UFC Quick Quote: Dana White is 100-percent right, Bob Arum is a greedy pig
by Jesse Holland on Nov 25, 2011 12:21 PM EST
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"You know what? We still are sticking firm. I think [Pacquiao vs. Mayweather is] the fight that everybody wants to see. Here's the thing, Dana White is 100-percent absolutely correct. Bob Arum is a greedy pig. Now I see. That's exactly why Dana White has been so successful and Bob Arum sees him as such a threat, because he puts the fights together that the people want to see. It's about putting the best fights on. That's why people love the UFC so much, because the fights are so competitive. Even though he had the biggest fight with Nick Diaz and they went back and forth at each other, Dana did the right thing by the sport and he still put him and B.J. Penn together and made them fight. Arum hates Floyd Mayweather, can't stand him, doesn't want to see him make a dollar, can't stand Golden Boy, doesn't want to do business with them, but instead of doing what's best for the sport, what's best for the fans, and what's best for the fighters because they'll get the payday of a lifetime, no, it's all about him. 'I don't like him, so fuck him!' I mean, right or wrong? Unless you can tell me and convince me otherwise, because I'm thoroughly convinced and believe that Floyd really does want to have this fight. I think he really wants to have this fight. As far as he knows, he's right. He's right. Bob is the one interfering and fucking shit up."
Sounds like Dana White has yet another (unlikely) ally in his beef with boxing blowhard Bob Arum. After promoter Lou DiBella took Arum to task back in August, Alex Ariza, strength and conditioning coach for Manny Pacquiao, told Fight Hype the UFC President was a "threat" to the Arum establishment because mixed martial arts fans (mostly) get the "competitive" fights they want to see. Any loyalists to the "sweet science" think Ariza is oversimplifying things? Would Pacquiao vs. Mayweather have already happened without Arum's "interference?" Or does the blame game extend far beyond just one man? Thoughts? For more on the war of words between White and Arum click here.
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pointless to compare arum to white
White has just about every significant fighter under contract so of course he can make every fight happen arum on the other hand doesn’t have the same control dana has
"I've always walked the walk but as the world gets worst I'm beginning to run. I'll keep running until I reach the promise land."-letter19
by letter19 on Nov 25, 2011 12:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Uhh not a big Arum fan
But uhh…Arum has or has had everybody in Boxing in his pocket at one point and time. Floyd, Manny, Ali…list goes on
Arum is pretty powerful in Boxing even though he is an old dbag
Of course Dana White interferes on the match-ups and shit
But at least we know what we’re getting with him. Arum seems a lot more shady to me. White can lie his ass off and say one thing, do another completely different (like the Condit-GSP-Diaz love triangle) but on the end of the day, we know that’s standard DW shit.
One thing I do not recall seeing is Dana making homophobic comments, bashing other sports and athletes and all that. On the other hand, the shit Bob Arum said about the UFC and MMA is just plain ignorance.
He bashes Bob Arum a lot, but I don’t see him talking shit to boxing as a sport, and that is where he redeems himself IMO.
"No church in the wild"
The main point of all this is the UFC puts on the fights fans want to see
Regardless what fighters they have signed under contract the UFC listens to the fans and puts on the fights WE want to see with the fighters they have. In boxing there is no org in control and then what happens is M1 type managers like Arum put on the fights they want and don’t listen to the fans, This is what has hurt boxing the most and I’m glad MMA is not going this direction,
I like sleeping with my mouth open
except silva vs. sonnen II. anderson is ducking.
by Conan the Barbarian on Nov 25, 2011 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
This is not for the lack of the UFC trying but if Chael beats Munoz Silva won't be able to get out of it now
The thing is on this one I think Silva want to fight in Brazil and if he fights earlier he runs into a chance of not being able to if he gets injured. I think this is more than him ducking Sonnen?
I like sleeping with my mouth open
not from where i see it. silva calls out sonnen after sonnen is in talks to fight munoz next. ever wonder why the ufc wanted sonnen to fight munoz? because soares and silva hold the cards. they made that fight.
silva trained wandy. he hasn’t had surgery on his shoulder that he fought okami fine with. he is full of shit. anderon silva has done so much shady shit involving injuries that it isn’t even funny. he knows making a certain location a stipulation makes the fight less likely to happen, especially in a place where the ufc can’t confirm sonnen’s safety. silva is just plain scard of chael at this point.
by Conan the Barbarian on Nov 25, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know Conan
Silva has been fighting a long time and maybe he needs a break. This should also eliminate any excuses on Silva’s side for when they do meet assuming Sonnen beats Munoz.
