UFC 137: Will Nick Diaz ask BJ Penn to stop being a sissy and fight?
by Jesse Holland on Oct 18, 2011 1:57 PM EDT
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Former Strikeforce Welterweight Champion Nick Diaz loves to fight (duh).
It should come as no surprise then, that anytime he's inside the cage you can expect a litany of taunts, including his patented celestial bench-press (two arms up and down towards the sky) or a garbled mess of muffled shit-talking.
Whatever it takes, he just wants you to engage.
That's according to friend and teammate Gilbert Melendez, who shares the Cesar Gracie training academy with the hostile hospital heavy as he prepares for a UFC 137 mash-up opposite B.J. Penn on Oct. 29 in Las Vegas.
"Every time you watch Nick Diaz, you're about to see a fight and you can't guarantee that with all these matches. A lot of people treat this as a sparring session or they could be a little boring, but when you see Nick Diaz, he's there to fight and you're gonna see a full-on exciting fight. The guy comes at you to fight; not to win on the scorecards and not to win the points, but to come out and finish the fight. He'll test your heart, he'll test your chin, and he'll test everything about you. If you try to stall him out, he'll talk you into a fight. He'll tell you ‘stop being a sissy, fight me.'"
Come at him, bro.
Diaz was originally booked to fight Georges St. Pierre for the 170-pound title, but after blowing off consecutive media junkets, White yanked him from the "Sin City" main event in favor of Carlos Condit, who was originally set to challenge "The Prodigy."
After pasting Matt Hughes at UFC 123 back in Nov. 2010, Penn battled Jon Fitch to a disappointing draw at UFC 127 earlier this year. The Hawaiian grappler, who has some of the best hands in the business, has been criticized for many things throughout his illustrious career.
Being a sissy isn't one of them.
What say you, Maniacs? How well do these two match-up? Jiu-jitsu, chin, hands, who gets the advantage in these departments and why?
Sound off!
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"Stop being a sissy, fight me"
Nice sugarcoating on Gils part. Id probably die of laughter if i ever saw a Nick Diaz fight where he called someone a sissy.
Going to church doesnt make you any more Christian than standing in a garage makes you a car.
This guy can't talk crap to ANYONE.
Who is the sissy.
Guy A: Steps into the cage to fight someone professionally and fights a tactical and to some a slow paced fight.
Buy B: Backs out of 2 press conferences and is scared to show up.
"I have come to believe that a great teacher is a great artist
and that there are as few as there are any other great artists.
Teaching might even be the greatest of the arts
since the medium is the human mind and spirit."
by Edgecrusher71 on Oct 18, 2011 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions
He always shows up on fight night.
Remember, nothing is out of reach. Develop a plan, work the process, and achieve your goals. Begin, now!
Doesn't matter.
If I ALWAYS show up for my job to do actual work and we had a meeting for a presentation I was heading up with another co-worker and then I missed two major meetings leading up to the presentation without a call or cause. I would expect my boss to pull me from the presentation.
"I have come to believe that a great teacher is a great artist
and that there are as few as there are any other great artists.
Teaching might even be the greatest of the arts
since the medium is the human mind and spirit."
by Edgecrusher71 on Oct 18, 2011 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats a horrible comparison.
It's nice to be nice to the nice.
by RandyCouture'sDivorceLawyer on Oct 18, 2011 3:32 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The point remains weather you like the comparrison or not.
Dude can’t be trusted to perform when you fail to show up to the meetings about the performance. Who cares what you history is when you are currently acting up. You are only as good as your last showing and not showing up tells ya something then doesn’t it?
"I have come to believe that a great teacher is a great artist
and that there are as few as there are any other great artists.
Teaching might even be the greatest of the arts
since the medium is the human mind and spirit."
by Edgecrusher71 on Oct 18, 2011 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
If you don’t show up to work another kid will serve the burgers. Fortunately in MMA we pay to watch nick fight.
by danago on Oct 18, 2011 4:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mania must be doing well to pay your phone bill for all the texting to your own site.
You should just use your real profile and stop trolling.
We're only months away from the triumphant return of the Predator. The MW division will never be the same again.
But Dana pays him to fight AND promote the brand.
We don’t pay the fighter, we pay Dana and the Fertitta brothers. It may suck in some people’s minds but that’s the way it is.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Oct 18, 2011 4:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Actually,
I pay Charter. They pay the UFC. It continues to trickle down from there…
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Exactly!
Many people would pay to watch any number of people but in the end it is a PROFESSIONAL sport and you need to act accordingly, you know, like a professional.
"I have come to believe that a great teacher is a great artist
and that there are as few as there are any other great artists.
Teaching might even be the greatest of the arts
since the medium is the human mind and spirit."
by Edgecrusher71 on Oct 18, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You said he's scared to show up.
I said he always shows up on fight night.
I understand his obligations and he’s getting punished for not showing up to the press functions. But the fact that he didn’t show up to the conferences, does in no way prove that he’s afraid to show up. He’s never no showed a fight.
Remember, nothing is out of reach. Develop a plan, work the process, and achieve your goals. Begin, now!
