Pacquiao vs Marquez 3 results: Did Juan Manuel Marquez get robbed?
by Geno Mrosko on Nov 13, 2011 5:30 AM EST
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Last night (Sat., Nov. 12, 2011) at the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada, two old foes renewed their rivalry when Manny Pacquiao stepped back in the ring against Juan Manuel Marquez.
12 rounds and 36 minutes of back and forth action later, it seemed as though a clear winner may not have been determined. Sure enough, the first judges scorecard read 114-114. A draw felt fitting, considering how hard Marquez battled, despite his declining speed and advanced age, and how much heart Pacquiao showed to fight through the adversity of battling a man who seemed to have his number.
Then the final two scores were read: 115-113 and 116-112, both in favor of "Pacman." The fighting pride of the Philippines and arguably the pound-for-pound greatest in the world had done it again.
Or had he?
Immediately after the decision was read and Pacquiao declared the winner, social media sites lit up like a Christmas tree. An overwhelming amount of support was shown for Marquez, who was visibly distraught at the decision and even later said he would contemplate retirement.
A pair of mixed martial arts fighters, Dan Henderson and Miguel Torres, clearly expressed their collective displeasure, the latter far more aggressively than the former.
First, Henderson:
"Boxing is disgusting. Marquez was absolutely robbed."
Then, the far more animated and emotional Torres:
"Never witnessed a worst robbery in all my life & Bob Arum you can suck my brown (expletive). Tonight boxing died for me."
In fairness, plenty of pundits and fans believed Pacquiao was the rightful winner and the judges scored the fight correctly. However, the Marquez supporters were far more vocal in their displeasure. There seems to be a general consensus among them that it was more important to preserve a potential Pacquiao vs. Floyd Mayweather fight than award Marquez his rightful victory last night.
There are also more than a few who feel as though it was such a close fight that it literally could have gone either way. A score for Pacquiao would have been good but a score for Marquez would have been as well.
That brings me to you, Maniacs. Surely you caught the fight (who didn't?) and have drawn your own conclusions. Now it's your turn to weigh in. Cast your vote in our poll (after the jump) and leave a comment explaining your decision.
For complete results and recap of the Pacquiao vs. Marquez fight, as well as all the other action on the card from Las Vegas, click here and here.
Did you think Marquez got robbed? Or was "Pacman" the winner?
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Dead because if this was MMA Floyd and Manny would have fought 3 times already…Pac barely won though
by Robert(1) on Nov 13, 2011 6:28 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Why is Pacquiao the bad guy?
Pacquiao did not keep scores. It was the judges who favoured him for throwing more punches, whether they land or not. Why in the world did Marquez limited his punches in the 12th round? Oh yeah, that’s right. He followed his trainer, Nacho Beristain’s advise that he is winning . . . BEFORE THE FIGHT IS EVEN OVER!
marquez fans said the same thing last 2 fights
Juan didn’t get jacked up but he simply didn’t take over the fight at many points. They both pitter pattered roughly for 12 rounds, a very aggressive sparring match. Manny was bouncing from bell to bell extending/contracting his little arms enough to claim a legit defense.
by talkfight on Nov 13, 2011 7:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Who hit the canvass?
Of the three Pacquiao-Marquez fight, who among them hit the floor? MARQUEZ! REGARDLESS of what everyone is saying, he did NOT need to knockout Pacquiao to win the fight! He should NOT have been conservative of his punches in the 12th round. Pacquiao, may have been “punching air”, but this is all what judges see. Marquez should know that better than anyone!
I swore off boxing after the last Mayweather fight
Sorry, just don’t care.
"He's got a great package... and an unusual one!" Joe Rogan (of Lyoto Machida)
the best result for the pacman/floyd fight!
a bad performance by manny was the only way floyd would take this fight.Same way he watched Hatton struggle with Collazo at 147 before he took that fight knowing damn well Hatton was better at 140.This fight will defo go ahead now,cant wait!
"ever heard of a tune up? tee hee hee hee
"ah hee hee hee ever heard of a ritual killing? tee hee hee hee"
"i dont get it"
"you gnaw on her face in public like that again and you'll be one tee hee hee hee"
Haha, this went through my head as well.
What if Pacman and his team just made it look like they were struggling in order for Floyd to feel confident enough to lace em up?
