Joe Rogan talked to the UFC about buying the 'gold mine' that is K-1
by Jesse Holland on Nov 4, 2011 10:20 AM EDT
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Unfortunately the UFC wasn't interested.
Probably because it has enough heat on it right now from all the talk about a ZUFFA monopoly and the last thing it needs to do is add another cash-strapped fight promotion to its already impressive portfolio.
Mark Cuban, where you at?
"If someone's smart, if someone's got balls, listen to me right now... This is the thing... K-1 kickboxing. K-1 kickboxing is some of the much exciting shit to watch in the world. If you watch the highest level of kickboxers, God damn is that shit exciting. It's so fucking fun to watch ... I can't believe that it doesn't get the press that it deserves because maybe it's not as good as MMA but, God damn, if it ain't a close second. And it's not being promoted! Someone's completely dropped the ball, you know? The people who own K-1, they owe a lot of money, man. They want to start fights but they want to not half to pay all the fighters that they owe money to and they owe just fucking untold millions of dollars to fighters that they haven't paid. So, they're in a bad financial situation but it's because they didn't promote it correctly. If someone in like the UFC came along, if Zuffa came along and picked up K-1, they're not interested in it, I've talked to them about it, but if someone like that did, if Mark Cuban did or someone with balls and a lot of money who loves the sport, God damn that's a gold mine. It's a God damn gold mine. Mark Cuban, go do it! You already got Michael Schiavello working for you."
Fighting and Entertainment Group (FEG), the parent company behind the DREAM mixed martial arts promotion and K-1 kickboxing organization, is "technically bankrupt" according to a recent report, something that flabbergasts Rogan in his latest podcast (via Fight Opinion), which you can listen to after the jump.
Anyone think Zuffa should reconsider its position? Or just let the K-1 brand die a slow death and etch another name on the tombstone?
Anyone?
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Interesting.
It wouldn’t be in the UFCs interest to promote a competing (yes related sport but still competing) sport. It is very exciting to watch but I don’t know if it would be a gold mine with how popular MMA is.
IF YOU THINK REEM SHOULD BE RATED ANY HIGHER THAN AROUND THE #5 HEAVYWEIGHT (AND THAT IS STRETCHING IT) THEN YOU ARE A FLIPPIN MORON, PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
Agreed.
UFC shouldn’t buy K1. Honestly, I don’t think it’s as exciting as some make it out to be. They’re still building MMA so shouldn’t dip their hands in kickboxing. What next? They’re gonna buy other companies that are BJJ based or MT or wrestling. Stick with MMA.
If boxing is a science then MMA is astrophysics.
by Hank_Mardukas on Nov 4, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I love K1 as well
Not sure it’s such a gold mine though. It would take serious promotion + paying off their debts.
It's Showtime is what's up right now. They already owe him enough as is
for his fighters and he has some working agreements with them too. Hopefully Simon can buy up all of K-1’s assets and put together his own world grand prix. I bet all the names that got ripped off are more likely to work for him than any japanese parent company. But yea someone needs to save this sport – I mean this year already seems goofy enough now that there is no worldwide tournament of the best strikers culminating in an event of badassery.
Listen, guys. You can take all these guys with their eighth education and their gold teeth trying to sit around and break down a fight. This is the most unsophisticated and un-well-thoughtout thing you need to do in life. Two half-naked men are gonna get in a steel cage and fight for the applause of a drunken rowdy crowd in Houston, Texas, on a Saturday night. We don't need to plan for this.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Nov 4, 2011 10:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed.
I always get stoked for the Gran Prix every year. Same questions always come up.
- Will Aerts retire this year?
- Will Badr Hari smash everyone?
- Will Feitosa KO anyone via axe kick?
This is prolly a stupid question.
Remy doens’t fight still does he?
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Nov 4, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Bonjasky? The Flying Gentleman?
He’s not technically retired, but I remember he had a health issue that he was worried about and hinted at retirement.
