing.
I’ll tell you who are the good guys and who are the bad ones.
First lesson:
You must click on reply when addressing someone.
Practice and report back to me when you it got down.
P.S. I might be one of the bad guys.
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
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when student is ready the teacher will appear
lol its a honor to be your grass hopper
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Well you already lose one pass for the name 3cheerios
But welcum babe we don’t bite ..
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by wooly shambler on Nov 8, 2011 5:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You bite like a Great White, hahaha! Beware the wooly shambler!
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by OJR on Nov 8, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
+1
"When swinging from nut-sack of the mighty "Quittin" Rampage Jackson, try to avoid getting his ball-sweat in your eyes….it tends to blind you from the obvious. Now, if I could just play a round of golf with my dream foursome of Chael Sonnen, Larry Merchant and Danago, I can die a happy man."
by wooly shambler on Nov 8, 2011 6:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
hey cheerio fuck gsp
Just to let u know .. most new people like him cuz he wins pffft pathetic
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by 209stk on Nov 8, 2011 6:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yeah i agree with you on gsp as of lately
but what ever happened to heath hearring also what happened to the free prelims on ion television….
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Ion did 50% viewersip than what Spike did
ad revenue followed so it got cut.
Business 101: Go where the money is.
Movies paid him more last I heard
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why is this an argument?
haters GSP has 2 losses 1 a lucky flurry from serra who didnt showcase standup until then and the other a last second loss to hughes literally 1 second. finish or not GSP is the best fighter on the planet. do u guys want him to go out and bang like leben? sloppy like.
andre arloski ko
seen the vid on youtube ,scrolled down read a couple of comments and this had me lol
Arlovski is lucky that a breeze wasnt rolling by or he would have been the one getting knocked out.
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has anyone ever told you that…….life simply goes on
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Welcome…..Fuck you
(Geno will shit his pants at this welcoming)
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by *Californication* on Nov 8, 2011 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
read the sig
which is more pathetic that bad pic or you actually being a adult who took the time to do this
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Took the time to post on a blog that you are also posting on?
(Geno will shit his pants at this welcoming)
Busting Genos balls and you happened to be the sacrificial lamb, my friend.
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by *Californication* on Nov 8, 2011 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
ooohhkkkk
just hope this doesnt go to the level of hazzing
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Afraid of a little hazing? Come out of the gate with midol in hand….
I give you a week and a half here.
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by *Californication* on Nov 8, 2011 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
naw i got thick skin
was just expecting to have dialectic conversations you know ….i tend to frequent alot of circles
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They go every which way here. Spend time learning who to talk to. It is almost as imortant as what you are talking about.
All these websites regurgitate the same stuff, so the topics are pretty common (excepting opinion pieces) so the straying from the topic at hand happens frequently.
Forgive Cali…he is of the old school guard that thinks you should have to wash his car andd his his balls to get accepted. i only want you to wash my balls.
Not entirely sure of what kind of circles you like to frequent, but if circle jerks are what you're all about, let me recommend BE for you
Or if you have a cat fetish, I recommend BE for you.
If you meet neither of those criteria and are an MMA fan, than mania is for you.
Welcome aboard (I hope)
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you forgot
“if you don’t know what pseudointellectualism means, but want everyone to know how smart you are, then go to BE.”
GSP is lucky
has there been any other champ in ufc or mma history that got ko’d then gotta rematch asap
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Lesson #2:
GSP had to fight Koscheck and Hughes to get a rematch.
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
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Lesson #4
When looking to “Only 1 of 2 multidivisional champions, who beat the best of the best to become and defend 5 titles agains the divisions elite, in their prime, and become a HOFer who fought and beat guys half his age while becoming the pillar of MMA during his reign”
Also look under Couture, Randy.
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by *Californication* on Nov 8, 2011 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
Lesson #5
When looking at the history of multiple division champions in the UFC, look at the “why did he get a shot” as much as the end result. While winning and holding these titles were impressive, the law of averages say that even blind hogs find acorns.
Lesson #6
Post a gif flipping off all Randy-Haters
"I want to feel Nick Diaz’ finger in me. To feel his load blow all over my face would make life complete for me – Then I’ll spit it back into BJ’s mouth and we can all have a sexy party"
by *Californication* on Nov 8, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Lesson #7
Couture fans realize at some point that he really only wanted to get paid and resort to posting “clever” gif’s as their last attempt at rebuttal.
Lesson #8
Some fans care more about how a fighter does in a fight as opposed to how he got there.
Randy should have never got his title shot against Timmy because he was coming out of retirement, lost last fight, and moved up a weight class.
Brock Should have never got his title shot in his 4th fight.