Stupid, I know, but it just crossed my mind.
DONT BE SCARED GSP......DIAZ IS THE GOAT
Didn't watch the fight
Exactly the reason why. The sport is a joke.
by HimLong on Nov 13, 2011 8:23 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I haven’t yet seen the fight, but I was catching pbp and at the end of it the guy did make a somewhat possible rationale for why people would think Manny didn’t win the fight even if he did. Basically he said that people expected it to be a one sided domination and when instead it was a back and forth war they ended up thinking that Marquez immediately was doing better. Simply due to the fact that he was holding his own when most people expected this trilogy to end with Pacman showing his dominance. I could see that possible affecting the viewpoints of people, but then again I haven’t seen the fight yet either.
A conspiracy theory I heard was that Manny purposefully was holding back in a attempt to make himself look worse. That he doesn’t think Floyd wants to fight him unless he is on the decline so he did just enough to win in hopes of snagging the pay day fight. I don’t believe this myself, but again there is a bit of logic in it as crazy as that logic is.
by Empty Thoughts on Nov 13, 2011 10:17 AM EST reply actions
why his coach thought he'd win
i was lucky enough to watch the fight 2x – live screening and the delayed telecast and here’s what i noticed as a fighter in martial arts myself is that marquez was busy with his defense vs his offense. he was busy running around the ring. also, in close contact, he was clinching very low – so low to avoid impact from manny’s punches. there were also times that he pretended he’s tripping off as a defense. very sly moves and perhaps one of the reasons why his jmm’s coach “forecasted” that jmm would win is because they have pre-meditated before that there’s no way they could evade manny at level so they had to go-low. that’s called measuring and distancing.. the two mma people who commented knows a single jackshit about that their saying.
as what others have said, put the games in slo-mo or watch the game again. you can see that it’s a psywar that marquez and his coach displayed. as far as effective punches are concerned, you may want to take a look at who’s face is damaged the most (of course there are body hits) which shows whose punches went through effectively. it seemed that marquez owned the fight because he hurled in a lot of punches that didn’t even went through.
by twangdoodles on Nov 13, 2011 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
BULLSHIT
MARQUEZ IS A BETTER FIGHTER THEN MANNY, HE HAS PROVED IT SEVERAL TIMES ALREADY, BUT YOU YANKS HATE MEXICANS CLEARLY, IF IT WASNT FOR MARQUEZ SINCE THE BEGINING MARQUEZ WILL HAVE THAT FAME, AND THE CHEATER WAS FLOYD WITH THE WEIGHT AGAINS MARQUEZ, IF NOT MARQUEZ WOULD IT BEATED HIM ALSO.
Yawn.....
Chael Sonnen: Undisputed Middleweight Champion, people’s Champion, pound for pound Champion, marketing genius and mma guru. This man DEFEATED Anderson Silva for four rounds before he allowed the Spider to keep his piece of tin for a few more months and gifted him the win. Everyone knows Anderson Silva can’t fight with a great wrestler like my man Chael Sonnen. Silva is satisfied with beating a Math teachers and one-legged Canadian to pad his record. Why do you think he wants a superfight with Georges "I’m faking a leg injury so that I don’t lose my title to Nick Diaz" St. Pierre? GSP can’t run no more because he’s on one leg and Diaz is coming from the 209 for that UFC belt.Don’t be scared, homie!
Didn't see the fight (after the suckerpunch incident I'm wary about buying boxing PPVs) but from what I've gathered JMM yet again pushed Pacman to the limit
Even against a well past his prime JMM Pacman couldn’t achieve the clear win over him. I don’t know whether it was a robbery or not but one thing everyone can agree on is that JMM is stylistically a bad match-up for Manny.
Pity that once again there’s negativity surrounding a big boxing fight and all the talk is yet again on the protracted Manny-Mayweather fight that’ll never happen but if this is the end for Marquez then at least the legend went on top after giving his rival and arguably the best P4P boxer in the world the fight of his life yet again.
Lance Storm is the most innovative wrestler to ever lace up a pair of boots, what a fool I was to pick against him, I will now have to live with the fact that I am forever raped by the Cloverleaf.
pacman won the fight. just because a guy can hang in there with him doesn't mean he deserves the win
paquiou was the agressor and outlanded him. marquez’s counterpunching style always gave him a clean shot at the end of any engagement, but paquiou was usually landing two more. plus, paquiou is so fast i didn’t see alot of his hits until it was slowed down.
by Conan the Barbarian on Nov 13, 2011 11:03 AM EST reply actions
Pac hit more air. He got agressive rushed into punches.
