Dana White: If there was a gay fighter in UFC, I wish he would come out
by Jesse Holland on Oct 28, 2011 9:26 AM EDT
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If you're gay and you fight in the UFC, Dana White doesn't care.
In fact, the promotion president was kind of hoping you would come out of the closet. Just don't expect to be Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira's grappling partner if you do.
That's because "Minotauro" told UOL Esporte he won't train with gay fighters, because he doesn't want to get felt up by another man if they decide to take advantage of the situation.
Big Nog's sentiment came under fire from the Las Vegas chapter of the Culinary Union, who accused Zuffa of being an anti-gay organization.
White told reporters during yesterday's UFC 137 press conference (via USA Today) that not only is his fight promoton not anti-gay, but that he wants any gay fighters under his employ to make their presence known.
"The thing that Nogueira said down in Brazil, you know? And I'll tell you right now, if there was a gay fighter in UFC, I wish he would come out. I could care less if there's a gay fighter in the UFC. There probably is and there's probably more than one. I mean, it's 2012. Give me a break. But you're going to have guys like Nogueira who come from Brazil, who's got that macho, Latino -- doesn't want to roll with a gay guy. People are going to say stuff like this. But that's the best answer I can give you is, give me a (freaking) break and be honest. Come on. We're all human beings. We all make mistakes sometimes. It doesn't mean that the UFC is bad and we're unfit for children and all this other stuff. Tell you what: Out of the 375 guys, we've got a few lunatics; some guys that are nutty; and then we've got 300 and something that are incredible, awesome human beings who are inspirational to kids and adults and whoever else is a human being."
This is the UFC in 2012. And like White said, they have guys that are lunatics, nutty and awesome. And he's probably got some that are gay, too.
But is coming out of the closet really the best idea, considering the demographic mixed martial arts appeals to? And peer acceptance could be difficult, Nogueira's comments aside, because of the cliques that exist in training camps, the front office and beyond.
Anyone favor a don't ask, don't tell policy? Or is this one stone better left unturned?
Can of worms, you are officially opened.
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by Jesse Holland on Oct 28, 2011 9:27 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
It honestly wouldn't surprise me if he was
but he is still the man and isn’t getting beat anytime soon
love to watch wand, florian, lauzon, gsp, cain, machida, dos anjos
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by Burlzilla129 on Oct 28, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Nick Ring is listening.
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by Hank_Mardukas on Oct 28, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
If boxing is a science then MMA is astrophysics.
by Hank_Mardukas on Oct 28, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
how is someone incredibly gay?
you either are or aren’t.
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1. To a great degree; extremely;
There are degrees of flamboyancy and showing. His is incredibly high.
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by ViolentMike on Oct 28, 2011 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
gay is a verb as much as a noun. it is how flamoyant you are. there really is no use for a flamboyant gaye
I wrote a paper in college about the dysfunctional psychosis of your various tranny/ bi/ tri/ gay and lesbian gender roles. It basically is a coping mechanism for people who cant fit normal societal gender roles.
It ultimately is nurtured. It is actually impossible to be nature because any associated genes would not be passed on at a high enough frequency. Two dudes can’t make a baby. I could give multiple examples of how gays are nurtured.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 28, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
You're saying homosexuality is a coping mechanism?
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Or being flamboyant about it?
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
homosexuality itself is a coping mechanism. flamboyance or lack of it is how the individual tries to fill their gender identity in their new community.
Flamboyant behavior is learned. Some gay folks do it, some don’t, it has more to do with fitting into the gay community and satisfying gender roles than anything else.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 28, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't agree with that, everyone went to school with that kid who was flamboyant well before he could have known anything about his sexuality.
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Haha
But that was the kid with the lesbian moms. U know, when you went to their house to play sum ball in the summertime, he wud come out with a turtleneck and a scarf on and his mom and her ‘friend’ thought he looked adorable..
by dragonassault on Oct 28, 2011 2:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It was just sort of 'bred' into him..
Just wasnt enough testosterone around the house for him growing up..It was a choice
by dragonassault on Oct 28, 2011 2:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If it's bred into you then you don't have choice.
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Let me rephrase that..
He has a choice, but the influence was to dominant. Im not being insensitive im actually talking about someone i know, (wifes nephew) and we love this kid to death but trust me, in this case it was a ‘choice’. He kinda learned it from them and just rolled with it. They didnt ‘teach him’ to be gay, but just being around them all his life. This kid also gets more kat than i ever will, he likes it both therefore it is a choice in this case..
by dragonassault on Oct 28, 2011 3:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm confused
I was talking about kids who were effeminate and came out as gay, it sounds like you’re talking about a straight kid who is effeminate?
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Well i mean he is def a 'bi-sexual'
But that is still ‘gay’ by definition unless im misinformed
by dragonassault on Oct 28, 2011 3:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't believe they are the same thing.
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
But yeah
He was always ‘effiminant’ and came out gay (bi) like you were saying but likes to bang a girl every now and then..
by dragonassault on Oct 28, 2011 3:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
-1
Ur study must be incredibly bias for three reasons.
1) they have located the gay gene in the DNA sequence,
2) saying that being homosexual is a coping mechanism leads me to believe that you are only studying the psychosis of recent gays. What about the gays many years ago who were tortured and couldn’t even come out about it due to fear of their life. What were they coping with,
3) science has even proven that animals are gay
by UltimateHuggingChampionship on Oct 28, 2011 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
science has even proven that animals are gay
if that true then it’s ok to sleep with your sister and mother,, because cats do that too and they have kids, well, we are human beings, I don’t care if you are gay or not,, but all what Conan the Barbarian said was the truth, it’s your choice of being gay who cares it’s your life you can be whatever you want to be, but you don’t have the right to make us believe it’s a natural because it’s not, it is just your own decision
Have you ever met any gay people?
The only way it’s a choice is if you choose to live a sham existence and pretend to be straight. You know, have a wife and kids and secretly be gay. All this talk about what is natural is beside the point, obviously being homosexual will not make procreating any easier for you. The fact is that it is a consensual relationship between adults whether you think it’s “natural” is of little relevance. Equating gays to incestuous relationships, relations with animals or inanimate objects is offensive and shows little empathy.
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Man if you've got a wife and kids and are gay
then you’ve definately made the ‘wrong choice’ in your life. Bring kids into the mix then you must abandon the whole ‘gay idea’ because its too late for you to be what you wanna be. Gotta think of the kids now above all..
by dragonassault on Oct 28, 2011 4:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I personally know of three families
in which the parents divorced after a “coming out”. In all three there were children involved.
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It's not a "Gay idea" it's who they are, it was a "straight idea"
Like that freaky Bachman dude who prays the gay out of people.
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
What if
youre in a gay relationship but youre really not gay but just pretending to be gay but youre really straight? You never see that do you..so what youre saying that its ok to be a serial killer because thats not a choice they made, they were just born to be a serial killer.
by dragonassault on Oct 29, 2011 1:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gay=serial killer?
Yeah, and anti-gays think their views are “just an opinion” and actually worthy of being taken seriously. Right.
Can u read?
Or do u only read, see, and hear what u want to? I am not anti gay if youve been reading, i was makin a point to someone else and apparently it was too deep for you
by dragonassault on Oct 29, 2011 2:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah
I saw your point. Your point was that being gay is wrong regardless of it’s a choice or not.
Thanks for playing.
Agreed
I dont believe a person is just born ‘that way’, i believe its a choice kinda like when i wake up and decide what color shirt to wear, i choose not to wear the ‘pink’ shirt.. Not that theres anything wrong with it.. I make bad decisions almost daily and i think im pretty cool, different strokes i guess (no pun intended)
by dragonassault on Oct 28, 2011 3:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
When did you choose to be straight?
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Sexual orientation is not a choice
Have you ever seen a celebrity that everyone hails as the hottest woman alive, and you just don’t get why everyone thinks she’s so great? Everybody has their own tastes and you have no control over who falls under those tastes. Dating would be a shitload easier if you could just decide exactly who you find attractive because the first time any woman shows interest, fuck it, just decide to be attracted to her. You can’t though, because attraction isn’t a switch you can willingly flip. If you can’t manually decide to be attracted/not attracted to specific women, why is it gay people can magically decide “well, I’m going to be attracted to penises now”?
Also, while you don’t have to agree it’s right, the fact it occurs in many different species does show it to be a natural occurrence. Now, it’s up to society to decide if something natural is right. For example, society on the whole views murder as unacceptable (or, in your example, incest as immoral.) Society on the whole no longer views homosexuality as wrong. It’s a natural orientation across many different species, and one which the majority of people don’t have a problem with.
Now, you’re more than free to judge people for being gay (just as others are more than free to judge you in turn for your judgments) but just outright stating as fact “gay is immoral and a choice,” is wrong on two counts.
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Lmfao gets some facts u fucking retard
Science has proven it is genetic hence u don’t have a choice, much like the sex u are, how tall u are. God ur dumb
by UltimateHuggingChampionship on Oct 28, 2011 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahh but it is you who is the dumbass..
Theres no such thing as a ‘gay gene’. Youre just making shit up ya fukin mongoloid!! Go sit on it and twirl bitch!!
by dragonassault on Oct 29, 2011 11:02 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If you didn't care
Then you wouldn’t be against it and you would realize it is natural to be gay.
BTW, unless you yourself have chosen to not be gay, how would you know being gay is a choice?
Because there have been situations and offers on the table and unlike you, i chose hell no
by dragonassault on Oct 29, 2011 3:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So that makes you bisexual. 100% straight men don't have another option on the table.
Glad you admitted it. Now you should get the rest of your anti-gay friends who call homosexuality a choice to do the same.
If thats what i was id proudly admit it. Unfortunately for you im not that way. I was saying there were afew gay guys trying to hook it up with me and homie dont play that. Get e grip, i see what youre trying to pull and its pretty fukin lame gee
by dragonassault on Oct 29, 2011 5:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lol ur sayin thats its not ur choice and thats not what you choose?
Man like i said, i got no prob with it but dont say that you dont choose it cuz ya do choose it. If i give you a quarter will you go away now?
by dragonassault on Oct 29, 2011 5:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Giraffes are notorious for exhibiting gay behavior
Also, Greece and Rome of the BC era normally practiced homosexuality.
by War Forrest on Oct 28, 2011 4:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Conan,
So are u saying that women can’t be gay and can’t even carry the gene.
by UltimateHuggingChampionship on Oct 28, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
And
Dennis Hallman’s speedo…
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by 10thDegreeWhiteBelt on Oct 28, 2011 1:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
does this mean ANS will finally put his real name out there?
I hate alot of whites and I hate alot of blacks, I hate pooping in public places, but we all hate that.
by stinky~fingers on Oct 28, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It is out there. You just are too tunnel visioned to see it :)
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by AintNoSunshine on Oct 28, 2011 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I sit and try to figure it out every once in a while, but I got nothing.
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
you don't know who ANS is?
damn, everyone knows.
i have known for a while
I hate alot of whites and I hate alot of blacks, I hate pooping in public places, but we all hate that.
by stinky~fingers on Oct 29, 2011 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions
If a gay fighter came out either everyone would want to fight him or no one would.
But damn sure no one would want to lose to one. Not being insensitive but that would suck.
I can't remember his name but I heard Duane Ludwig fought and openly gay MMA fighter in Cage Rage or something.
