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UFC 137's B.J. Penn is too old to talk smack, doesn't need to prove anything anymore

SYDNEY AUSTRALIA - DECEMBER 14: BJ Penn speaks to the media during a UFC 127 Press Conference at Star City on December 14 2010 in Sydney Australia.  (Photo by Mark Nolan/Getty Images)

B.J. Penn is happy.

Heading into the 26th professional mixed martial arts (MMA) fight of his Hall of Fame-worthy career, the soon-to-be 33-year-old "Prodigy" shares his new outlook in a blog for Yahoo!Sports.com. Penn is set to battle Nick Diaz -- a friend and frequent training partner -- in the UFC 137 main event this Saturday night (Oct. 29, 2011) from the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas, Nevada.

Perhaps its their history together, or it really is indeed his experience (or a combination of the two), but the traditionally fiery Hawaiian has been exceptionally quiet. Penn's sharp tongue has been a key factor behind his appeal all these years, whether he was out to teach a "lucky" Jens Pulver a lesson, exact revenge against a heartless Georges St. Pierre or ride a one-dimensional Matt Hughes about his boring fighting style seemingly forever.

The two-time, two-division champion tries to explain his current, newfound perspective:

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"Right now, I feel I got a clean slate with anyone in the sport. I am happy with my career, winning two titles and beating some great fighters, but I also feel I have more to do. I have to get better and I have to show I am as good as people have said I am. I’m getting older. This is a career to me, but fighting is what I live for. As far as having to hate everyone I fight, or proving I can outbox a boxer, or tap out the best BJJ guy, I don’t need to prove that anymore. What I want to do is fight hard, win some big fights and see what happens. I’d like to win the title, but I don’t think about that."

The key here is Penn never really had any true hate. Not if his post-fight actions and/or words are indicators at least. He hugged it out with "Lil Evil," buried the hatchet with "Rush" and trained/shot firearms with Hughes.

Penn's epic trash talk was usually contrived animosity or conflict, emotional nuggets on which he could hang his cap and ultimately use as motivation to get up for fights, as well as help sell them for the benefit of UFC's bottom line. It was brilliant. He was a pioneer, a care-free master of pre-fight hype.

Emphasis on was ... for now, anyway.

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Nothing I disagree with here.

Just get in there and fight, should be the most important thing for every fighter anyway.

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"They're two-deep at the crazy position!" - Kenny "The Jet" Smith.

by Agaliarept on Oct 25, 2011 12:02 AM EDT reply actions  

just makes me worried

With his talk about retiring in 3 years, seems like his heart isn’t in it anymore. I hope I’m wrong and diaz is left on the ground with his euyes rolled in the back of his head

by KCmmaBadBoy on Oct 25, 2011 12:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

cheap bastard.

get a real bandwidth (whatever the hell that is)

Must be present to win.

by arm.bar.bandit on Oct 25, 2011 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

You took advantage...

…that’s fair………………………………………………I’ll go away now

by Starr788 on Oct 25, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

This guyyyy

Mark Hunt's Special Move: Oceanic Heritage! Years ago someone told Polynesian DNA that everyone was surrounded by sea monsters and it believed them. It made humans that were immune to head injuries, fast enough to run on the highway, and big enough to use the carpool lane. Putting two of them in the same ring is like telling your local tectonic plates to fuck themselves.

"I said ‘let me tell you, you’re one punch away from being worth zero’ and I was wrong, he was one triangle choke away from being worth zero." - Dana on Fedor

by Kevin Jennison J. Zametov-St Pierre on Oct 25, 2011 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Must be present to win.

by arm.bar.bandit on Oct 25, 2011 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Arm bar

Please explain this amazing fighting style to me

Fav fighters - Machida, Faber, Koch, Hominick, Pettis, Hardy, Cerrone and killer Cain

by Kalejohncox on Oct 25, 2011 7:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

I don't think you need to worry.

I’m no fan of either fighter but love watching their fight. Diaz and Penn are very exciting fighters but I don’t see where Diaz can take this that it won’t favour Penn. Penn has the better hands, the better BJJ and the better wrestling. Diaz won’t be able to push a style to wear-out Penn because his wild punches will get him KO’d rather easily.