Yes it does prove he is scared to show up, to a press conference. If not showing up to fight means you are scared to fight then not showing up to a press conference means you are scared of that.
Scared is Scared homie, it just depends of what.
"I have come to believe that a great teacher is a great artist
and that there are as few as there are any other great artists.
Teaching might even be the greatest of the arts
since the medium is the human mind and spirit."
by Edgecrusher71 on Oct 18, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Alright, I'll give you that.
I took it as you meant he was scared to show up for the fight.
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I can see how it can be taken that way, this is a forum dedicated to fighting lol.
What I am saying is he can’t get pissy about someone being “scared” or “a sissy” when he backs out of shit he is supposed to do.
"I have come to believe that a great teacher is a great artist
and that there are as few as there are any other great artists.
Teaching might even be the greatest of the arts
since the medium is the human mind and spirit."
by Edgecrusher71 on Oct 18, 2011 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
yup
I have officially seen the light, which Melvin Guillard has not seen due to all the Cocaine abuse which has clouded his ego over the years, Now I know that Lance Storm is definitely one of the smartest man to ever grace this website.
BJ will put him away.
Diaz isnt UFC level, ppl need to come to grips with that. He’s been off beating up bums who cant even get contracts in the UFC.
Listen, guys. You can take all these guys with their eighth education and their gold teeth trying to sit around and break down a fight. This is the most unsophisticated and un-well-thoughtout thing you need to do in life. Two half-naked men are gonna get in a steel cage and fight for the applause of a drunken rowdy crowd in Houston, Texas, on a Saturday night. We don't need to plan for this.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Oct 18, 2011 2:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
bj has 1 win in his past 4 fights
Yea he looked good beating up diego but so did hathaway and kampman,Joe Stevenson has been fired,kenny florian sux,sherk is alright I guess but ok
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by infinite on Oct 18, 2011 3:19 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
How many ppl have had the success he had against fitch???
Minus round 3. Only two men – GSP and willy G. maybe mike pierce. And none of the men you mentioned came to bang! Diaz will!
Listen, guys. You can take all these guys with their eighth education and their gold teeth trying to sit around and break down a fight. This is the most unsophisticated and un-well-thoughtout thing you need to do in life. Two half-naked men are gonna get in a steel cage and fight for the applause of a drunken rowdy crowd in Houston, Texas, on a Saturday night. We don't need to plan for this.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Oct 18, 2011 3:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Didn't Fitch lose his first fight?
And Jeff Joslin was fucking killing him.
Both of those fights are old, though.
We're only months away from the triumphant return of the Predator. The MW division will never be the same again.
damn forgot about Jeff.
Man it’s been years since i’ve heard that name.
Listen, guys. You can take all these guys with their eighth education and their gold teeth trying to sit around and break down a fight. This is the most unsophisticated and un-well-thoughtout thing you need to do in life. Two half-naked men are gonna get in a steel cage and fight for the applause of a drunken rowdy crowd in Houston, Texas, on a Saturday night. We don't need to plan for this.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Oct 19, 2011 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions
He's from around me
I won’t forget how he was owning Fitch until the two time-outs Fitch was granted for getting punched in the face too hard.
We're only months away from the triumphant return of the Predator. The MW division will never be the same again.
his boss thinks so
I have officially seen the light, which Melvin Guillard has not seen due to all the Cocaine abuse which has clouded his ego over the years, Now I know that Lance Storm is definitely one of the smartest man to ever grace this website.
Remember Dana trashing him?
We're only months away from the triumphant return of the Predator. The MW division will never be the same again.
I remember Dana calling him a choker, never saying he sucks.
Remember, nothing is out of reach. Develop a plan, work the process, and achieve your goals. Begin, now!
Read between the lines
We're only months away from the triumphant return of the Predator. The MW division will never be the same again.
^this
I have officially seen the light, which Melvin Guillard has not seen due to all the Cocaine abuse which has clouded his ego over the years, Now I know that Lance Storm is definitely one of the smartest man to ever grace this website.
I remember him calling him a choker
and I also remember him repeating over and over again how talented he is
I don't know, Marge. Trying is the first step towards failure.
Isn't a choker someone that sux at something?
He sucks at winning.
You can’t call someone a choker and think they don’t suck at something.
We're only months away from the triumphant return of the Predator. The MW division will never be the same again.
He loses when there is too much on the line.
He’s as good of a gate keeper as there ever will be. He doesn’t suck, he just doesn’t win when it really counts.
Remember, nothing is out of reach. Develop a plan, work the process, and achieve your goals. Begin, now!
He sucks at winning?
So it was a complete fluke that he beat Nunes, Guida, Lauzon, Huerta, Gomi, Stevenson …
“Isn’t a choker someone that sux at something” So because you suck at ONE thing you suck overall?
Remember Dana saying how he thinks Kenny is talented?
I don't know, Marge. Trying is the first step towards failure.
Are you splitting hairs on me?
He said he’s a choker. That is a compliment.