A black if that helps jog anyones memory.l
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn't he win by 2nd Round Hate Crime?
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by ViolentMike on Oct 28, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you're thinking of
Shad Smith, who fought Bang at KOTC 4. He’s the only openly gay fighter I know of.
by writebastard on Oct 28, 2011 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that's right, I read about him in a seanbaby article.
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats ridiculous. If fighters are that insecure I dont know what to say but I never have thought of someones sexual preference before a fight
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by AintNoSunshine on Oct 28, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
a friend of mine fights
mainly amateur, mainly stand-up fighting.
He’s gay, not out. I’m the only one of his training partners who knows. Enough people make it difficult for him to prefer to keep it private.
It’s his choice, but to be honest, I don’t care, and don’t imagine many people would. Once someone has me in the clinch, my concern is creating space and either reversing or getting out. If I’m thinking about whether he has wood, I’m half way to losing the fight.
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by Armando Baez on Oct 28, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
laying down the law
but the people who would pull something probably dont deserve to be here anyway…im so apathetic towards the gay thing; if a gay fighter came out i really wouldnt care, and i dont know why other people would either, it really doesnt matter…hes not hitting on you, hes trying to beat the shit out of you
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Yep
+1
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by Kalejohncox on Oct 28, 2011 9:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm kinda surprised you felt we needed the warning Jesse.
But is coming out of the closet really the best idea, considering the demographic mixed martial arts appeals to?
That kinda surprises me as well, isn’t that why Nick “The Promise” Ring is so popular because everyone thinks he’s gay? I mean the guy isn’t lighting the cage on fire every time he competes ya know?
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly what I was going to point out
I think that’s the only reason he was on the show and got so much face time
He's done pretty well for himself in the UFC so I wouldn't go that far.
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
warning? get cute? being a jerk off?
Grow the fuck up post police. there’s a time and place to be politically correct and also a fundamental right and freedom of choice. Some underground 2-bit mma site is by design nature and purpose a place of uncensored expression. That was a jerk off statement. Don’t make the post or read the comments if you want herd the collective responses of strangers on and interpersonal and disconnected social substrait. What a way to ruin a decent news report
by talkfight on Oct 28, 2011 11:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Some underground 2-bit mma site
Mad?
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Oct 28, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah!
Mania doesnt need the culinary union on their asses too.. Those chef bastards
by dragonassault on Oct 28, 2011 2:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just asking, Jesse, why is this topic so "tender" (excuse the pun)
I mean, people go off on Mexicans, Blacks, Rednecks, Jesus Freaks, Commie Hippies and so on. Don’t misunderstand, I don’t care much for any arbitrary nonsense, but what exactly do you mean?
Personally, I don’t care. I’m a Christian, so I have beliefs based on those principles. However, those are MY principles. I’m also a freedom loving American, and would not want someone’s personal life to affect their ability to make a living as a fighter. I also don’t want the UFC to go all “Gay pride in your face” on me either.
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Did Dana "tell" or was he "asked"
With a lot of “Dana Says” reports thats a big difference.
Either way good position for him to take.
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BUT!!!?!?!
Isnt Nick RIng……
Or was I just mistaken.
I like him as a fighter still. (I am pretty sure someone will post the “I know you didnt” gif)
lol
"Or was it "Oh no you didn't"
forgot the actual words
It was that...
The lispy speaking, the handlebar moustache etc etc etc
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I think he's hilarious actually,
his interview with Helwani is gold on fighting Tim Boestch:
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Funny shit.
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That's good shit.
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Ha u beat me 2 it
That dude sounds gay my girl thinks he is gay
by chicken845 on Oct 28, 2011 10:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
"Out of the 375 guys, we've got a few lunatics; some guys that are nutty"
no different than any other company.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
much like other professional sports this is still a very taboo subject
as happy i am to hear Dana say that he wishes they would come out it just isn’t for him to outwardly express his desires. i’m sure i’ll get flack for saying that but the truth is the fighters need to open these doors w/out the “influence” of the boss.
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I think nogs comments were immature and childish
If he’s not comfortable with his sexuality to train with a gay guy then he has some issues of his own to sort out
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by Kalejohncox on Oct 28, 2011 9:40 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
agreed
or at least have the wherewithal to keep his mouth shut about the subject. being a professional and being honest are not mutually inclusive.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 28, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
Couldn’t agree more
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by Kalejohncox on Oct 28, 2011 9:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+2
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
You guys leave Big Nog alone.
Listen, guys. You can take all these guys with their eighth education and their gold teeth trying to sit around and break down a fight. This is the most unsophisticated and un-well-thoughtout thing you need to do in life. Two half-naked men are gonna get in a steel cage and fight for the applause of a drunken rowdy crowd in Houston, Texas, on a Saturday night. We don't need to plan for this.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Oct 28, 2011 10:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That is the politically correct way of looking at it but...
How many people would enjoy rolling with Gina Carano?
Would she have a right to feel uncomfortable with you nuzzling your face in her chest?
Learn like you'll live forever, live like you'll die tomorrow.
Or maybe that's his preference
And it should be respected just like everyone elses. It’s not like hes shouting “death to faggots”. Just because he doesn’t like it doesn’t make it wrong. You don’t have to accept everything in the world just to make everyone happy.
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thank you. damn, the gays have really chopped the nuts off the modern straight male. bitches are scared to have an opinion.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 28, 2011 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions
he is totally allowed to have an opinion.
if he is unconcerned w/ any backlash it creates that is his prerogative, however, everyone is entitled to rip on him for outwardly expressing his opinion. that’s the rules, right? i know i have tons of opinions that are not popular. i, unlike Nog, choose to keep my mouth shut because dealing w/ the grief isn’t worth it. just pick your spots man.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 28, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
that attitude is part of the problem. why accept grief. when people attack, fight back.
The left is relentless, and the right is weak. It’s so bad that people can’t even state the obvious anymore. Of course straight dudes don’t like rolling with gays. There is also the very real higher disease rate to consider.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 28, 2011 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
There is also the very real higher disease rate to consider.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 28, 2011 7:43 AM PDT
you are a fucking idiot
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by ShivanTiger on Oct 28, 2011 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
im sorry if the facts dont mesh with your fantasy world.
The truth is that STD’s occurs in gay populations at a much higher rate than normal ones across every racial line. Facts make you smarter moron.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 28, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
was waiting for you
From the CDC website….He is grappling with them, not fucking them
How are STDs spread?
Gonorrhea and chlamydia are sexually transmitted by genital secretions, such as urethral secretions from the penis
Genital herpes and syphilis are transmitted primarily through skin-to-skin contact with sores/ulcers or infected skin that looks normal
HPV is transmitted through contact with infected genital skin or mucosal surfaces/secretions, such as the penis and anus
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by ShivanTiger on Oct 28, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
and on top of that
if you wanted to use HIV…that is something that any member of a gym, gay or straight, man or women, should divulge before getting on the mat
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by ShivanTiger on Oct 28, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
fighters have had to pull out of fights before for herpes, even happened on the ultimate fighter. aids is transmitted through blood. they get tested before fights, but not between the gyms and the reststops. :) thanks for playing.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 28, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
The way you state your argument makes me think that you believe gay and irresponsible are the same thing.
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
i believe most people, gay or straight spread aids without knowing they have it.i
Irresponsibility has nothing to do with it. The facts are the facts, gays carry a lot more std’s.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 28, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I believe the number one STD gays distribute now is HPV
Aids I believe is now effecting black women more than any other demo
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by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
White Europeans have a gene that really helps them not to catch Aids. Unfortunately , not everyone has this gene.
by p123 on Oct 28, 2011 11:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
is that gene called a condom?
or are you being serious?
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by ShivanTiger on Oct 28, 2011 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
No it’s actually a scientific fact. There’s an actual genetic difference between Whites from European descent and Blacks from African descent that plays a major role in whether or not you are more or less likely to catch Aids.
by p123 on Oct 28, 2011 11:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
interesting
I hadn’t heard of that before.
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by ShivanTiger on Oct 28, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Ted Talks. Yea I never heard of it either. Ted talks is awesome for all cutting edge science stuff. The guy who stated it was a Spanish guy he’s like short and fat bald but he’s awesome, best guy on there. Ted Talks is a must see for everyone.
The genetic variation has a name and everything , which I obviously forgot. Surprised no one has read me the riot act for being a racist for saying that nice to see people are not being overly dramatic here. On BE I probably would have been banned for that lol.
by p123 on Oct 28, 2011 12:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
oh the rest stops.....because that's where gays have sex right?
the first form i had to sign when joining my gym was an affidavit stating that the gym is not responsible for me if i get injured. the second was a contract stating that i have no communicable diseases. i’m fairly sure that this is common practise. if it’s not….join another gym.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 28, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
well, signing a paper doesnt cure you. i could see someo.e lying about having a disease.
I have no idea where the gays are having se, now. Probably at home.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 28, 2011 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
i like how you refer to gay people as "the gays"
i bet you are cute ; )
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 28, 2011 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Again irresponsible behavior isn't restricted to homosexuales.
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
i never said it was....... but statistically
Speaking it is a greater risk.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 28, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Being African is way more likely to get you infected with an STD than being homosexuale.
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by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
The ass membrane is very susceptible to disease. Gay people have the same rates as a girl who takes it up the butt regularly.
by p123 on Oct 28, 2011 11:43 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
or a straight guy who enjoys an occasional finger in the butt....
wait…what?
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 28, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Ive had that offered by my wife
and it was met with a resounding no. no fingers going in my ass…
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well at least she offered and didn't just goose you.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 28, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I actually know a couple of dudes who like that. That’s insane to me , I’m good on that but to each his own. I think your ok with a finger , it’s the penis that is the disease carrier I would assume but hey you never know.
by p123 on Oct 28, 2011 11:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I actually know a couple of dudes who like that.
Pro Tip: Those guys happen to be gay
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Oct 28, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Lol na they def aren’t gay, they bang girls all the time , might be bi sexual who knows. Either way your that banner guy from BE , ever heard the phrase , suck cock faggot?
by p123 on Oct 28, 2011 12:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I laughed
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by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
he threatened me before over there….
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Tickle it.
Dont penetrate it dammitt girl..
by dragonassault on Oct 28, 2011 4:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i am aware of that
which is why i posted this
that is something that any member of a gym, gay or straight, man or women, should divulge before getting on the mat
If a fighter pulled out of a fight due to Herpes, was it Herpes simplex type 1 or type 2? Were they gay or straight? did they disclose the fact that they had herpes to their training partners?
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by ShivanTiger on Oct 28, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn't the commission catch the sores?
Then it would just be failed medicals and no one would know as the reason isn’t disclosed.
for fights yes, but not in the gym.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 28, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
but again, someone going into a gym
should be disclosing any communicable diseases they have, especially a gym as high profile as Nog’s. Assuming they are there to try and make a career out of fighting, eventually they will be tested.
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by ShivanTiger on Oct 28, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
it's just that the facts are disproportionate to the percentages in this case.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 28, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
just dumb....thanks for playin'
more straight people in the world, right? therefore the odds that the 1 or 4 gay guys have a communicable disease compared to the 20 or so straight guys in that gym is absolutely laughable. are we back in the fuckin 80’s. get a fuckin clue kiddo.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 28, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
what problem?
are you trying to tell me that being a thoughtful rational individual is a problem? stating the obvious is an art form. shoving the obvious down ones throat is fuckin’ silly and makes you look a fool.
