Saturday Night's Mania Event: The pro wrestling style genius of Chael Sonnen
By now you've probably heard quite a few fans -- and just as many pundits -- tell you that UFC middleweight contender Chael Sonnen models himself after pro wrestlers. With his over the top interviews and larger than life personality, which is mostly fabricated, it's difficult to disagree with such a statement.
But how many truly know the extent of his pro wrestling genius?
I can imagine how many of you are checking out now, surely shaking your head at this subject matter. It's the old pro wrestling vs. MMA debate and whether or not the two actually have any discernible similarities. I'm not here to argue that, although it's important to note a few things.
Pro wrestling, while those that participate in it are athletes in the sense that they perform feats that require great athleticism, is not a sport. It's a form of entertainment, an art that few truly bother to ever really understand, even folks that call themselves fans.
MMA, on the other hand, is the pinnacle of sport. It represents the purest form of competition. One man's blood, sweat and tears against another man's blood, sweat and tears. It's violently romantic, a beautiful blend of carnage and fluid motion.
When putting it like that, how could the two possibly share a common bond?
The answer is in the promotion. The loose tie is tightened only when considering the nature of creating hype via savvy marketing. UFC President Dana White will admit to you that he borrowed heavily from the business model WWE head honcho Vince McMahon used to make his entertainment conglomerate a smashing pay-per-view success.
McMahon did so by eschewing pro wrestlers who knew how to work a match inside the ring for specialists with the gift of gab. Hulk Hogan, a name nearly all of you should know, certainly didn't rise to prominence because of his big boot and ensuing leg drop. In fact, his matches are widely regarded as the worst in main event level history.
But he had an aura about him and knew exactly how to turn a microphone into a tool to control the crowd that paid to see him. He made you want to spend your hard earned money to watch him wrestle even if you had never actually seen him wrestle. That's how charismatic he was when cutting his promos. His timing and delivery was -- and still is -- unmatchable.
Chael Sonnen, who never would have been a star otherwise, used these principles to not only talk himself into a title shot against one of the greatest fighters that ever lived, but he turned himself into one of the biggest stars in the entire industry.
Rewind back to Feb. 21, 2009, and UFC 95 in London, England. Sonnen fought at that event, the second act on the main card of a free show on Spike TV. He was making his re-debut inside the Octagon for his second tour of duty and while he had grown since his initial stint with the promotion, it didn't show in that first fight back.
He was taken down and submitted just a few minutes into the contest.
This wasn't the same Sonnen, though. Sure, his Achilles heel had reared its ugly head once again to cost him a bout against a future title challenger. But his wrestling was as good as it had ever been and his mouth was as potent as it would ever be.
He quickly rebounded by accepting a short notice match-up against Dan Miller, gaining favor in the process, and outworking the New Jersey native en route to a decision victory.
It was around this time that Sonnen's tongue began working almost as hard as his takedowns.
Ensuing victories over Yushin Okami and Nate Marquardt, both dominant decision wins, lacked the excitement typical fight fans usually crave. But, again, he made up for this by selling his fights not with his abilities inside the cage but with his speaking skills outside of it.
Sounds familiar, no?
After his victory over Marquardt, Sonnen began unleashing verbal bombs on Middleweight Champion Anderson Silva. He did what no other 185-pound fighter in the UFC was willing to and he called "The Spider" out at every turn. He learned from notable pro wrestling promo artists like Rowdy Roddy Piper how to turn himself into a hot commodity.
He did so by turning himself into a character.
The sporting enthusiasts among the MMA audience loathed him for his less than honest method of shameless self promotion. Sonnen utilized what's known as "kayfabe" -- the act of creating -- and never breaking -- character in order to better market himself to sell pay-per-views.
His game plan was carefully crafted. Silva, you see, had a reputation of his own as a supremely talented fighter that had no real respect for the fans. His abilities were otherworldly but if he felt unchallenged, he had a tendency to mail in performances.
When I say mail in, I mean openly mock his opponent, his employers, and all the fans in attendance and watching at home. He was loved for how unbelievably talented he is but hated for his perceived attitude as a bit of a diva. Silva can speak English, but rarely does so when conducting interviews. Instead, he uses a translator, his manager Ed Soares, who has a tendency to conveniently forget a word or two when relaying back what his fighter says.
Sonnen saw and heard this and used it to his advantage. Chael, the man, may or may not have felt the same as fans but Chael, the character, lambasted Silva for his shortcomings in the media. He did so to endear himself to the wider audience, who had previously refused to accept him as an elite fighter. It's not that he wasn't but his style of fighting, which relies largely on a grappling heavy top control game, is the least aesthetically pleasing mixed martial art. So instead of making himself famous by spectacularly knocking out a band of elite middleweights like Silva did, he used timing, a microphone and marketing savvy to become the antihero that fans had been waiting for as a foil to the seemingly untouchable 185-pound king.