He got countered crazy. He threw fast agressive combos that didn’t land but it looked cool to the 163 year old senile judges and wowed his fans who goes nuts when he tied his shoes. Pac didn’t outland shit he got points for missing and hitting gloves. Pac only won 4 rounds I would say it was JMM 116-112 give Pac the the 12th (I didn’t) you still got JMM 115-113. I bet on Pac too. I really wanted Pac to win. No bullshit, I swear on my kids I told the those that I bet against to keep their money.
by djkrazykill on Nov 13, 2011 11:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i thought it could have gone either way, but watching it in full speed it did look like manny hit air whe in fact he was landing.you just had to slow it down.
it was close. marquez just has the style to give manny fits.
by Conan the Barbarian on Nov 13, 2011 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Heard that Pacquiao didn't do enough to win,
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War Edgar.
paq won barely
but commentators seemed very bias the whole fight all over mannys nuts. no way they would jeopardize a superfight
Marquez lost.
You don’t win a fight just for “hanging in there” or for surviving. Manny threw over 100 more punches and connected with more. Add that to the fact that Marquez was backing up for most of the fight and it’s easy to determine who the aggressor was. Close fight but a clear victory for the pacman.
JMM didn't "just hang in there" he was popping Manny all night. Manny looked confused and frustrated.
Roach t told him he needed a knock out. He was moving forward and getting countered damn near at will. But he would throw a lightning fast combo that either hit the air,gloves, or the ropes. Manny fans a.k.a the commentators, would start screaming. And Bob Arum employees a.k.a. the “judges” gave him credit for “looking really cool” He was moving forward and lunging his face and ribs into JMM’s gloves. When JMM blocked a shot Manny still got the point for landing. JMM didn’t just hang in there, he out boxed Manny. And this is coming from a Manny fan who bet on him. I called it a push and wouldn’t except money from anybody because I felt like I would be robbing them.
by djkrazykill on Nov 13, 2011 11:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
champion is more aggressive than the challenger
all throughout the fight, it was pacquiao who is the aggressor and that is the champions attitude.. not like marquez who just dance around and waiting for pacquiao. remember, pacquiao gave marquez 4 knockdowns prior to this fight and no can change that.. the judges are right to gave that credit for pacquiao. you may outboxed a boxer but you cannot outboxed a GOD GIVEN TALENT..
AGRESSOR MY ASS
YOU REALLY DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT BOXING YOU IDIOT, MARQUEZ WON AS SIMPLE AS THAT, FUCK YOU AND VEGAS.
And you know much of it?
I’m a filipino, and i myself is having a hard time reasoning out why such decision was made. But witlessly dumping your emotions like that is such a shame. Criticize well my friend.
haha You MAD BRO? LOL..
you’re the one who doesn’t know shit about boxing..
Explain why?
Did Marquez even Knocked Out Pacman at least once? No, right?
As a general rule in boxing, the man who owns the belt or a champion must be knocked down in order for the challenger to win like Pacman did on their 2nd fight. Do you guys even observed this? I pretty much agree if you say a Draw, but, Marquez should won the fight..? NOT. Observe guys. Observe.
draw?
Hmmm.. major Pacquiao fan here but let’s just say by the end I was praying that the judges would spare Pacman by declaring a draw.
Hmmm.. major Pacquiao fan here but let’s just say by the end I was praying that the judges would spare Pacman by declaring a draw.I don’t know about you guys but Pacquiao’s awesomely epic new entrance song was the highlight of the night for me. Pure comedy gold :-p
Hmmm.. major Pacquiao fan here but let’s just say by the end I was praying that the judges would spare Pacman by declaring a draw.I don’t know about you guys but Pacquiao’s awesomely epic new entrance song was the highlight of the night for me. Pure comedy gold :-phttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaPBcwl8dTM
Spoken Like A True Marquez Fan
I cannot believe what a bunch of CRYBABIES Juan Manuel Marquez’s fans are! BOOHOO! We got robbed of the crown! If any of you have been truly watching the fight, IT WAS A VERY CLOSE FIGHT! I was very surprised it did not end with another DRAW! If anyone is to blame for the fight, it should be Marquez’s trainer, Nacho Beristain. I mean, WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WILL TELL HIS PRIZE FIGHTER THAT HE WON THE FIGHT BEFORE THE FIGHT IS EVEN OVER? Has he been watching the fight, or was he sleeping or throughout? IT IS BEYOND STUPID TO THINK THIS WAY! Emanuel Steward couldn’t have said any better, “You don’t win Championship. You take it!” Marquez limited his punches in the 12th round under the advise of his trainer. It cost him the fight. Marquez acted like he didn’t want the championship. He should have known better.
