UFC 138 results: Chris Leben refuses to address his weaknesses (Opinion)
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UFC 138 has come and gone with what has to have been one of the most anti-climactic finishes since Randy Couture lost his light heavyweight crown to Vitor Belfort with an eyelid cut. After two rounds of mainly sluggish wrestling in the main event, Mark Munoz managed to open up a cut over the eye of Chris Leben, leading to a referee stoppage after the "Crippler" admitted he couldn't see out of it.
It's puzzling that Leben and Munoz, two men with known cardio issues, were selected as first people to compete in a five-round non-title fight. If ever there were a more deserving contender for that honor, it would have been Nick Diaz vs. B.J. Penn, in which the former Strikeforce champion likely would have used his superior cardio to put away the Hawaiian prodigy in the fourth round.
By contrast, in last night's (Nov. 5, 2011) main event at the LG Arena in Birmingham, England, Leben was gassed by the end of round one.
Tsk, Tsk ...
Leben is a man who has been well-known as having granite blocks for hands and an iron chin since 2005; however, he refuses to address his two biggest weaknesses. And if you don't know what those are, watch UFC 138 again and see how Leben was once again largely defeated by his own inadequacies.
It was in 2005 that we learned Leben is susceptible to being cut open with ground-and-pound because of poor takedown defense and wrestling, as well as having suspect cardio. He learned that in losing to Josh Koscheck on The Ultimate Fighter, who laid on Leben for the decision win, before failing to keep Kenny Florian's sharp elbows from winning him redemption.
In the six years since that first TV series, Leben has failed to address those two concerns. He gets taken down easily, as we saw even against Yoshihiro Akiyama, who would have won a decision at UFC 116 if it had not been for some nice last-minute jiu-jitsu. And other than his tenacity, his cardio has been a problem in high intensity matches like the one fought against Munoz for the first five minutes of UFC 138.
The solution should be simple.
Leben has bricks for gloves, which means that if he applied himself Chuck Liddell-style to becoming a counter-takedown specialist, and trained cardio to the point where he can sprint for 25 minutes without getting tired, the rest should take care of itself.
He has highlight -reel clips of knocking out Terry Martin, Wanderlei Silva and Aaron Simpson. But those wins were due more to the fighters' willingness to step into Chris' left hand than the reward that is diligent practice of his weaknesses. Intelligent fighters, though I am loathe to say it, such as Michael Bisping, have had little issue with Leben because he fights predictably and his weaknesses are apparent.
At 31 years old, Chris doesn't have much time left to reinvent himself. But at this stage it would probably be wise to stop the jiu-jitsu training and start training wrestling and cardio. If he can stuff takedowns and keep opponents on the end of his punches, like Diaz, he can be a ruthless killer in the middleweight division.
But I'm not sure Leben possesses the patience in the cage for such a regimen. After all, despite the fact he was getting worked against the cage and taken down, he engaged in the clinch with Munoz at every given opportunity. And when he did swing at Munoz, they were lazy and looping punches that brought his momentum forward, leaving him wide open to counter punches. In the five years since Anderson Silva made a mockery of Leben's rushing style, the man has seemingly learned nothing.
The sad thing Leben is an inherently exciting, powerful, intriguing fighter who makes fans want to root for him. The frustration has always been that the fans never know which Leben will show up to a fight -- the one who was knocked out easily by Brian Stann? Or the one who brutalized the Axe Murderer?
Regardless, it's clear that this old dog needs to learn a new trick, or two, if he is indeed serious about being considered a legitimate contender.
Photo by Josh Hedges/ Zuffa LLC/ Zuffa LLC via video.ufc.tv.
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Im a leben fan
Disappointing way to end the fight, never know how it will end especially with leben involved. i agree training wrestling and cardio would def help him though
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I stopped reading at
Diaz vs BJ should have been 5 rounds. BJ can barely move from being so tired after the first and you are calling for 5 rounds? Yawn.
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Imagine if the ref asked GSP the same question
or listened when he said he couldnt see out of his eye. would have lost the belt.
Chael Sonnen
Yeah what was up with that?