BTW, what the fuck do the left and right have to do w/ this? if left is relentless and right is weak than the middle is shaking its head at both of them asking why anyone listens to either of them.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 28, 2011 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Nog doesn't live in this overly politically correct progressive country of ours.
It’s still cool to be a man down there and not have bitches open hand smacking you for speaking your mind. Maybe we can all man up and not apologize or be scared to say “I don’t want to roll around on the ground with a gay man”. Gays can be gay but I’m not wrestling one.
There are three types of people in this world; sheep, wolves and sheepdogs. Which one are you?
And that's fine that is your choice, it also makes you insecure.
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by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
A person can be uncomfortable without bein insecure, come on man..
by dragonassault on Oct 29, 2011 12:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No
Discomfort means insecurity, essentially. It means you’re not secure in a situation. Uneasiness and anxiety. Discomfort is a fear based trait. That makes it inherently irrational.
Batshitt!!
Its two different words with two different meanings..
by dragonassault on Oct 29, 2011 2:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dictionaries are your friend.
Uncomfortable=experiencing physical discomfort, uneasiness, causing anxiety; disquieting.
Since your version of discomfort is based on a feeling of uneasiness, here is the definition of uneasy:
Uneasy=Lacking a sense of security; anxious or apprehensive.
So, yeah, no, being uncomfortable literally means being insecure. Meaning, being uncomfortable about homosexuality means you have an insecurity surrounding the issue that causes a degree of disturbance to you. Insecurity is an inherently fear based trait. There is a reason the term is “homophobia”.
Just because it’s not the most extreme doesn’t mean it’s not homophobia. If I have a gym with three courts and I say “I have no problem if a black guy wants to come and play in my gym, but I don’t want him to play on the court I’m on because black guys tend to be better at basketball and I want to be the best in my game,” I’m not being a kard-karrying member of the Klan, but I’m still being racist and still basing my actions on an unhealthy generalization.
It’s the same principle. Yeah, he’s not saying a gay person should not have rights in our society, but he’s still saying they have less rights in his gym. Is a gay member of his gym going to get to pay less knowing that he will never receive hand-on instruction from the lead instructor, or any other teachers uncomfortable with what he does completely away from the gym? No, he’s going to pay full price and be told you can only train with some of the people here.
Nog’s allowed to have his own beliefs that he shouldn’t roll with gay BJJ players, and everyone else is entitled to react to those beliefs and use them to shape the way they view him.
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by JustBlogGuy on Oct 28, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
homophobic is a made up word. a catchphrase. you dont have to be scared of gays to not agree with their lifestylew
Most people are just pissed at gAys because they keep trying to brainwash children into accepting them against their parent’s ideals and morals.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 28, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
This is America and you do have the right to teach your children to be bigots that is correct.
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by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions
bigots? that is your word, your interpretation. look i dont hate gays
I just dont agree with homosexuality or the agenda of forcing acceptance. You younger guys (25 and below) don’t even realize you’re a product of this agenda.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 28, 2011 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Thats my same exact stance on it.
Peoople feel like if you say you don’t agree with homosexuality then all of a sudden your intolerant and ignorant.
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What does that even mean,
“don’t agree with homosexuality”. Are you selling it something?
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by Chris Barton on Oct 28, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
based on definition no straight person agrees w/ homosexuality.
if they did they’d be, um, gay. the problem is a matter of personal opinion on right and wrong. if you don’t think it’s right for anyone, well, that’s ignorant.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 28, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
it doesn't agree with him, gives him an upset tummy
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by ShivanTiger on Oct 28, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I was raised by hippies I'm a product of their agenda
Also no one is making anyone “accept” gays(I don’t even know what that means) but if you set an example of someone who is intolerant of other peoples life styles then you are setting the example of a bigot. I don’ t care for Oregon Ducks fans but I still treat them with respect and courtesy.
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by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
making someone accept gays involves the government telling elementary school children that homosexuality is ok and normal
when the government gets to kids before they can even think about issues like this rationaly it is forcing acceptance or indoctrination. that being said, i don’t think such a thing as gay marriage exists, i find homosexuals to be a bit of a joke, but i still treat the ones i worl with thesame as everyone else. what pisses me off is when i see a tiny segment of the population trying to force acceptance on the rest of us by going after children. if you don’t believe this is happening i can post links to articles.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 29, 2011 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you
I dont hate a gay guy cuz he fuks other men just as i expect him not to hate me cuz i fuk woman. Im discusted with the thought of sex with another man the same way the gay guy is discusted with the thought of sex with a woman. There is no insecurity, just different points of view. Im not wrong because i have a pov, jus like a gay person isnt wrong for his pov.. Youre 100% correct, one doesnt have to accept anything they choose not to. Wtf
by dragonassault on Oct 29, 2011 1:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Gay men
Generally are not thinking about straight sex. That’s #1. I’ve never met any straight man who thinks about gay sex, or even gay men who think about gay sex, as much as self-identifying anti-gay men think about it. I don’t care about vaginal sex, as a gay man. It does nothing for me, I don’t have an opinion on it. That is the way the straight men I know think about gay sex. It’s simply a non-concern. So, the real question is, why do you anti-gays care about who has sex with who? There is a reason for it, you care for a reason, you’re so freaked out for a reason. If there wasn’t a reason, you wouldn’t care, like many straight men don’t.
Not all view points are valid, and a belief isn’t a view point. Being anti-gay is akin to being anti-Jew, anti-left-handedness, anti-blue eyes, etc. Not everything is OK, just because it’s an opinion doesn’t make it an acceptable one. Being gay isn’t a view point, it’s a sexual orientation. You are making the choice to have an opinion on my sexual orientation when no-one asked you to, so you put yourself in the position to get criticized for making that choice to hold my sexuality against me. It’s your own choosing, and you really should stop whining when you get called out on that choice to be anti-gay.
Its the most pro-humanitarian stance anyone could have.
I dont have anything to do with ur gay existence being difficult. Go talk to youre father about that.. Ive stated over an over that im all for live and let live but u keep branding me anti-gay and only because im not gay like you.. Talk about hate, DAMN!!
by dragonassault on Oct 29, 2011 3:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No
You’re anti-gay because your against homosexuality. And yes, anti-gays are making the lives of LGBT people difficult, by being anti-gay, sending and promoting messages of anti-gay attitudes to society and to our youth, and generally being ignorant.
I don’t care enough about you to hate you. Calling you out on your shit isn’t hatred.
Thats precisely the point: i dont care
by dragonassault on Oct 29, 2011 4:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes you do
That’s why you’re against it. Unless you’re not actually against it. Hey, it’s your words, back them up or don’t say them at all.
Like i said
It doesnt matter if the drapes bust into flames when u walk into a room. Dont tell me what im cool with and what im not cool with. Youre literally too stupid to argue with that big gay chip on ur shoulder so im not gonna do it anymore.. Gay or straight, ur a funny lil bitch.. Meowww
by dragonassault on Oct 30, 2011 6:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
a bigot is intolerant
Conan seems tolerantbut just doesn’t adopt your opinions. This being America you have the right to teach your children to proselytize.
by talkfight on Oct 28, 2011 1:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's good word man, I'm not following you.
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by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Dooner, I think you paint too wide a brush man
I have sincere beliefs based on my faith. I do not expect everyone to agree with me. However, that same faith teaches me to treat each individual with respect. For example, my teenage boys know where I stand on homosexuality. I believe it’s wrong, but they also dang well know that we as Christians don’t “steer clear” or refuse to interact with people based on their own behavior. In fact, it is supposed to be the exact opposite.
Look, there is plenty of grounds for you make that assumption, I get that. Some people that claim to also believe that homosexuality is wrong based on their “Christian” faith, will hang out with drunks, hookers and criminals, but cringe if they have to shake hands with “the gays”.
Point is, I think it’s just a prejudiced to assume someone’s a bigot based on their faith or convictions. If they use that as a tool to treat people with less respect, love, or equality, then it’s a fair assessment.
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Good point Danago
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
I don't want to get into a theological discussion with you so I'll try not to head tofar down that path.
It’s refreshing to know that you are not a Christian in name only and actually look to help those that have made poor choices or been effected by horrible circumstances out side of their control I really don’t think there is enough of that in this world everyone is too quick to judge. That being said it is my belief that Jesus (While I don’ t consider Christ to be a living breathing person but instead an example that we should all strive to emulate) would not have any problem with gays or disprove of their lifestyle, instead that facet of Christianity was added by special interests with their own conservative agenda.
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by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I just don't see how any individual has the right to deam someone elses legal, harmless lifestyle as wrong.
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Uhmm, but sodomy IS illegal in most states..
They dont just 69 each other ya know..
by dragonassault on Oct 29, 2011 1:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I hear ya
Either way, they should not be treated differently, regardless of whether I think their lifestyle is in contradiction to my faith. We live in a world with govts and laws set up by men. Even Christ understood this. So, the Libertarian in me says what people do to themselves, or for themselves, so long as it does not directly harm or infringe on anyone else’s same rights, then I don’t have much to say about it.
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
you mean organized religions ideals and morals
how are though ideals working out for the roman catholic church?
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by ShivanTiger on Oct 28, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I was trying to rationally discuss it like you were a civilized person, when really you’re just a bigoted idiot. My mistake.
And newsflash, “most” people aren’t pissed at gays anymore, buddy. The people who hate on others because of who they fuck are in the minority.
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by JustBlogGuy on Oct 28, 2011 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
i think the larger problem is that
the people/groups that do still have issues with gay people, tend to be very influential.
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by ShivanTiger on Oct 28, 2011 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
"Most" people?
Or most anti-gay religious/social conservatives?
You’re right, though, it’s up to parents to teach their kids that it’s not OK to be anti-gay. Too bad so many have failed to do so.
Yea but calling him names and ignorant doesn't make sense.
It’s not like he has some ill informed opinion. It’s just a lifestyle he doesn’t agree with and doesn’t accept it.
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What does that mean "doesn't accept it"?
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by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
as being ok.
my cousin is gay, i don’t hate him or look at him as he’s not apart of my family… do i wish he wasn’t gay? yea. will i ever tell him he’s going to burn in hell, tell him he’s wrong for being gay or that he should choose to be straight? fuck no. he is what he is. and that’s that.
i really don’t care what someones sexuality is. but i dont like when people are shoving their agenda down my throat and calling other people names because of their views.
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You don't think that you wishing he wasn't gay is a little fucked up?
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by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Stop whining.
Honestly, people like you do a disservice with your constant whining about how you’re not treated “fairly”. Please. Live as a closeted gay man in athletics for 24 hours, and you’ll see what it’s like to really have a hard time. You wish your cousin wasn’t gay, yet you then say you don’t look down on him. Wrong answer. You look down on him, and you do care what someones’ sexuality is. You’re so defensive, you care so much about not being called a bigot. Then don’t believe bigoted things. Otherwise, when you’re called out on that, you made your own bed.
Youre hating on someone because they dont share youre pov on this issue.
It doesnt even matter what my stance is on it. Go back and read what you’ve posted. Youre the one who is the hater because people have to see it youre way or they are anti-gay. Maybe he just wishes his cousin wasnt gay so they will have more fun together when they go out just like anyone by nature wants to be around people like themselves who they have a common bond and youre no different there elton..hypocrite
by dragonassault on Oct 29, 2011 3:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah.............right.
