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UFC on FOX results: Enough about what Cain Velasquez did wrong, praise what Junior dos Santos did right

Photo of Junior dos Santos by Donald Miralle via Zuffa LLC/Getty Images

If you happened to catch the ending of UFC on FOX, you were witness to scathing analysis from the fight promotion's president, Dana White. He wondered aloud why the now upended heavyweight champion, Cain Velasquez, didn't utilize the All-American wrestling abilities he had at his disposal with more vigor than he actually did.

If you visited MMAmania.com during the past two days, you read both pundits and fans alike criticize the Mexican-American for failing to control the distance in the striking exchanges, a mistake that ultimately led to the end of the 64-second fight.

A lot of attention the past 48 hours or so has been focused on what Velasquez did wrong and the bad choices he made once he stepped inside the Octagon against his opponent. As the champion walking into the Honda Center in Anaheim, Calif., on Saturday night (Nov. 12, 2011), that much can be expected. There is more pressure at the top than anywhere else after all, especially in a division as tumultuous as heavyweight has been, is, and will likely continue to be.

"Heavy is the head that wears the crown" and all that jazz.

But, when all is said and done, when the dust settled and the smoke cleared, there stood a single man who had accomplished only what a scant few have been able to do. Junior dos Santos became only the sixteenth man to hold the UFC heavyweight title. And he achieved it in the most important fight in the company's history.

Velasquez is a supremely talented young man and will no doubt find himself in another five-round title bout, but following the outcome of Saturday's fight, the focus shouldn't be on his shortcomings, but rather what dos Santos did right and what it means for him and the UFC at large.

Here are just a few examples:

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  • Avoiding the takedown

"Cigano" went face-to-face with Velasquez's wrestling, eyeballed it up and down, and threw it away like a gum wrapper. The truth is the former champion did try to take the fight to the ground, but failed to put the Brazilian on his back for more than one or two seconds. The only time dos Santos was horizontal, he immediately sprang back up to his feet. In less than a minute, Velasquez tried twice to get dos Santos down -- once from a straight takedown attempt and a second from a kick that was caught. Now, I'm just a lowly mixed martial arts (MMA) blogger, I'm no mathematician, but that roughly averages out to an attempt every 30 seconds. Velasquez didn't fail to impose his wrestling. He tried, but Dos Santos was just not having any of it.

  • Won the most viewed UFC fight

The ratings are beginning to trickle in from Saturday night. And while it's not the grand slam that many were predicting -- somewhat foolishly, in my opinion -- the number is high enough to warrant popping the top off an exorbitantly-priced bottle of wine at Zuffa headquarters. It was just enough to knock everyone's favorite YouTube brawler Kimbo Slice from his perch, with nearly 6 million people tuning into see dos Santos do what he does best: knock fools out.

  • Controlling the stand up

I suppose it goes without saying that the fighter who got the knockout one minute into the fight did better in the striking department. But, dos Santos did more than that. He used his far superior boxing skills -- crafted and honed by the legendary Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira -- to control the striking exchanges to ensure he never put himself in immediate danger. He was able to crack Velasquez a couple of times before that big, looping hook drilled itself into the American Kickboxing Academy (AKA) fighter's skull. It only took a minute but "Cigano" looked great while it lasted.

  • King of the mountain

With the victory -- his eighth inside the Octagon -- dos Santos becomes not only the heavyweight champion of the promotion, he also becomes the number one heavyweight in the sport. The two main event fighters from Saturday occupied the top two slots in the SB Nation Consensus Rankings going into their bout with the next three being Alistair Overeem, Brock Lesnar and Fabricio Werdum. The latter two are coming off losses while the former needs to win next month to get a crack at the title. Should Overeem defeat Lesnar at UFC 141, he has a case for being the top heavyweight in the world, but will to get past dos Santos to prove it.

  • But it's lonely at the top

It's not all rainbows and puppy dogs for the big boys in the UFC. Now that dos Santos has the title, he's got a big bullseye on his back. Or at least, he should. MMA Nation opines that the heavyweight division could begin to falter and it's hard to disagree. The Brazilian will face the winner of UFC 141's main event while Velasquez might end up taking on the loser. When looking at the roster, there are only two to three fights that can be counted on for the new champ: a rematch with the man he beat on Saturday, a match up with former champion Lesnar, and a bout with recent signee Overeem. Whoever wins the Strikeforce grand prix would also be a great addition to that list but we're still a few months off from knowing who that will be, either Josh Barnett or Daniel Cormier.

UFC on FOX 1 didn't tell the story of a man who failed to achieve his goals. It spun the yarn of a young man who came from poverty to become the only Brazilian to hold the undisputed heavyweight crown in the UFC.

The event wasn't about what didn't happen. It was all about what did.

History happened, folks. We saw history unfold.

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I WAS WRONG

JDS HAS KO POWER. That is all

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law

I slept with faith and found a corpse in my arms on awakening; I drank and danced all night with doubt and found her a virgin in the morning.