GSP would have “Rushed” to the hospital and…oh wait he did do that. ’Scuse the pun
If I recall...
GSP didn’t tell the ref, he told his corner. What’s your point, anyway? Ass.
are you kidding me?
my point is that the fight may have been stopped cause GSP couldnt see.
wait a second…thats exactly what i said in my original comment. Dumb fuck.
Chael Sonnen
i dont understand how that is physically possible?
but ill give you a break cause i like your screen name
Chael Sonnen
Well you’d be just dragged across the mat just clamping on of course. Unless it’s like a glass eye.
by MrGrapplefan on Nov 6, 2011 9:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Glass eye hahaha
"When swinging from nut-sack of the mighty "Quittin" Rampage Jackson, try to avoid getting his ball-sweat in your eyes….it tends to blind you from the obvious. Now, if I could just play a round of golf with my dream foursome of Chael Sonnen, Larry Merchant and Danago, I can die a happy man."
by wooly shambler on Nov 6, 2011 12:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lets face it, Leben couldnt reinvent himself if he tried
he doesnt have speed or athletic ability what he does have is a granite chin combined with powerful punches that can mix it up with strikers that dont have the ability to KO him and he does possess some decent wrestling skills and decent defense.
It is this ability that has carried him through about 20 fights in the the UFC, Leben fights over his head in my opinion, but what he is good at he has used it to his utmost ability. In other words the guy can ‘Brawl’ with the best of the Brawlers… he was never championship material
"Did you know that if you mix equal parts
of gasoline and equal parts frozen orange juice
concentrate, you can make napalm?"
This
He will never be able to do the Chuck Lidell counterpunch method as he is too slow. He wades in with power punches as that is the best option with his good chin and speed deficiency. I do agree that improving cardio and sprawl would give him better chances in his fights…..but better boxers will still Bisping him due to the fact that he ain’t ever gonna get quicker.
by Snake_Pliskan on Nov 6, 2011 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Snake pliskan.. I heard u were dead?
"Did you know that if you mix equal parts
of gasoline and equal parts frozen orange juice
concentrate, you can make napalm?"
by THORAZINE on Nov 6, 2011 11:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Snake pliskan.. I heard u were dead?
"Did you know that if you mix equal parts
of gasoline and equal parts frozen orange juice
concentrate, you can make napalm?"
by THORAZINE on Nov 6, 2011 11:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thorazine I heard you stutter
"When swinging from nut-sack of the mighty "Quittin" Rampage Jackson, try to avoid getting his ball-sweat in your eyes….it tends to blind you from the obvious. Now, if I could just play a round of golf with my dream foursome of Chael Sonnen, Larry Merchant and Danago, I can die a happy man."
by wooly shambler on Nov 6, 2011 12:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i wouldnt say 138 failed to deliver.
For what we knew we were getting and for free it was a pretty exciting card.
Michael Bisping is a middleweight contender haha and also pigs can fly.
by thunderdownunder on Nov 6, 2011 2:55 AM EDT reply actions
The card was good you need to lay off the crack pipe.
If you dont like drugs then dont do them.....give them to me!
^^ this
People complain whether there are no finishes or too many finishes. Also, Leben looked fine except for the cardio thing which disappointed the fuck out of me.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
what the hell is this "this" crap i see ppl always writing in response to other ppls msges
is that supposed to be a cool way of agreeing with someone? dorks
It is exactly that.. a sign of agreement
Now u sir.. can suck my balls
"What are you gonna do, hit him? No, that's a terrible idea, I'll tell you why.. it doesn't unbang your mom. "
by 10thDegreeWhiteBelt on Nov 6, 2011 12:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And lick my shaft when you're done with his balls
"When swinging from nut-sack of the mighty "Quittin" Rampage Jackson, try to avoid getting his ball-sweat in your eyes….it tends to blind you from the obvious. Now, if I could just play a round of golf with my dream foursome of Chael Sonnen, Larry Merchant and Danago, I can die a happy man."