No, he wishes his cousin wasn’t anti-gay because he admits he’s against homosexuality, which was said several times, I “disagree” with homosexuality, whatever the hell that means.
I’m not a hater, I don’t need to hate you. Not all viewpoints are valid, not all situations have two sides to the debate. Some things are clear-cut. It’s not about what I think, it’s about what’s anti-gay and what isn’t anti-gay. Saying “I disagree with homosexuality” or “being gay is wrong” is an anti-gay statement, and at the end of the day, people are going to call you out if you make a statement denigrating who someone is as an individual. That’s how it is, if you don’t like it don’t be it.
Are you saying gay and straight people can’t be friends? Common bond? So, basically, you place a major impetus on the sexuality of an individual as to whether you’ll get along with them? Hahaha. You sure don’t know many gay people, then. I don’t base an individuals’ personality or anything else solely on who they fuck, but I guess we’re different in that regard.
what if it were a white fighter who said he would never roll with a black guy
Is it still just his preference? Sure, but that doesn’t mean he also isn’t racist!
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by PHISH_NATION on Oct 28, 2011 12:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
pure ignorance. it has nothing to do with his sexuality. it has everythibg to do with his legitimate opinion of homosexuality
And his god damn right to associate with whoever he chooses. Dana IS The one who sounds unreasonable here. By unreasonable I mean that the defense of his position involved saying It’s 2011 over and over. Not very coherent.
Please son, just because a guy doesn’t like a gay dude rubbing on his doesn’t make him insecure, it makes him normal.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 28, 2011 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions
justbecause a guy doesn’t like agayrubbing on hisdude grappling with himdoesn’tmakes him insecure, it makes him normal.
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by ShivanTiger on Oct 28, 2011 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
not really
There is a cultural bias towards gay men in the majority of this country. If there was not, we would not be having this conversation. That being said, it is more “normal” for men to not want to grapple with gay men if you use the term normal meaning “>50%” and abnormal meaning “<50%”.
What you deem normal is not what he deems normal. And that is ok. On both your parts.
You also have to realize that there are large segments of our population that believe homosexuality is inherently evil and spawned by Satan, even though Darwin proved that 100% male populations of frogs, lizards, swallows and other “lower” species will change sexes for the purposes of procreation.
then I am abnormal when it comes to this subject
nice pic by the way, your coat of arms is very similar to mine
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"I fight with the power of jesus in my corner!"- Joe Son
by ShivanTiger on Oct 28, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
darwin? your example does not work. but survival of the fittest does work for mine.
How can two dudes or two women make a baby. They can’t. Even in large bisexual populations( which don’t exist)
The gay genes would be at a serious disadvantage of being passed on and eventually be phased out. Homosexuality is nurtured. Not evil, but not normal either. It is a sexual preference that a tiny percent of people have and acceptance of their lifestyle should not be forced on any society.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 28, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Truth. Well said.
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson
none of that is truth
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by PHISH_NATION on Oct 28, 2011 1:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
It is not meant for a man and a man to procreate.
It is an anomaly. Just like any other faulty genetic mutation.
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson
So the only reason to have sex is to procreate?
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
We are speaking solely on biological terms here.
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson
Sex and partnership is good for your health.
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
so homosexuals are a faulty genetic mutation?
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Lance Storm, I'm coming for my revenge. Meathead is gonna fuck Kongo up.
"I fight with the power of jesus in my corner!"- Joe Son
In a very archaic black and white sense I suppose their is some to merit to that argument but we as a species have evolved past the laws of nature so I don’t think that line of thinking applies in the modern world.
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Explain Sparta
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Oct 28, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
you explain sparta. are all greeks gay or was their lifestyle nurtured. either way, how gay sparta was is
Is subjective. Most of their " gay" behavior is only gay from a modern perspective.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 28, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
It's not subjective
How is “young boys are for love, women are for breeding” only gay in a modern perspective? How the fuck is that subjective?
1. Anderson Silva is waiting for you to punch him.
2. That guy is Anderson Silva.
3. Don't fucking punch that guy.
by Chris Barton on Oct 28, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Couple of things...
The world is massively over populated, nature finds ways to balance it out.
Also, how do you explain the hundreds of different types of animals that have been observed performing homosexual sex? Animals couldn’t possibly nurture something like that.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Oct 28, 2011 12:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
gays aquire the preference
It’s absurd to biologically claim a philisophical opinion. Animals will hump anything living or not through a primitive reactionary process. We cannot assume and infer this is a biological propensity for humans. Sex is radically different between species. If one’s self recognition is purely an illusory product of materialistic process then placing sex organs inside a variety of objects is neither wrong/right or even purposed. It is a pointless random act of chaos without the possibility for procreation.
by talkfight on Oct 28, 2011 1:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
really, then why does homosexual behavior occurr in captive zoo animals at a much higher frequency than in the wild? for that matter we aren't that different. think about what otherwise straight men do in prison when there are no other options.
there is a difference between behavior we characterize as gay in the animal world and actual homosexual behavior. someof the gay behavior in the animal world is misinterpreted, other behavior(like sheep in bachelor groups) is nurtured. rams actually rape a new goat into the group. only the goats that can’t get a female do this.
homosexual behavior has been around for centuries, even before the world was overpopulated. also, that explainaition is more hokey pokey gia worship that science.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 29, 2011 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Its all biological, nothing more.
Just the dumber of the animals that will hit whatever hole they can find. There not gay animals. Wtf?
by dragonassault on Oct 29, 2011 3:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Homosexuality exists in all different kinds of species, how is that not natural?
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
animals are mindless
They hump anything due to reactionary motorskills not out of a spiritualistic love for that object/animal. Animals/humans making random physical choices does not prove a mental predisposition for physical stimulation. Being gay is clearly a result cognitive reasoning similar to favorite colors tastes sounds smells these things are relative and seem natural but food preferences aren’t genetically adoptable anymore than fashion sense.
by talkfight on Oct 28, 2011 1:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Animals are mindless,
Wow. Would have thought of a better agreement than that. Lemme guess, ur a republican. No way being gay is a result of cognitive reasoning. People who are gay or straight have feelings for the opposite sex long before they are fully aware of the consequences/reasoning for the attraction. There is no way u can tell me that attraction is cognitive. For instance, I always stared at big boobs but have never really been an ass man. I like brunettes way more than blondes. I have always been this way. There is no way this has been conditioned into my life by way of cognitive reasoning. Attraction is attraction, nothing more, nothing less
by UltimateHuggingChampionship on Oct 28, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
there is no attraction gene and attraction ...
is not a result of biological process. Preferences are by nature pattern recognition and refolded compartmentalized influences. So no you are not genetically predisposed to prefer boobs vs ass or blondes vs brunettes. You are making personal philisophical preferences not biological reverse engineering expirments. People often bring philosphy into science its an involuntary natural leap but not science
by talkfight on Oct 28, 2011 2:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This^^^
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson
Your concept of genetics is out dated and is only really used to teach the basics in high school or entry level University courses that don’t require anything more than a basic understanding. You’re only talking really about Mendelian inheritance concerning one allele or level of expression. There are traits that are coded for at multiple locations on and between chromosomes, and that have varying levels of expression, which can change throughout life. This isn’t even considering random mutations or epigenetic contributions. You are absolutely wrong that any genetic involvement would have died out – and this does not contradict ideas of ‘survival of the fittest’.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
mendelism? easy guy
Hereditary charactiristics such as genetic mutations or other various diseases have nothing to do with life style preferences. Some people enjoy sexing animals is that wrong? Can organic stimulation preferences be litigated whitewashed and controled? Adult/child relationships appear throughout all of history is this natural? Some people prefer sex with nonliving objects is this a genetically selective chromosome? Of course not. It’s a choice method derived from memoristic experiances and influences. Sex without the possibility of conception is not purposeful but purely a pleasure principle
by talkfight on Oct 28, 2011 1:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You’re confused. I’m not saying what people do is right or wrong (whatever right or wrong even mean). Culture and society decide that. I’m giving you a genetic explanation, which Connan didn’t think of. You can not honestly think that we ‘choose’ who we like and want to have sex with. Who would choose a life of ridicule and possible violence against them? There are many schools of thought on homosexuality, mine happens to be a genetic explaination. You’re not going to change my mind, and I doubt I’ll change yours.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
prefernces and tastes aren't genetic
I dont want to change your mind i was only expressing mine. People feel the need to justify their choices in the face of intolerance but that is a waste and useless. I choose who/what i have sex with and am proud to make that choice i dont need suedoscience to re-enforce it.
by talkfight on Oct 28, 2011 2:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
it seems to me that sexualo orientation is that the core of one’s being and not something that can be chosen. I’ve never heard anyone ever indicate that they chose their sexuality. If you’ve never considered "chosing " to have sex with a man dont you think it’s because you are incapable of making that choice? In other words you are oriented as a hetero and couldn’t make that choice if you wanted to. I understand the conundrum of the ancient Spartans engaging in homosexual activity on a fairly widespread basis but even that may be exaggerated.
There’s example after example of gender confused children and adults who would NEVER choose to have that horrible problem of feeling like a girl in a boy’s body or vice versa. Some boys are effeminete from birth and their nature is to be attracted to men. I like most of your points but I just can’t believe people choose their sexual orientation although I do believe that a society that conditioned people for homosexual activity would have a higher rate of that activity just because there is probably i higher percentage of people who could be bisexual than is currently acknowledged.
Your beliefs become your reality.
by Hardy's in your face on Oct 28, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
This
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
You’re wrong, taste does have a genetic component. Look at the ability to taste PTC for instance. This is a dominant genetic trait. I saw you use colour as an example as well. Certain animals are predisposed to become aroused at visual stimuli including colour, as seen in various bird and primate species (we are primates by the way). You are using a suedoscience, as your hypotheses concerning choice being concious are untestable, while there are numerous examples of genetic experiments which have shown otherwise.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
you're right. taste does have a genetic component
But that doesn’t apply to the relative interpretation of flavors and subtle petuitary receptors indicating bitterness or sweetness. taste sensitivity has nothing to do with taste preference/interpretation. Also animals visual stimuli arousal has no direct relevance to a humans neocortex extrapalation process indicating a thought about thoughts also known as feelings. My favorite color is generally red depending the object this is a result permitted biologically but not a direct cause. Animals dont have these hierarichel capabilities so comparisons in this context are off the point. Choice is the requisite of consciousness which is the programming language of the universe. No there is no test to prove the self awareness of another entity it is infered based on cause and effect structures and assumptions.
by talkfight on Oct 29, 2011 12:54 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i considered that myself. i was going basic because of the audience. are you basically saying that homosexuality is a secondary characteristicand expresses itself strongly at different times?
scientist can’t find a “homosexual gene” so they believe it is a combination of several genes. they still don’t know. all studies claiming to find a genetic link i’ve ever read (granted that was three years ago) are hogwash if you actually read them. they involved finding slightly higher frequencies of certain alleles.
still it would create such a disadvantage in reproduction that it woud die outeventually. it is not a mutation. if it was it would probably been found as such all ready.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 29, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Sexual Orientation.
Is not purely genetic and sex is not purely for procreation.