Maybe Dana didn’t say he sucks because he didn’t use those exact words. But he basically said “Kenny isn’t good enough to win a title because he’s a choker”. He’s not saying Kenny sucks at life or fighting. He said Kenny sucks at big-time fights.
Enough with the talking in circles.
We're only months away from the triumphant return of the Predator. The MW division will never be the same again.
The original statement was
“Kenny sux” Now that to me sounds like an overall fighting ability statement. Then you said his boss thinks so. How could I not take that to mean overall in fighting. He has called Kenny a choker in big fights, he’s also called Kenny very talented and special. You’re selectively choosing what Dana has said about Kenny in the past and ignoring other things he’s said.
I don't know, Marge. Trying is the first step towards failure.
wrong
Then you said his boss thinks so.
his boss thinks so
I have officially seen the light, which Melvin Guillard has not seen due to all the Cocaine abuse which has clouded his ego over the years, Now I know that Lance Storm is definitely one of the smartest man to ever grace this website.
by ShivanTiger on Oct 18, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Also, I’m not ignoring anything Dana has said about him. I was just saying if ShivanTiger thinks Dana has said KEnny “sux”, it was because of the time Dana said he’s a choker. I don’t know or care if Dana thinks Kenny sucks. I was just telling you why ShivanTiger may think Dana has said he sucks.
I shouldn’t have said anything and allowed Shivantiger to tell you why he thinks Dana doesn’t believe in Florian. I was trying to be helpful. I don’t know or care about Dana’s opinion of Kenny’s abilities (or any fighter for that matter).
We're only months away from the triumphant return of the Predator. The MW division will never be the same again.
Ok, I didn't notice it was Shivan that said that.
I don't know, Marge. Trying is the first step towards failure.
yeah
I was just saying that maybe Shivan read into Dana saying that to mean Dana believes Kenny sucks.
I wasn’t really trying to get involved. haha
We're only months away from the triumphant return of the Predator. The MW division will never be the same again.
thanks Jay
and Dana thinks Kenny Sucks at life, fighting, tweeting, commentating, and title fights. the only thing Dana thinks Kenny is good at is getting his ass kicked by champions and number one contenders. Hope that clears this all up.
I have officially seen the light, which Melvin Guillard has not seen due to all the Cocaine abuse which has clouded his ego over the years, Now I know that Lance Storm is definitely one of the smartest man to ever grace this website.
why are you killing children?
I have officially seen the light, which Melvin Guillard has not seen due to all the Cocaine abuse which has clouded his ego over the years, Now I know that Lance Storm is definitely one of the smartest man to ever grace this website.
i had no idea how out of control they were
I have officially seen the light, which Melvin Guillard has not seen due to all the Cocaine abuse which has clouded his ego over the years, Now I know that Lance Storm is definitely one of the smartest man to ever grace this website.
And Diaz lost to 2 of those guys you just mentioned
…
Say what you will about the sweet miracle of unquestioning faith, I consider a capacity for it terrifying and absolutely vile!
by JoshuaThomas on Oct 18, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry fellas, i dont even see how this fight is competitive.
Listen, guys. You can take all these guys with their eighth education and their gold teeth trying to sit around and break down a fight. This is the most unsophisticated and un-well-thoughtout thing you need to do in life. Two half-naked men are gonna get in a steel cage and fight for the applause of a drunken rowdy crowd in Houston, Texas, on a Saturday night. We don't need to plan for this.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Oct 18, 2011 2:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i think that Diaz's boxing is just as good or better than Edgars
and after two fights BJ couldn’t figure it out, I have no reason to believe he has made the necessary adjustments
I have officially seen the light, which Melvin Guillard has not seen due to all the Cocaine abuse which has clouded his ego over the years, Now I know that Lance Storm is definitely one of the smartest man to ever grace this website.
not as quick in and out, but his reach is longer, and his hands might be just as fast
I have officially seen the light, which Melvin Guillard has not seen due to all the Cocaine abuse which has clouded his ego over the years, Now I know that Lance Storm is definitely one of the smartest man to ever grace this website.
He's a pressure fighter.
The easiest way to stop pressure fighters is the jab which BJ’s is one of the best in MMA. Also consider Diaz’s style Because when he’s attacking, he doesnt use his reach in that traditional stay out of range and paw away from the whole time while avoiding closequarters. he like to get in up close and tries to box guys up with constant stream of shots from multiple angles. The KJ noons fight is a good example of how effective a jab is in slowing/stopping what seems like an avalanche of punches waiting to crush you.
Listen, guys. You can take all these guys with their eighth education and their gold teeth trying to sit around and break down a fight. This is the most unsophisticated and un-well-thoughtout thing you need to do in life. Two half-naked men are gonna get in a steel cage and fight for the applause of a drunken rowdy crowd in Houston, Texas, on a Saturday night. We don't need to plan for this.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Oct 18, 2011 3:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree with most of what you said
until BJ gets tired, once that happens he tends to get flat footed, and his boxing(including the jab) gets sloppy. BJ will use the jab to keep Diaz at bay through the first round. as long as Diaz doesn’t get cut up, he holds on to win using his pressure boxing style in the 2nd and 3rd
I have officially seen the light, which Melvin Guillard has not seen due to all the Cocaine abuse which has clouded his ego over the years, Now I know that Lance Storm is definitely one of the smartest man to ever grace this website.