by J_Howlett on Nov 13, 2011 6:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
FUCK YOU
MARQUEZ WON AGAIN, IS NOT CRYING IS FUCKING TRUE, COME UP IN THE RING WITH ME, SO I CAN MAKE YOU CRY LIKE A LITTLE BITCH AS MANNY DID WHEN HE LOST,AS HE KNEW IT BEFORE HIS GIRLFRIEND ARUM HELP THEM OUT SO FUCK YOU BITCH, AHAHAHHAHA
Who cares what Dan Henderson and Miguel Torres think?
Who cares what Dan Henderson and Miguel Torres think? If the truly are Mixed-Martial Arts fighters, they should know better that power punches do NOT win you fights! It’s by knocking out your opponent. Since no one has hit the canvass, it was decided by a unanimous decision, which favoured Manny Pacquiao. I mean, why in the world would you blame the promoter, Bob Arum and/or the judges? If you want to blame someone, it should be Juan Manuel Marquez’s trainer, Nacho Beristain. He told his prize fighter that he is winning BEFORE THE FIGHT IS EVEN OVER! If you ask me, it is EXCEEDINGLY STUPID! I guess, he must have been sleeping throughout the fight! He must have missed the two fighters have been exchanging punches all throughout the fight!
just a comment...
i think manny pacquiao won the fight against juan manuel marquez technically….in terms of shots landed….marquez lacked in aggressiveness which he should did from the 1st round until the final round as a challenger if he really want to prove something…
Manny did the job
….and he did it well, and he won.As simple as that.
The Decision is just Fair.
Marquez can’t win over Manny Pacquiao bcoz he still lack of power to overwhelm pacman. The judges just make the result fair beside the fight is not good so far. Pacman is the depending champion and Marquez is only a challenger of this fight, so pacman has its advantage. but marquez did’nt show enough good and power punches to show to the people that he is deserving to win over pacman. Marquez hit pacquiao and Pacquiao hit marquez, but the difference is, Marquez is only a challenger and he was always chase by pacquiao. if Marquez is so determine to win the fight he should be more aggressive not being chase by his opponent and Marquez could’nt even knock pacman.Then he think he is the winner?that’s stupid.
Good one Bobong
I really agree what BobOng says. In Addition in the last 4 rounds, Manuel Marquez corner tells him that your winning the fight ,thats why marquez makes a “play safe” but the thing that was said to him it was the opposite. Most of Pacman power punches are in the body R-33 L-18 while marquez only got R-9 L-20 enough to put a difference. If you just watch the fight without reviewing or analyzing, you will not see how Pacman evades MArquez Punches. Yes Marquez Caught Pacman with his right straight “Power Punches” but the thing is, did he landed his punches still with power? Right Jab of manny pacman makes Marquez right eye swollen.
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JMM wasn't robbed
…he was not just aggressive enough to meet Pac head on, kept backing off and have kept his distance foo often….don’t blame the judges for seeing that…yes, he did land some punches and i thought he was on top when i read tweets on the on-going game. But seeing the delayed telecast, evidently the Pac did more…you’ve just got to see it … and see it in slo-mo…he is just too fast for our naked eyes!
HATERS!!!
REVIEW THE FIGHT 3 TIMES. AND YOU WILL SEE EACH ROUND HOW MANY PACMAN LANDED POWER PUNCHES >:) IF YOU STILL CANT SEE YOU.. YOURE JUST A DIE HARD FAN OF MARQUEZ.