Try again.
i don't think there is a genetic component at all.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 29, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
ok, which genes made you gay francene? was it your uncle gene????
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 29, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Read and learn
The internet is your friend.
BTW, I find it pretty skeptical you “treat the gay people you know the same” as you specifically said. Not when you inherently look down on someone for being gay. It’s almost comical how lacking in awareness anti-gays tend to be.
butch up francene, straight guys talk shit to each other all the time. picking on insecurities
and verbally backhanding fools. you joined the wrong site. read the posts. they are full of smart ass coments. if you want to be treated like everyone else then stop whining, butch up, and realize that i am aware…i just don’t care.
sorry to bring up your uncle molesting you on the internet though, that was too far.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 29, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I can handle shit talk
I talk shit with the best of them, I’m pretty self-deprecating. But, you’re just an idiot, lol. Telling me to butch up when you’re crying about gay acceptance increasing, you make for great un-intentional comedy.
If you’re going to go the humorous route, try not being so predictable. Calling me Francene and the whole gay=rape thing sort of went out like 15 years ago. But that will be hard for someone with your level of intelligence.
Conan, why do you have to be forced to accept anyone?
Thats a sad way to live your life… why cant you just accept people for who they are, expecially in a case like this where it has no effect whatsoever on you!
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by PHISH_NATION on Oct 28, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
it does affect how you raise your children, and more importantly how you are allowed to think. i read your post and all i heard was
why are you thinking freely, you need to think like me and life will be so much easier for you. i accept gay people for what they are. i don’t hate them, just don’t tell me that i have to accept every tiny segment of the population’s quirks as normal at the expense of my own individuality. i’m not saying homosexuals can’t be gay, i’m just saying my seven year old has no business being taugt about man on man love and told he is a bad person of he doesn’t accept it.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 29, 2011 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
It is a bad thing
Being anti-gay is a bad thing, so it’s gets condemned accordingly. Stop whining. You can’t make people respect your beliefs. Homosexuality exists, it’s a natural part of human society, and if you don’t like that, that’s your problem you need to handle, not anyone else.
Please son, just because a guy doesn’t like a gay dude rubbing on his doesn’t make him insecure, it makes him normal.
What if it is a straight guy rubbing on him? Does he enjoy that?
Just because a dude is gay doesn't mean he wants to fuck you.
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly!
thats what i was sorta getting at….you have to have a ego problem if you think every gay guy yu rolled with, even wanted to touch you!
it would be funny for someone like Nog to say “im not rolling with him, he is gay!” and buddy responds “dont worry you ugly fuck, i wouldnt touch you with Andersons dick and Big Nog pushing!”
Depends on what you look like
I want to fuck most pretty girls I see. Doesn’t mean I react to those feelings, but it doesn’t change the fact that I have them.
right
thats true i suppose. If I were rolling with a hot girl, i wouldnt try and fuck her, but the whole time i was rolling with it, it would be the only thing on my mind.
Gay men are still men
and have been having sex or thinking about having sex since age 12 or so. All the time. Just like you or me.
so are you saying that you fully understand if someone doesnt want anything to do with rolling with a gay man?
I understand it
I don’t think it is right, but I understand.
How old were you before you saw your first black man, Newfoundlander? How many people in your family are distrusting towards any minority?
Not picking a fight, but it takes a long time to change a culture. We are not even close to that here, and a machismo-based culture like Brazil is even further behind.
and here I thought Brazil was full of Tranny's
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
honestly
one of my best buddies is black. Ive been friends with him all my life. Although the term “you are suacy as a black” was used a long while before i realy knew what it meant. ha ha. But that was more of an expression, than a racial insult. My mother certainly does not hate blacks, as she was the reason i met my black friend to be begin with. She is very good friedns with his mother. No one in my family is even remotely close to being distrusting towards a minority. Thats only the truth.
You may hav e heard this before, but Newfoundlanders have a reputation for being some of the nicest, friendliest folk on the planet. Thats not to say there arent traces of racism here, but it is very little. We are open and accepting people. Only the truth.
Canada in general is a friendly accepting place
Im from Mississauga (outside of Toronto )and their is prob more minorities living there then anywhere. Everyone generally gets along. Canada accepts black people except for the ignorant dicks. We havent had this racist culture to change. Remember African Americans fled to Canada from racist America and nova scotia is hella close to Newfoundland
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by Kalejohncox on Oct 28, 2011 12:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sorry Meant to post to eoghan
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by Kalejohncox on Oct 28, 2011 12:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Women also enjoy having sex and think about it often. Does that mean an unattractive woman shouldn’t be allowed to roll because the guys she is rolling with don’t want to have sex with her and she is totally getting off rolling with him? Of course not.
Rolling is rolling. Fucking is fucking. A mature individual can see the difference in the two. An inability to roll with an attractive woman is a sign of immaturity for the man that can’t treat it as sport. Likewise, a mature gay guy would have no problem rolling and not having it be a sexual experience. The thought that just because the sport being played involves close contact it stops being about competition and becomes about sex to a gay competitor is ridiculous.
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by JustBlogGuy on Oct 28, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
should change your name to justTRUTHguy
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by PHISH_NATION on Oct 28, 2011 12:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
this is ignorance
Makes him normal? I could care less if a guy I’m rolling with is gay or black or female or fat or whatever… does that make me abnormal? No that makes you homophobic. What makes you think the gay guy wants to have sex with you? Why people give a shit if another person is gay is beyond me… and don’t get me started about the whole “its a choice” BS you posted above
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by PHISH_NATION on Oct 28, 2011 12:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Glad to see Dana take this stance
Like Charles Barkley put it, “I’d rather have a gay guy on my team that can play than a straight guy who sucks.”
Matthew Goldstein
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by Matthew Goldstein on Oct 28, 2011 9:42 AM EDT reply actions
ill take the better one
if the gay dude was playing so he could be around other guys, thatd be awkward and i wouldnt like that…but if he was playing because he can play, then who gives a fuck lol
We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.
at the highest level? do you really think a person would make it that far just to "play" w/ other dudes?
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 28, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
i didnt know we were talking
strictly about the highest level
We all do damage; character is determined by how we repair it.
i had assumed that because the conversation originated from Sir Charles stating....
that he’d rather have a good gay player over a shit straight one.
"There are no atheists in foxholes" isn't an argument against atheism, it's an argument against foxholes. ~James Morrow
"There is a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot."-Steven Wright
by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 28, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Nobody records the he quotes of mid level players of any sport.
So we have to go with the top tier athletes.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Oct 28, 2011 12:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Exactly, a guy doing it for attention is one thing. A guy who trains just like everyone else, bleeds the same sweats the same and sacrifices what everyone else does is a legitimate. Period, no matter his sexual preference.
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by AintNoSunshine on Oct 28, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
This shouldnt even be in question.
But you cant tell me you would feel uncomfortable rolling with a guy that is a known gay.
I for one have been on both ends of the spectrum.
Allow me to explain. Back in my high school wrestling days I was paired up with a female due to the lack of bigger girls in the team, and she neede someone to roll around with. Now dont get me wrong the girl was somewhat thick but she had curves in all the right places. I ended up faking an injury to get out of rolling with her because a certain “something” got a bit to noticeable and if she would have noticed it would have made for a very awkward situation for the both of us.
Now not too long ago we had a guy from 10th planet come roll with us, as soon as he came in I knew he played for the other team because of his body language, the way he talked and the way he carried himself in general. Guy was a brown belt. Given that he tooled me on the ground when i got to roll with him. We rolled for 12 minutes straight and towards the end, he managed to take my back…..thats when I felt him get a lil excited. I prayed for it to be a cup…obviously knowing it wasnt. I, wanting to get out of that “uncomfortable” situation, tapped for no “apparent reason” and when I did he asked “why did you tap?” whilst looking confused…and i simply responded “i gassed”….
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson
Did you ask him?
Look I used to do gymnastics when I was a child, my coach was gay we all knew he was gay (He moonlighted as a hair dresser) Obviously he wasn’t interested in us we were children, but there were adults he was training as well and none of them ever made any complaints. If someone were to use training as a vehicle to get their rocks off they’re pervs not just homosexuals/Heterosexuals.
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Didnt need to. It was quite obvious. Also:
If someone were to use training as a vehicle to get their rocks off they’re pervs
Its not about that. Anytime you are in such close contact (doesnt get much closer than rolling with somebody) with someone you find sexually attractive you are bound to get somewhat “excited” that was the reason I posted my first paragraph up above. Many MMA fighters and wrestlers have talked about this as well.
"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." Thomas Jefferson
I'm guess I'm out of my element on this.
I don’t think I would be able to tell the difference from a chub and a cup myself but as I’ve never been in that situation I could be wrong.
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
If a guy can drink piss and get away with it then.......
Nick Diaz - Undisputed 2011 No-show Champion
and whether or not they are drinking directly from the source....
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by ViolentMike on Oct 28, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
yes...
he kinda did
"There are no atheists in foxholes" isn't an argument against atheism, it's an argument against foxholes. ~James Morrow
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 28, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, someone had to do it...
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by ViolentMike on Oct 28, 2011 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly
Nick Diaz - Undisputed 2011 No-show Champion
by hairybumcrack on Oct 28, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
It's nice for Dana to say this
but I expect MMA is going to be the LAST sport that a fighter would “come out” to…
Why?
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
I agree with sudnvictory...
its the nature of the sport and its fanbase. fighting is seen as manly, plus the monkey-brained fans, plus the half-naked ring-girls.
"You never know. I don't know. You know?" -Nick Diaz
Still doesnt answer my question.
Gay or not, you can still be “manly”, especially being an MMA fighter. Yeah monkey brained fans are a problem, but the good thing is the gay fighter can still beat the shit out of em, so a little inherent respect may be there…
And ring girls? Fans are looking at them, so? Unless I hear a call from you for equality and “RingBoys”.
ABB?
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
It’s unfortunate, but there is a gigantic risk to a fighter coming out in a sport like mixed martial arts. In any professional sport where you have guys who are freaks of physical performance and no shortage of macho men and homophobes there is risk involved, but the fundamental difference comes in how it will effect how you are treated.
If an NBA player comes out of the closet, it’s very possible one or more teammates will not respond positively. But you know what? Tough shit. The players don’t make the personnel decisions, and if you aren’t working with the out player in practices or games, you look bad, and you get shit and you lose money on future contracts when your production suffers as a result. Additionally, the players taking out their anger to hurt their gay teammate hurt themselves by making the team that needs to win for a player to be successful play worse.
Mixed martial arts being an individual sport, and one in which anyone can freely train where and with who they want means somebody could well be frozen out. Big Nog’s stance on the issue is disgusting to me, but I’m not naive enough to think he’s the only one who feels that way. A fighter coming out risks losing out on training partners who can’t be forced by ownership to practice with them, and unless the fighter is somebody bringing something truly unmatched to the table a group of guys not training with the out fighter lose a lot less than the out fighter does in losing a group of training partners. Ultimately, the ability for homophobes to damage your livelihood without damaging theirs to a comparable degree is just much higher in an individual sport like this, and the risk of being out effecting the view of your partners is higher in a sport that involves rolling on the ground and is the basis for gay jokes on its own.
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by JustBlogGuy on Oct 28, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
I think traning camps would be a lot more accomodating to a gay fighter than your typical pro locker room.