I don’t see this fight getting past the 2minute mark, Penn will catch him early (as everyone who stands with Diaz does) but he will have the skill to finish him off. Expect a nasty KO or a rather easy victory via superior boxing by Penn.

by RayRayJr on Oct 25, 2011 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Diaz throws wild punches?

Penn is going to KO a guy that’s only been stopped a few times forever ago??? Pretty sure Daley hits harder than Penn. as far as the wrestling advantage I’ll give you that but boxing and bjj are much closer than you think.

by emperorj on Oct 25, 2011 8:20 AM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

That Daley fight could have been stopped twice.

"It is himself that a coward abandons first, after that all other betrayals come easily."

by doonerthesooner on Oct 25, 2011 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing to see here... not even newsworthy

They are friends and occasional training partners, they both respect each other’s style and in particular each other’s attitudes.

by Jay Crew on Oct 25, 2011 8:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

kay, maybe i'm just missing something...

…cause I don’t watch the Countdown’s anymore since I follow the MMA news too religiously that it always seems like a recap of what I already knew days and weeks ago, but I don’t recall Penn really talking that much sh*t for his last few fights. Really, I don’t think Edgar or Hughes received much of a tongue lashing at all.

This isn’t much news to me at all. Maybe to others, or maybe I’m missing something, but I knew Penn wouldn’t sh*t talk unless Diaz really got to him, which we all sorta knew, Diaz wouldn’t do that to Penn.

Not trying to be cocky, but does anyone else feel this way, or did I miss/forget a lot of Penn’s recent fight antics?

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by daniel worby on Oct 25, 2011 12:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Well, yeah.....

I think it was quite obvious when beej made a huge deal about how he was “forced” to say he would beat Diaz. I mean, if you’re that big of a bitch to lie and whine about that, it’s safe to say you won’t be talking any shit.

ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."

Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."

ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL

by UFChamp on Oct 25, 2011 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Troll?

I thought trolling meant going off topic to create a stir. Pretty sure my post is directly related to the topic. However, yours is not, therefore making you the troll, sir. Besides, I don’t know why you even bother…..every time we have a disagreement and I spit out facts, you just say something retarded that supposedly summarizes what all the fighters think and then you run along with your tail between your legs. Stop writing checks that your ass can’t cash. If you’re too dumb to debate, stop trying to start debates. Should be easy enough.

And to add further to the topic……BJ’s age has nothing to do with the lack of smack talk. It’s the embarrassment. GSP and Edgar embarrassed his shit-talking ass and I’m sure his words came back to bite him. He’s not interested in that anymore. He’s not all that confident in beating Diaz, which surprises me. I think he’ll win.

ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."

Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."

ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL

by UFChamp on Oct 25, 2011 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, I don't argue with you because you have such a one track mind, it's like talkin politics with you.

You won’t change your mind, won’t bother considering any other side of the story, just hate for BJ fuels your debates which completely diminishes any credibility you try to pass with your argument.

I’ve seen you post on here numerous times, not just with me and everyone does the same thing, just stops talking to you because there is no point, lol. Get a hint, it’s not just me.

And no, I think BJ stopped talking shit exactly for what he said, he’s to old and it’s not his place anymore. Like him or not, BJ is a pioneer for this sport and put this sport on the map, helping in large to make this sport what it is today, and a lot of that had to do with promoting the fights. Which includes, talking shit. There are guys you can just count on to make a fight exciting, before and during the fight. The thing is, BJ haters like you only pay attention to the pre-fight hype and what he says to hype the fight and really take everything from that. If you did as much researching of trying to prove how BJ lost a fight, going in great detail to disprove anything BJ does, try getting on his website or finding out what kind of person BJ really is. Nobody does more for his fans, more for his people, more for his community than BJ penn does, no one. Like I said, you have a one track min that disregards everything good just to point out something wrong. That is why I laugh when I see comments like that because people believe everything they read, everything BJ says that is what they think of it. Did you know the entire time before the sherk fight when everyone was talking about the animosity between sherk and BJ, how they hated eachother, all the shit talking, but really BJ was doing video blogs the whole time of him and sherk hanging out, taking limos together, eating lunch, doing whatever. People really don’t understand that pre-fight hype is just that, hype. promoting.