BJ is already tired and the fight isn't for two weeks.
He’ll be lucky to throw an eighth of the punches Diaz throws. BJ doesn’t have KO power at WW, he’ll need to hit Diaz at least 70 times to phase him. Diaz is a wrap.
We're only months away from the triumphant return of the Predator. The MW division will never be the same again.
BJ KO'd Hughes in 21 seconds, at 170...
Remember, nothing is out of reach. Develop a plan, work the process, and achieve your goals. Begin, now!
I knew someone would say that
I didn’t think I had to qualify my statement to only include relevant WW’s.
We're only months away from the triumphant return of the Predator. The MW division will never be the same again.
If you thought it took power to do that
Good for you
We're only months away from the triumphant return of the Predator. The MW division will never be the same again.
You can't deny Hughes' legacy at 170.
He’s not the fighter he used to be, not at all. But he’s still Matt Hughes.
Remember, nothing is out of reach. Develop a plan, work the process, and achieve your goals. Begin, now!
Not sure what that means.
Tim Sylvia is still Tim Sylvia.
Royce Gracie is still Royce.
Jens Pulver is still Jens Pulver.
Do I think you have to be a good fighter or have a lot of power to knock any of them out? Fuck no.
Knocking Hughes out recently doesn’t mean you have KO power.
We're only months away from the triumphant return of the Predator. The MW division will never be the same again.
Power against a moving Diaz and power against a flat footed Hughes are two different things.
For instance….I can power punch my heavybag with reckless abandon, if I want to power punch my speedbag it better be standing still.
Hughes’ fat head is a heavy bag. BJ can’t just wind up and try to hit Nick. He’s gonna have to use short quick punches if he doesn’t want to swing at air.
We're only months away from the triumphant return of the Predator. The MW division will never be the same again.
Penn should be able to drop Diaz, everyone does, but can he finish him? That’s the real problem with Diaz. The more hurt he gets, the harder he fights.
Those guys that were dropping Diaz are a lot bigger and hit a lot harder than BJ.
We're only months away from the triumphant return of the Predator. The MW division will never be the same again.
What has exactly dropped Diaz.
Daley’s left hook of death.
Zarmokis head kick of death.
Cyborg dropped him too right?
I don't think so
He dropped Cyborg a couple times.
Point being that BJ doesn’t have enough power to do what those guys did. He’d need a few clean shots to drop Diaz and I don’t see him getting those. His punches thrown stats are going to be a quarter of Diaz’. If that.
We're only months away from the triumphant return of the Predator. The MW division will never be the same again.
I don't think so
He dropped Cyborg a couple times.
Point being that BJ doesn’t have enough power to do what those guys did. He’d need a few clean shots to drop Diaz and I don’t see him getting those. His punches thrown stats are going to be a quarter of Diaz’. If that.
We're only months away from the triumphant return of the Predator. The MW division will never be the same again.
You're crazy NNR
Let’s bet on this one. Cash or sigs. Up to you.
We're only months away from the triumphant return of the Predator. The MW division will never be the same again.
You're an idiot.
I’ll easily take that bet. Cash. When you get dropped over and over again by guys not even close to the level BJ penn, you’re in trouble.
Nick has holes in his boxin game, especially when he’s throwing those combos and leaving his entire middle open to be countered, which is what happens when nick gets countered and dropped. Nick beating guys up in strikeforce is really blinding all of you.
BJ has been fighting top competition his whole career. His striking, speed, and technique is far far beyond anyone nick has faced. Youbreally need to take a step back, see what the hell you’re watching when you see nick fight.
I love Nick Diaz, love everything about his style. I was taking him to upset GSP, he would actually get a guy that plays it safe a majority of the time, to show up and make him fight, that was exciting. But you can’t make a born fighter, a born killer come to fight when that’s his bread and butter and for the first time, nicks met his match. We’ve seen what can beat Diaz and that is speed, good technique and nice countering, everything BJ is great at.
Love then both, hate to see one lose but everyone will see BJ expose that small hole in Diaz boxing game.
And BJ will get tired? He wasn’t tired in the all out brawl with sanchez, sherk, florian? He tires against steadiest who just wrestle fuck him and stay on top, I agree with that but that isn’t what nick is going to do.
And I respect that, he’s going to fight his fight which is come forward and scrap, winning or losing he’ll make sure he fights his fight, he won’t go for takedowns. Neither will I don’t think.
I love everything about this fight. But nick hasn’t fought anyone with the “inside the pocket speed, precision, an technique” like BJ penn. You’ll see.
by xMMAxTYSONxMMA on Oct 18, 2011 5:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
YEah
I’ll easily take that bet. Cash
I’m going to take a bet with someone I’ve never seen. I know when I win I gotta try to collect money from MMATYSONMMA (in capitals no less)?