"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."
by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
disagree strongly
individual sports seem to be an easier avenue to “coming out”. besides, like someone mentioned before it’s two people trying to knock each others heads off. if a opponent really thinks fighting a gay person would interfere w/ his performance they should never be able to fight at the highest levels.
"There are no atheists in foxholes" isn't an argument against atheism, it's an argument against foxholes. ~James Morrow
"There is a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot."-Steven Wright
by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 28, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
absolutely you would
so the question is, by coming out and rooting out the ignorance around the sport, be it inadvertently or not, are you helping the progress past general ignorance and insecurity?
"There are no atheists in foxholes" isn't an argument against atheism, it's an argument against foxholes. ~James Morrow
"There is a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot."-Steven Wright
by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 28, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Depends
There are no openly gay men in the Big 4 that I am aware of. Considering the “fringeness” of MMA, I doubt that you see the first openly gay professional athlete in MMA.
Just my take, or maybe I haven’t heard of the first?
agreed....
this is more than likely a long way from happening. i just like that we can actually discuss this in terms of potential reality.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 28, 2011 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
It will happen, remember this sport isnt' restricted to Americans, other countries generally are more excepting
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by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
No way man.
There would be the arguement that they were ducking, or scared of fighting a gay dude. They might think about backing down, but theyd fight for sure eventually.
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big Nog or anyone else can think whatever they want but when you say it in the media there are consequences
by biggant on Oct 28, 2011 9:43 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
true but I'm talking about main stream media and the general public opinion of mma fighters which is biased in the first place
by biggant on Oct 28, 2011 11:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
there are in the courft of public opinion
I sure like him a lot less now
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by PHISH_NATION on Oct 28, 2011 12:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lol
He lost a bet that’s why is was wearing that. Of he was on the beach trying to tan his cheeks because he’s sexy and he knows it
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by Kalejohncox on Oct 28, 2011 10:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
before everyone goes off on a tangent – I think you’re missing these operative words:
“Las Vegas chapter of the Culinary Union” – read between the lines folks..
nothing but a smokescreen
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by AintNoSunshine on Oct 28, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Nog's comment makes sense if you also...
agree guys and girls shouldn’t be rolling around either…
I for one don’t care about this issue because I don’t think about it, I lived in NYC my whole life so I guess I’m used to different people of all kinds, I don’t care what you are as long as you’re cool to people…
i don't agree w/ guys and girls not rolling....
i’ve rolled w/ girls at a Gracie school. i honestly learned a great deal more from her then anyone else at the school.
i know for a fact that we also has 2 gay folks at the school as well. nothing was ever commented on and no one ever got upset about it. as Dana would say “business as usual”
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 28, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
That's great to hear.
I am female, and bisexual (first partner female for 6 years, second partner male for a year ongoing) and one thing that is always in the back of your mind meeting new people is whether they will accept you for everything you are. For years I was with a woman who was suffocated by religion and didn’t come out (bar to a couple of friends) because of the way the people surrounding her treated gay people.
Anyway, the reason I replied to your post is that I have been thinking of taking up MMA training as a hobby at some stage of my life and I am really glad to see what you have said about there being gay people at your gym and them being accepted.
Because even though I am no longer in a relationship with a woman, I like to be open and honest with people about my past, and for them to be in the least civil about it.
one of the ladies was gay
she was also just breaking into the pro scene when i left the school. BJJ blue belt and an amazing striker. boys and girls were in awe of her skill set.
anything i write that helps someone feel more comfortable makes me happy. one piece of advise, if you are overly nervous, bring a friend and try it together. doesn’t matter if it’s another girl or not, just get to a gym and go.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 28, 2011 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I was at a grappling tourney over the weekend and their is a 135 pound unisex division. Plenty of quality woman competing and in one of the matches the guy took her down and she went for an arm bar. As you probably all know when you attempt to defend and stack you often put yourself right up on the ass of the person attempting the arm bar. Well that happens and the guy is so uncomfortable and trying so hard not to be so close that of course.. he gets arm barred. I was pretty disappointed.
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by AintNoSunshine on Oct 28, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Honestly, who cares.
If you’re gay or not, whatever.
I’m as straight as they come and it really wouldn’t bother me if i was to train with someone who was gay.
I really don’t see the big deal.
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Liddell: 'Well if I'll have to...I'll fight him...if I have to'
What a load of left wing ’let’s all hold hands nonsense’ if someone doesn’t want to roll with a gay person then fine it’s their choice. personally iv rolled with one openly gay male and rolled with females and it doesn’t bother me, now if he started oil checking me it might be a different case lol…
i agree that each individual is entitled to their own opinion, but saying that opinion out loud means it open season to call them out for it. their choice, once made public is simply allowed to be ridiculed, frowned upon or applauded and agreed with.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 28, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
What do u mean?
One with a particular opinion cant be open about it, but the ones who call them out on it can be wide open with theirs? We all have opinions, some are good and others are not. We have to analyze them accordingly..
by dragonassault on Oct 29, 2011 4:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well played Dana
Shame 90% of MMA fans are immature pi## heads. That’s the bottom line, I’ve done my research. I actually think Nick Diaz is gay. Guys having a real hard time right now and looks like he needs to get something off his chest.
This site is worse enough. Homophobic slurs fly around these ends, I pity you all. Nog is a pillock for making those comments, he of all should understand there’s no place for that ish in sport.
by danago on Oct 28, 2011 10:12 AM EDT via iPhone app reply actions
not sure why Nog above all others should understand this?
Danago, why would you think that he in particular should be more “aware” than any other fighter?
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 28, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
He has his own schools, he’s been training JJ for 30 years. Is he that stupid? He’s an adult and one of the top JJ players in MMA and you are going to turn around and say JJ isn’t for gays?
Yes that’s what he was saying. Hands down no questions asked.
by danago on Oct 28, 2011 10:19 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I agree with Dan. I am on the fence a litle bit. I dont think Nog should have ever made the comment. If thats how he feels fine, but as a legend and a mentor, someone alot of people look up too and he shouldnt have made the comment and he would have avoided all this heat.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Oct 28, 2011 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
According to Nog, he was pressured into being honest about his apprehensions when he was doing an interview.
I wouldn’t go out of my way to judge him, simply because the culture he grew up in is not the same as it is in America. Even in America, the collective feelings about the issue vary from state to state. I live in NYC, it’s possible that I run into gay people on a daily basis and therefore have a developed a certain comfort level that Nog on the other hand, might not have had. I just don’t like judging people I have not spent time with in person, unless they did something horrific like murdering people.
by amendamatrix on Oct 28, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont care for the reason, Nog should have still said no comment. Or gone a different route.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Oct 28, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
We've all been pressured into doing something we tried to avoid at one point or another in our lives.
So I’m not going to give him shit as if I was saint or something.
by amendamatrix on Oct 28, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Well the difference is Nog is a business owner, a mentor, a teacher and someone people look up too. He will and should be held in a higher pedastool when it comes to remaining professional, especially in matters this heated
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Oct 28, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
No one is perfect, not even your parents. You can't expect someone, in a sport as "proffesional" as MMA, to be everything you want them to be just because you're their fan.
I learned this the hard way with my dad. People slip up, or do things they regret. I, as someone with no close association to Nog, don’t feel it’s right for people who aren’t close to him personally, or even geographically to judge him for one slip of the tongue.
by amendamatrix on Oct 28, 2011 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I see what you did there with the pedastool
I'm always thinking one step ahead. Like a carpenter . . . who makes stairs.
by supernova224 on Oct 28, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
But thats how the man truly feels.
He shouldnt have to apologize for his true outlook on any subject, especially when asked about it..
by dragonassault on Oct 29, 2011 4:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Man Danago I don't care what they say about you...
You’re alright. I still don’t understand why people think you’re a troll.
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by Armando Baez on Oct 28, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
this might be the first time I've agreed with something you've said
Not sure if this is still troll mode for you, but either way, well said.
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by Cory Braiterman on Oct 28, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
legit question
If a UFC contracted fighter was gay and “came out,” and another fighter refused to fight him, should the fighter who refused be released, or reprimanded, and/or would the UFC have a right to do so?
My thought is that the fighter who refuses should be reprimanded in some way, just not sure how.
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unfortunately this would probably end up as a case by case thing.
and this is where Dana will really need to put his enlightened views to the test.
i personally feel the fighter should be immediately released.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 28, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
The gay thing would have zero implications on the consequence. They could punish him for turning down the fight but he isnt going to say hey Joe Silva yeah that dudes gay no thanks.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Oct 28, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Dana has said in the past that he can't force fighters to fight people they don't want to fight.
IE: Fitch vs Koscheck
I don’t think anything would happen unless it was with regards to a title fight.
by amendamatrix on Oct 28, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
But you’re going to have guys like Nogueira who come from Brazil, who’s got that macho, Latino
Are Brazilians considered Latino’s? I’ll admit that my knowledge of South and Central America isn;t great, but I have always thought that “Latino’s” by definition spoke Spanish
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Latinos are Latins
that come from any latin based language. ie: Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, French, etc..
By definition they are "Latino"
Hispanics speak Spanish. You can be both or just one.
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by Armando Baez on Oct 28, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
After years of using homophobic slurs dana white is now in support of the gay community just in time for the media frenzy before the ufc debut on fox…
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by letter19 on Oct 28, 2011 10:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
with the exception of the Loretta Hunt incident, which he issued an apology for
does he have a history of gay slurs in the media or out in public
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by ShivanTiger on Oct 28, 2011 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
First of all he has never been derogatory towards the gay community. He uses slang that he shouldnt use but he has never degraded the gay community.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Oct 28, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
first of all he has been derogatory towards the gay community because of the slang he uses.
"So many people have negative energy towards me...So many people have insulted me and spent time trying to assassinate my character...Those people are emotionally invested, they belong to me."-letter19
by letter19 on Oct 28, 2011 1:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Has Dana used F word since the Lorreta Hunt rant? He's long since apologized for it.
I don’t recall him ever using the F word in a long time, even his most cursed filled interview of 2011, the one that he had with Helwani after the last UFC on Versus, no derogatory slang was used. http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/22825103/vp/44746947#44746947
by amendamatrix on Oct 28, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
good...and I doubt he uses the word in public again
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by letter19 on Oct 28, 2011 1:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In public? sure he will. In front of a camera? different story
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Oct 28, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Im with you man.
It irks me every time I see/hear that.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Oct 28, 2011 12:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You here that ANS, the coast is clear.
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by ViolentMike on Oct 28, 2011 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Dude, I have been waiting a long time for this. Now I can finally openly admit my love for Randy Couture
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TUF 5 had numerous gay fighters on it. Go back and watch the entry tape auditions and interviews.
I myself know atleast two fighters in the UFC who are in fact gay. These guys i would never out and that’s not because their ashamed it’s the fact they don’t know how the community would respond. I’ve rolled with them, sparred and boxed and never once did i feel uncomfortable. They just like what they like behind closed doors and they do not preach or even remotely act gay.
In a sport that gets called ‘gay’ due to the ground aspect don’t expect many to come out ever.
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by Lesnar's striking coach on Oct 28, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you guys don't train.