Look how that turned out.
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by *Californication* on Nov 8, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
Was the Machida fight more than a paycheck?
If no, please expalin how.
and we will end in an “agree to disagree” position until next time, lol.
Einstein was talking about us you know…
He was coming off three consecutive wins when he agreed to fight Machida who asked for it.
Exactly which fight turned his career from fighting for the competition to fighting for the paychcheck?
He wasn’t CroCop simply riding out his lucrative contract with consecutive shit losses.
"I want to feel Nick Diaz’ finger in me. To feel his load blow all over my face would make life complete for me – Then I’ll spit it back into BJ’s mouth and we can all have a sexy party"
by *Californication* on Nov 8, 2011 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
hahaha
Beating Brandon Vera in a very ugly fight that anyone not named Randy Couture probably loses gets you a fight with Machida?
ok, really, I am done. Agree to disagree. Randy got paid a fuck ton of money to get KO’d by a front kick. At least I don’t have to suffer through these arguments every 5 months any longer.
Wait…he was gifted Machida too eh.
The guy was coming off back to back losses vs Randy’s 3 in Row. If 3 wins over subpar comp vs 2 losses is your hand, don’t bet all your chips. Randy got paid a shit ton for every fight.
Alright, put a fork in me…
"I want to feel Nick Diaz’ finger in me. To feel his load blow all over my face would make life complete for me – Then I’ll spit it back into BJ’s mouth and we can all have a sexy party"
by *Californication* on Nov 8, 2011 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
mazer79
no but when your that good you should wow have you no clue your mind is a the most leatheal wepone we have he has it so do i and for the rest try 2 be him try 2 fight like him gsp is a icone all this shit he she best no sucks such bull shit its like when i fought people and hurt them just 2 prove i was tough dumb smartin up this guy is a good person and with class he could break an arm or kick you in the head flying knee even more a single right leg take down put you in a munt ground you like beff flip you over and chock your chickity out gsp will not risk his belt he will win win win game plane mind over matter a science go to school wow!!!
by Fred Mazerolle on Nov 9, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
I couldn't even make it a quarter way thru it.
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Gsp is a great athlete
But with silva sticking around and bones and Cain living and breathing , George will only be the best welterweight .
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by wooly shambler on Nov 8, 2011 5:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Unless he lasts longer than Silva.
If GSP is still ww champ long after Silva has retired then what?
Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.
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then he still got finished twice in the ufc silva hasn't
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by 209stk on Nov 8, 2011 6:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And silva is going to be undefeated for another 6 years according to him .
Gsp is going to have a much harder time because he fights for half an hour against every single contender , silva just finishes them like a real warrior
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by wooly shambler on Nov 8, 2011 6:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
“Of course, he gets guys like Trigg and Hughes, both well past their prime, to pad his finishing rate. That’s a luxury St. Pierre will never have.”
YOU ARE AWARE GSP FOUGHT MATT HUGHES 3 TIMES, RIGHT???
It’s called SHERDOG FIGHTFINDER.
USE IT.
Gatti. Dekkers. Pele. Aoki. Kang. Vanderlei. Basillio. Harry Greb.
by theworldsoldestsport on Nov 8, 2011 10:35 PM EST reply actions
AND he's fought Trigg...
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Here is some food for thought regarding the UFC Welterweight Championship
Prior to GSP beating Serra for the title, there were 18 total UFC Welterweight Championship fights. Of those 18, 15 of them were finished and only 3 had gone to a decision.
However, since GSP/Serra 2, there have been 6 UFC Welterweight Championship fights. Of those 6, only 1 has been finished (the corner threw in the towel between rounds) and 5 have gone to a decision. Hughes’s first title run was also 6 fights. He finished 5 of them and had won one by decision.
Welterweight Championship fights used to be exciting. And those truly are some staggering facts.
I used http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UFC_champions and the links within it to compile the stats if you are looking for a cited source.
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For those that aren't good with numbers, that is
before GSP’s current title run, WW Title fights were finished at a rate of 83.33%
Since GSP defeated Matt Serra, WW Title fights are finished at a rate of 16.67%.
WOW. And this is our most dominant WW champion ever, what a shame.
Long live Matt Hughes!
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whats your opinion on Shields, Fitch, Sonnen, Edgar,
I find it funny that a MMA fan doesn’t enjoy watching MMA. Kimbo is getting KO in boxing maybe that more what your after?
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Where did that come from?
Another Puck argument from left field?
I like all those guys and have discussed that with you in the past. Was your reply meant for Mike?
I've always been a huge fan of Fitch, and may have been his only one at times on here
I’m not the biggest Shields fan, but his 209 connections find me rooting for him more often than not.