When you get dropped over and over again by guys not even close to the level BJ penn, you’re in trouble.
I don’t care if Zaromskis or Daley dropped Diaz. BJ Penn doesn’t have half the power those guys do. BJ doesn’t throw fight ending hooks or fucking head kicks of any kind. BJ’s going to have to jab Diaz. He won’t be throwing any one-hitter-quitter punches against a guy twice his size. Don’t be surprised to see BJ take this to the ground when his reach is ineffective against the lanky SF Champion. BJ’s best chance in this fight is by holding Diaz down and pounding him. He doesn’t have the cardio to stand all night with a guy that has the kind of output Diaz has.
Your post was really weird. At first you were hostile about me taking Diaz in this fight to saying it’s going to be an even fight. I don’t think Diaz is any better than he was when he left the UFC. He doesn’t like wrestlers still. If you want to beat him, wrestle him. Make him angry so he makes mistakes to capitalize on. If BJ stands with him, I think he’ll lose due to sheer number of punches thrown. Judges see him land 5 soft ones and BJ land one hard one, guess who’s winning on most score sheets? BJ won’t knock him down or out, he just doesn’t have enough power. But he can take him down. He took Fitch down FFS. He should be able to grapple the fuck outta Diaz. From there maybe a sub, maybe not.
I’ll be rooting for Diaz and wanted to win some money off the money pool champ. I didn’[t come here to talk shit about BJ.
BJ’s a whiny, bitch faggot.
See. That is talking shit about BJ.
We're only months away from the triumphant return of the Predator. The MW division will never be the same again.
No you're right he doesn't throw hooking power punhea, he's more technical than that.
It doesn’t take hooking power punches to end a fight. And if you don’t think BJ has power to end this fight you are seriously retarded.
BJ’s only chance is taking this fight to the ground? DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING?
It is obviously clear to see from your posts that you just have mo knowledge about mma or what is your watching when you see either of these guys fight. Please tell me who Diaz has fought that has stand-up that is on the level of BJ? Zero. I sure hope you’re on here when you see Diaz get stopped and that “whiny bitch faggot” (lol) get his hand raised.
Are you really talking about my screen name? Lol wow, cool.
He’ll win by sheer number of punches thrown? Incorrect. For one nick has been able to walk guys down and jut stay right in front of them and throw punches in bunches and doesn’t have to worry about a good counter attack or someone willing to sit in the pocket and throw back, you’ll see that this fight.
The only advantage Diaz has in this fight on BJ is cardio, that’s it. And for it being a three round fight I’m not too worried about that. Nick sure does push a high pace but that is because his opponents have allowed him to. When BJ is right there in his face, not moving backwards, moving forward. You might see nick pursue the fight a little differently. The thing is, this fight will bring out the best in both fighters, they are both going to fight this fight to their strengths, striking. And I think BJ’s is better, you think nicks is. We will see. Sure nick might throw a lot of punches, and punches in bunches but BJ is going to make Diaz look like he’s moving in slow motion. Just wait.
by xMMAxTYSONxMMA on Oct 18, 2011 6:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lol man, Lol.
He’ll win by sheer number of punches thrown? Incorrect. For one nick has been able to walk guys down and jut stay right in front of them and throw punches in bunches and doesn’t have to worry about a good counter attack or someone willing to sit in the pocket and throw back, you’ll see that this fight.
Like just about everyone else, it seems, you don’t get that Nick forces this to happen.
A Nick Diaz fight tends to follow the same pattern. Diaz eventually forces his opponent to cover up, he starts to pick them apart, they get tired, he starts to damage them badly, they are exhausted, he finishes them. Happened to Daley, happened to Cyborg, happend to Zaromskis, happened to Shamrock, happened to Smith and it practically happened to KJ Noons, although Noons gutted it out.
Yet you can’t name one fight with any of those guys where the same thing happened. You think those fighters are stupid? You think they weren’t prepared for what Diaz was gonna try and do? You think they said “oh I’m just gonna let this guy with monster cardio just punch at me until I cover up and get smashed up with body shots”?
Of course they didn’t. Listen to Gilbert Melendez son. He takes his opponent places they don’t wanna go. BJ is getting an express ticket to that place.
All these, uh, dealmakers making deals. Ya know, I don't, all I know is I'm ready to fight so, ya know, I'm sorry I didn't make it to the beauty pageant.
I didn't say anything about your screen name except the fact that I won't bet against you since I know nothing about you except a retarded screen name
I know who NNR is. That is why I offered a bet. I wouldn’t bet you since I’ve never seen you before and the only thing I know about you is your gay-assed screen name.
I know nothing about MMA and don’t know what I’m seeing when I see these guys fight. You’re absolutely right. You on the other hand are a fucking well of knowledge.
I look forward to seeing BJ make Diaz look like he’s moving in slow motion. HAHA fucking priceless.
We're only months away from the triumphant return of the Predator. The MW division will never be the same again.