You don’t go in the gym and eye up who you want to take home. You don’t go in with that mindset and you’d be kicked out if you did. It’s competition, that’s the be all and end all. If you are afraid of rolling with someone gay you’re a pussy. I’m not sure what the problem is, you might learn something.
by danago on Oct 28, 2011 11:28 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Why would a pussy be afraid of a gay person?
That’s a backwards acting pussy!
by Starr788 on Oct 28, 2011 12:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dana for sure wants that gay demographic...
…More viewers…plus, all the buff, chizzled men pushing and pulling each other’s hair….ooooooooooh lawdy, lawdy!!!!
by Starr788 on Oct 28, 2011 12:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I allways thought Dana was gay,now with a statement like thatwont be surprised to see him at the next pride parade
by sgt thai clone on Oct 28, 2011 12:09 PM EDT reply actions
god forbid nog doesn't want to grapple with a gay dude
If you outright ask a straight guy if he wants to grapple with a gay guy of course hes going to cringe a bit if its put right out there for him. Its just human nature but political correctness in America is so bad that normal human reactions are attributed to a deep seated hatred.
If a gay guy doesn’t want to stick his face in a vagina is he a hate monger who hates women? No, hes just a regular gay dude but because of double standards in this stupid country one side is demonized and pointed at while everyone chants some kind of label at them.
Agreed
It’s like the term homophobic. That term implies that someone is scared of gays. A lot of people are not scared of gays, they just don’t like them. If someone hates the tea party are they teapartyphobic? how about someone who hates liberals, are they liberalphobic?
by detroit_fan on Oct 28, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Language must take the blame here...
Even the word homosexual is a construction of society meant to control and degrade….men that have sex with other males have been around for years now….Greek warriors had male partners as well as Samurai’s, which was intended to strengthen bonds (you’re more inclined to fight for a man whom you share an intimate relationship). That is the evolutionary advantage, but these men still had wives and children at home….the word homosexual is a fairly new phenomena in relation to human history and only appeared during the early years of the industrial age…it forced people to identify themselves as strictly one orientation…now we have homosexuals…….
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by Starr788 on Oct 28, 2011 12:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i am absolutely a lberalphobe and a teapartyphobe......
extremes on either side scare the shit out of me.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 28, 2011 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont train,
Everyone has an opinion and a comfort zone. Im not wrong because someone elses wires got horribly crossed along the way! If Im wrong in any way shape or form because I think being gay is wrong, then so be it. Ive been like this for 43 years and am not going to change. I dont walk around talking about it but I do have an opinion! That said, the world has alot more pressing issues like cultural diversity/terrorism (there is no differance, its just how they get away with it)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh yea lets not forget that little OCCUPY thing going around right now! Talking about being gay at this stage of the game is a total waste of time, your either gay or your not, deal with either way! Someone tells you “he is gay and your next opponent” you either fight or find another job, pretty simple. That said some guys wont fight there friends or training partners, it opens the door for “i dont want to fight him because hes gay” same shit differant pile. If your told to fight someone you should just fight them regardless or your not cut out to be a fighter! This isnt a gay issue but glad its reared its ugly head here, why not it has everywhere else!
A am so sick of these gay articles
if i wanted to read this garbage i would go to bloody vag.
how come the nba, nfl, mlb, nascar, nhl sites can all write articles without constantly bringing up gays but the mma sites feel the need to do it constantly. I can’t remember reading my Lions fan pages and reading that Jim Schwartz wishes the gay players would just come out.
we are still in the early stages of MMA as a sport
there is alot to talk about that other organizartions have already taken care of. and no one other sport involves as much touching and feeling lol
it's on the site because "DANAFUCKINWHITE" is talking about it.
you know Dana, the figurehead of the UFC, the biggest MMA promotion in the world. yeah, that guy. when that guy talks about anything socially relevant we, like the good little herd that we are, discuss it to death.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 28, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
DFW is only talking about it
because mma “reporters” keep asking about it. how come rachel nichols isn’t asking jason garrett about gays in their interviews?
by detroit_fan on Oct 28, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Possibly because Garrett doesnt coach or promote a sport event that has two men with minimal clothing, sweating on top of each other for 15 minutes
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Oct 28, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
haev you ever seen a football game?
when the qb is under center?
by detroit_fan on Oct 28, 2011 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you ever seen that quarterback get his elbow bent by the cup of a person, the cup of course which is protecting testicles?
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Oct 28, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
you are right .... more or less
do you remember the Jeff Garcia debates brought on by TO? it does happen in mainstream sports.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 28, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
the short answer is because this sport is a little bit too macho for the average liberal press member.
they hate to see men celebrating violence and an indomitable will. the media will beat mma over the head with this until all mma fans, most who probably don’t agree with homosexuality as a practice, but have no problem with a gay fighter fighting,see pc nonsense plastered all over the ufc. just wait till a gay fighter does come out. it will be the most hyped ufc show ever.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 29, 2011 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Really?
NBA Hall of Famer Charles Barkley has spoke on it. There has been “coming out” news for plenty of those sports you just named. It isnt just MMA or MMAmania
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Oct 28, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
it has been brought up before
but it is not written about every week like it is on bloody vag and other mma sites.
by detroit_fan on Oct 28, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
This is written about every week? This is the first time I have seen it since the Nog comment. Calm down Detroit Fan, its okay. Just move on to the next article, skip this one.
"......I'm the best ever. I'm the most brutal and vicious, the most ruthless champion there has ever been. No one can stop me. Lennox is a conqueror? No! He's no Alexander! I'm Alexander! I'm the best ever. I'm Sonny Liston. I'm Jack Dempsey....My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious......." - Mike Tyson
by AintNoSunshine on Oct 28, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
not every week on mania
but almost every week on bloody vag, which is also a sbnation mma site.
by detroit_fan on Oct 28, 2011 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I have seen it there just as many times as here. Its not a big deal, life goes on. Just dont click on the article.
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by AintNoSunshine on Oct 28, 2011 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
i frequent both sites often.
ima gonna agree w/ ANS it hasn’t been brought up since the Nog aftermath. did it linger a little longer over at BE or as you like to say BV, yep, but not by much.
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by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 28, 2011 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
If you are that insecure in your sexuality
that you are concerned if the guy you are training with is gay, you need to check yourself. How many “straight” wrestlers have admitted to shoving a digit in an opponents ass to distract them?
fact, most of america doesn't support gay marriage. fact: most of america isn't gay or harboring gay feelings.
lame argument. what applies to you doesn’t apply to everyone. let me gues, you’re one of those guys who will make out with a due just to prove how non-homophobic and straight you are. :)
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 29, 2011 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand the mindset of why a gay fighter doesnt come out.
Not sure of how the community will respond, both fighters and fans alike. But there could be another part of it.
Would you rather be famous for being the first openly gay fighter, or famous for your skills? Sure somebody like Chael Sonnen wouldn’t care why he’s famous, as long as he is famous, but the average dude wants to be known for his skills, not his private life.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Oct 28, 2011 12:39 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Probably unrelated....
but Gray Maynard has a tramp stamp.
1-0 Sig bets
2 weeks with MMA BOSS on Diaz vs Penn. Diaz ftw
One month sig bet with TheDragon on Cain vs. JDS
Cain Train ftw
Someone interview chael about this
"When swinging from nut-sack of the mighty "Quittin" Rampage Jackson, try to avoid getting his ball-sweat in your eyes….it tends to blind you from the obvious. Now, if I could just play a round of golf with my dream foursome of Chael Sonnen, Larry Merchant and Danago, I can die a happy man."
by wooly shambler on Oct 28, 2011 1:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
sherdog tried to pull a question about this on him, asking if he was homophobic
chael said that homophobic implies a fear of gay people and hes never met anyone whos afraid of gay people
Wut str8 maniac wud roll around w/ a gay guy? Honestly?
I wudnt. & b4 ans, danago, & Jesse say they wud I said STR8!
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He does that all the time my guess is he's on his phone.
That being said I hate the way D*locc types and have expressed that to him, but he’s alright.
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by doonerthesooner on Oct 28, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
i wouldn't be surprised if the following fighters admitted to being homosexual.
Nick Ring
Seth Petruzelli
Tom Lawler
Yoshihiro Nakao
Shinya Aoki
Jon Jones
AintNoSunshine
I hate alot of whites and I hate alot of blacks, I hate pooping in public places, but we all hate that.
You forgot a few
GSP
Joey Scarola
Rush
Pat Barry
Georges Safe Pierre
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I just chuckled at your list, stinky
When I saw ANS on there…..might as well add ABB too! Funny shit.
abb is not a fighter.
but he’s definitely a flamer.
I hate alot of whites and I hate alot of blacks, I hate pooping in public places, but we all hate that.
by stinky~fingers on Oct 28, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
it really is amazing how narrow minded people can be. i wil admit i’m fairly homophobic and a lot of men are, but big nog saying that really shows that his brain really is as messed up as his face. and dana white should just say nogueira was acting like an idiot and leave it at that. asking gay fighters to out themselves is really just further discriminating against them
Francis
Man, some of you absolutely clueless. With a capital C. As an actual gay person (yeah, there are gay people who like sports. See, we’re not all flamboyant and fem, as if that’s wrong), let me tell you the 411, since some of you ain’t getting it.
1) Being gay is as much of a choice as being straight is. It’s a sexual orientation. Not a lifestyle. If you think being gay is a choice, you’re admitting bisexuality. Otherwise, there is only one option on the table for you. Straight option (if you’re straight) and gay option (if you’re gay).
2) Being anti-gay is wrong. It’s not “politically correct” to say this. It’s a reality. It’s wrong to be anti-gay. It’s wrong to look down upon, or judge people on the basis of their immutable orientation. It’s unacceptable. We’re normal human beings, who simply are attracted to the same sex, and that’s it.
3) Straight or gay, if you do not have the maturity to keep your mind off sex in a situation such as grappling, then you pretty much should never do it. I’ve never had an issue with anyone in a physical contact situation, in terms of getting “excited” or someone getting freaked out by me. Why? Because our minds aren’t on sex, and we’re not insecure morons. I know homophobes are obsessed with homosexuality, but it’s something you’ll have to try to get your mind off when in the cage. Gay men are men, are humans. We’re not sex addicts, we’re not freaks. Treat us the same way you treat anyone else.
4) If you see most guys on here saying they don’t have an issue and have been on the mat with a gay man before, those of you who do have an issue have NOTHING to stand on and no excuse. Period. If they can get over whatever biases they may have had (or never had), then you can too. Get over it and quit crying over your own fabricated problems.
5) The reason why a professional athlete hasn’t come out while active in MMA or any of the major sports is due not just because of what the teammates may thing, but because of potential losses of endorsements. Plus, the fact coming out would be something that ends up hanging over them, the constant questions about being out, and overall, the majority of athletes identify as Republican and tend to be more conservative. We’re not talking about San Francisco gays here. Not all gay people (most gay people, actually) fill that stereotype. They see being out as a burden they don’t want to deal with. That is the main reason. But the lack of support from teammates or guys in the locker room is definitely another reason. Coming out isn’t as easy as just flippantly saying you’re gay, because most people are assumed straight and society functions with a straight perspective.
6) Lastly, don’t assume “most” of society is homophobic, or “most” straight people are freaked out by and uncomfortable around gay people. As the saying goes, you are who you associate with. Trust me when I say, no-one in my inner circle is like that. The problem is a minority of immature, insecure individuals have too much power and have dragged all of society down with it. That’s why the progress the LGBT community has made has been slow, steady, but slow. But statements like this from someone like Dana White only help matters.