There were those that were terribly turned off by Sonnen's blatant insincerity. This group of people generally leaned toward hating his guts for even bringing this sort of behavior into the usually classy world of mixed martial arts. They wished nothing more than for Silva to give him his comeuppance.
And that, my friends, is the genius.
Sonnen managed to use pro wrestling influence to do what most modern day pro wrestlers can't even do -- he played both sides of the fence and made the largest audience possible want to pay to see him fight. He worked one group into thinking he was the perfect foil for Silva and his wrestling style would finally bring an end to the middleweight champions five year reign of terror. He worked the other group into enough of a frenzy that they simply wanted to watch "The Spider" destroy him once they finally stepped inside the cage and the talking stopped.
It was utterly brilliant.
The result of the fight, at that point and to his larger purpose, was immaterial. If he won, hey, he backed up his big talk. If he lost, whatever, he got a huge payday out of it and made himself into a media darling that will have a sustained career afterwards as a main event level draw.
Sonnen would go on to lose that night at UFC 117 but not until he pounded away at Silva for four and a half rounds. He backed up every bit of his big talk by using the same game plan he flat out told the champion he would. Takedown, ground and pound, rinse and repeat.
But, in the fifth and final round, with the title within his grasp, Sonnen choked ... literally. He allowed himself to be snared up in a triangle and tapped to award his opponent the victory. Silva went home the champion, Sonnen went home having made himself a star and the UFC basked in the glow of a highly successful pay-per-view event.
Sonnen became even more like a pro wrestler when word came about that he failed a drug test for elevated levels of testosterone after the fight. It marred what was otherwise an unbelievable all around performance.
Controversy would follow, including Sonnen being busted for money laundering and lying in front of the California State Athletic Commission (CSAC). He would emerge relatively unscathed, though, as the reputation he had built beforehand was one of a liar, anyway. He broke kayfabe only every now and again and only long enough to earn himself the proper points to get back to where he needed to go.
Throughout the entire process, he never stopped calling out Silva. Despite losing to him by way of definitive submission, he maintained he would earn himself a rematch and finish the job he came so close to doing last year.
But how?
Silva and his management team played their cards smart by simply stating that other worthy contenders were available and fresh talent was emerging every day. Sonnen losing by way of submission, instead of say, controversial decision, didn't exactly give him much of a case for a rematch, even if he came closer than anyone to defeating the dominant champion.
Sonnen, though, a cerebral tactician with the ultimate goal always in mind, positioned himself perfectly once again to challenge his arch nemesis and earn a big payday in the process.
Here's how he did it.
He accepted a bout against Brian Stann at UFC 136 on Oct. 8 in Houston, Texas. This accomplished many things. For starters, Stann had been on an absolute tear leading into the fight and was widely considered a potential title challenger ... if he could win one or two more fights. Just as soon as he was paired up against Sonnen, the bout was announced as a number one contender match.
The bout was also booked to take place in the state of Texas, which has a notoriously lax athletic commission who wouldn't hesitate to clear Sonnen to fight by granting him his license. And they didn't.
The UFC was also holding a Fan Expo during the weekend, meaning all the big stars on the roster would make their way down and most of them would be in attendance for the fights.
Including Anderson Silva.
Finally, Sonnen was simply a style nightmare for Stann. His strong wrestling and relentless pressure would prove too much to overcome, as the Republican former realtor absolutely destroyed "All American" en route to a second round submission finish, about as good a result as Sonnen could have possibly hoped for.
And then color commentator Joe Rogan entered the cage for the usual post-fight interview and Sonnen became even more pro wrestling than pro wrestling. This was his moment to sell the masses on a second fight against Silva. This was his time to explain to everyone why he should be given a second shot at the title despite losing definitively the first time around. This was his time to shine.
And shine he did.
He kicked things off like any great promo artist by delivering a line that would grab the attention of the entire arena while also letting them know he means business.
"Anderson Silva, you absolutely suck!"
The crowd exploded with glee, the same crowd that booed him during his entrance before his fight against Stann. This was made even more incredible because, again, Silva was sitting in his seat not far from the cage with Sonnen looking directly at him while he said this.
It's a brilliant move, really, to use this forum to say such a thing. Silva is essentially a hapless victim, trapped like a sitting duck to sustain the oncoming verbal assault while the live crowd cheers it on.
Even if he wanted to, he couldn't do a damn thing about it.
Then came the bait:
"Super Bowl weekend will be the biggest rematch in the history of this business. I'm calling you out, but we're upping the stakes."
Now the crowd, which was already on its feet, is on pins and needles awaiting what Sonnen will say next. This is his mastery of manipulation. He had the crowd eating out of the palm of his hand, heavily intrigued by what will come next.
Then the hook:
"I beat you, you leave the division. You beat me, I will leave the UFC ... forever."
That's pro wrestling at its finest.