The sin which is unpardonable is knowingly and wilfully to reject truth, to fear knowledge lest that knowledge pander not to thy prejudices.

Ah snap, ah snap. Come to my macaroni party and take a nap.

by Str8_right on Nov 14, 2011 7:39 PM EST reply actions  

you must be wrong ALOT if you didn't know JDS had KO power.

Top 5 most boring fighters to watch p4p:
1. Jake "Mr. Snuggie" Shields
2. G "what's the Rush?" SP
3. Jon Fitch
4. Gray "lets cuddle?" Maynard
5. any wrestler w/ the same fight strategy as #1-4

by TheRassler on Nov 14, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

Kids, you tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.

by Brizzle T on Nov 14, 2011 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

thought it was overrated

turns out Big Country has a helluvah a chin.

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law

I slept with faith and found a corpse in my arms on awakening; I drank and danced all night with doubt and found her a virgin in the morning.

The sin which is unpardonable is knowingly and wilfully to reject truth, to fear knowledge lest that knowledge pander not to thy prejudices.

Ah snap, ah snap. Come to my macaroni party and take a nap.

by Str8_right on Nov 14, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

frank mir did say he had bruises on his knee from his chin lol

But cain will be back and better than ever

NICK DIAZ.... champ early 2012

by 209stk on Nov 14, 2011 10:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

fuck yeah

nelson has one of the hardest chins to crack in the game…not jumping on you, just saying lol

We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.

by magicmike on Nov 14, 2011 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

stupid on your part

You only looked at his past two fights instead of the fact that apart from those two he’s knocked out everyone else he’s came across. You also overlooked the fact that JDS had both Carwin and Big Country rocked in those fights.

by Andre on Nov 14, 2011 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

see my response to David

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law

I slept with faith and found a corpse in my arms on awakening; I drank and danced all night with doubt and found her a virgin in the morning.

The sin which is unpardonable is knowingly and wilfully to reject truth, to fear knowledge lest that knowledge pander not to thy prejudices.

Ah snap, ah snap. Come to my macaroni party and take a nap.

by Str8_right on Nov 15, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

So someone did say this afterall then

Dear me, he’s knocked down his opponent in every single UFC fight. Of course JDS has power, that’s an even worse call than the pillow fists Cain BS.

Lance Storm is the most innovative wrestler to ever lace up a pair of boots, what a fool I was to pick against him, I will now have to live with the fact that I am forever raped by the Cloverleaf.

by David W-S on Nov 14, 2011 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

was just looking at the dudes that he did KO

which werent impressive. Thought Cain had a better chin. In all fairness, that shot behind the ear is a bitch. It wont put you out, but it put you down and wobbly. GSP and Machida know. Cain tried a weak ass left hook counter on the inside and Juniors threw his hook a lot faster. He won, I was wrong.

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law

I slept with faith and found a corpse in my arms on awakening; I drank and danced all night with doubt and found her a virgin in the morning.

The sin which is unpardonable is knowingly and wilfully to reject truth, to fear knowledge lest that knowledge pander not to thy prejudices.

Ah snap, ah snap. Come to my macaroni party and take a nap.

by Str8_right on Nov 15, 2011 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

At least you can admit when youre wrong.

A lot of these folks on this site could never do it..lol

by dragonassault on Nov 15, 2011 9:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Id say Mir is two to three fights away from a shot.

As long as Brock isn’t the champ at the time.

You mind your own damn business.

by jestermarcus on Nov 14, 2011 7:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

LOLZ

JDS would kill him

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law

I slept with faith and found a corpse in my arms on awakening; I drank and danced all night with doubt and found her a virgin in the morning.

The sin which is unpardonable is knowingly and wilfully to reject truth, to fear knowledge lest that knowledge pander not to thy prejudices.

Ah snap, ah snap. Come to my macaroni party and take a nap.

by Str8_right on Nov 14, 2011 9:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I never said Mir was going to win a belt.

But he may earn a shot soon.

You mind your own damn business.

by jestermarcus on Nov 14, 2011 11:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Which sums up how weak HW really is

Brock will quit after Alistair KOs him, then after the big Alistair fights it’s just Mir and rematches left for JDS until Cormier makes the move to the UFC or Barnett if he really has made up with Dana.

Lance Storm is the most innovative wrestler to ever lace up a pair of boots, what a fool I was to pick against him, I will now have to live with the fact that I am forever raped by the Cloverleaf.

by David W-S on Nov 14, 2011 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

i have a feeling...

Dana white is going to get fired or not be the spokesman for the company anymore, he really says some stupid things ecpecially in the post fight, think he may have put a small fortune on Cain and was acting all digruntled when he lost, and telling the media or fans to shut up when they asked about having a 2nd fight on. and saying the JdS gasses and gets tired in the later Rounds was really bad, nice way to welcome in the new Champ.

by nick999 on Nov 14, 2011 8:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Yes Nick

 Dana is not a good commentator, he was baffled by Cains decision to stand and trade with JDS and I believe was upset at how the fight went down so quickly. I don’t think he ment to cut down JDS I think he was more upset on how the fight went down and regardless showed us he should not be a commentator.