by wooly shambler on Nov 6, 2011 12:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This
"What are you gonna do, hit him? No, that's a terrible idea, I'll tell you why.. it doesn't unbang your mom. "
by 10thDegreeWhiteBelt on Nov 6, 2011 1:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
^^thisser
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
I think Munoz style of being on top of putting his weight down added to the bad weight cut and just killed Leben’s gas tank
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Nov 7, 2011 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
It was awesome being in the arena I got to meet Anthony Njokuani who was standing behind me
He said he’s back in december :)
Also Leben was absolutely smashed in the Hilton hotel bar after the fight
Slappin da Bass mon.
haha wow maybe he wasn't drunk he was just feeling the affects of cutting 25 pounds on friday than getting beat up saturday
"So many people have negative energy towards me...So many people have insulted me and spent time trying to assassinate my character...Those people are emotionally invested, they belong to me."-letter19
by letter19 on Nov 6, 2011 9:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
REALLY drunk ahaha
he was picking up chairs and shouting at taxi’s an shit
Slappin da Bass mon.
by Rampagelangford on Nov 6, 2011 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
lol..funny thing is thats how he would have celebrated a victory too.
"So many people have negative energy towards me...So many people have insulted me and spent time trying to assassinate my character...Those people are emotionally invested, they belong to me."-letter19
by letter19 on Nov 6, 2011 9:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
aha too true!
Also I’ve seen a lot of guys shitting on Papy Abedi I chatted with him last night and he’s a really cool guy, dont think he deserves all the hate he gets. it was his first fight at 170 in his career and to fight Alves takes some balls for your first fight at that weight I think
Slappin da Bass mon.
by Rampagelangford on Nov 6, 2011 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
very true..he deserves credit (like all fighters do) he was willing to test himself at the highest level I wish they would have gave him a more appropriate match-up
"So many people have negative energy towards me...So many people have insulted me and spent time trying to assassinate my character...Those people are emotionally invested, they belong to me."-letter19
by letter19 on Nov 6, 2011 10:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah agree completely. Respect earned even in defeat as far as I’m concerned. Alves is a monster if u haven’t got strength and grappling on him and he’s still a beast even if u have. Hmmm … makes sense I guess.
by MrGrapplefan on Nov 6, 2011 10:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I suggested to Papy
about a fight with Dan Hardy next year in sweden he seemed to like that idea
Slappin da Bass mon.
by Rampagelangford on Nov 6, 2011 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
yeah that would be ok I guess..I know hardy comes to fight but loss after loss after loss makes me not wanna watch him
"So many people have negative energy towards me...So many people have insulted me and spent time trying to assassinate my character...Those people are emotionally invested, they belong to me."-letter19
by letter19 on Nov 6, 2011 10:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nice. Suitably ranked fighter. Think he’d win as long as he fights to his strengths. Decent fight for hardy too. Mike pyle? Still a vet though. same for hallman ebersole loser. Not a bad fight potentially but they’re veterans.
by MrGrapplefan on Nov 6, 2011 10:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
put him against anyone not coming off of 5 straight losses..
Still trying to understand how hardy is still in the ufc
"So many people have negative energy towards me...So many people have insulted me and spent time trying to assassinate my character...Those people are emotionally invested, they belong to me."-letter19
by letter19 on Nov 6, 2011 10:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Because it obviously devalues title shots if he gets cut so soon. I’m out of ideas because there are so many more more skilled fighters who leave it in the octagon. Maybe it is just as obvious as they’re not british. Sad though
by MrGrapplefan on Nov 6, 2011 11:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Papy fought him just wasn’t able to recover from the barrage. not a bad showing imo.
by MrGrapplefan on Nov 6, 2011 10:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
+1
With some serious training he can match up with anyone for some great fights and or upsets
"When swinging from nut-sack of the mighty "Quittin" Rampage Jackson, try to avoid getting his ball-sweat in your eyes….it tends to blind you from the obvious. Now, if I could just play a round of golf with my dream foursome of Chael Sonnen, Larry Merchant and Danago, I can die a happy man."
by wooly shambler on Nov 6, 2011 1:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the card was good (better than a lot of the cards I paid for)
Maybe chris leben does refuse to address his weaknesses but the fact of the matter is everybody is not dedicated to becoming a master of there craft he clearly just likes to fight(which is fine) I think people should accept each individual fighter for what he/she brings to the table
"So many people have negative energy towards me...So many people have insulted me and spent time trying to assassinate my character...Those people are emotionally invested, they belong to me."-letter19
by letter19 on Nov 6, 2011 9:35 AM EST via mobile reply actions
+19
what u see with leben is what u get.Ive enjoyed a lot of his fights,in fact way more than the french guys!