He doesnt need to do that anymore and that is what he’s talking about. It wasn’t because of Edgar or GSP. He beat Edgar the first time, just got jibbed. He did lose a razor close decision to GSP the first time and the second fight is completely irrelevant because GSP cheated. Like it or not, he cheated. You can argue that with me until your blue in the face but that fight DOES NOT mean anything, one cheated, one didn’t. But again, you won’t change your mind or anything, I already know it’s ok. Ignorance is a powerful thing.

What I mean by trolling, is every chance you getbto bash on BJ, you take it. Which is what you have shown for the past couple weeks. But GSP cheating doesn’t bother you? Weird.

by xMMAxTYSONxMMA on Oct 25, 2011 2:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

LOL

I’m the one who actually backs up my opinions with facts and logic. You just say I’m wrong and that you as well as all fighters know better, while added absolutely nothing except more biased bs. I consider everything that’s logical. I got news for you………..when I’m the one pointing out relevant, accurate shit while you can’t, maybe it’s not my hate causing me to be wrong, but your love. Maybe? Try me……

And of course it’s not just you. I never back down from a debate in which I have a strong opinion with evidence to confirm it. Funny how people always want to argue, yet just when they don’t have anything more to add or to counter my points with, they coincidentally lose interest and end the debate. lol

As for the shit-talking, I don’t remember it all off the top of my head, but I remember him trash-talking edgar before their 2nd fight…..saying he didn’t even care about the belt and that he was just going for edgar…..something like that. Don’t remember about Hughes. But it would suck to mouth a 37-y.o. and then lose to him. For Fitch I just remember saying that he wasn’t going to let him grind him for 3 rounds and that he’s going to be very surprised. For Diaz? He says he’ll beat him, but then lies about being forced to say it! lol Sorry, not buying age as a coincidence. It’s a reality check for Penn. He realizes he’s not god’s gift to mma and that he can lose. And he doesn’t want to look like a moron (i.e. after edgar 2 and ESPECIALLY after gsp 2……FIGHT TO THE DEATH…..I MEAN, I QUIT!). LOL

And I don’t know why you’re telling me all this stuff about BJ behind the scenes. How is that relevant to a word I’m saying? Did I say he was a horrible human being? Did I say he truly hates his opponents? You see, you just rant off with irrelevant shit because you have zero relevant info to share.

Razor close decision? lol It was a clear-as-day decision. Just because one of the judges was a moron doesn’t mean it was truly that close of a fight. Penn clearly took round 1, GSP clearly took the next 2. And lol @ cheating in the 2nd fight. If that was truly cheating AND it significantly affected the fight, they would’ve done an immediate rematch. No one, not even cocky-ass beej, wanted to see that happen. Well, maybe some of his delusional nuthuggers did. L-O-L!!!

Now run away, silly nuthugger.

ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."

Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."

ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL

by UFChamp on Oct 25, 2011 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure BJ wanted that rematch, but the UFC didn't want to do that and hurt the reputation of their golden boy and big marketing man.

it was the first big “superfight” the ufc put together, of course they wouldn’t wast all the money, hype, everything that went into that compensate BJ, even if they should have. It’s the ufc, it’s Dana white, when do they do anything that doesn’t help the ufc in some way? Never. And make that fight a no-contest would’ve done just that, nothing but look bad for the ufc. If you didn’t think that was cheating, you’re delusional. And if that is a debate you want to get into, I’ll GLADLY shut you up. Anyone who sticks up for a cheater is retarded, and that is what GSP did, he cheated. And he GOT CAUGHT, point blank. Getting called out by fighters sitting ringside who were watching it go down, and then called out by the commission, but they don’t tell BJ any of this until after the fight, ya that’s fair. Ya he was planning on fighting to death, and when he said that he ha the impression that the opponent across the ring held the same integrity of the sport and would test skills against skills, not skills against grease. The fact they used it said enough about GSP and his people, showed just how scared they were of BJ and did anything and everything (including cheating) to gain an advantage over him.