"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn

by Puck Head on Nov 14, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

which is why he should have listened to the fans about showing more than one fight.

The hardcore fans do have good input on what is good for the sport and how to bring it mainstream. Guida/Henderson would have saved his ass, one 3 round mma fight with quick lightweights, and then the main event being the big men with a 64 second knock out. mike goldberg would say “OH MY GOODNESS, ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN IN BOXING” followed by rogan correcting him “no its mma” would have been classic ufc into the mainstream. Dana shouldnt be so surprised that cain stood and traded with dos santos, because the week of the fight cain did an interview stating that that was his plan

by KCmmaBadBoy on Nov 14, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Usually the UFC listens to the fans, this was one case they didn`t

 And wether Dana was surprised or not his comments I think came from him not being upset with how the fight went down, I believe he was expecting more of a war and with all the hype and promoting Dana did it didn`t live up to his expectations, he should come out and apolagize to both Cain and JDS but I think there were many factors that turned this into being just and hour show the first being the big boxing fight being an hour after this show was suppose to end.

"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn

by Puck Head on Nov 14, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

It was always going to be the wrong decision

Pity that Dana blames the fans when things don’t pan out instead of accepting when he’s made a mistake.

Lance Storm is the most innovative wrestler to ever lace up a pair of boots, what a fool I was to pick against him, I will now have to live with the fact that I am forever raped by the Cloverleaf.

by David W-S on Nov 14, 2011 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Not a Commentator

He was there as an analyst, therefore had to give his opinion. Which was the question REAL MMA fans were asking.

"Man.......turn around and eat your big ass biscuit"

by ruckaone on Nov 14, 2011 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Dana had no business analysing any fights

He’s a promoter with a big mouth who lets his emotions dictate what he says so of course he acted like an idiot on live TV when the guy he wanted to win lost straight away. Shame on FOX for putting him in that position and shame on Dana and Zuffa in general for having him as the spokesman of MMA. This is why the UFC President shouldn’t be a bigger celebrity than the fighters and lets face it the only reason Brock and Dana were in the studio was because they’re the faces of MMA in the US.

Lance Storm is the most innovative wrestler to ever lace up a pair of boots, what a fool I was to pick against him, I will now have to live with the fact that I am forever raped by the Cloverleaf.

by David W-S on Nov 14, 2011 11:39 PM EST up reply actions  

dana always talks out his ass but

when its aimed at the fans telling them to shut the fuck up about it and if they wanted to see all the fights that they should have bought a ticket. he apparently doesnt realize the cable bills and internet bills we pay to make sure we see every single event. he wants to run his mouth about bob arum and not giving the fans what they want. then turns around and tells the fans to shut the fuck up about a 2nd fight on fox. as much as dana wants to say “you dont realize the fertittas and i brought this company from 50 million dollars in debt to where we are now” dana you, the ufc, and your fox deal would never have happened if it werent for the hardcore fans

by KCmmaBadBoy on Nov 14, 2011 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Most of what you stated I agree with

 But Dana and the UFC helped turn this into a mainstream sport no other org has helped MMA progress to were it has today and Dana should stick to building the sport and promoting the events as this is what he is good at, commentary he is not

"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn

by Puck Head on Nov 14, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

im just saying dana didnt invent mma

anyone with the money connections,willing to take a huge chance, and love for the sport could have done what he did at that time cause no one else was doing it. alot of it was just the right things happening at the right time (forrest vs bonnar and chuck liddel fighting the way he did) hes losing sight of the actual sport being more concerned about business. they go hand in hand, but without a full love for the sport then we might as well call him mr. arum

by KCmmaBadBoy on Nov 14, 2011 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I don`t know about that KC, Dana and the UFC invested much more than money

 The reason Dana got involved with MMA is because he`s a fan of the sport any other blow joe may of turned MMA more into a freak show than a sport. Talk about the time and effort to legalize MMA when there were so many against it and more times than not Dana puts on the fights we the fans want to see…take an org like M1 and they tell you the fights you want to see. This is why the UFC is succesful it listens to the fans much more than they don`t.

