'Killer' coach: St. Pierre injury puts Carlos Condit in a 'better position' for GSP fight
by Jesse Holland on Oct 24, 2011 11:15 AM EDT
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Carlos Condit has time on his side.
That's because the UFC welterweight number one contender will be riding the pine until early 2012 following an injury to reigning division champion Georges St. Pierre, who was forced to withdraw from their UFC 137 title fight originally booked for Oct. 29 in Las Vegas.
There are, perhaps, two schools of thought moving forward.
Instead of cramming for the big exam, Condit can now revisit several different aspects of his training camp that may have been glossed over during initial preparations. Then again, it's been said that a knife can only be sharpened for so long before it becomes dull.
"The Natural Born Killer's" striking coach, Mike Winkeljohn, is choosing the former (via Sherdog.com):
"Maybe it’s a blessing in disguise. We had a game plan. We felt real good with it, but Chris Luttrell and I were talking about some things we’d like to see Carlos do, but we figured it was too late to even try to implement those things because the fight’s coming up and you can only fill your fighter’s head with so much information. In a way, now we can come up with a couple of more things to put us in a couple of better positions for this fight."
Condit's biggest hurdle to clear will be the Canadian's wrestling.
St. Pierre has baffled many had-hitting sluggers en route to easy unanimous decision wins, including Thiago Alves at UFC 100 and Dan Hardy at UFC 111. He's also demonstrated a superior jab when paired against another offensive wrestler in Josh Koscheck at UFC 124.
Can the extra time to prepare give Condit the necessary skills to upset the champ? Or is St. Pierre just too good to be defeated by the former WEC titleholder?
What are your thoughts on St. Pierre vs. Condit, take two?
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Give him time to rest and restart the peaking phase again.
Should make the fight more interesting and better for Condit and even GSP who gets a better challenge..
Listen, guys. You can take all these guys with their eighth education and their gold teeth trying to sit around and break down a fight. This is the most unsophisticated and un-well-thoughtout thing you need to do in life. Two half-naked men are gonna get in a steel cage and fight for the applause of a drunken rowdy crowd in Houston, Texas, on a Saturday night. We don't need to plan for this.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Oct 24, 2011 11:22 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
It gives them both time to gameplan a little more
Nothing wrong with that. Im looking forward to this fight. I hope it is competitive. I like both of the fighters so I wont care about who is the winner. GSP will probably keep the belt, but it would be nice to see Condit as the champ just to mix things up
enzo
by enzo-enormous on Oct 24, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
GSafeP's gameplan:
Takedown; top control; take no chances and inflict no damage; repeat in rounds 2-5. Didn’t need 4 extra months to come up with that.
When a Texan decides to take his chances, you know chances will be taken.
This makes no sense
Name one opponent that gsp has inflicted no damage while only controlling from top position?
by flying triangle on Oct 24, 2011 3:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dan Hardy
Hardy didn’t look like he had been beat on for 5 rounds even tho he was dominated.
by emperorj on Oct 24, 2011 3:51 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
No, but given how much grief gsp got for not securing those submissions, it is pretty clear he was passing guard and slapping on sub attempts. Definitely not just holding and controlling. And dan is the only persons face who wasn’t visibly pounded in after being under gsp.
by flying triangle on Oct 24, 2011 4:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
fair enough.
My thing is if GSP is that good why are “lesser fighters” finishing opponents GSP couldn’t finish? For example Hardy finished by Condit and Shields finished by Ellenberger.
I believe the answer is because he plays it too safe and lost his killer instinct. He’ll go done as one of the best ever for sure, but his legacy will be tarnished for lack of finishes as champion IMO.
by emperorj on Oct 24, 2011 8:06 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
I agree...sort of
I can’t argue that He plays it safe. I just hate when people say he lays and prays. What he does is fight in whatever area he has a distinct advantage, and what is unpredictable.
I think that at least part of the reason that gsp can’t finish guys that other people can is that those play it scared when they are in there with gsp. For example, I don’t think you’d see hardy get that close for an exchange with gsp because he would be too afraid of the takedown. So he keeps extra distance to avoid the shoot, and makes it harder for gsp to get into an exchange.
IMO, that’s at least part of the reason, but I’m an admitted gsp fan.
by flying triangle on Oct 25, 2011 1:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
But at the same time hinders GSP because of the time he has to take to rehabilitate. I'm sure GSP is the type of guy who is never out of shape.
Ideally, I would like to see them both at their best for their fight.
wait!... who said that?!?
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by daniel worby on Oct 24, 2011 1:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have to say...