My name
Is Francis BTW, so yeah, lol.
All I have to say is take me seriously. I know people, especially straight guys who have a macho bravado thing going on, like to make gay jokes because laughter is easy when you feel uncomfortable. But, it’s not cool in serious situations such as this, because it shows a lack of respect and shows you don’t take me or my community seriously. Again, treat us like humans, with respect, and you’ll get the same in return.
And stop playing doctor and dissecting the who, what, how, why of gay people. Please. For your own sake.
Thx for the insight,
another insecure gay male telling everyone who doesnt think like him that they are wrong! People like you are part of the reason that gay people are not accepted by some or most!
I am living my life
And my life and the life of all LGBT individuals and supporters are complicated and made worse, because of people like you. It’s very easy to say “who cares what people think” when you’re sitting on your butt judging people. So, yeah, please, I don’t need your advice. You’re not helping matters.
No, sorry.
Yeah, no, I’m not “an insecure gay male”, I’m an honest person, and the honest truth is, regardless of sexuality, is that being anti-gay is wrong. It has nothing to do with what I think. If I were homophobic it would still be wrong to be anti-gay.
As for telling me people like I am the reason people MAKE THE CHOICE to be anti-gay, that’s ridiculous and an f’n excuse for your own behavior. Wrong answer. If you choose “not to accept” gay people, whatever the hell that means, that is your own character issues being displayed, and isn’t the fault of anyone but yourself. Stop blaming the gay community for your problems, we’re tired of always being looked down upon as the bad guys solely because we’re attracted to the same-sex. We’re not bad guys.
control freak much? you would be scary if you ever had power.
no one blames gays for anything. you are a joke trying to taken too seriously. just stop already. you aren’t bad, but you aren’t normal by any stretch of the imagination. why can’t people ask questions about the who, what, and why of your tiny 3-5% anomoly? you sound lie the muslim community who characterizes any scrutiny as prejudice. if your beliefs can’t stand up to scrutiny, then maybe you should change them.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 29, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually
Your fellow anti-gay friend above me said “people like me” are the reason people like he are anti-gay. And since I’ve heard this same line repeated many other times, yes, the blame is being put on me, on my community, and our supporters, that we’re the ones spurring on anti-gay attitudes, when it’s a choice to be that way.
What is normal? Who is normal? None of us are normal to any full degree. We’re all different, one way or another. I mean, if you want to go to percentages, Jews make up 3% or so of the American population. Are they “not normal”? Are left-handed individuals not normal? Are blonds and red-heads not normal? Blacks make up around 11% of the population in America, are they an anomaly?
It’s all very interesting how people like you pick this ONE difference from the “norm” to castigate. You don’t do it towards anything else. You shouldn’t be scrutinizing me or my community. We haven’t done anything to warrant it. We have the freedom to live our lives without scrutiny, and without having a spotlight on us everywhere we go. You like, like anyone else is afforded. Leave us alone.
BTW
Sexual orientation isn’t a belief, it’s an ORIENTATION. I’ll let you look that word up in the dictionary, so you can educate yourself.
If you can’t handle being called out when you choose to hold a belief that is rapidly becoming socially untenable to hold, then it’s you who should change those beliefs. But, here’s the thing, unlike you, I’m not telling you to choose what to believe. You should get out of the business of telling people what to think.
francine, how do you get off telling the rest of the world to treat you like huma beings( which i'm pretty sure it does
and then turn right around and tell the rest of the world the way it thinks is wrong, that we must accept you or we are bad people. you act like some king or slave owner. you can’t control what is inside people’s heads. no one has to accept your lifestyle choice.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 29, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha, Francine
I see what you did there. Witty.
No, actually, when people like you see people like me like I’m some aberration freak, no, I’m not being treated like you would any other human being. You don’t see me the same way you see any average heterosexual. As for telling “the rest of the world” the way it thinks is wrong, no, I’m telling anti-gays that being anti-gay is wrong, which is what it is. I think I was pretty clear about that.
My sexual orientation isn’t a lifestyle choice. My life isn’t defined by who I have sex with. You’re free to be anti-gay, yeah, you can make that choice. But when you get called out on it, quit crying and acting as if you’re a victim. You made your own bed, so lay in it.
i don't treat you like a hetero because you AREN'T a hetero. i don't think being anti-gay is wrong at all. it is just a difference of opinion
i don’t care what you do, but to have a tiny percent of the population give me grief over my beliefs because it makes them feel insecure grates on my nerves.when you try to manipulate young children into accepting you it raises the bar to a hate level, not because of your lifestyle, but because you are using the power of the government to brainwash people. so really, if you are pro-gay to the point that you feel the need to talk to every kid and tell them their mommy and daddy are wrong for believing the way they do, then i think You are wrong!!! i codemn the political actions of the lgblt hold the mayo community more than the act itself. if you want to go fudgepack a bunchof dudes go at it, but don’t force your preferences on the rest of the world. be secure enough in yourself and just live your life. i don’t have to like everything about you. freedom
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 29, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Brainwashing
Is another excuse made by people of your ilk to garner sympathy because your way of thinking is getting rightly demonized as it’s inspected for what it is. Gay is more accepted these days because everyone is being mind controlled into thinking it’s OK. Right. No-one has a mind of their own. The gays have implanted devices into the heads of heterosexuals to control their very ways of thinking.
Don’t tell me that you don’t care what I do, and then say you’re anti-gay and treat/look at gay people differently that everyone else. People like you are so inconsistent, that’s how I know you’re desperate for approval, you want to have your cake and eat it too. I’m not insecure, I don’t need your approval, you’re not anyone I look up to for support or for anything. But, when you or anyone else says something anti-gay, you’re going to get called out on it. You call it grief, when it’s really simple criticism. Like you said, if you can’t handle criticism for your choice of beliefs, then you shouldn’t hold them. Quit crying about being a victim, you’re not a victim, you make your own choices.
People like you are not allowing me and the people in my community to just “live my life”, because if I can’t live without being scrutinized constantly, then I don’t have the same freedom everyone else has to live their lives without fear of persecution. Homophobia affects everyone, gay and straight. People like you drag down society and are a negative influence. That’s the problem and that’s why more and more people are speaking out. You don’t have to like me and I couldn’t care less, but guess what, I don’t like you either. So please, take your self-important ego down a couple of notches.
oh shit, just look at you bitch 8p
People like you are not allowing me and the people in my community to just "live my life", because if I can’t live without being scrutinized constantly, then I don’t have the same freedom everyone else has to live their lives without fear of persecution.
who is persecuting you. i don’t agree with you. you whiny little weakling. and yes, going after children is brainwashing. it is indoctrination pure and simple. you want total control and acceptance. you must be very insecure. i just want freedom of choice. prepare to be criticized for your homo-fascist views. get ready for the backlash. you queers have pushed to far. in an effort to gain imaginary rights you have trampled the rights of others.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 29, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Need a bottle baby?
All I see is waaah, waaah, stop criticizing me because I choose to be homophobic. You homophobes are getting really testy. Like I said, don’t get mad because your cover has been blown, and the games are changing, I legitimately couldn’t care less about you, calling you out on your garbage is just that, calling you out like a man, and you can’t handle it. You and people like you are persecuting me and my community, as you said yourself by saying how you “scrutinize” the gay community. And you “scrutinize” the Muslim community, and you said they whine about it? No, no-one is whining, the ability to live without scrutiny is something we’re all entitled to, and you’re not willing to give me that opportunity. So, if that’s what you want, a war, which quite frankly, we’re already in one, then that’s what it going to be. We’re already being and have been knocked down, there is absolutely nothing you can do that hasn’t been done, you’re threats are petty, from a clear place of insecurity yourself, while saying I’m the insecure one. The tide is turning, you know it, I know it, it is what it is. Like you have said several times, just live your life, stop caring what everyone else thinks about your bigotry. You made your choice and you have to deal with the consequences of said choice.
all i see is a little boy with daddy issues trying to make the rest of the world like him so he can like himself.
don’t say you don’t care, you obviously do. i care more about your totalitarian group think than your individual gay disfunction. you clearly exist outside of reality. no one persecutes you. you chickenhawks persecute children. you don’t want scrutiny because your propoganda can’t stand up to it. fair enough i guess. but stop playing the victim card. and stop trying to make out everyone who doesn’t thinklike you as evil or backwards.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 29, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Again
I’ll tell you what I care about. I care that people like you whine about being victims, when you’re not a victim. So therefore, get over it. You choose to be anti-gay, you choose the consequences. The reality is, being anti-gay is wrong, take it or leave it. You took it, you take the crap that comes with it. I don’t want scrutiny because I want to be able to live my life without having to answer questions about who and what I am, I want to be able to live in peace, but again, you’re not willing to do that, so you want a fight, that’s what we have now, a fight.
I’m not making you out to be evil and backwards, you are doing that on your own accord.
You whine
Like a little child. Go get your parents to change your diaper and then talk to me. Anyone who says “no-one persecutes” you when they have said “get ready for a backlash against you” isn’t living in reality. But we already knew this already, didn’t we little boy? I’m not a victim, nor will I allow you to make me one, so when I call you out on your crap, expect it, cause I’m not the one to let it slide.
backlash against your tactics francene, your tactics.
get ready, because i am going to call you and your ilk out on it, just like i did on this thread. you live in peace already you whiny bitch. you’re sick because you can’t be happy unless you’re accepted by everyone. well guess what , no one has to accept everything about you. stop acting like a victim. grow the fuck up.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 29, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Waaah, waaah, waaah.
Sorry, but to actually be taken seriously, one has to be educated, knowledgeable, reasonable and have some self-control. Too bad for you, you carry none of those traits. You’re right that I personally live in peace, since I know full-well people like you are completely batshit and you wouldn’t do anything to me, so I have nothing to fear, but my community at large is under siege in this country by homophobic forces, and I’ll be damned if I let you bigots get away with any more damage, because you’re right, I’m not a victim and, you’re right, I don’t need acceptance from all and I’m not asking for it. However, if you choose bigotry, you choose consequences. And to ensure the best life for me and my community if it means people like you have to be run over, so be it. Ironic you tell me to stop acting like a victim but you act like a bride left at the altar because I called you out on what your kind all about.
BTW, your pathetic attempt to twist this discussion……..it ain’t working for you. Trust me, I’ve done my fair share of growing up. Unlike you, I’m not crying like a bitch because my shit got handed back in my face. Next time when you talk to me, make sure you got your ducks in a row. Yeah. I’d get to that if I were you.
francene, you've lost. you joined an mma site just to push a homosexual agenda. your cover is blown.
go home, eat a dick sandwich, and get some sleep. you have chosen your fate. you chose to eat dicks instead of dealing with your uncle touching you. it isn’t my problem and i don’t have to “be cool” with the fact that you do what you do. have a nice life loser, but it will be a cold day in hell before some wierdo like you starts telling me how to raise my kids.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 30, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, and, just to clue you in
I’m not the one who is “accepting” or “not accepting” people for who they are, like I was asked or like it’s a questionnaire, which it isn’t. I’m not the one judging people until they put themselves in the position to be judged. I’m not the one going out of my way to condemn an entire group of people for who they are until they do something to warrant it. And being gay, does not warrant condemnation.
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