As for the sherk talk, it was very relevant seeing that what you wrote was “if you’re that big of a bitch to lie and whine about it” <——that right there. He did not lie about it, or whine about it, you again obviously didn’t watch BJ’s video response to that because it was only up for a bit until the ufc made him take it down because it showed the truth. Just like the primetime show did for BJ/GSP 2, they told BJ to be the mayweather and GSP to be the de la Hoya. And that’s how they promoted the fight, bad guy against good guy. Notice everytime they showed BJ working out it was like circus music playing and soft flutes, when GSP is training it was like rocky music. That was the ufc playing you and you bought into it. That is what I’m saying when I say people believe everything they see in the hype and promoting. BJ knows how the BJ works and knows they would spin it and make it look like BJ was talking shit like they always do, he pointed that out and made a point about it because nick and him are friends, he didn’t want nik to believe the bullshit either. It wasn’t irrelevant, you again just don’t comprehend very well and obviously can’t put two and two together for things to make sense to you.

When we debate and I end with that’s what fighters think, I do that because not all fighters are “nuthugger” (lol) fans of BJ penn like I am, and they say the same thing I do. If everyone was saying the same thing you were including fighters, analysts and such, and only BJ fans were saying this, then you would have a point and you can argue that I’m fueled by bj love and being a BJ nuthugger. But it’s quite the opposite. You and all other BJ haters or GSP lovers say what you say, that’s it. No one else. So don’t you think it’s not my love that makes me wrong, but your hate?  lol. But again, that is quite a lot to comprehend and understand, I wouldnt expect you to understand that.

Like I’ve said before, people who don’t get it, don’t get that they don’t get it. You kiddo, just don’t get it!

by xMMAxTYSONxMMA on Oct 25, 2011 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

wowser.....

Dude, I think they had like a hearing and everything over the greasing shit and the COMMISSION decided that GSP didn’t do anything wrong and they didn’t do anything to him. Get over it. I know that’s the only hope you have for BJ’s waxing, but don’t you think they could’ve had a 3rd match by now if anyone thought the grease made any kind of difference??? lol

And yes, beej did lie about being “forced” to say he’d beat Diaz. Dana released the footage. Remember? That’s what shut beej the fuck up and asked how this all got blown up. It was because his bitch-ass brought it up ! lol And yeah, I’m sure this temporary, top-secret footage you speak of was taken down by beej because he was fine with looking like a bitch-ass liar. And ‘lol’ at you bringing up all this pre-fight crap. I haven’t bought into anything. So are you saying that beej is too old to properly try to hype his fights now? LOL!!! I guess because no one would take him seriously or what? Interesting. You are one delusional fuck, ya know that? Poor beej has all these conspiracy theories all putting him in a bad light. The ufc even forces him to gas so that people won’t like him for not working hard!!! LOL!!!!

I say we actually have a detailed debate on BJ’s career. Let’s compare him to other elite fighters. Let’s not just spout off some bs, claim all fighters agree with u, and just end it. Let’s add some substance……some evidence. I’m guessing you’re not interested, though, are ya, sport???

ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."

Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."

ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL

by UFChamp on Oct 26, 2011 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's the whole point! YOU need a commission to tell you what to believe. I do not.

I know what I saw, I know what went down and I know enough to believe GSP cheated. You really think they weren’t meaning to put grease all over him? Phil nurse, a veteran in The fight game as a fighter, a coach, and a referee, but he didn’t know what he was doing? He knows the rules like the back of his hand and he knew exactly what he was doing. To think otherwise is pure ignorance. But again, coming from you, not much of a surprise.

You obviously have never rolled and trained with someone on the ground understanding how much grease can affect that fight. Chuck Liddell and frank Mir calling GSP out from the crowd. The reason the commission made a move. He got caught, it’s very simple really. How would you feel if you busted your ass training, sacrificed family, friends, all that for months focused on one thing. Then after the fight and after you get your ass beat, you find out your opponent cheated, wouldn’t you be mad? Whether you like how BJ reacted or not, if I put himself in his shoes I’d do the same thing. Again, why this won’t matter and you won’t change your mind, you don’t understand both sides.