Sonnen has now done two things: He's established a solid reason to hold the rematch that extends beyond his coming close to winning the first time. If he loses, he'll bail on MMA (which is entirely possible considering his age and other factors) and if he wins, Silva will hardly be able to show his face inside UFC arenas. The Brazilian has no reason to follow the "leave the division" stipulation but again, that's not even the point. What happens after the bout is immaterial, as noted previously.
The other, more important, thing Sonnen accomplished with this was he got the fans right back on his side. Maybe not in the sense that they'll cheer him but they'll most definitely be ready and willing to drop another $60 on a pay-per-view headlined by Anderson Silva vs. Chael Sonnen part deux.
And that's it in a nutshell, ladies and gentlemen.
That's Sonnen using pro wrestling influence to manipulate his way to the top of the food chain using a combination of skilled fighting with stellar marketing to make a boatload of money for all involved.
And hell, we fans might even be treated to another classic finish.
Nothing wrong with that.
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One problem here boys// this isn't pro wrestling
I for one don’t need the flare!
This is fighting at it finest form/ there should be no place for false trash talk.. ie chael sonnen
If you need this kind of garbage to get you excited for a fight , then you were never a fan of fighting in the first place!
by letstalkmma on Oct 16, 2011 3:38 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
well, not hardcore mma fans but casuals? Yeah this is great shit
Great article geno, I agree completely with you
by theultimate on Oct 16, 2011 3:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
so your telling me that there should be fraudulent trash talk in a sport that can literally result in death.
MMA was built on respect not this WWE bullshit!
hardcores don't need it
but casual fans do and the only thing that matters in business is profits, and this shit sells
So you are saying this is needed in the sport of mixed martial art?
Please boys lets not confuse entertainment with actual combat!
it's not needed, no, but..
it has to be recognised and understood for what it is, a marketing tool. we let dudes stand in front of each other the day before the fight and, although rare, jaw and threaten each other to the pleasure of its fans and promoters.
as far as bringing the argument of “may literally result in death” i can only say this. every sport has elements of danger and the vast majority of the sporting fan population puts aside any silliness or immaturity once face to face w/ an athlete or group of athletes are in danger of death or serious injury.
watch a team sport where rivals are facing each other. even if they are the biggest rivals, if something awful happens in relation to injury the whole crowd shuts the fuck up and focuses on the injured player/fighter.
"There are no atheists in foxholes" isn't an argument against atheism, it's an argument against foxholes. ~James Morrow
"There is a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot."-Steven Wright
by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 16, 2011 4:56 AM EDT up reply actions
There is flare in all forms of entertainment
Boxing has entertainment even at its earliest time in the modern era with the likes of Rocky Marciano. His flair was his undefeated streak. Tysons flair was his destruction of foes with his trash talk. Ali was well known for his flair and trash talk which he said came from watching Gorgeous George. So dont get all high and mighty by saying that some how connecting MMA to wrestling lowers its aura. Remember for awhile MMA was banned from many states only recently so there is really no aura to hurt.
I've got something to say; it better to burn out than to fade away!!!
Is it really funny Mayhem, please tell me its funny.
X Box Gamertag: OneRabidDingo
it doesn't hurt, even for the hardcores like myslef. come down off your high horses. anderson silva was boring in his dominance
sonnen made him human again…he made him relevant.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 16, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Knocking guys the fuck out is boring?
Yeah, okay. Go watch wwe if you want dumb shit like what sonnen is doing.
UFC 137 Main Card Predictions:
George St. Pierre def Carlos Condit by UD
BJ Penn def Nick Diaz by 2nd Rd TKO
Matt Mitrione def Cheick Congo by 1st Rd KO
Roy Nelson def Mirko Filipovic by SD
Hatsu Hioki def George Roop by UD
by MMA Boss on Oct 16, 2011 11:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
dancing and fighting half ass is boring. bowing at your opponents feet and then dancing around is disrespectful.
now if anderson was trying his hardest from the start of the bell like say…….the great Dan “Hendo” Henderson, he would have alot more fans. instead, he is a divalicious prick.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 16, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
-1 to conan
"When swinging from nut-sack of the mighty "Quittin" Rampage Jackson, try to avoid getting his ball-sweat in your eyes….it tends to blind you from the obvious. Now, if I could just play a round of golf with my dream foursome of Chael Sonnen, Larry Merchant and Danago, I can die a happy man."
by wooly shambler on Oct 16, 2011 11:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+1 Conan Have to even out a Barbarian
I've got something to say; it better to burn out than to fade away!!!
Is it really funny Mayhem, please tell me its funny.
X Box Gamertag: OneRabidDingo
Oh, you mean the guy who got his ass beat by silva.
Yeah, I heard of him. And btw, silva has more fans. Dan has never sold a ppv card in his life. His ratings with strikefarce even sucked. Shogun is going to beat him anyway, dan hasn’t beaten a top 5 fighter in years.