I rarely if ever go against GSP in a fight but I honestly think Carlos can do this.
Chael Sonnen is Right
If Nick Diaz gets past BJ he will get the title shot.
Didn't realize that Chael set up all the fights
Nick Diaz - Undisputed 2011 No-show Champion
by hairybumcrack on Oct 24, 2011 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
There's a lot you don't realize about Chael.
When a Texan decides to take his chances, you know chances will be taken.
i think so too
Sig Bet Record
3-3
Sig bet with TheDragon on Rua/Hendo and Fedor/Monson. HENDO/FEDOR
Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat
Kampmann beat Condit because he was able to get him down and stay on top. MacDonald took Condit down. Ellenberger took Condit down. Kim took Condit down.
See a pattern?
Yeah but
He beat Ellenberger, destroyed Kim and pulped McDonald……I know I know GSP gets him down and it’s a tougher task but……
by Clive Barnes on Oct 24, 2011 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Jake Shields
condit wasn’t able to beat jake shields who is a poor man’s version of GSP in takedowns and grappling, so if he couldn’t get it done with shields i don’t see him getting it done with a much better version of jake shields.
Yur rite noway condit cud have gotten better in the 10 years since he lost 2 shields.
No escaping pain
You belong to me
Clinging on to life
By the skin o' my teeth
So wut condit still came back 2 beat all their asses & has looked better everytime he steps in the cage.
No escaping pain
You belong to me
Clinging on to life
By the skin o' my teeth
He lost to Kampmann
The decision against Ellenberger was controversial, as was the stoppage of MacDonald with only a few seconds remaining in a fight Condit was losing.
The point is that the man in question has a history of being taken down, even by fighters that are not considered wrestlers first (Kampmann and MacDonald). GSP will get him down, will control him, and we will be treated to 25 minutes of GSP not finishing. Again.
He nearly decapitited McDonald in that fight...
Did you see the beating he took in the 3rd, in fact it should have been stopped earlier…nothing controversial there
by Clive Barnes on Oct 24, 2011 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea I dont feel that it was controversial at all
Condit pulled it out… props to him for that. Rory is a tough kid that will probably be the champ someday…
Condit has grit and can finish a fight at anytime
enzo
by enzo-enormous on Oct 24, 2011 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
He's just got this habit of derailing hype machines.
Woooooo ellenburgers debut…blam!
Woooooo dan hardy’s striking…pow!
Woooooo rory mcdonald is the next big thing…whack!
Woooooo The stun gun is the next NEXT big thing…crash!
Woooooo gsp cant be beat…(insert batman-esque sound effect here)
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
"Fez!"
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
"SQUIRT!"
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
I slept with faith and found a corpse in my arms on awakening; I drank and danced all night with doubt and found her a virgin in the morning.
The sin which is unpardonable is knowingly and wilfully to reject truth, to fear knowledge lest that knowledge pander not to thy prejudices.
Ah snap, ah snap. Come to my macaroni party and take a nap.
I thought it was a good stoppage
but there are those that don’t, especially with less than 10 ticks on the clock.
10-8 Mac
10-9 Mac
10-8 Condit.
In the alternate MMA universe where I can do whatever I want. Oh yeah, Arlovski never tries a flying knee, Matt Sera never lands his ear punch on GSP, and Evan Tanner comes to my house for beers instead of walking off into the desert.
Have you been at the Cecil Peoples school of refereeing?
Nick Diaz - Undisputed 2011 No-show Champion
by hairybumcrack on Oct 24, 2011 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the decision lost 2 kamp was controversial.
Condit was working non stop from the bottom wile kmap was holding on for dear life.
No escaping pain
You belong to me
Clinging on to life
By the skin o' my teeth
I hate those fights man...
Guida vs pettis
Torres vs mighty mouse
condit vs camp-man
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
Fitch vs. ________
not my rules man, I just follow them.
But they do make sense as failed submission attempts are just that, failures. Would a fighter get rewarded for failed takedown attempts? Only if you are Munoz fighting Okami.
What I don’t understand about these good bottom fighters is why they don’t practice sweeps and reversals more. They would honestly be better served, in MMA anyway, to learn to get out from under people than 15 ways to set up a triangle attempt. At the highest level, submissions from the back are rare, unless you are Chael Sonnen.
Exactly!
Man i totally agree. I fight here in the UK, so theres not too much wrestling going on. So i rely heavy on my jiu jitsu. I’ve only JUST started training wrestling hard to close that gap.