It’s not “top-secret” actually. Go to bjpenn.com, go to videos, type release to ufc video response and the video will pull up. An X will show up, You just can’t watch it, ufc made him pull it down. It’s not a conspiracy theory, I just actually research to be sure I know what comes out of my mouth before i go spouting a bunch of shit, jump to conclusions and then look like a dumbass Like you do. I think you really do believe that you are that smart and everyone stops talking to you because you “shut them up” and prove them wrong, that’s whats sad and I feel bad for ya. You think you sound smart but you just come off ass ignorant.

by xMMAxTYSONxMMA on Oct 26, 2011 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Get over it.

If beej is half as good as you probably think he is, he would’ve earned another title shot against GSP. Or he will in the near future. Then what’s your excuse going to be for him losing? I guess that leaves the popular “he wasn’t motivated enough,” “it was a bad decision,” or “he’s past his prime” responses.

And you’ve made it clear that you want no part of breaking down BJ’s career and analyzing it compared to other elite mma fighters. I can tell you that if I felt strongly that one of my favorite fighters was elite and not overrated, I’d have the sack and the brain to back it up. Obviously you don’t. Maybe you should consider why that is. Maybe you’ll wake up and realize how delusional you are.

ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."

Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."

ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL

by UFChamp on Oct 26, 2011 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

I will have no excuse if he fights GSP again and loses.

Id be rooting for BJ but i just want to see an even fight, let skills decide the outcome. I’ll be happy if GSP goes in there and whoops BJ’s ass and it’s a fair fight. I’d be happy. But knowing BJ got his ass whooped and GSP cheated during the fight, that irritates me. Might not bug you but integrity in the sport, especially mma is vitally important. When something like that happens, it slaps integrity in the face. You’re obviously ok with that, I’m not.

Dude, you keep bringing up this argument like I’m “afraid” to get into it with you. It’s just a pointless argument. We can take days and days to break down careers but what’s it going to do? Nothing. You won’t change your mind, neither will I. I just avoid pointless conversations. Let’s just agree to disagree on this one. BJ haters and GSP lovers like yourself can believe what you wanna believe, the rest of the world and myself will do the same.

by xMMAxTYSONxMMA on Oct 26, 2011 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually,

I’m a GSP liker and a Penn disliker. What I love are facts and logic. That’s why I don’t say retarded shit out of my ass based on bias.

And I like how you’re willing to discuss and go on and on with just about everything except BJ’s legacy. Funny how that works. If you ever get the balls, I’m game. Also, Liddell and GSP are a couple of my favorite fighters. If you want to try and claim either of them are overrated, which some may, I’ll gladly do the defending. I can take facts and logic to back up how great they are. Not just say all fighters know better. ;)

ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."

Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."

ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL

by UFChamp on Oct 26, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

GSP- is. Liddell - was. BJ- is and is not done.

People forget BJ is only 33. He can fight for awhile still. Liddells done. He’s not overrated because he is right where he’s supposed to be, the bottom.

by xMMAxTYSONxMMA on Oct 27, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm talking legacy-wise, not currently, obviously

Chuck’s retired, incase you haven’t heard.

I just know that I could never be a fan of someone who oozes the arrogance to claim he wants to win the belt in every weight division, yet can’t hang onto the LW belt for more than 3 defenses.

You can hang onto the thought of a cornerman having a little bit of grease on his hands and touching GSP’s back the rest of your life. Whatever helps you get by as a Penn fan. lol

Every knowledgeable and unbiased fan knows it made zero difference. Penn would lose 10 out of 10 matches to GSP. He couldn’t even beat Fitch!

ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."

Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."

ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL

by UFChamp on Oct 27, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who's beat fitch other than GSP? A guy like 6 years ago?

who has fitch beat? Everyone he’s faced Except GSP and BJ.

And that’s fine, like I said, I’ll happily be a fan of a guy who is “arrogant” or whatever you want to call him instead of being a fan of a cheater like yourself. And no, if you ask anyone and everyone, they’ll tell you the same thing, GSP cheated. The thing is people don’t care because 9-10 times GSP beats BJ, like you said. No one argues he cheated except BJ haters and GSP nuthuggers like yourself. Wake up.