UFC 137 Main Card Predictions:
George St. Pierre def Carlos Condit by UD
BJ Penn def Nick Diaz by 2nd Rd TKO
Matt Mitrione def Cheick Congo by 1st Rd KO
Roy Nelson def Mirko Filipovic by SD
Hatsu Hioki def George Roop by UD
by MMA Boss on Oct 16, 2011 5:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
um, mma "is anderson your" boss or something?how can anyone defend his insults is beyond me. the pathetic part is that nut huggin faggots like you would will bitch about how it isn't anderson's fault for fighting second rate fighters that he easily clowns
then turn right around and say guys like sonnenand hendo don’t deserve a rematch, but lesser fighters like stann and bisbing do. if you were really a fan you would want to see anderson pushed. instead you slurp up his ko’s of guys soares approves and excuse his constant fake injuries against real competition. pathetic.anderson silva is a disrespectful prick to his opponents and he needs another beating from sonnen immediately. he is going to dodge him though and you will make excuses. silva an soares are gona do everything they can to keep andrson from signing on the dotted line.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 16, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Who cares, the fan fare is funny, and we still get to see the fight. Why bitch? Fuck that anti pro wrestling shit, it is what it is, you sound like one of those homophobes whos really a homo. Save that Pro Wrestling Wah nonsense for those fags on BE.
wait, so
a guy who doesn’t want their legitimate sport to become a soap opera marketed to 13 year old boys, starring actors dressed in their underwear is a homo? yeah that makes sense.
I have officially seen the light, which Melvin Guillard has not seen due to all the Cocaine abuse which has clouded his ego over the years, Now I know that Lance Storm is definitely one of the smartest man to ever grace this website.
Says the guy that came from be. lol.
UFC 137 Main Card Predictions:
George St. Pierre def Carlos Condit by UD
BJ Penn def Nick Diaz by 2nd Rd TKO
Matt Mitrione def Cheick Congo by 1st Rd KO
Roy Nelson def Mirko Filipovic by SD
Hatsu Hioki def George Roop by UD
by MMA Boss on Oct 16, 2011 10:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+123
"When swinging from nut-sack of the mighty "Quittin" Rampage Jackson, try to avoid getting his ball-sweat in your eyes….it tends to blind you from the obvious. Now, if I could just play a round of golf with my dream foursome of Chael Sonnen, Larry Merchant and Danago, I can die a happy man."
by wooly shambler on Oct 16, 2011 11:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Couldn't agree more.
Chael cheapens the whole thing and takes away from the brilliant matchups we are currently seeing. Fuck Sonnen, he’s ridiculous and disrespectful and he has no place in a real sport, looking for mainstream acceptance. He’s a good fighter but he’s a clown.
"Those who bring sunshine to the lives of others cannot keep it from themselves."
- James M. Barrie
bullshit, anderson silva is the most disrespectful prick in mma. chael talks shit, so what. when the bell rings he pays his opponents the ultimate honor and fights them hard.
silva gives a fake bow, then dances and insults them. the most respectful ting you can do to your opponent is give your best effort to best them. silva is the clown.
by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 16, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
What other possible fights other than GSP, who's not moving up anytime soon, or Jon Jones, who is busy cleaning out 205, is more intriguing than this fight?
Mainstream accepts Jersey Shore, I think they will accept Chael with open arms. You’re right though, Chael is a clown, but clowns make money by entertaining people, so Chael is doing what he is supposed to do.
by amendamatrix on Oct 16, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
You need to understand the reality of the situation, MMA is as much business as it is a sport. That's why they call it PRIZEFIGHTING.
You, the hardcore MMA fan, may not need the drama and trash talk associated with the general hype of a fight, but the casual fan, and even people like me, who used to watch wrestling many years ago, greatly appreciate it when it’s done well. Chael Sonnen is not really doing anything different from what Mayweather, and Ali did to drive attention to themselves and entice people into paying to see them fight. Very few of the casual mma fan base gravitate to big fights solely off the skill level, it’s because they are attracted by the larger than life personalities one or both of the fighters (ie: Brock), or they are feeding off of the drama/storyline leading up to the fight (ie:Rampage vs Rashad, Silva vs Sonnen)
There is a damn good reason why Dana White is trying to set this rematch up, it’s because this fight allows Anderson Silva, GOAT of middleweight, to get the highest amount of ppv sales, and exposure, thus making everyone involved in the fight the most amount of money. Silva only gets good ppv buys(500K+) under 1 of 2 conditions:
- Silva is fighting on a card that also features other star fighters, and because of that, he is not burdened with being the main attraction. (IE: UFC 73, 97, 101, 112)
- Silva is fighting an opponent that he has a convincing feud with, or an opponent who’s personality and interviews captures the hearts and minds of the audience. (IE: Chael Sonnen, Vitor Belfort)
All of Silva’s other ppvs are 300-350K, which is disappointing compared to GSP, Rampage, and Brock, who are lesser p4p fighters.