And Chael will be fine as long as he stays in the right areas in Brazil tickets won’t be cheap so those that attend have something to lose. Will Sonnen get booed? Hell yeah maybe even spit on but I doubt his safety is in any jeopardy. Just think how epic that would be for Sonnen to beat Silva in Brazil!?
I like sleeping with my mouth open
that would be epic!
and the fans would probably cheer as well lol Silva is no Wanderlei,Nog or Shogun
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
not just epic but a likely scenario (besides cheering sonnen)
"I've always walked the walk but as the world gets worst I'm beginning to run. I'll keep running until I reach the promise land."-letter19
by letter19 on Nov 25, 2011 3:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the whole shoulder story just seemed made up to me. he looked fine against okami, but training wandy for cung while he is supossedly hurt
is too much for me. it seems the ole shoulder injury flares up when convenient. i still think silva is lying about the shoulder all together. remember his fight against sonnen and the “hurt rib” if an alledged injury can push him to the brink of defeat, why risk the same thing against okami??? and then why risk it further by training? it just doesn’t seem rational to me unless i consider that he is being dishonest.
by Conan the Barbarian on Nov 25, 2011 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Dana has made his fair share of homophobic
occupy my pants
by theoregonduck on Nov 25, 2011 3:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
arum has manny under contract he has no control over what floyd does
There are many reasons that fight aint happening its not all on arum..that’s like putting all the blame on white for not putting together fedor vs ufc champ years ago
"I've always walked the walk but as the world gets worst I'm beginning to run. I'll keep running until I reach the promise land."-letter19
by letter19 on Nov 25, 2011 12:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Fuck Dana, President of a multi-billion dollar company, paying these poor fighters 8 thousand to fight
And they’re LUCKY if they fight 4 times a year, that’s if they don’t suffer an injury, which cuts that to once or twice a year…fuck that shit
sigs are gay
Fighters on the undercard in boxing...
Make garbage which is correlated to non superstar UFC fighters not making a lot of money…if you make it big then of course the money will follow, like in any other buisness, MMA across the board pretty much pays the same, so its not like the UFC is holding out or anything
The fighters don’t seem to be complaining why should you?
by Robert(1) on Nov 25, 2011 12:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The fighters don’t seem to be complaining why should you?
Nick Diaz got the greatest win of his career and spent 20 mins bitching about the pay in MMA during the post fight press conference..saying fighters don’t make enough money to pay training partners in their camps. He went on and on bitching bout how MMA fighters have to go through so much more training and how it costs SO much more money to become a good MMA fighter than it does to become a good boxer…and there isn’t enough compensation to pay for a camp…
I still haven’t to this day heard any fighter say that Nick was wrong…still haven’t to this day heard a fighter come out and defend the UFC and say Nick was an idiot for criticizing what fighters make, gee I wonder why? Cause they’re all thinking the same thing…except Cung Le and his 350,000 a fight contract
sigs are gay
350,000 but after taxes and after paying all his expenses to fight, he probably goes home with 125,000
"I've always walked the walk but as the world gets worst I'm beginning to run. I'll keep running until I reach the promise land."-letter19
by letter19 on Nov 25, 2011 1:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
350,000 but after taxes and after paying all his expenses to fight, he probably goes home with 125,000
125?? They don’t more than half first and by what I have seen thats not that much until you start making million+. As well the UFC does not show everything they pay the fighters, it is possible Cung Le got a PPV bonus being the co-main event and it is possible he got a signing bonus with his contract………….these are facts known of us know but I find it pointless making something up.
I like sleeping with my mouth open
Don't hear Diaz complaining anymore?
Diaz didn’t start really complaining until Shields came to the UFC and now that Diaz is in the UFC I havene’t heard him complain and I don’t see your point HH? Anyway the money that is shown both on the UFC and boxing does not mean thats all the money these fighter are getting. Carwin stated he was happy and got more than what the UFC payday shows that we see on here all the time. This is were we don’t have the facts HH who and how much does the UFC pay besides what we see? We know many fighters get PPV bonus but what we don’t know is exact numbers and like I said I have not seen Diaz complain since being in the UFC
I like sleeping with my mouth open
diaz spent his entire UFC post fight press conference talking about mma fighters being underpaid..and he's correct
"I've always walked the walk but as the world gets worst I'm beginning to run. I'll keep running until I reach the promise land."-letter19
by letter19 on Nov 25, 2011 1:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I seen him in a interview stating he was happy with what he is getting paid now???