I don’t recall seeing him in last years tourney.
Great fighter. A bit dirty sometimes though.
No such thing as a stupid question my friend.
I never got into K-1 but I did like Bojanksy
prolly cause I saw him beat Sapp before I knew anything about the sport. I thought Remy was this little dude until I realized just how big Sapp is. I don’t know if that was a Gran Prix that I was watching (It was a long time ago) but Remy beat three guys in one night. After that I was a fan.
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Nov 4, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, he's supremely talented.
He just milked nut shots sometimes (that weren’t actually nut shots), used the clinch to stall.
But when he was on, dude was the man. If you’ve never seen Ernesto Hoost vs Bob Sapp, I recommend you look for that fight. Hoost is the greatest K-1 champ in history (4-time champ), and Sapp sucks technically, but I’ll be damned if that wasn’t a great fight.
I won’t tell you the outcome.
I've heard of Hoost and most of the great K1 guys.
I don’t get to watch internet videos, as I don’t have a personal computer and I can’t watch them at work, I bet they’re all on Netflix though, any Idea what event I should try to find first?
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Nov 4, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
do urself a favour and just youtube k1 greatest knockouts
U will b fucking amazed
NICK DIAZ.... champ early 2012
by 209stk on Nov 4, 2011 12:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I would suggest going to Headkicklegend (SBnation)
and checking their archives for all time great fights they did and see if you can get those events on netflix.
Listen, guys. You can take all these guys with their eighth education and their gold teeth trying to sit around and break down a fight. This is the most unsophisticated and un-well-thoughtout thing you need to do in life. Two half-naked men are gonna get in a steel cage and fight for the applause of a drunken rowdy crowd in Houston, Texas, on a Saturday night. We don't need to plan for this.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Nov 4, 2011 12:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
My personal faves
Jerome LeBanner vs Mark Hunt (3 fights)
(LeBanner also fought CroCop in K1 back in the 90’s)
Semmy Schilt vs Ray Sefo
Badr Hari vs Stefan Leko
Most Peter Aerts fights were good.
And my all-time fave:
Andy Hug vs CroCop.A crazy back and forth war that Hug won, which is insane considering he had leukemia at the time, an illness that unfortunately took his life 2 months after the fight.
Hug was a legend.
dam too many how about ray sefo vs carter williams
Ray sefo vs hunt.
Cro cop vs hunt
Lebanner vs hoost
leko vs artes
The list is too crazy i get exciting thinkin about k1. ..
NICK DIAZ.... champ early 2012
by 209stk on Nov 4, 2011 12:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It wouldn't be popular here in the states, so it'd fail.
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
@xFenixKnightx on the Twitter
Strikeforce proved that.
Listen, guys. You can take all these guys with their eighth education and their gold teeth trying to sit around and break down a fight. This is the most unsophisticated and un-well-thoughtout thing you need to do in life. Two half-naked men are gonna get in a steel cage and fight for the applause of a drunken rowdy crowd in Houston, Texas, on a Saturday night. We don't need to plan for this.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Nov 4, 2011 10:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The maniacs should chip in and buy it.
I got twenty.
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Nov 4, 2011 10:32 AM EDT reply actions
ok I'll chip in also 19 dollars
"So many people have negative energy towards me...So many people have insulted me and spent time trying to assassinate my character...Those people are emotionally invested, they belong to me."-letter19
I fucking love K-1.
It is the most exciting stand up in the world. I love mma as well, but there’s always those lay n’ pray fighter that Boggs down the card. Not in K-1. Too bad Hari went to boxing. He’s a true knock out artist.
by emperorj on Nov 4, 2011 10:49 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Thai Rules
K-1 and It’s Showtime would be infinitely better with full Thai rules in my opinion.
No spinning backfists in It’s Showtime…. seriously?
And the One hand clinch and release rule in K-1 destroys the flow of fights, the referee steps in and breaks the clinch every 3 seconds it’s sooooooooo annoying.