I was not a fan of Chael Sonnen until he lost his mind. He is such a character now, I love it. He is perfect for that role. Not many people have that man’s wit.
And I also love Frankie Edgar. Big Frankie fan right here. The kid is as tough as they come.
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Been an Edgar fan since the Griffin fight
Frankie has heart for MILES, but I lost some respect when he brought his entourage to watch the replay of Edgar/Maynard II for the primetime special.
Was pulling hard for Maynard after that PT
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by *Californication* on Nov 8, 2011 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Not me
but he made me a fan with his determination.
The UFC needs to do a better job of focusing on displaying the fighter’s emotions leading up to fights like they did with Gray. It will help people from all spectrums gain an insight into MMA. With most of the primetime’s, and most of Heyman’s work, they are only appealing to the fans that want to see a fight. Not martial arts fans, IMO. Sure the two demographics overlap, but not as much as most would believe.
my point is also being a Fitch fan
Is how can you cut down GSP for not finishing and none of these other guys? Would you be happier if Fitch won? And what would you say to those that critisize Fitch.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Because Fitch is not the champion and is not regarded as a Top 2 lb for lb fighter.
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??
I think some have him in the top ten P4P, and he is though of as the #2 WW by most, Shields was SF champ. Cause your champ you have to finish fights? You have to also look at percentage that the fighter he has faced have been finished. Realistically we know GSP is not a KO artist and going agaisnt fighter that have rarely been finished you expect a finish.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Leading up to and including Jake's EliteXC WW title run, he was on a huuuuge tear of finishing fights.
Somebody that achieved top 10 status and is proud is very different than someone sitting at number 2 that wants to be number one more so than anything in the world, and will not be happy until they are. Yet refuses to display killer instinct.
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Didn't you say you're an Edgar fan?
6 of his 9 wins in the UFC are by decision. Pretty sure he’s considered as a top 4 p4p fighter. Contradict much????
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Do people claim he's number one?
Nope. If they did, I would argue that he wasn’t.
And why are you so concerned with who I like and who I don’t like? The topic is whether or not GSP finishes fights and its clear as gay that GSP does not.
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You admit to being biased against GSP
therefore you don’t like him. You do like Edgar. You’re criticizing GSP, yet Edgar is fine and dandy? lol
I think GSP is #2 and Edgar is either #3 or #4. Are you saying that you have an imaginary line listed after #2 in which you require much less out of a fighter??? LOL!!!!!
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Did I say that that is the only reason I don't like GSP?
Nope.
I can say that I don’t like a fighters’ hair, so I don’t like them. I could say I seen him in person and he smelled like rotting potatoes, so I don’t like him. I can say that he is Moammar Gadhafi’s favorite fighter, so I don’t like him. I can say that he molested my Economics teacher, so I don’t like him. I can say that he is the only fighter to put me to sleep while watching a UFC event, so I don’t like him. In fact, I can say just about anything and say that is the reason I don’t like him.
Moral of this story: When it comes to personal preferences, ANY reason is valid.
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Correct,
but then you look like a complete idiot when you criticize someone for something, yet have no issue if someone else does the same thing. Ya follow, homie?
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
I can be a fan of someone and criticize them as well.
you keeping up?
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Sure,
could you point me to the topic where you kill Edgar for his decisions, please?
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Short term memory syndrome. We all have it. Edgar just finished his top contender.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Oh,
so that finish makes up for the fact that the majority of his wins are by decision? Sweet! So by your logic, everyone will love GSP after his next win by finish! AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Yes, exactly. If GSP finished Nick then this argument isnt brought up
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Not until his next decision victory, correct?
Why do you even try, ANS?
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Again, that is right. Until his next decision.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
But if.....
an intelligent fan wanted to compare Edgar’s and GSP’s careers as a whole, rather than just their last fight, they could see that Edgar isn’t any less guilty of winning by decision over a finish than GSP is, no?
Must suck to be simple to the point of only looking back 1 match. I feel for ya. Either that, or you’re simply back to your digging ways which always end up making you look really, really dumb. ;)
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Are all thing taken into consideration?
Then how many bonus points does Frankie get for fighting at a weight class above where most professionals would fight at his size?
None.....
It was his decision. But if he had cleaned out a good division for several years beforehand, then that’d be different.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Aww man, did you just wax me again? Well darnit, that UFChamp really has my number folks.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, sir,
although I prefer when you don’t reply at all. That’s when I know that you know you really got waxed.