I like sleeping with my mouth open
ok you also said you haven't heard him complain since he's been in the ufc when he clearly has
"I've always walked the walk but as the world gets worst I'm beginning to run. I'll keep running until I reach the promise land."-letter19
by letter19 on Nov 25, 2011 1:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I seen him in a interview stating he was happy with what he is getting paid now???
Maybe going around airing dirty laundry about the truth of UFC pay made Dana give him some “stfu” cash
Kinda like Sonnen talking his way into a title shot, Diaz talked his way into Dana paying him to stfu about how bad they rip fighters off.
sigs are gay
The thing is none of us know the facts
All we know for sure is what their fight night night salaries are.
Do you know what Diaz gets for a PPV bonus?
Do you know what fighters get a yearly wage for being under contract?
Do you know what the TUF coach’s get?
Do you know what signing bonus’s are given?
Do you know what these guys get paid to be at a UFC publicity event?
When Diaz has stated MMA fighters don’t get paid enough does he think they should get paid in the 20million range like top tier boxers?
There is so many I don’t knows in this topic it is impossible to debate and I find pointless, it’s even more pointless for us fans to pick a side either way without knowing all the facts. Carwin has stated he is been paid well and more than his payday bonus shows us……..who else gets paid more?
In the payday thread after the last fight night there is HBO and showtime as well as a few PPV fight night salaries shown compared to the MMA and besides a couple boxers on one of the PPV the UFC salaries were more overall and there is actually many boxers getting paid only $1000 on the cards!! When you look at what facts we have MMA pays as much as a boxing card. Of coarse there is those super fight cards boxing has were two boxers get paid 20million each but those might happen once a year and are really hurting boxing all around.
I like sleeping with my mouth open
Fighters are fighters its about doing what you love and getting paid for it
Most fighters I know would be involved in some kind of fitness exercise venture anyway…so why not make a living off it…100,000 yr is not bad at all…boxing is done because of millionare salaries
by Robert(1) on Nov 25, 2011 2:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Here are some more facts, Diaz isn't the brightest bulb either and probably only looks at the 20million dollar figure pac and mayweather get
January 7 – ESPN 2 Friday Night Fights
Mauricio Herrera ($8,500) UD-12 Ruslan Provodnikov ($10,000)
Demetrius Andrade ($8,000) UD-8 Albert Herrera ($6,500)
Lonnie Smith ($800) KO-1 Jose Gomez ($1,800)
Harry Namauu ($2,000) UD-6 Manuel Otero ($1,500)
Richard Contreras ($1,200) KO-1 Juan Tepoz ($1,200)
Oscar Andrade ($1,200) UD-4 Deth’Marcus Hall ($1,200)
Jesus Gutierrez ($1,200) NC Franky Martinez ($1,200)
Total Payouts: $46,300
January 22 – Top Rank Live on Fox Sports Net
Diego Magdaleno ($8,500) TKO-5 Marcos Leonardo Jimenez ($6,000)
Robert Marroquin ($7,500) TKO-4 Eduardo Arcos ($6,000)
Jose Benavidez ($4,000) UD-6 Fernando Rodriguez ($3,000)
Julio Cesar Dos Santos ($2,500) RTD-5 Valente Tinajero ($2,500)
Abraham Han ($2,000) TKO-2 Orphius Waite ($3,000)
Anthony Lenk ($3,000) UD-6 Tyler Pogline ($2,000)
Jesse Magdaleno ($2,500) TKO-3 Cain Garcia ($1,500)
Total Payout: $54,000
February 19 – HBO World Championship Boxing
Nonito Donaire ($350,000) TKO-2 Fernando Montiel ($250,000)
Mike Jones ($75,000) UD-12 Jesus Soto Karass ($75,000)
Mark Jason Melligen ($10,000) UD-10 Gabriel Martinez ($6,000)
Mickey Bey Jr. ($8,000) MD-8 Jose Hernandez ($6,000)
Mike Alvarado ($20,000) RTD-4 Dean Harrison ($8,000)
Yordenis Ugas ($3,000) UD-6 Carlos Musquez ($2,500)
Rodrigo Garcia ($5,000) UD-4 Gerald Jordan ($3,500)
Ignacio Garcia ($2,200) MD-4 Armando Dorantes ($2,800)
Total Payout: $827,000
March 12 – Showtime PPV
Miguel Cotto ($1,000,000) TKO-12 Ricardo Mayorga ($50,000)
Miguel Vazquez ($150,000) UD-12 Leonardo Zappavigna ($65,000)
Pawel Wolak ($75,000) RTD-6 Yuri Foreman ($100,000)
Matt Korobov ($10,000) TKO-1 Michael Walker ($7,000)
Juan Gonzalez ($3,500) TKO-1 Jeremy McLaurin ($4,500)
Eric Molina ($8,000) TKO-6 Joseph Rabotte ($4,000)
Jesus Rojas ($3,000) UD-6 Isaac Hidalgo ($3,000)
Tommy Zbikowski ($50,000) TKO-1 Richard Bryant ($1,500)
Total Payout: $1,534,500
Let’s say Diaz proves to be the 10th best boxer in his weight division he would get paid around 10K. Like Roberto said the high priced boxers kill it for the rest of the fighters
I like sleeping with my mouth open
without the high paid boxers, the rest of them would be fighting in a back yard instead of on a ppv.