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
yeah I have enjoy just about every leben fight I watched including yesterdays bout
"So many people have negative energy towards me...So many people have insulted me and spent time trying to assassinate my character...Those people are emotionally invested, they belong to me."-letter19
by letter19 on Nov 6, 2011 9:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
*enjoyed
"So many people have negative energy towards me...So many people have insulted me and spent time trying to assassinate my character...Those people are emotionally invested, they belong to me."-letter19
by letter19 on Nov 6, 2011 9:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Did u used to be a native american in a past life l19?
by MrGrapplefan on Nov 6, 2011 9:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
his mother had a little indian in her
when she was at the reserve buying smokes……
Nick Diaz - Undisputed 2011 No-show Champion
by hairybumcrack on Nov 6, 2011 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
If I’m wrong its twice with l19 now.
by MrGrapplefan on Nov 6, 2011 9:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I have issue with saying Bj Penn deserved a 5 round fight
his cardio is just as bad as either of these guys.
That being said you’re right about Lebens weaknesses
BJ’s cardio is 10x better than Munoz and Leben. It wasn’t long ago he went 5 rounds with Florian, Frankie x2.
GSP
by danago on Nov 6, 2011 9:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
cant argue with that,at lw that is
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
Leben has sucked for a long time now. Luckily he ran into Wand, perfect for his style. Leben could never be successful at the top, even with Nick Diaz cardio. He isn’t intelligent enough to fight technically like Chuck and Nick.
He’s a slow power puncher, that’s it. It wasn’t long ago he was put to sleep by Rocholt, whatever his name is. His style is so old, talk of him being a contender before this fight was laughable.
GSP
by danago on Nov 6, 2011 9:39 AM EST via mobile reply actions
JMAC
owns a win over him.
I would probably take another.
"Crooked banks will gladly give a loan today, so when you miss a payment they can take your home away" - Lupe Fiasco.
As a die hard Leben fan
I could not agree more with the end of this article. Every time I watch Leben walk out to the cage, Im not thinking about how enthused I am to see my favorite fighter go to war…I worry about which Leben will show up.
Last night when he walked out to the slow paced entrance song, and looked less energetic than usual, I knew it was gonna be a rough night. Sure enough…he was gasping half way into round 1 and looking like an out of shape rookie.
He needs to fix the cardio, and go knock on Uncle Chael’s door for some wrestling 101. Its his best option, or hes going to fade away to sub gatekeeper status in the coming years.
Muffins.
before failing to keep Kenny Florian’s sharp elbows from winning him redemption.
it was a sharp elbow, just one elbow shot. and it was pretty much the only offense florian had in all of TUF. do not give florian credit he doesn’t deserve.
Statistics show suicidal people are a hundred percent more likely to kill themselves.
You know, some days I forget that I have a memory.
to think anderson nuthuggers were saying leben was one win away from a fight with andersn silva. sad.
by Conan the Barbarian on Nov 6, 2011 10:35 AM EST reply actions
Who? You’re just making this up now conan.
by MrGrapplefan on Nov 6, 2011 11:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
quite a few actually. check out any chael sonnen thread. rabid nuthuggers always brought up leben's name as someone who deserved to fight anderson before chael.
i know they didn’t actually believe it, it was just funny how far they’d go to protect anderson from chael.
by Conan the Barbarian on Nov 7, 2011 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
Oh ok I will. That’s ridiculous I agree
by MrGrapplefan on Nov 7, 2011 2:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
you live and you learn
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