And that’s the point, it doesn’t what you think 10-10 times would happen, we don’t know until they fight a fair fight. If they fought again I would definitely say GSP would win, but I’d still be going for BJ and I would hope he wins. The thing is, if he’s going to get his ass whooped I want it to be fair in square, not with cheating involved.

I’ll stand behind BJ and whatever names you wanna call him because there is one thing you can’t call him, a cheater. Can’t say the same thing about GSP. And as a fan, I’m proud to say that. If standing behind a cheater is what you like, cool. Everyones different. Just not me.

by xMMAxTYSONxMMA on Oct 28, 2011 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

9-10 times GSP beats BJ, like you said

actually, I said:

Penn would lose 10 out of 10 matches to GSP

And forgive me for not giving props to BJ for the draw with Fitch. As I’ve debated several times, that match should’ve clearly been a 29-27 decision victory for Fitch.

And yes……BJ has cheated. Each and every time he shows up to the octagon in anything but his best possible shape and gasses, he cheats all fans, especially his, out of a performance which could’ve been better. I’ll gladly take GSP’s side in which there was a little bit of grease controversy over that any time.

ANS: "Since gaining back mount is the most dominating position you can achieve it holds alot of weight.....Also taking down Fitch seems to be very difficult and holds alot of weight."

Me: "I agree it's an important position, but for 10 seconds with nothing coming from it but a reversal? I guess you would have to give Fitch major points for reversing the most dominant position from such an excellent BJJ fighter!....And I don’t think it makes much sense to add bonus points for taking someone down, just because he has good TD defense, as you can see by my sarcastic point about reversing back position against BJ. Very silly point by you and not very objective at all."

ANS:.............nada........speechless! LOL

by UFChamp on Oct 28, 2011 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

You shouldn't be trying to defend how he's overrated but rather maybe underrated if you're a fan.

BJ doesn’t need to cheat. That’s more than GSP can say am all stand by that as a fan forever. Don’t ask me why I’m a fan of a loud mouth, runs out of gas easily Hawaiin and I won’t ask why you’re a fan of a cheater. Simple.

by xMMAxTYSONxMMA on Oct 27, 2011 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

he ’buried the hatchet w/ GSP?

by Phil Baloni on Oct 25, 2011 1:41 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

that's baloney

sent his mother to do it and she couldn’t get the job done either

by charlyw on Oct 25, 2011 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is gonna be a good scrap

But Pemm doesnt want to talk crap cause he knows hes going to lose

Follow me @Elite_Stone for accurate fight predictions. Get that money meng!

by ogk on Oct 25, 2011 2:21 AM EDT reply actions  

penn

Follow me @Elite_Stone for accurate fight predictions. Get that money meng!

by ogk on Oct 25, 2011 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Or their friends and have a lot of respect for eachother.

But unlike other “friends” they WILL fight eachother, just don’t need to talk shit because it is pointless. I love how many people are picking Diaz, I can’t wait to see this forum after this fight. People are going to be surprised.

by xMMAxTYSONxMMA on Oct 25, 2011 2:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

bj is gonna hurt diaz on the feet

BJ is coming into this with something to prove.. the fitch fight
was a shit-stain….he needs to come out sharp and make a
statement..

formerly ZuffaAttacks

by somnium on Oct 25, 2011 3:07 AM EDT reply actions  

This will be UFC 79 Liddell vs. Silva all over again. No one is going out and someone gets the decision.

"with a good physique and explosiveness anybody can perform a takedown"
-RoBerto

by Lesnar's striking coach on Oct 25, 2011 8:46 AM EDT reply actions  

it comes down to 2 thing

1. Does bj still have the fire and the will to do what everyone knows that he is capable of doing…
2. Can nick hang with the higher competition in the ufc?

So either penn still has the fire and shows that he’s leagues ahead of diaz or
Penn shows that his desire for the sport isn’t what it use to be and diaz picks him apart
Or my favorite- bj penn still has the fire, nick diaz shows that he can hang with the best and we have an all out war!
Still rooting for bj no matter what

by KCmmaBadBoy on Oct 25, 2011 8:53 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I really hope it’s the third option. I love a good war.

by The Ruiner on Oct 25, 2011 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

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