Yes yes it will be. You sound just like the guys who were saying shields would come over
And do the same thing and I told them, it’s a different breed over in the ufc. Doing those things to cyborg, Daley, noons (who masvidal destroyed worse than Diaz, and masvidal is nowhere near BJ’s standup) shamrock does not mean anything. It’s not BJ penn.
Of course they don’t go into the fight thinking that is what they’ll do but again you are not analyzing or comprehending what you are seeing when you see nick diazs standup. There are holes, easy to counter, easy to see. If you can’t see that, that’s ok I understand, not everyone can.
All of the opponents you talked about get way too caught up in playing nicks game. They get caught up in his taunting and shit talking and nick forces them to play his game, which is when he picks them apart. The thing is, that IS BJ’S GAME! he just does it without the taunting and shit talking in the cage.
Listen to Gilbert Melendez? Why don’t you listen to your boy nick diaz who in a recent interview talked about how the only way BJ loses is because he get wrestled and tired to a decision, if they were to stand up and bang with him, they would’ve lost. Which is what I respect about this fight, both these guys know they are going to be fighting to the others strength, and let the best man win.
The last time someone actually stood up with BJ, callin him out to just scrap, got completely destroyed for 5 rounds, and BJ looked Just as good in the first as he did in the 5th. You’re really dillusional when it comes to this fight, it seems like you just really don’t like BJ, it’s fogging your thinking.
Lol, man I can’t wait for this. I hope you’re ready for your jaw to drop when you see the BJ penn that enters the ring on the 29th, one who doesnt have to worry about gettin taken down or gassin out. All he’s gotta do is just scrap.
by xMMAxTYSONxMMA on Oct 18, 2011 9:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
already got sig and cash bet on this fight with stinky and VM.
Want to do a straight cash bet on who wins or loses?
Listen, guys. You can take all these guys with their eighth education and their gold teeth trying to sit around and break down a fight. This is the most unsophisticated and un-well-thoughtout thing you need to do in life. Two half-naked men are gonna get in a steel cage and fight for the applause of a drunken rowdy crowd in Houston, Texas, on a Saturday night. We don't need to plan for this.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Oct 19, 2011 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions
that sounds good
I’ve got twenty bucks that says Diaz wins.
We're only months away from the triumphant return of the Predator. The MW division will never be the same again.
Cool, we got a bet then.
Man, i like this one better than the finish bet i have against VM. I am makin bets everywhere here. Maybe i’ll use this as starting capital to start betting guys like VM.
Listen, guys. You can take all these guys with their eighth education and their gold teeth trying to sit around and break down a fight. This is the most unsophisticated and un-well-thoughtout thing you need to do in life. Two half-naked men are gonna get in a steel cage and fight for the applause of a drunken rowdy crowd in Houston, Texas, on a Saturday night. We don't need to plan for this.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Oct 19, 2011 4:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That’s a very good point. But Penn can’t back down to a brawl. It’s fucking Penn. And is Diaz can actually taunt a killer like Daley, he’ll do it to anyone. If he doesn’t fight his fight, taunting and all, he’s completely fucked.
Penn doesn’t like a fast pace fight unless he’s hurting you, if Penn doesn’t drop him quick, the taunting will come out.
I have BJ winning a close first round, then the pace of Diaz being to much in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. 29-28 Diaz for the unam dec
I have officially seen the light, which Melvin Guillard has not seen due to all the Cocaine abuse which has clouded his ego over the years, Now I know that Lance Storm is definitely one of the smartest man to ever grace this website.
BJ's cardio should be fine for a 3 round standing fight.
He typically only tires from wrestlers.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Oct 18, 2011 4:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
diaz's
body shots will take care of that
I have officially seen the light, which Melvin Guillard has not seen due to all the Cocaine abuse which has clouded his ego over the years, Now I know that Lance Storm is definitely one of the smartest man to ever grace this website.
He looked pretty tired when he was trying to land a punch on Edgar
We're only months away from the triumphant return of the Predator. The MW division will never be the same again.
Five round fight against a MUCH faster opponent.
And I get he feeling he took Edgar easy the first time around. Not an excuse by any means seeing as Edgar did even better in the second fight.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Oct 18, 2011 4:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
jestermarcus are you implying in any way that BJ doesn't have a cardio problem?
We're only months away from the triumphant return of the Predator. The MW division will never be the same again.
His cardio seems to be ok because when he’s in control , he fights at a slow , methodical pace, very similar to Rampage mentally.
Neither can be pushed, but problem is, their chin/power combo generally leads to KOs of anyone who wants to go that route with them. Which is what makes this so interesting.
this is y i love nick
Choro get at me son make the sig bet official
NICK DIAZ.... champ early 2012
by 209stk on Oct 18, 2011 2:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
As someone said, I'm a little scared of the "homie" factor
But I think both guys enjoy fighting and competing so much that they’ll put on a good show. This is the fight I look forward to the most.
"No church in the wild"
BJ and Hughes are homies, didint matter much though did it? 3 times...!
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
Well they only became homies afterwards, right?
I mean, for the first two times there was a little bad blood, wasn’t it? I may be wrong though.
"No church in the wild"
JJ, Chin and Hands all go to BJ.