"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn

by Puck Head on Nov 14, 2011 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

The reason i'm this criticizing about dana is because

The reason you just mentioned. This company was built by the fertitas, the fans, the fighters, and dana. yes dana knew the right moves, but without the fans, fighters and fertitas he would not be where he is today. Him telling the fans to shut the fuck up and you should have bought a ticket is a turn in the wrong direction for the whole sport. The fight might not have lived up to his expectations, but he said it himself “wether the fight goes 30 seconds or 25 minutes it will be a hell of a fight.” He was asked plenty of times if he had a backup plan and he said no and didnt seem to be to concerned. He knows its mma and anything can happen. He spent time picking the 2 fighters who would represent the ufc the best in there debut. The fighters presented themselves in a very respectable way and did there job. Just to be talked down on by dana, and dana ending up being the one who didnt represent mma or the ufc in the right manner.

by KCmmaBadBoy on Nov 14, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

The post fight press conference he did the opposite and talked JDS up

 Dana`s a fan and like many of sometimes our opinions come out wrong, I truely don`t think he ment to say JDS has horrible endurance I think what he was trying to get at was Cains was that much more superior and in the post fight press conference JDS even stated his biggest fear was this going past the 3rd round because of Cains endurance. You know Dana stated it in way that was wrong I agree but Dana also was stressed probably more than the fighters as this was to him the biggest day in UFC history and being a little disappointed things just came out wrong…for all the good dana has brought us I`m willing to give him the benifet of the doubt?

"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn

by Puck Head on Nov 14, 2011 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree with you

but he is also held to higher standard and cant always state his opinion and run his mouth. i’ve always like dana it was just this whole deal that rubbed me the wrong way. we will just have to see if he stays the asshole that we all know and love or if he changes and becomes a money hungry asshole. i’ll bet on the asshole we all know and love but hes representing trying to be the face of the sport and needs to watch what he says so that he continues being a part of the solution and not the problem

by KCmmaBadBoy on Nov 14, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey Puck

You’re Canadian….do you remember when Don Cherry went to the Nagano Olympics with Team Canada? On the world stage, Cherry looked out of touch and out of place.
That’s what Dana reminded me of on the big stage. He looked out of his element and seemed like a little fish in a big pond.
Was it just me, or do you hear me?

That's like making fun of a maniac because his brain isn't completely right, because he isn't in the norm.
Alice Cooper

by Scottidog on Nov 14, 2011 9:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

hmm, commenting again are we

i remember that, but i actually think it was the salt lake games, not the nagano games…i could be wrong though

We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.

by magicmike on Nov 14, 2011 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Does that mean you didn't miss me? No bro hugs? No cake?

Cherry ranted against Quebec, its politicians and it’s athletes in Nagano. He was baffled by the Japanese culture and appeared old and miserable.
He ranted against the Russians in Salt Lake….lol. That actually helps illustrate my point.
At what point does the face of a sport become a detriment to it’s growth?
Of course he can be fired. Bought out, at least. He only has 10 percent. That being said, he has made his partners a lot of money and realistically, Dana isn’t going anywhere.
He will battle with network suits, once the honeymoon is over. He will curse. He will be Dana.
I shook my head at his comments about Cain. It wasn’t the first time he went off on an ill advised rant and it won’t be the last.

That's like making fun of a maniac because his brain isn't completely right, because he isn't in the norm.
Alice Cooper

by Scottidog on Nov 14, 2011 11:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

9%

He sold some stock to that Abu Dhabi promotions group as part of the deal to host an event there.

Lance Storm is the most innovative wrestler to ever lace up a pair of boots, what a fool I was to pick against him, I will now have to live with the fact that I am forever raped by the Cloverleaf.

by David W-S on Nov 14, 2011 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

jordy nelson can suck my cock

4th most points in the league, in 11th place, yeah that makes sense

We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.

by magicmike on Nov 14, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn you, penny pinching english detail stickler!

Good point though ;)
Funny how that deal never gets mentioned….unless you count us Maniacs arguing about AS horrific display.
I gathered there were going to be more events there…..why did they sell a piece?

That's like making fun of a maniac because his brain isn't completely right, because he isn't in the norm.
Alice Cooper

by Scottidog on Nov 14, 2011 11:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

dana mentions it more than anybody else

he throws it out there on occasion…mentions the “abu dhabi guys”

We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.

by magicmike on Nov 14, 2011 11:57 PM EST up reply actions  

how do you know the exact percentage?

zuffa sold 10 percent to abu dhabi, but i dont think they ever said how much of dana, lorenzo, and franks stake went to them

We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.

by magicmike on Nov 15, 2011 12:01 AM EST up reply actions  

loretta hunt comes to mind

We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.

by magicmike on Nov 14, 2011 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Is that the reporter that Dana went off on a while back?

Sorry, the name is familiar but ya lost me :)

That's like making fun of a maniac because his brain isn't completely right, because he isn't in the norm.
Alice Cooper

by Scottidog on Nov 15, 2011 12:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

indeed it is

no worries, its easy to lose you…i figured id have to explain something sooner or later

We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.

by magicmike on Nov 15, 2011 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank god I'm pretty

That's like making fun of a maniac because his brain isn't completely right, because he isn't in the norm.
Alice Cooper

by Scottidog on Nov 15, 2011 12:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

are you really saying that in your family...

YOU are the…nevermind

We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.

by magicmike on Nov 15, 2011 12:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Look closer Slick

She looks like me. Granted, she made it work.
Still……that should put a cramp in your daydreams.

Or WILL it?