You should be happy that Chael Sonnen is driving up interest in both he and Silva, because at the end of the day, the more people watching the fight, the more money goes into everyone’s pockets.
by amendamatrix on Oct 16, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
You're right, money drives the whole thing but...
A sports credibility has to be weighed against it’s success in the mainstream. Yes, Jersey Shore gets viewers on board (amazingly!) but it is a bunch of twenty somethings acting the fool, with very little consequence. In MMA you’re talking about two guys putting their life on the line. The analogy just doesn’t sit right with me.
This sport is not a joke, Jersey Shore is. Chael could be seen as cheapening a warriors sport down to reality TV levels because his ranting is so bizarre. It’s like going to see the bearded woman at the freak show. Yes people go but they will get sick of it if the freaks aren’t more and more outrageous. It’s a slippery slide to nowhere and it could eventually alienate the hardcore fans as it has in so many other sports.
The UFC has grown because of a revolutionary approach to prize fighting so i don’t know why they have to revert to the low brow WWE style approach for a quick buck.
I must say your argument above is solid though and a very legitimate angle. I suppose i’m old school in wanting to seperate some of the financials from the ethos of mma, ormaybe i’m just playing the righteous side of the devils advocate.
Any way, despite Chael’s rantings and cheating no one could argue he is not the best matchup for Silva at the moment. Who else have we got!?
"Those who bring sunshine to the lives of others cannot keep it from themselves."
- James M. Barrie
I am 26 and fondly remember the glory days of the WWF/ That being said this is fighting at its finest form!
And should be treated like so
I don't mind it
all i am saying is the hardcore fans are going to buy the ppv for the fights no matter what. If chael talks all this shit we are still going to buy the fight. the casual fans are also going to buy the fight bc chael acted a fool and thats what they like. I dont even mind the trash talk it makes me laugh.
i understand where your coming from and i like to keep an open mind, I guess it just irks me because i see right through it// but yea
If it helps the sport grow it can only be good!
Stick to your guns man.
If it helps the sport grow in a sustainable way then that’s good. But Chael isn’t sustainable, he attracts people who need more than a sport that is already flying along. Pls don’t let Sonnens shit talk be the norm!!
"Those who bring sunshine to the lives of others cannot keep it from themselves."
- James M. Barrie
makes sense?
so it’s ok for zuffa to model their entire business structure around pro-wrestling, as long as none of their employees do it?
Isnt boxing fighting in its truest form, the sweet science. If so then tell that what you said to Ali.
I've got something to say; it better to burn out than to fade away!!!
Is it really funny Mayhem, please tell me its funny.
X Box Gamertag: OneRabidDingo
i use to watch pro wrestling
every Monday with my grandpa i would watch then i started to be able to predict what was going to happen and found out it was fake and stopped watching. so i have fond memories of watching wrestling. so i know why i don’t mind it, but i don’t need it.
I wish a light weight would pick up the mic and do the same
I think that would definitely clear up the division
It doesn't matter what your name is!! The Rock will take your roody-poo candy ass to the corner of Know your role Boulevard and Jabroni Drive and check you in to the smackdown hotel!! If you smell what The Rock is cookin'!!
by Garbanzo on Oct 16, 2011 4:17 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Guida 3rd tko frankie UD
guida is going to get all his shots stuffed, then get beat up standing then find himself on his back and finished via gnp. idk why i think bendo can beat frankie except the size difference and some kind of intuition
Dude he will beat frankie because he is better at mma/ He will mix it up// Thats where Maynard fucked up/ He didn''t mix it up at all.
Go watch the hendo vs miller one more time, and you will see exactly why he will beat frankie.
And i don’t want to hear oh well frankie beat jim, Jim is ever improving and henderson made him look like an amatuer.
guida will get finished
bendo is gonna put him on his back and guida will be uncomfortable and get tko’d
I honestly think bendo could take him down at will/ once again levels/ he is switching levels so well.
One minute you think is gonna punch and he shoots. This will cause problems for anyone.
It's all for none tho
Because his first defense would have to be pettis. And we know how that fight would end up again. Not good for bendo
Fav fighters - Machida, Faber, Koch, Hominick, Pettis, Hardy, Cerrone and killer Cain
by Kalejohncox on Oct 16, 2011 10:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Speaking of Bendo and the mic
I’m glad he cut down on the God talk in the post fight, but I too want Bendo to destroy Guida
It doesn't matter what your name is!! The Rock will take your roody-poo candy ass to the corner of Know your role Boulevard and Jabroni Drive and check you in to the smackdown hotel!! If you smell what The Rock is cookin'!!
Bendo is going to get taken down left and right. Guida will officially welcome him to the UFC style of rape and shoulder strikes.
guidas wrestling can be stiffled
bendo wrestling is better plus he is bigger and athletic, so i dont see guida getting him down.
When has Guida really been stifled from his stifling? When did Bendo become such a great wrestler?