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
Oh, sorry. I wont respond anymore after you wax me you little super genious you. You little mma master of knowledge… I hate it when you really show me up UFChamp. Cant you go easy on me, for pete’s sake I dont know no better, I am just dumb and ignorant. Lol
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 9, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
Understood
ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."
Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."
ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL
UFChamp is the king of waxing.
His new name should be Depilatory Spec Tech!
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His style works, in fact, it nearly works perfectly
Would I like to see him finish some fights occasionally, of course. I think the little guys subconsciously kinda catch a break when it comes to criticism for not finishing fights, whether that is fair or not. I don’t consider myself a big fan of Dom, but if he was more of a finisher, I definitely would be. I am already a fan of his attitude.
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Agreed.
I find him painful to watch at times, but his gameplans have been very diverse over his last 3 or 4 fights. He attacks his opponents at his strength and dictates everything. It is quite impressive.
He makes me wish that the fights were 7 rounds. He would finish more given more time, but everyone at the top at 135 has cardio for days.
mike thank you for those stats , WOW
Indeed we may never see a champion like Matt Hughes again . The good old days.
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Hughes was two dimensional
and to this day has rudimentary stand-up at best. If he was starting out now, he would never get the belt.
But in his day, Hughes was a tugh bastard.
Dude, did you see his fight against Renzo, he has K-1 level standup!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
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Was that before or after he helped that old man up?
I musta missed it while I was laughing at that mess.
GSP is my favorite fighter...
But he doesn’t finish fights. He doesn’t try. He plays it safe. I really f*cking hate it. I don’t care how tough his opponents are. Its a fight. Go out there and fight. I think people are a dumb to compare fighting to a chess match. At least try. I think Nick Diaz is over-rated but I would rather watch him fight than GSP. At least Diaz goes out there and fights. Didn’t Shields get TKO’D? That fight wasn’t stopped early. Jake S was still on queer street win he starts to shoot on the ref. GSP needs to get his ass beat and that title taken from him.
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good luck with that wont happen brains wine not rage i need to hurt you by bracking your bones he will rest champ tell he leaves thats fact…..
Clearly you're a Canadian Eoghan
Gotta say there are plenty of wholes in your logic. Particularly in the GSP not finishing his opponents area v GSPs contemporarys who have finished the same opponents. eg Shields getting knocked out cold in his last fight in the first rnd. The playing down of Kos getting ironed out by Thiago too. Both times these guys were finished by lesser opponents in comparison with GSP.
GSP got cautious post Matt Serra beating him down, full stop. That is why he doesn’t finish fights. He’s worried about getting dropped again. Matt Serra took a little piece of GSPs soul……
I am a very big gsp fan for his fighting and his respectful, generous nature. That said, i too get frustrated with his extreme caution since Serra. I’d be lieing if i said i wouldn’t do the same in his position, but i am a watcher not a fighter now and as such i am really starting to dislike his approach to title defences.
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I am not Canadian, but thank you for the gross generalization.
So the passing of Shields’ father, who was his coach and trainer for his entire life, a few weeks before the fight couldn’t have had anything to do with what happened against Ellenberger?
You really do not think Kos took Paulo lightly? Kos did not shoot for one takedown before he got KO’d and he also did not throw anything but power punches. No jabs, few feints. Fences all the way baby.
Two sides to every coin.
Kos stood in front of Paulo Thiago with two eyes for 3 and a half minutes and got KTFO
He stood in front of GSP with one eye for 25 minutes whole minutes without being finished.
Back to the other, more important side of the coin.
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I just looked at a cross section of the coin in question under a microscope
it turns out that my side of the coin accounts for over 75% of the coin’s thickness.
Still two sides, but my side is bigger.
Deeper thought of the day.
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The coin is made from two different, yet bondable metals
Very possible.
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LOL. Now THAT
Is some funny shit.
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Great Post Rilly
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Thanks man.
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Gsp's a cool guy
He’s definetly a warrior and a mad athlete. I just wish he’d “RELEASE THE DEMON”!! If you know what i mean? Just frustrated with watching his fights where there are openings for him to smash guys and he keeps holding back…. He’s thinking about playing with his grand kids maybe? He’s a complete fighter and champion imo and an all time champion. Just wish he’d finish one fight for the fans. I think he can do it without going out of his comfort zone too much as far as his 5 round game plan goes? He can finsh fights!
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Eoghan, and that would be true for all the lighter weight champions
Once u reach championship status in the lighter weights nowadays, the quality of arguably #1 contenders is that they are at their peak and extremely tough to shut down and all of these guys have rarely been KO’d or submitted while having many KO’s, TKO’s and Subs to their credit.
Best damn write up I’ve seen all week and best write up of GSPs Point Fighter Monkier orgins period.
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