i’ve bought several boxing ppv’s and never once have i watched all the undercards.
by Conan the Barbarian on Nov 25, 2011 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Wow. That is really interesting, just reading the numbers set out like that. And by interesting I mean shitty. At least the UFC still pays mid ranked fighters decently.
I had no idea, I don’t really follow boxing.
MMA is like a puzzle, it's just a matter of finding a solution to each situation.
Yeah I know
Once you look at the facts it’s a different story. Listening to a employee is not the best thing to do either as many of us believe we are worth more than we are getting paid.
Something like america it self 99% of the money made from boxers is given to the 1% of boxers the rest is shared between the other 99% of the boxers.
I like sleeping with my mouth open
That's why I'm really glad you posted numerous examples.
It’s always good to be enlightened.
MMA is like a puzzle, it's just a matter of finding a solution to each situation.
Puck Head....
Where did you get those numbers?
I’ve been looking for a link to boxing payoffs but haven’t been able to find one.
TFK
Check out the MMA Forums at http://www.boxingfanatics.com/forums/f24/
its called the internet
Puck Head
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
No shit dumbass
I am asking him where on the internet he found them.
TFK
Check out the MMA Forums at http://www.boxingfanatics.com/forums/f24/
open ur eyes!
TFK
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
You fail at being funny
And I’m sure most other things as well.
TFK
Check out the MMA Forums at http://www.boxingfanatics.com/forums/f24/
They were actually posted on Bloodyelbow who has the source there
If I have time I’ll find them for you, I had these posted on another thread so it was easy for me to re post them today.
I like sleeping with my mouth open
Thanks Puck
I’ve never visited Bloody Elbow, I’ll have to check it out.
TFK
Check out the MMA Forums at http://www.boxingfanatics.com/forums/f24/
Here's the link to bloodyelbow
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/3/15/2053137/examining-pay-structure-in-boxing-and-mma
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there's only 1 reason this fight hasn't happened...
Manny doesn’t want to fight floyd, simple as! If he did he would of told bob make the fight… Floyd would make him look second rate. That’s the only argument there is on this topic
by s00049643 on Nov 25, 2011 12:46 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
you really have NO idea what youre talking about do you?
Have you even bothered to look into the multiple demands of Mayweather? Or how many concession Manny has been asked to make? Or how many he’s agreed to and Floyd STILL hasn’t taken the fight yet? I’m talking contractually guaranteed money, ring size, glove size, rematch clause, PPV points, and lastly the 24hr random drug/steroid testing….like knock on your door at 327am on a Tuesday morning and stick a needle into you testing. Floyd said he will sign if he’s guaranteed $100 million. That should tell you who’s dodging this fight. Never speak your mind again if your mind is so weak & feeble…Educate yourself my son.
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." George Bernard Shaw
by Fat Daddy Doobs on Nov 25, 2011 1:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You now this factually? He asked for random drug testing which was a massive problem for manny, he’s come up over 30 pounds carrying power, do you know what your talking about??!! If your clean you take the test, you don’t bitch and moan for months and then change your mind. If your making the fight people are wanting to see the money is definitely there to get paid. Now you wait and think before ya start yapping on this ya retard
by s00049643 on Nov 25, 2011 1:24 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
are you aware that they BOTH started at a similar weight & age?
So they’ve both approached this weight class but at different time frame. Floyd jumped weight faster so maybe we should check him for HGH? Use your head boy..And yes the demands were released to show who was stalling the fight…
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." George Bernard Shaw
by Fat Daddy Doobs on Nov 25, 2011 5:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Actually Fat Daddy you don't know what YOU are talking about. Floyd only had ONE demand and Pac NEVER agreed to it.