Those are the biggest problems with kickboxing rules right now.
Evolution Muay Thai in Australia puts on great shows with full Thai rules, now if they pushed that on an International scale, kickboxing popularity would grow exponentially IMO.
by jimmybronx on Nov 4, 2011 11:11 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Mike Zambidis v Chahid Oulad El Hadj
Wanna see the most exciting fight in recent memory? Watch this fight from the 2010 K-1 MAX Final 8 on Youtube. Phenomenal fight.
Oh ya. Fight of the year for me.
They just traded for damn 3 1/2 rounds. That’s entertainment.
by emperorj on Nov 4, 2011 11:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Muay Thai Premier League
This is also a step in the right direction. They put on a solid card in LA, and there are rounds 2 and 3 coming up very soon. Decent production value on these shows and they get great fighters on the cards as well. I’d love to see these guys get more exposure, Kickboxing deserves to be big like MMA.
That and the crazy bald referee who's always picking guys up after they get hit in the nuts
"It’s Mark Pavelich calling from the Maximum Fighting Championship,
I’ve just received notice that Drew Fickett or you, I don’t care which one of you fuckers did it, has signed a contract to fight in Strikeforce this fucking weekend. I’m going to get on a fucking plane soon and go where you’re at and choke you the fuck out. I’m telling you right now, I’ve had enough of your fucking shit. First of all, I’ve sent you the fucking pictures and secondly, I placed Drew Fickett in a fight fucking months ago and five weeks prior to my main event of my fucking fight card. You’re going to give me a fucking call tomorrow or I swear I’ll get on a fucking plane and go right where you’re at right now. You’re pissing me off, I’ve been nothing but professional to you motherfuckers and you’re doing this kind of bullshit, alright? Call me back, I’m fucking pissed."
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Nov 4, 2011 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem with thai rules is what spawning the sport of kickboxing.
It’s hard to package muay thai into a TV product for the West since the sport isnt ingrained into the culture. And as awesome as muay thai is – the scoring is goofy as hell and judges then to put emphasis too on your form too as to apply MT techniques in addition to damage. That’s hard to get new fans to accept. Though i personally would love it if they just allowed for all strikes and got rid of 3rd limits since most MT fights dont get rolling way into the fight.
Listen, guys. You can take all these guys with their eighth education and their gold teeth trying to sit around and break down a fight. This is the most unsophisticated and un-well-thoughtout thing you need to do in life. Two half-naked men are gonna get in a steel cage and fight for the applause of a drunken rowdy crowd in Houston, Texas, on a Saturday night. We don't need to plan for this.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Nov 4, 2011 12:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You're right but let me take that one step further
I think there are key fighting elements that are being left out to the detriment of kickboxing right now. I say allow the clinch work (including throws), allow elbows, allow spinning backfists.
I think it’s reasonable to create a modernized Thai rules format which (at the risk of sounding blasphemous) removes some of the traditional Thai format elements including the Ram Muay & Wai Khru, and Thai scoring system. And adds in the techniques that makes Muay Thai truly exciting.
The reason Muay Thai fights tend to pick up steam later into the fights is that, in Thailand, bets are being made in the first two rounds. Fighters deliberately go easy in the first two rounds so spectators can place bets. This usually only happens in Thailand from my knowledge, specifically at Lumpinee Stadium. If you watch Evolution in Australia there is more of a likelihood of early knockouts and TKOs. I’m no expert really, but I sure do love me some Muay Thai, and the highly satisfying leg kick TKOs. ;)
completely agree with that. I am all for modified rules though yes purists would hang u for it lol.
I should say that i am not up on Evolution so now i will have to definitely look into it. And i didnt even consider that betting aspect that makes MT in thailand a bit boring when it gets going but fuck…there is nothing like a sick muay thai battle with ups and downs and the crowd too. (On another note, you ever seen the fight between jongsanan and sokmongol….sickest standup fight i’ve seen to date. Figured i’d recommend it for my striking fan brethren.)