That's like making fun of a maniac because his brain isn't completely right, because he isn't in the norm.
Alice Cooper

by Scottidog on Nov 15, 2011 12:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

hahah

if you really think im daydreaming about your daughter, then idk why you would even continue to speak to me lol…besides, i try not to think of other girls besides the one im banging at the moment

We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.

by magicmike on Nov 15, 2011 12:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I can take a joke

Plus, it’s easier with yours, as they’re so rarely funny.
So you landed one in the boat, huh?
It’s Snooky, isn’t it.
I know she’s scabby but god help me, I want to see those.

That's like making fun of a maniac because his brain isn't completely right, because he isn't in the norm.
Alice Cooper

by Scottidog on Nov 15, 2011 12:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

lol, im glad you had a good retort there

as i basically lobbed you a set up hahaha…and im not gonna lie, its been a good year for me as far as females go, it pays to be a senior on a team that has its fair share of groupies…idk what scabby means in canadia lol, but if you mean ugly, then i agree haha

We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.

by magicmike on Nov 15, 2011 12:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, she's rough

A face like a can of smashed assholes.
Epic drunken midget boobs, though.

That's like making fun of a maniac because his brain isn't completely right, because he isn't in the norm.
Alice Cooper

by Scottidog on Nov 15, 2011 1:01 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

yeah, they are pretty sizeable

theres been a rare few occasions where shes looked not too bad, but not enough to sway me lol

We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.

by magicmike on Nov 15, 2011 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I might need a few beers.

That's like making fun of a maniac because his brain isn't completely right, because he isn't in the norm.
Alice Cooper

by Scottidog on Nov 15, 2011 8:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

id need more than a few

actually, id probably do it sober, just for the story…and on the off chance she actually likes me and i stay with her, its a sad thought, but shes a millionaire

We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.

by magicmike on Nov 15, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

DANA is part owner

Nobody is firing anybody, who are you people?
bunch of johnny come latelies

"Man.......turn around and eat your big ass biscuit"

by ruckaone on Nov 14, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

+100000000000

I like bacon...
#1 Quinton Rampage the Dragon Slayer Jackson fan for LIFE..FTW!!! Nick Diaz would mop the floor with GSP and the fight with Sheilds confirms it!!!
The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his" I hate Jon Jones..No mas la raza!!! JDS Bitches

by Big-dawg on Nov 14, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

he wont get fired

and hell still be the spokesman…i just dont think theyll be using him as an analyst anymore

We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.

by magicmike on Nov 14, 2011 10:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't be surprised if Lorenzo and Frank had a quiet word behind the scenes with Dana

His role in the public eye will be reduced if he carries on making the company look bad, this deal with FOX is bigger than Dana and he needs to remember that before talking out of his arse.

Lance Storm is the most innovative wrestler to ever lace up a pair of boots, what a fool I was to pick against him, I will now have to live with the fact that I am forever raped by the Cloverleaf.

by David W-S on Nov 14, 2011 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

i dont think he made the company look bad

hes made himself look worse on numerous occasions

We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.

by magicmike on Nov 14, 2011 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

Dana white pissed me the fuk off woth that shit. Was very unprofessional and very disrespectful to the new champ. I liked dana white before this. Now i say fuk dw, douchebag..

by dragonassault on Nov 15, 2011 9:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

i feel bad for dos santos

couture, lesnar, and valasquez the most recent champs. all of them get boasted about. coutures unbelievable for his age, lesnar is the next generation of heavyweights, and valasquez being a whole nother breed. Then you get dos santos who capitalized on a rocked cain, finishes him in 64 seconds, only to have dana white talk shit about his cardio. with the rest of the attention on what cain did wrong instead of what junior did right. he does all of this PR for the biggest deal the ufc has ever gotten. captures the championship when almost no one gave him a chance. i hope he fucks some people up and holds the belt for a while

by KCmmaBadBoy on Nov 14, 2011 8:03 PM EST reply actions  

I agree

It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.

by Jesse Holland on Nov 14, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he stepped over the line this time with it being the biggest fight ever, completely thoughtless comments, funny thing Brock I thought was really good on pre and post fight coverage giving honest, unbiased opinions.

by nick999 on Nov 14, 2011 8:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think Lesnar didn’t want to be there and was only there because it was a requirement. He was asked to do this and wanted to be a part of it.

by Andre on Nov 14, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed with every word

Great article from Sergio and it’s refreshing to see more people that want to talk about what JDS has achieved and not to sell his title victory short. In all likelihood was brought in as cannon fodder for Werdum so to see a man come into the UFC with little to no hype (other than hitting the mits in a vlog for 10s) and to go on and win 8 fights with the company including wins over the 2 guys expected to dominate the division in Cain and Carwin, with 6 finishes by strikes is beyond amazing. I’m happy for Junior both as a man and a fighter, he deserves this more than anyone. Screw the negativity, for once we should all be positive and praise a humble, hard working man that came from poverty who achieved his dream against the odds and is now the best HW in the world.