But what i do in the meantime is sweeps. Every wrestler I work against in training i’m able to reverse, good guys aswell. Though my first MMA fight even though i practically instantly swept every takedown attempt and beat the guy on the feet (when he unwisely chose to stand a few seconds), i still fought to a draw because of the takedowns, even though he hit me like…4-5 times with no power in 3 rounds…!
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
That is horrible
you should write a fanpost leading into your next fight. That one dude’s (AK) was awesome to read.
Yeah i know
I’m fighting this weekend, muay thai only though. Next MMA one i will for sure.
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
Look up aaron ramos vs patrick jalloh on youtube.
i’m the taller white dude. Not a bad first effort I think.
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
Respect
Good stuff man. 9-0 Muay Thai?? Fucking killer.
A couple of things.
Your somersault to side control was awesome, but I can’t believe the ref stood you up from side control after those knees were crushing him.
That cage was TINY.
The announcers are garbage. In the third round after you swept him like 5 times…“We haven’t seen much of Ramos’ jiu jitsu or wrestling in this fight”.
What weight class are you fighting in? 170 185? It seems like you could drop to the next class below you with more dedication to dieting. Not always easy, but with your length, it seems you would be brutal.
Amazing first effort. Especially since that guy you fought looks like he is 30 and they really talked him up before and during the first round. Thanks fro sharing. You should post this in a fanpost. For real. There is nothing better than the real life MMA posts on here. You would be professional fighter #7 on this site.
Thanks man
Yeah man they just made stuff up haha! I’ve actually had 19 muay thai fights…they got it way wrong, And i’m 16-3 in that. Only ever lost by decision, never been knocked out/down or anything, just made daft mistakes in regards to points lol.
I’m 170 and 6ft3 with 76 inch reach. So i could probably do 155. But i dont have a proper gym, i do muay thai, BJJ, (and wrestling now). Working 9-6 isnt too bad but i can only train in the evenings. However, i’ve moved offices now and am 10 mins away from London Shootfighters so i’ll get in there come the end of this month (payday haha!).
Every body says the same about the side control/knees thing… I think a draw was fair but i could have edged round 2 aswell, based on damage etc. You should check out his other fights, he was 3-0 before me, smashed guys. lol
I might give that fanpost thing a go. Cheers man.
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
so the black dude is Aaron Ramos?
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
I slept with faith and found a corpse in my arms on awakening; I drank and danced all night with doubt and found her a virgin in the morning.
The sin which is unpardonable is knowingly and wilfully to reject truth, to fear knowledge lest that knowledge pander not to thy prejudices.
Ah snap, ah snap. Come to my macaroni party and take a nap.
Haha, good point!
But hey cut me some slack, end of a 9 hour shift…!
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
6'3"...you would be hard pressed to get to 155 and stay there.
better off concentrating on adding upper body strength and taking some lumps from guys that are a bit stronger at first.
You need to get fights where you can use knees/elbows to the head, ala Ben Saunders.
Seriously man, good luck in your endeavors and post your shit.
Will do man cheers!
I’ll keep an eye out for you round here too bro.
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
Failed takedowns get rewarded all the time, and certain shroom-popping announcers expect them to be rewarded, especially when they involve a certain hero of his. How many times has a fight essentially been a stalemate along the fence with one guy trying for a TD and failing with the other guy landing numerous but ultimately ineffective strikes while defending and said announcer calls this “imposing his will.”
When a Texan decides to take his chances, you know chances will be taken.
exactly...
if his “will” was to take you down, and he failed, surely the guy on the fence is the “imposer”…right?
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
Trying to take your opponent down is an offensive move.
Fail or not, it has much more value than someone just defending. Defense keeps you alive but doesn’t get you the win.
No Chance for Condit
Who are we all kidding? Condit doesn’t stand a chance against GSP, all he will be banking on for is getting a connected shot to GSP which is easier said than done, he won’t be able to grapple or take GSP down, and GSP will be able to take Condit down and most likely win another decision victory quite comfortably as he’s done with koscheck shields, the last fighter who GSP faced who was known as having strong hands for knock out power was thiago alves and how’d that turn out? Diaz too has no chance against GSP, all Diaz has is striking, there’s no way he’s going to be able to defend GSP’s takedowns. The only guy i see with a chance against GSP is anthony johnson, he’s big strong, has good wrestling, and if he can build on a win of 2 more fights over the next year then he could pose a threat to GSP sometime in 2013, other than that i don’t see any contenders, maybe John Fitch should be given a second opportunity and see how that goes.
You talk as if GSP was super human????