Bendo is def much bigger and more athletic, but Guida has one of those, I will wrestle you no matter what ala Sonnen Fitch etc etc. Bendo is more like freestyle I guess I would say.
Guida def will get him down, multiple times, can Bendo get up is the real question. Guida has unlimited cardio, terrible striking, and will go for Takedowns non stop. Not many can stop Guida, maybe on Maynard can.
+1
"When swinging from nut-sack of the mighty "Quittin" Rampage Jackson, try to avoid getting his ball-sweat in your eyes….it tends to blind you from the obvious. Now, if I could just play a round of golf with my dream foursome of Chael Sonnen, Larry Merchant and Danago, I can die a happy man."
by wooly shambler on Oct 16, 2011 11:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
BTW Bendo is a much cooler name than smooth
It doesn't matter what your name is!! The Rock will take your roody-poo candy ass to the corner of Know your role Boulevard and Jabroni Drive and check you in to the smackdown hotel!! If you smell what The Rock is cookin'!!
but who on forums calls him smooth?
It doesn't matter what your name is!! The Rock will take your roody-poo candy ass to the corner of Know your role Boulevard and Jabroni Drive and check you in to the smackdown hotel!! If you smell what The Rock is cookin'!!
Bendo's is switching levels with intensity that i have never seen before/ he's fearless of submission which could be his downfall/ "but not against guida"
I try not to listen to them talk/ Bendo gives me my moneys worth every time!
In his WEC fights he was unsubmitable
I don’t see that changing
It doesn't matter what your name is!! The Rock will take your roody-poo candy ass to the corner of Know your role Boulevard and Jabroni Drive and check you in to the smackdown hotel!! If you smell what The Rock is cookin'!!
yeah he is exciting
bendo is a bad matchup for guida. everything guida wants to do, he wont be able to do.
I would like to see bendo improve off his back and of course in the standup/
There is a possibility guida could smother him/ but not likely
Good article Geno, I thought it was great what Sonnen done exactly as you said. I class myself as a hardcore fan but still I dont have a problem with what he does ( even if I don’t exactly agree with all the shit he says ) funny thing is, I don’t even believe his bullshit and after his interview with Rogan I was still cheering and can’t wait for the rematch
by eagzy on Oct 16, 2011 4:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Agreed
It doesn't matter what your name is!! The Rock will take your roody-poo candy ass to the corner of Know your role Boulevard and Jabroni Drive and check you in to the smackdown hotel!! If you smell what The Rock is cookin'!!
Nope I did it after I found out The Rock would be at the next Wrestlemania
It doesn't matter what your name is!! The Rock will take your roody-poo candy ass to the corner of Know your role Boulevard and Jabroni Drive and check you in to the smackdown hotel!! If you smell what The Rock is cookin'!!
I still watch ProWrestling but it isn't what it was when I was a teenager
Back in the days of The Rock, DX, and Stone Cold
It doesn't matter what your name is!! The Rock will take your roody-poo candy ass to the corner of Know your role Boulevard and Jabroni Drive and check you in to the smackdown hotel!! If you smell what The Rock is cookin'!!
i use to watch wcw
my fav’s when i was 8-12. rowdy rowdy piper, ddp, the wolfpack for awhile,and sting
Oh boys i feel sorry for you never saw the glory days of the wwf!
When WCW was going strong that was the end of the greatness/ it was entertaining but at the same time saddening!
At the end of the day
ppl want to see two fighters who hate each other and want to beat the shit outta each other go at it .If two fighters spend the time leading up to the fight respecting and complimenting each other and cuddling u know chances are there not gunna pull the trigger the same as if they hated each other.They will hold back regardless of what they say ,if they hate isnt there the venom isnt there.Fans wanna see carnage not a respectful stand off
maybe at the amateur level
UFC fighters, for the most part are two disciplined and have to much to lose to fight on emotions. This is their career, they are in that cage to do their job, not get revenge because of something their opponent tweeted or said in an interview.
I have officially seen the light, which Melvin Guillard has not seen due to all the Cocaine abuse which has clouded his ego over the years, Now I know that Lance Storm is definitely one of the smartest man to ever grace this website.
liddell ortiz ,also ortiz shamrock they were great fights
because they genuinely hated each other
by ufcaddicted on Oct 16, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I never said every fighter
for the most part
I have officially seen the light, which Melvin Guillard has not seen due to all the Cocaine abuse which has clouded his ego over the years, Now I know that Lance Storm is definitely one of the smartest man to ever grace this website.