PACMAN WON
It was clear from watching the replays that Pacman threw more punches, landed more punches, and more power punches. Marquez’s hits were just more noticeable because he was a counter puncher. Whenever Pacquiao hits, he hits fast, with Marquez staying in one spot. So all you can really see moving is Pacquiao. But whenever Marquez counter punches, he literally stops Pacquiao and each time that happens, for a second, both fighters pause. That’s why it looked like Marquez had more punches in. FOR EVERY 2 PUNCHES PACMAN LANDED, MARQUEZ COUNTERED WITH ONE. PACMAN IS JUST TOO FAST TO NOTICE HIM LANDING THEM PUNCHES. and besides, Marquez was the challenger, he was supposed to be the one attacking but he didn’t. Pacman had no choice but to be aggressive and that’s what imprssed the judges.
Marquez Foot Stopper Trick
marquez did the foot stopper trick. Pacman truly deserves to win.Please watch:
MARQUEZ GOT ROBBED BIG TIME
HELL YEAH, MARQUEZ GOT FUCKING ROBBED BIG TIME AGAIN, HE IS A BETTER FIGHTER THEN MANNY AND MAYWHEATER PEOPLE FORGET THE CHEATED ON THE WEIGHT AND THAT MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE, MARQUEZ WILL ALWAYS BE A BETTER FIGHTER THEN THOSE TWO, FUCK YOU VEGAS AND BOB RACIST FUCKER ARUM
FOOT TRICK BULL SHIT
AND FOR ALL YOU IDIOTS WHO ARE SAYING THIS SHIT, FUCKING IDIOTS AS A PREVIOUS BOXER, EVERYBODY DOES THAT AND IS NOT A TRICK IDIOT, ITS COMMON AND DOESNT MEAN SHIT, DUMM ASS, MARQUEZ GOT ROBBED, AS A BOXER I KNOW THAT YOU ARE JUST A FUCKING DUMB ASS, WHO HAS NEVER BEEN IN THE RING LIKE ME A REAL MEN, WHO KNOW MANNY LOST BIG TIME, YOU FUCKING IDIOTS WHO SAY OTHERWISE. FUCK YOU , AND KNOW I AM NOT MEXICAN, I AM AUSTRALIAN, AND WE KNOW THE FUCKIN TRUE WHE WE SEE IT YOU YANK.
eii dumbass.
lol he didn’t got robbed. they reviewed everyround.. manny is too fast that’s why you can’t see his punches.. and marquez, you could see his counter. like manny throws four. marquez throws 2 back.. that’s why ya’ll beaners think marquez won.. idiot
Robbed?
I think it was a good fight. I think they matched up well and stylistically, a counter puncher will always get a number of good shots on an aggressive fighter.
What I did not see, was an overwhelming or even a convincing win from JMM. Excellent give and take from both fighters and JMM did manage to not get knocked down multiple times. The man has tremendous heart and that cannot be denied. That said, I felt JMM performed better in his previous fights honestly. In this fight I didn’t see Manny ever in real danger, but JMM did manage to stumble him a couple of times previously.
The foot stepping is curious, I have seen it before, don’t get me wrong I did not notice it so prevalently in the first 2 fights. Odd that outside foot position was such a highlight in the Face Off series with Kellerman.
Finally, it is disheartening to lose when you have trained and put your heart into it as JMM did. I think he will come to terms with what happened and will find renewed vigor as a fighter and will continue to be a national hero. As for the fight with Pacquiao, the challenger must convincingly defeat the champ, hanging with him for 12 rounds and trading shots is not enough. Don’t be surprised for PacMan / JMM 4. The one thing I can agree with across the board is, Bob Arum consistently damages the sport of boxing everytime he speaks.
LOL.. YOU GUYS ARE JUST USED TO MANNY DOMINATING HIS OPPONENT SO BAD
LOL.. YOU GUYS ARE JUST USED TO MANNY DOMINATING HIS OPPONENT SO BAD.. AND GUYS WTF?.. LOL IN ORDER TO BEAT A CHAMP.. YOU HAVE TO DOMINATE HIM EVERY ROUND OR KNOCK HIM OUT.. MARQUEZ DIDN;T DO ANY OF THAT.. LOL.. SEARCH IT IF YOU DOn’T BELIEVE Me.. LOL.. MARQUEZ’S A HARD LOSER .. SINCE THE BEGINNING .. AND WHY COMPLAIN TO PACQUIAO? LOL IS HE AN OFFICIAL? HE’S JUST A FIGHTER TOO IDIOTS..
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