Floyd asked for Random drug testing with no cut off date. Pac first “agreed” to 30 day cut off then 14 days then 7 days meaning there still was cut off date. He also wanted to know when the testers were coming, making it not random. Pac on the other hand asked for SEVERAL ridiculous unheard of demands and Floyd AGREED. Then Arum, not Floyd or Pac, came out and said “We met Floyds demands” (even though he never did). “Now Floyds changing the demands” (also never happened). The Floyd hating/Pac worshippers just took it as truth. bottom line that’s all in the past right now today PBF said let’s do it in May, Arum said he wants the useless JMM4. That speaks in volumes.
by djkrazykill on Nov 25, 2011 2:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
he did agree then Floyd asked for ridiculous money
another excuse
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
JMM4 means Arum is not letting Floyd stop his money...
And if they still haven’t made a fight for May, there’s always the winner of Margarito/Cotto…its not letting a competitor decide your market! And there was a reason that Floyd chose JMM to be his 1st fight back from his little “retirement”…think it was coincidence that Floyd picked him? Or made him come up almost 18lbs? You know why he did it…and its all to belittle Pacs efforts, just like the demands..Floyd himself in his 24/7 vids has admitted he’s made a ton of demands for Pac (as he was making Ortiz pick his gloves btw)…every kind of demand he wants, down to %s of the concession stands! Then he admits to asking for $100mil for the fight if he gives up on the drug testing…if money makes it go away, and its not that important, whos holding shit up then? And Top Rank released the demands to show where the negotiations were getn stalled.
"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man." George Bernard Shaw
by Fat Daddy Doobs on Nov 25, 2011 5:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
bullshit!
and its funny Floyd all of a sudden wants the fight after seeing how well Marquez did! Same way he took the Hatton fight at 147 after he saw what Collazo did to him.Out of the 3 id say only Manny really wants the fight but you cant blame Arum in the past.Top Rank is his UFC and putting his fighters against one another keeps all the money in one circle.That makes sense to me.
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
reverse it kiddo, floyd made it impossible the last time they sat at the tale with his diva demands. he kept on moving the goal post. the guy is full of shit.
by Conan the Barbarian on Nov 25, 2011 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
i honestly believe Floyd wants it now
after seeing the Marquez fight.Its Arum who wants to get a bit more money out of Pacman before he fights Floyd
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
and im Ante-FM
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
Arum is the reason this fight hasnt happened
I’m sure both fighters want to fight each other with the money they’ll earn, arum just doesn want manny to lose because then arum would lose money
"I started out with a hundred tapes, if you wasn't down then get the fuck out my face" - South Park Mexican
by antone04 on Nov 25, 2011 1:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Sorry to be critical but, I notice that its become a trend as of late to try and make it difficult to figure out who the "Quick Quotes" are from.
When reading a quote, its always best to know who the quote is from so that you can put it into context.
I’m pretty sure this quote is from Alex Ariza, but to be honest, I’m not even 100% sure on that as 3 different names appear before his in the write up following the quote.
People come here for information, not to play a guessing game of “who said it?”
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agree..kind of frustrating
"I've always walked the walk but as the world gets worst I'm beginning to run. I'll keep running until I reach the promise land."-letter19
by letter19 on Nov 25, 2011 1:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I completely AGREE! Come on J Ho, when you guys do the quotes give the quote source in the beginning so there's no confusion
Some of the titles are misleading, for example a headline will read:
Brock Lesnar: “Reem doesn’t have a chance in hell”
It looks like Brock is saying Reem doesn’t have a chance in hell in their fight and it gives a big long quote….but it turns out the quote is actually from some dude who lives down the road from a cousin that used to hunt with a guy who lives on a farm near where Brock hunts sometimes and he heard from another hunter that a trainer that’s friends with Brock’s main trainer that his wife told him that Brock’s brother said Reem doesn’t stand a chance in hell.
So its like wtf? What kind of sourcing is that?
So often the headlines are misleading to the actual quote
sigs are gay
Yep
I’ve already committed to reading the article.
It reminds me of when I’m watching a show…..say……Deadliest Catch and they give me a 30 second “stay fuckin tuned”! promo…..like…..I’m watching the damn show…..stop trying to pull me in. I’m already here!
That's like making fun of a maniac because his brain isn't completely right, because he isn't in the norm.
Alice Cooper
by Scottidog on Nov 25, 2011 5:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
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