meh
i missed the wrestling thing..never got it..though you had to live under a rock not to know who hulk hogan and such were..so yes wwe or wwf or whatever they call it made an impact..and now a days you will also find people who may not even watch mma be able to recognize chuck liddel or tito or randy couture..and certainly lots of people know who gsp (though he is newer to the sport than the old schooler) so anyways..my point here is.. i would rather leave the wwe stigma out of mma… it is a sport that does not have fake fighting..and should leave the man soap opera shit out of it for the sport to become a well respected thing.. i don’t mind some smack talk..and i don’t love gsp robotic prepackaged safe prefight talk..but i would take that over all the shit that spews out of chael mouth..sure he is kinda funny etc..but i don’t believe people tune in to see two people who hate each other brawl..that has almost NEVER been a part of mix martial arts.. it is about two very well trained and disciplined fighters trying to put their best skills out there to get the win.. associating it with bad blood or beefs or bringing it down to a level of bar fights or bully school yard shit cheapens the hell out of what is a very exciting and difficult sport!…..and end rant!!
heh…hehheh…you said beef
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Oct 17, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
and 90% of MMA fighters
if you don’t like the guy, that’s fine. just don’t pretend that he’s doing things that no one else in MMA is doing or else you might look like and idiot.
i love that qualifier. “might” :)
Ya cause 90% are off the charts drenched with testosterone
to an illegal level before they fight
"When swinging from nut-sack of the mighty "Quittin" Rampage Jackson, try to avoid getting his ball-sweat in your eyes….it tends to blind you from the obvious. Now, if I could just play a round of golf with my dream foursome of Chael Sonnen, Larry Merchant and Danago, I can die a happy man."
by wooly shambler on Oct 16, 2011 11:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well if everybody is doing it...
and hardly anybody gets caught.. then how big a fucking idiot does that make sonnen….
it is not genius, it is his nature
-Convicted of fraud
-Ran for office (imagine HIM in office?)
-Cheated in the ring by taking hormones
-talking garbage
they are all connected and show a lack of morality on Sonnen’s part.
sb
PS: I don’t watch wresting for a reason. maybe Sonnen should give up the ring for WWE
Fortunately, that list makes him the perfect villain for Chael haters, draw from.
I couldn’t care less about any of the above with the realm of MMA, but for those that do care, hate on, I’m sure you would enjoy seeing Silva trying to knock his head off come fight night.
by amendamatrix on Oct 16, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
true....
ture… all of brazil will watch and a lot more people.
I guess the thing that gets me most is the fear that the Sonnen type personal will become more popular. That and the fact that he has a chance to win……imagine some kid looking up to this guy?
The best days of wrastlin were the wcw/nwo days with sting dropping in from the rafters with a trench coat and a baseball bat lol I used to watch wrestling too when I was growing up. To me there is a difference and shit like sonnen said after his last win is not necessary that’s wwf shit but it does put buts in the seats. I just hate to think how many ppl saw that last card as their first ufc ever and think.. ah so this is how this goes… its like wrestling but with real fighting
MMA = Best sport on earth
by FarNorCal on Oct 16, 2011 12:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
LOL.. when its Brock or Kimbo.... its THE END OF MMA AS WE KNOW IT
With Sonnen..its genius?
THIS is whats wrong with MMA. There is no problem taking someone with a fan following and capitalizing on it, doing this GARBAGE when we’re still clawing for mainstream coverage is hurting the sport more than the Walker’s Lesnars and Kimbo’s combined.
I am the WAMMA Light-Heavyweight Champion
Now with more defenses than Fedor
by Reality_Jockey on Oct 16, 2011 12:13 PM EDT reply actions
look at General giving Holland a run for his money as the best writer.. Good write up!
Always enjoy the SNME’s geno.. been a while..
"I have a vastly different opinion of what respect means then some people.. Some people think it's respectful to lie and to be nice to your face, bow and then put a knife in your back when you turn around... I will tell you to your face that when you turn around i will stick a knife in your back, and then i'll do it..
Now thats RESPECT!"
-Chael Sonnen
by stinky~fingers on Oct 16, 2011 12:28 PM EDT reply actions
Thanks, stinky.
Non-event weekends and it’s been a while since we’ve had a non-event weekend.
Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.
Garbage Pail Kids
Who writes this garbage?? Chael wouldn’t have been a star if it weren’t for his talking?? LMAOLMAO. This guy dominates motherfuckers, dude. Smothers fully grown men. Whoever is writing this crap needs to be replaced. I’ve almost had enough….this is my fave MMA news site, but man……some of this shit is insulting to the mind.
LOL
One man’s garbage is another man’s gold Geno. Stay golden.
"soon as you see the poke coming, shut your eye lid."
- Danago
"Anderson fought with no ribs. Aldo fought with no foot, go do the math."
- Danago
by haglnuts on Oct 16, 2011 1:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This guy dominates motherfuckers, dude. Smothers fully grown men.
For a moment there, I thought you were talking about Jon Fitch but then I remembered that we’re talking about a guy who is getting a title shot with a one fight win streak and a propensity of stealing pro wrestling catch phrases circa 1986 and using it in within the second decade of the 21st century thus making him a quote unquote genius in calling people out.
My mistake.
Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses. --The Knockout Mechanism.