Lance Storm is the most innovative wrestler to ever lace up a pair of boots, what a fool I was to pick against him, I will now have to live with the fact that I am forever raped by the Cloverleaf.

by David W-S on Nov 14, 2011 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

People will always make excuses. Maybe Cain just doesn’t have the same killer instinct he had in his earlier fights, maybe he never will again. I’m not saying he won’t, I’m just saying anything is possible in this sport.

I have to say, I was going for Junior before I saw the primetime special, then after that I was happy for either guy to win. But just before the fight I couldn’t help but barrack for Junior because he just seems like the most awesome person, with great fighting skills to go along with it.

So when I saw him win, and so quickly, I was ecstatic. In that minute+ he showed both takedown defense and excellent striking. I was so utterly proud of him winning, it is the first time I have seen a new title winner that I have been rooting for to win actually achieve his goal.

In short, JDS is a beast. Cain couldn’t get him down straight away, and frankly, this fight showed that there is a significant risk in trying to stand with JDS for any period of time.

People say Brock with own him, I say Cain couldn’t get him down in time. People say Overeem will outstrike him, I say look at Overeem’s last fight.

I don’t often have strong opinions but the fact in this case is that JDS is one hell of a fighter and I don’t see, based on previous fights they have had anyone being able to stand with him or take him down.

I’m not going to be a fool and say it’s impossible, but I will say I am optimistic for his future.

by The Ruiner on Nov 15, 2011 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

good article

It’s all right on. I had a lot of faith in Cain Velasquez, and I still do, and I still keep coming up with reasons he lost. The fact is JDS knocked him out and deserves all the respect Cain got after demolishing Brock.

I also thought Dana’s post-fight trashing of Cain was pretty disrespectful to JDS. He had a lot of stock in Cain to get the “Mexican” viewership. I’m guessing he was trying to cater to that audience instead of the rest of us.

by SnoopSteele on Nov 14, 2011 8:24 PM EST reply actions  

But I really don't see why it would be that big of a problem.

He WAS the heavyweight champ and still is a Mexican that ia who I think te number 2 heavyweight in the world. It’s the ufc, you can’t expect to win em all unless your name is Anderson silva. You win some you lose some. I think Cain will be back, he’s grown a very strong fan base, not just all mexicans. People will pay to see Killer Cain fight again, Dana shouldn’t be mad.

I think Cain will climb his way right back up. Being a big dos Santos fan I hope he doesn’t become the champ anytime soon but in reality, Cains way too good and him and junior are bound to meet again. I just hope JdS pulls it off again lol. But I really don’t think Cain loses much steam here. They’re talking about maybe giving him Kongo again, that would be a great ass whooping Cain can use to get himself some steam again.

by xMMAxTYSONxMMA on Nov 14, 2011 10:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I'd love to see Cain destroy Kongo again

Seeing him destroy Mir would be priceless as well.

Lance Storm is the most innovative wrestler to ever lace up a pair of boots, what a fool I was to pick against him, I will now have to live with the fact that I am forever raped by the Cloverleaf.

by David W-S on Nov 14, 2011 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Fuck Dana

Fighters are the ones who have made mma popular , not you Dana .

"10thDegreeWhiteBelt is my hero, Cain is over-rated, and I would bang Dos Santos' wife. GO REDSOX!"

by wooly shambler on Nov 14, 2011 8:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Not just boxing. He has incredible take down defense. If he didn’t have that, his boxing would be worthless.

"He's got a great package... and an unusual one!" Joe Rogan (of Lyoto Machida)

by crizzy on Nov 14, 2011 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Like Rogan said, there’s two ways to be successful in the ufc. Being great in all areas of the game, or being superb in one area and good in all others. JDS is superb with his hands and good enough everywhere else to keep the fight where he wants it, his TDD being one of those. There is no way JDS would be where he’s at today with just boxing. But it’s definitely his bread and butter and I’m convinced if anyone stands with him they’re either going out or their face will be ripped apart as he goes to a unanimous decision.

I expect to see a Cain JDS rematch.

by xMMAxTYSONxMMA on Nov 14, 2011 10:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think Overeem could give him some problems should they fight. JDS would fight the perfect fight for Overeem to do well. I would love to see it.

"He's got a great package... and an unusual one!" Joe Rogan (of Lyoto Machida)

by crizzy on Nov 14, 2011 10:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Another good piece Sergio.

Its time to give Cigano his due.

He’ll be a classy champ.

Cesar is a Gracie for crying out loud. They are supposed to be respectful. I see the American whore way of Life has gotten to this Brazilian. What happened to honor and respect! Wait I know… Money happened.

-UHC

by Yan117 on Nov 14, 2011 8:45 PM EST reply actions  

Juniors been my favorite fighter for a couplke of years now, and I have to say I could'nt understand why everyone underestimated him so much here.

his striking is the best mma has to offer, trained I have to mention by Luis Dorea, the best boxing coach in mma. The first right cross he threw was actually nicer than the KO punch. As some folks were also saying, his take down defense and general wrestling is underrated and has improved every fight. One more thing he has going for him, which many would argue is strange and irrelevant, but in my opinion important as anything, is the aura of a champion. His character is that of a champion’s. I see great tests for him in the future but am confident he is up for the challenge. Good piece, Sergio.

by theworldismine on Nov 14, 2011 8:48 PM EST reply actions  

Aura of a champion hey?