People spoke of Fedor like that too ya know…
by Clive Barnes on Oct 24, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
When GSP starts fighting Hong Man Choi and Matt Lindland in his prime, call me.
otherwise you are comparing The Tubby Russian to Superman.
Fedor is no GSP
He’s not even 0.25% GSP. Fedor would lose to Tim Silvia.
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by hairybumcrack on Oct 24, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Like the time when him and Time Sylvia fought
Just like that?
enzo
by enzo-enormous on Oct 24, 2011 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Fail
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
Fail to bumcrack btw, not you enzo.
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
I'm talking now - not the past
I was only kidding but it isn’t too far off the truth as Fedor was overrated. Fighting guys that weren’t in their prime. I guess that Kos and Penn should have been given title fights as they both beat Hughes and he was a former champ.
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by hairybumcrack on Oct 24, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Fedor would still blast Tim, downhill slide or no.
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
Do you think he can beat Brock?
Nick Diaz - Undisputed 2011 No-show Champion
by hairybumcrack on Oct 24, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
hmmmmmmmmmmm
Brock’s a wild card to me. He’s got mad ability, but mentally weak. He might be able to put a big foot style stomping on fedor. Then again fedor might just charge at him a la tim sylvia and brock would freak out and break. No clue there. Thats why I love this sport. Very few sure things.
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
Difference with those two is
Gsp goes 25 mins straight without fighting and wins
Fedor went over 25 straight fights and fought his way to victory. They weren’t world beaters but they were professional fighters . I’m not a big fedor fan but gsp gets way too much praise for what he does and the belief that he is so good is kinda of funny cause the only thing he shows he’s better at is laying on people .
And I don’t want to hear about the jab against kos , every fighter should be able to jab .
Gsp is the definition of playing it safe , he doesn’t even dominate anymore
"When swinging from nut-sack of the mighty "Quittin" Rampage Jackson, try to avoid getting his ball-sweat in your eyes….it tends to blind you from the obvious. Now, if I could just play a round of golf with my dream foursome of Chael Sonnen, Larry Merchant and Danago, I can die a happy man."
by wooly shambler on Oct 24, 2011 12:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
IOTW
‘Idiot’
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by daniel worby on Oct 24, 2011 1:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I hate GSP, but this is the dumbest thing I have read in a while
Gsp goes 25 mins straight without fighting and wins
"Every time I win a title somewhere, Dana has to buy the company to get me back." - Hendo
everyone's card gets pulled at some point
Everyone.
Condit isn’t the one to do it, unfortunately.
Then again the oracle was wrong about neo ;)
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by *Californication* on Oct 24, 2011 12:42 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Dude, funny you should say that...
Last night here in the UK at the royal albert hall, they played the matrix on a huge screen. Difference was, the soundtrack was played by a live orchestra, pretty sick night.
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
off topic i know...sorry guys.
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
SHE WAS NOT!
She only told him what he needed to hear. How many times am I gonna have to explain that to you people?
GSP is super human
he is unstoppable in the welterweight division, nobody can stop him, just look at his record and how easily he has been winning his last fights against THE TOP WELTERWEIGHTS OF THE WORLDS: jake shields, koscheck, fitch, bj penn, alves, this guy has beaten all of the top welterweight contenders out there, this fight will be no different, condit will be hyped up as the ‘killer’ lol to make it seem like he has a chance, just like they did with all of the other fighters whom GSP easily beat. diaz will be an evan easier proposition than condit, diaz poses ZERO threat to GSP.
Jake sheilds gave him a run for his money standing up for 25 minutes.
Nuff said.
No escaping pain
You belong to me
Clinging on to life
By the skin o' my teeth
haha he didnt give anyone that night a run for their money
Even a one eyed GSP
enzo
by enzo-enormous on Oct 24, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
NBK for the win ...
This is good for Carlos, bad for GSP
Condit can “better prepare” for Georges, while GSP “mentally” will be affected by the whole ordeal
I was always picking CC for the win, now even moreso ..
I'm pulling for cro cop 2 but idk.
Big country can take a fuckin shot. I want 2 see him eat a LHK fro
Mirko.
No escaping pain
You belong to me
Clinging on to life
By the skin o' my teeth
Plus, BC trained in the cemetery
and wants to know what its like to eat the LHK.. could be interesting
enzo
by enzo-enormous on Oct 24, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
no one knows what its like
They dont remember…!
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
cspred was talking about 'CC' as in Carlos Condit
Sorta like his whole comment was about Condit, d*locc. Not Crocop.
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