JJ – I would expect an explanation isn’t need. Although Nick has a wider range of submission victories and solid JJ himself, BJ has crazy credentials and out of this world flexability.
Chin – We saw Nick get rocked by Zaromskis and Daley, they just couldn’t finish. I can’t remember the last time I saw BJ wobble from a strike.
Hands – Nick has a furstrating style, but lacks that one-shot power. BJ’s boxing is technically superior and he probably has more power. Nick has better body shots though.
In spite of the above, I still expect this to be a fucking immense fight. Been wanting to see this for years.
"We mortals are but shadows and dust..."
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Stout: Quarry : Serra : Wandy : Pulver : Alvarez : Lombard
JJ – Nick is just as flexible. A Gogo isn’t easy to pull off. I call a BJJ stalemate.
Chin – Nicks been rocked, but he is one of the toughest guys to finish that steps into the octagon. He was finished once in his career, 9 years ago at age 19. Penn has never been finished.
Hands – Nick has power. He KO’d Lawler and has twice as many finishes with his hands than BJ does. That simply can’t be done if you don’t have power.
The one single glaring disparity in this fight to me is cardio. Nick has the best gas tank in the MMA game, and BJ has a very questionable one. If Nick can land his volume punches and hellish body shots then this will be a bad night for BJ.
i believe hughes finished penn in the crusifix
Also Penn threw in the towel against a greased up gsp
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lhw-rua,bones jones,mr.wonderfull davis
mw-belfort,palhares,cung le,jacare
ww-alves,rumble johnson,diaz bros,daley,sanchez
lw-melendez,g-sot,aoki,pettis,huerta,alvarez,guillard,tibau
fw-garcia,aldo,torres,benavidez
K-1
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remy bonjaski
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alistair overeem
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by infinite on Oct 18, 2011 3:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I get what he is trying to say.
Hughes finished Penn because Penn simply couldn’t move and could no longer defend himself due to the position he was in. The GSP finish was more of George just wearing him out to the point that BJ couldn’t defend himself because he was so tired.
You mind your own damn business.
by jestermarcus on Oct 18, 2011 4:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The GSP finish was more of George just wearing him out to the point that BJ couldn’t defend himself because he was so tired.
Thats you way to see it.
My way is :
The GSP finish was more of George just pounding his head to the point that BJ’s corner said holy fuck that man is going to die in the 5th round. Wheres the towel? a
Chael Sonnen.
haha
BJ was tired.
Tired of getting his face punched repeatedly. He knew he wasn’t making any sort of comeback so he quit.
I’d have fired him if he worked for me.
We're only months away from the triumphant return of the Predator. The MW division will never be the same again.
Penn has been finished, just not KO'd.
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
nick wasn't rocked by zaromski
And those bombs he ate from daley shows who has a better chin show me something were bj gets absolutely blasted and still gets back up. ..
Chin= diaz hands down
Diaz also has better hands cardio and more heart also longer reach nick all day
NICK DIAZ.... champ early 2012
by 209stk on Oct 18, 2011 2:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Chin hands down diaz??? Yea right - when has BJ even been hurt with a strike?
And cardio wise, BJ only gasses when guys wear and grind on him. If he’s fighting at his pace, i think he’ll be just fine relying on his technical skills. Diaz’s style plays directly into his strength which is countering and he doesnt have to move around and chase him like with frankie.
Listen, guys. You can take all these guys with their eighth education and their gold teeth trying to sit around and break down a fight. This is the most unsophisticated and un-well-thoughtout thing you need to do in life. Two half-naked men are gonna get in a steel cage and fight for the applause of a drunken rowdy crowd in Houston, Texas, on a Saturday night. We don't need to plan for this.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Oct 18, 2011 2:46 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What makes you think he’s going to be able to fight at his own pace? Once Diaz starts connecting with those long strikes BJ’s pace goes out the window. Constant strikes, round 1 to 3. That’s what Diaz is good at, BJ will need to finish this fight.
by danago on Oct 18, 2011 2:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Just so you know 209, i'm a huge diaz fan. Huge. And i'm picking him to win.
But zaromskis did catch him and knock him down halfway across the cage in that fight.
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
One thing that sticks in my brain w/ BJ...
His fight with Diego was so impressive. I knew Diego couldn’t box with BJ, but I thought he would at least out work BJ and get take downs. I thought Diego was going to be BJ’s biggest competition in recent time, but that was far from the case! BJ out worked and out fought the younger Diego.
I picture Diaz & BJ almost the same way. I think BJ will out box and out work Diaz, BUT I would like to see Diaz get a win in the UFC and meet GSP.
I hate it when people have a bunch of carp in this section!
it was that punch that knocked him down right at the beginning
like the knee hathaway hit him with, broke him.