I’m very curious as to what you mean? I love Junior, and he seems like a respectful, genuine, cheerful and honourable guy, but then again so does Cain. Maybe not cheerful for Cain, but I’m sure you know what I mean. They seem very similar is some ways anyway. Is that what you’re getting at?

Also, in case you haven’t seen it this is a quote from an interview with JDS in Fighters Only not long ago:

Fighters Only:Missing out on fighting Brock after TUF never impacted on your performance against Carwin., Did you take your frustrations out on him?

JDS (some stuff I won’t write)… this is a sport.; hitting hard shots isn’t about taking frustration out on somebody, it’s about winning. If I want to take out frustration, I’ll use a punch bag or go for a run, not hit another human. I fight in the octagon; I fight for the sport, against a willing, equally skilled opponent, not for frustration.

I just love that quote. It represents the posrt so well. Is that what you’re talking about?

by The Ruiner on Nov 15, 2011 1:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that is a great quote.

I do think Cain is a great man, very humble and well spoken, respectful, just an admirable person. They are both great ambassadors of the sport. What I meant by aura is difficult to properly explain, as it really is opinion when it comes down to it, but when I view some athletes, especially fighters, they seem to have an atmosphere around them of perhaps not destiny, but the potential. Ali is obviously the greatest example of this. I suppose a slang word to describe it appropriately would be swagger, not feigned but just there. Anderson has this, Jones does too. I thought GSP did but Nick Diaz is garnering himself an aura as well… One more note on Cain is that I see the potential in him to rise to the top again.

by theworldismine on Nov 15, 2011 3:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Cool, thanks for explaining that.

by The Ruiner on Nov 15, 2011 3:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Also, I have a slight feeling about Nick Diaz. I just think he won’t be intimidated by GSP the way other people have been. It will be interesting to see how it plays out anyway.

by The Ruiner on Nov 15, 2011 3:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah he's so charismatic and it seems to me, extremely motivated.

I know George is great, but your right Diaz won’t fight scared like a lot of people who fight George.

by theworldismine on Nov 15, 2011 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Junior is the man!! knew he'd win.

it’s only right that the heaviest most skilled striker is the man in the HW division, perfect style for a HW and he’s so fast and well rounded as a boxer that he can control the distance and use whatever punches needed to dictate his fights. Dana is an a-hole and shows signs of him being corrupted, you don’t wanna be emotional like that over results when you’re the boss, it’s already enough that they choose and match some fighters just to make more money in a certain market. It took Junior the longest and most wins out of all the hw’s to finally get the title, now that’s respect, he didn’t just beat Cain but the system that is Dana and the UFC!

RobDeezy88 , ps3! Tito Ortiz = God !

by RoBerto. on Nov 14, 2011 8:56 PM EST reply actions  

he didn’t just beat Cain but the system that is Dana and the UFC!

The UFC is happy Roberto 60 million fans were watching this fight in Brazil, Dana was just disappointed on the only fight on the biggest night of his life not living up to expectations.

"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn

by Puck Head on Nov 14, 2011 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

its like losing your virginity

shit isnt gonna go the way you planned, the girl or outcome of the fight could be ugly, but no matter what you still got off or in this case got the KO

by KCmmaBadBoy on Nov 14, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions  

A-fucking-MEN

NICK DIAZ.... champ early 2012

by 209stk on Nov 14, 2011 9:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Good thing you didn't sig bet homey :)

Now will you give JDS just a little credit?

Just a little bit.

by xMMAxTYSONxMMA on Nov 14, 2011 10:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

White needs to shut the fuck up

Why was he pissing all over his newly crowned heavy weight champion on national t.v? Calling him a one trick pony and going on and on about how he has no cardio? Last time I checked JDS has a brown belt in bjj. That’s at least 5 years of diligent work. They don’t just hand out brown belts. He came off looking like a fool and turned an exciting fight into a mockery. Stick to promoting

by Josh H. on Nov 14, 2011 9:37 PM EST reply actions  

That chump wouldn't have that title if TANK ABBOTT!!!! was still around

I have issued my statement. If Chael wins against Silva, im officially the coolest guy on Mania and have the coolest dvd collection. If he loses.....then I shall leave Mania for good....

by PrivateBox on Nov 14, 2011 9:53 PM EST reply actions  

not to nitpick, but...
Velasquez didn’t fail to impose his wrestling. He tried, but Dos Santos was just not having any of it.

that is failing to impose your wrestling

We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.

by magicmike on Nov 14, 2011 10:31 PM EST reply actions  

I wouldn’t say he failed to impose his wrestling I would say the fight lasted for a minute so he never got the chance too.