Listen, guys. You can take all these guys with their eighth education and their gold teeth trying to sit around and break down a fight. This is the most unsophisticated and un-well-thoughtout thing you need to do in life. Two half-naked men are gonna get in a steel cage and fight for the applause of a drunken rowdy crowd in Houston, Texas, on a Saturday night. We don't need to plan for this.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Nov 4, 2011 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
dam i like joe even more now
Please someone pick it up iknow its showtime has alot of the top fighters but the competition on there cards are shit compared to what k1. Had FUCK!!!! I’m still pissed off no more gp tournys or no more max tournaments they were some of the most exciting fights in all of combat sports
NICK DIAZ.... champ early 2012
by 209stk on Nov 4, 2011 11:12 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
To think that Petrosyan is just sittin around doin nothin.
Or watching Buakaw be forced to fight on wack french Muay thai cards against bums…..hell i was hoping for guys to go into Shootboxing. Get some of these guys to try it out like Souwer.
Listen, guys. You can take all these guys with their eighth education and their gold teeth trying to sit around and break down a fight. This is the most unsophisticated and un-well-thoughtout thing you need to do in life. Two half-naked men are gonna get in a steel cage and fight for the applause of a drunken rowdy crowd in Houston, Texas, on a Saturday night. We don't need to plan for this.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Nov 4, 2011 11:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
or having ghita fight bums its still fun too watch
Just not exciting especially when they have hedsey Georges or whatever his name is fighting bums also on the same card… since its showtime got the hdnet deal it has failed to deliver
NICK DIAZ.... champ early 2012
by 209stk on Nov 4, 2011 12:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thank you Joe.
I hope he’s right and Cuban does by it.
"It’s Mark Pavelich calling from the Maximum Fighting Championship,
I’ve just received notice that Drew Fickett or you, I don’t care which one of you fuckers did it, has signed a contract to fight in Strikeforce this fucking weekend. I’m going to get on a fucking plane soon and go where you’re at and choke you the fuck out. I’m telling you right now, I’ve had enough of your fucking shit. First of all, I’ve sent you the fucking pictures and secondly, I placed Drew Fickett in a fight fucking months ago and five weeks prior to my main event of my fucking fight card. You’re going to give me a fucking call tomorrow or I swear I’ll get on a fucking plane and go right where you’re at right now. You’re pissing me off, I’ve been nothing but professional to you motherfuckers and you’re doing this kind of bullshit, alright? Call me back, I’m fucking pissed."
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Nov 4, 2011 11:12 AM EDT reply actions
Rogan is nuts if he thinks K-1 can be made profitable.
Simple as that. K-1 would never be popular here in the states in any meaningful way and a guy like Cuban isn’t going to be looking to run a kickboxing promotion overseas.
It could work with the right kind of marketing and a cross over star.
Boxing is dying man, maybe K1 could get non MMA fans interested in combat sports again.
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Nov 4, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I love k1 but I think its showtime rounding up all the k 1 guys
by 505mmacity on Nov 4, 2011 11:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Smart Joe Rogan is smart
"When swinging from nut-sack of the mighty "Quittin" Rampage Jackson, try to avoid getting his ball-sweat in your eyes….it tends to blind you from the obvious. Now, if I could just play a round of golf with my dream foursome of Chael Sonnen, Larry Merchant and Danago, I can die a happy man."
by wooly shambler on Nov 4, 2011 12:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I disagree
I think if K-1 were marketed and promoted properly, with the countries relatively new love for combat sports, could become huge stateside..
by dragonassault on Nov 4, 2011 2:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
bill gates like in his intelligence is joe rogan, joe
occupy my pants
by theoregonduck on Nov 4, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
His Thoughts
I was going to discount his talk but then I realized he used fucken so many times it has to be bonafide!
Why? So the UFC can load it with bullshit?
or destroy it? I’d rather let K-1 go bankrupt and die, than let it fall into the hands of Zuffa.
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