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
And just think after BJ smashs diaz you get to see Condit whoop on GSP. It’s gonna be great
by 505mmacity on Oct 18, 2011 2:17 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Diaz respects BJ too much to taunt him,
but then again Diaz taunting fighters are all part of his M.O. and very entertaining
Diaz doesn’t respect anyone when he’s in the cage. Haven’t you been listening to his interviews?
by danago on Oct 18, 2011 2:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This is one of those fights you don’t give a fuck who wins or losses and sit back and enjoy the massive , massive carnage.
by p123 on Oct 18, 2011 2:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Agreed.
"We mortals are but shadows and dust..."
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Stout: Quarry : Serra : Wandy : Pulver : Alvarez : Lombard
For the sake of all that is good in humanity please post that gif of psycho BJ pumping himself up standing on the opposite side of Diego. That’s the last man to ever dare challenge Penn in a true Mano e Mano style fight and that brought out perhaps the best Penn we ever saw.
This literally has the best fight ever potential all over it . Fucking WARRRRRRR!!!!!!!
by p123 on Oct 18, 2011 2:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I have officially seen the light, which Melvin Guillard has not seen due to all the Cocaine abuse which has clouded his ego over the years, Now I know that Lance Storm is definitely one of the smartest man to ever grace this website.
Holy shit that is one scary mother fucking velocir raptor clawing and eating everything . And just raping. The rape won’t stop. Hell fucking yea.
by p123 on Oct 18, 2011 2:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That is actually the perfect description for mania.
by p123 on Oct 18, 2011 3:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
usually if i see a new ANS fanpost
my girl automatically starts to cool me down with a towel like buddy in the back there. She knows whats coming too.
Chael Sonnen.
Burning coffee just shot out my nose at my desk at work...thanks newfie...!
"How many guys can say they actually been with Jenna Jameson"
-Tito Ortiz
"Two things you think about when you see another man... Who has a bigger dick and can I take that guy in a fight... One thing you cant do anything about, the other you can"
-Forrest Griffin
"My weight is not enough and strength is not enough either, so I have to take the fight by mastery."
-Fedor Emelianenko
P123 You are right!
This will be a center of the cage brawl!
I hate it when people have a bunch of carp in this section!
I see these two as bringing the best out of each other fighting wise
I expect an awesome fight and can’t wait for the event overall. I’d be very surprised if this fight wasn’t competitive as some folks said above.
BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ!
Nick is in trouble.
"Every time I win a title somewhere, Dana has to buy the company to get me back." - Hendo
Unless Condit finishes GSP
this will be the best fight on the card
by Tommy Shenanigans on Oct 18, 2011 3:18 PM EDT reply actions
na uh broalthough gsp is going to get finished but we have seen that on a couple of occasion already
And even though its a beautiful site i have a feeling diaz penn is goin to b the shit son
NICK DIAZ.... champ early 2012
by 209stk on Oct 18, 2011 4:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
oh yeah
once bj starts getting peppered with those small jabs he will lose the will to fight. every fight if its not going his way early on he seems to get frustrated and kind of gives up. i mean come on never been finished. he threw in the towel against gsp, thats just weak. i am going with diaz on this one. if he shows up at all.
Umm I don't think so? how can he?
After bitching up and backing out of the GSP fight, I think Diaz is scared, homey. BJ has always showed up to fight, win or lose.
Cheers,
Jay Kilgore
http://www.jaykilgore.com
for stepping up in the ring BJ = Diaz
BJ is too much of a man to not give Diaz a straight up fight and respect in the ring.
If BJ is not engaging…yep Diaz is going to give him the whats up?
Both these guys are great and the fight is going to be awesome.
Diaz loves a scrap. I'll always be a fan.
As far as skillsets I’d say:
Jits goes to Diaz. Wrestling goes to BJ. Boxing is obviously Diaz and overall game goes to Nick as well.
We're only months away from the triumphant return of the Predator. The MW division will never be the same again.
MMA fans & Fight Fans
MMA is a game which is why GSP and his team will always form gameplans. There is no games in a fight. Which is why I like Nick Diaz. The guy comes to fight. In the UFC the middle initial stands for FIGHTING. It’s a way you can tell MMA fans from fight fans. MMA fans look at the other things besides the skills like: popularity, personalities, outside cage life. A fight fan doesn’t give two fucks about a fighter outside the ring. A fight fan just wants to see a fight. And GSP’s gameplan doesn’t include fighting. But THERE WILL ALWAYS BE GSP NUTHUGGING MMA FANS THAT WILL TALK SHIT ABOUT NICK DIAZ. True fight fans know that Condit, Penn, Diaz and fighters that fight are what represent the Ultimate FIGHTING Championship. But as far as the edge, I do believe that the only edge BJ Penn has is wrestling but he won’t try for takedowns in this fight so he pretty much should be the underdog. Ask me why I think so if you want.
by Kenyon D. Johnson on Oct 18, 2011 4:20 PM EDT reply actions
Diaz’s pace will b too much for Penn. Diaz will just out work him but I think Penn won’t completely wilt since its only 3 rounds, if it was 5 he would b in real trouble. Am I the only one that wants to see them grapple for 3-4 minutes. Both r such touted bjj practitioners I think that could b sick to see
MMA = Best sport on earth
by FarNorCal on Oct 18, 2011 4:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
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