"They say it's lonely at the top but it isn't, I have all my family and friends up here with me."-letter19

by letter19 on Nov 14, 2011 10:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

tried to reply to you

but im an idiot…look below

We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.

by magicmike on Nov 14, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

by going for two takedowns

not getting one, and failing to keep JDS on the mat on the other, thats an attempt to impose his wrestling and a failure to do so

We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.

by magicmike on Nov 14, 2011 10:57 PM EST reply actions  

i cannot seem to find the reply button

when its the last comment of a thread…apologies

We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.

by magicmike on Nov 14, 2011 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

? what two takedown attempts

I remember he caught that weak attempt of a kick from jds

"They say it's lonely at the top but it isn't, I have all my family and friends up here with me."-letter19

by letter19 on Nov 14, 2011 11:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

that he attempted to take him down off of

thus, a takedown attempt

We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.

by magicmike on Nov 14, 2011 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

ok I don't remember another one you said two takedown attempts

But either way the fight only lasted 64 seconds can’t take much away from it..props to jds for that

"They say it's lonely at the top but it isn't, I have all my family and friends up here with me."-letter19

by letter19 on Nov 14, 2011 11:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

you might be right actually

i think i might actually be thinking of the carwin fight where JDS popped right back up…frankly there just wasnt enough time for two…my point still holds, its just not as strong…however, attempting any takedown and JDS just shaking it off shows that cain didnt impose his wrestling, though he did try, albeit weakly

We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.

by magicmike on Nov 14, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

but he didn't IMPOSE his wrestling

the leg was out there and he tried to grab it once half-heartedly. He was obviously content to stand rather than trying to get the fight to the ground.

by Andre on Nov 14, 2011 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

jds makes a good fighter but i dont see that belt lasting with him, for sure i got him to beat the winner of lesnar/reem. people are saying reem will give him a fight, which is just retarded beacuse reem will not last with this jds. jds is really damn good on the feet forget all that k-1 crap, people hype up alot of fighters by their acomplishments outside of mma and i dont understand that. who has reem beat that is really a top 10 heavyweight? let me rephase that who has he dominated that is a top 10 heavyweight? no one. he is just hype. poeple can hate me all they want but really reem as a ufc champ? come on that is just dumb. i see the belt being handed back and forth between jds and cain for awhile.

by zesotheclown on Nov 14, 2011 10:59 PM EST reply actions  

DOH

"He's got a great package... and an unusual one!" Joe Rogan (of Lyoto Machida)

by crizzy on Nov 14, 2011 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

overeem fighting jds would be a glorified kickboxing match..definetly wouldn't count overeem out of that!

"They say it's lonely at the top but it isn't, I have all my family and friends up here with me."-letter19

by letter19 on Nov 14, 2011 11:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

if it stays standing then its pretty much a K1 fight, which i hear overeem is a bit better than average at

considering the people he fights in k1 are training that constantly unlike overeem who has to train ground work and takedowns too.

by Egads on Nov 14, 2011 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

he got outstruck by werdum

im not sold

We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.

by magicmike on Nov 14, 2011 11:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Werdum threw a few punches then dropped to his back before Reem could even counter. I wouldn’t consider that outstriking. Werdum lost that decision precisely because he refused to engage. Another stinker like that and I can see Werdum being finished in the upper eschelon of MMA no matter what his world ranking is. No one wants to see that crap, lol.

"He's got a great package... and an unusual one!" Joe Rogan (of Lyoto Machida)

by crizzy on Nov 15, 2011 12:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you

Ray charles cud see that werdum didnt want to stand with him.. Jeez

by dragonassault on Nov 15, 2011 9:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

they're both most comfortable on their feet very low chance it goes to the ground unless somebody gets dropped!

"They say it's lonely at the top but it isn't, I have all my family and friends up here with me."-letter19

by letter19 on Nov 14, 2011 11:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

i got jds 100%!! overeem is over rated

by zesotheclown on Nov 15, 2011 12:09 AM EST reply actions  

100%? That may be a tad high bud.

"He's got a great package... and an unusual one!" Joe Rogan (of Lyoto Machida)

by crizzy on Nov 15, 2011 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Amen Sergio

JDS should get all the props for what he did right and really Dana disrespected him with his post fight comments just being about what Cain did wrong.

by sudnvictory on Nov 15, 2011 12:47 AM EST reply actions  

People are finally seeing what I saw 2 years ago.

Go back a year and a half ago, when I would make posts about Dana being a dick and not good for the sport, everyone and their grandmother would attack me.

Perhaps some people don’t have the gift that I have apparently been blessed with….it’s called judgement of character.

Here’s the deal:

Now that Zuffa is on the hook with a multimillion dollar Fox contract, it’s time for the fighters to play hardball.

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by dec3ptiKon_ on Nov 15, 2011 12:51 AM EST reply actions  

Are you talking union?

by The Ruiner on Nov 15, 2011 1:43 AM EST up reply actions  

perrrrty much.

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