Although I personally like Chael's agressive G&P style, many people argue that he LnPs his opponents
If Chael’s skill set was what made him a popular, and not his smack talk, why is Jon Fitch, Nik Lentz, Gray Maynard, Yushin Okami, and Dong Hyun Kim not even on the same planet of popularity as Sonnen is? Hell Mark Munoz is regarded has having far more fearsome G&P than Chael yet I don’t hear anyone talking about these fighters nearly as much. Sonnen clearly had to have done something that sets him apart from the aforementioned group of fighters.
by amendamatrix on Oct 16, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Sonnen
I’ve only seen about 3-4 of Sonnen’s losses but to me he sure was winning until he got submitted. Has anyone seen all or most of his fights and saw the same?
by ussclaudejones on Oct 16, 2011 12:50 PM EDT reply actions
You saw Chael winning the Damien Maia fight?
Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses. --The Knockout Mechanism.
I tell ya, some of you big babys get bent out of shape on the stupids shit, so what if Chaels doing and saying whatever.
If thats his style to promote a fight then if you don’t like it, then don’t watch his fights. The UFC will never tun into the WWE, WWF or whatever. Each of these fighters have their own personalities and will promote fights how they will without a script unlike wrestling. Some talk trash and some don’t. Chael is no different then any of the others that talk shit before fights just to hype it up. You guys hating on the MAN Chael are just jealous of his wit? or what?
Chael Sonnen is the MAN!!!
Chael isn't witty!
He is just disrespectfull. If a Brazillian fighter said some of the shit he has said but about the US you would all call for his head! And lets not forget he got beat by Anderson. So there is always that. And if you want a good laugh check out Chael vs Maia again
Chael is a genius because....
he directly pillages pro wrestling schtick , verbatim, from the golden, silver, copper, attitude, and garbage era of wrestling? Its one thing if he is actually coming up with these phrases or mannerisms, but he is directly taking quotes from youtube or his private stash of wrestling videos and using them. And now (most likely) he’s afforded a title shot?
He got finished in his fight with Anderson Silva. Then he got suspended for cheating. It’s in the books. He cheated. If Chael won, he would have been stripped of the belt and then suspended. He is damn sure not to get an immediate rematch (even though thats what Dana White was angling for).
Chael managed to have supporters miss that very important detail and focus on that he was winning the rounds with Ground and Pillow.
But hey, I guess in a way Chael is a genius. If he knows about pro wrestling, then he knows about marks. And if you have enough marks on your side, it can do wonders. They’ll do their best to argue fiction into reality.
Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses. --The Knockout Mechanism.
I like Chaels trash talkin
These guys are fightin each other, trying to destroy each other. Whats with the big taboo some fans have with trash talking? ….. a bit hypocritical .. Chael can say whatever he wants you dont have to like it…….but you dont have to whine like little girls about it neither. lol
If he can have an oppinion, so can we!
Just so you know Chael has the second most losses of all middleweights on the UFC payroll.
Not when it comes to justifying a rematch in which he lost by submission. Its very germane to the subject.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth." - Stephen King
Chael popular?
If you were in Houston at the hotel you would have seen Chaels popularity. Fans want audiograph, pictures with him, ect The thing is he go out of his way to promote a good emerge for the ufc.did you see him take the little kid out of his dads arms after the fight and take him back stage? That side that saw it loved it and im sure that will be a memory that lives forever. There are lots of storys about his work with boys and young men. Parents love his clean cut looks and unlike some so called mma experts can see the real man. All American Gangester , my ass just a colorful all American
Chael Popular
Cosiloty,
Sounds like you are a true MMA fan. You were at Houston and Backstage? I miss him taking the kid backstage but I wold not be surprised. I have been to many UFC fights pre fight and post fight and have gotten to first hand see what Chael is about. This guy is very bright. He is completely a different person off camera then he is on camera.
I am aware of his philanthropies. I am aware that his “money laundering” deal was what apparently 25% + of all real estate agents were doing when homes were being sold.
Most people are not aware that he checked with two attorneys and the office he worked with to make sure what he was doing was legal. (it was in Oregon, just not federally) I am aware he not only does not drink or do drugs that he had three opinions from doctors before taking testosterone therapy.
He has been served up some raw deals. He has been made out to be someone he is not and he is merely taking advantage of it.
I have become a big Chael Sonnen fan. I watched him first take on Trevor Prangley the Pancreation champion some 6-8 years ago.
This guy is popular and should be popular. He beats the living snot out of everyone he fights (win or lose). Many people may not like his character, but he truly is someone everyone is tuning in to see. Sonnen vs Silva will be one for the record books. It will make a lot of money for mostly the UFC, then Silva and lastly Sonnen. This guy want’s the belt more than fame or fortune and I have yet to see anyone put their training videos up on Youtube to show how hard they work.
Chael Sonnen is the real deal. Love him or hate him, there is no question he is very, very popular. He is more than famous. He is infamous.
Cheers
please tell me this is Sunny Santoro
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Oct 17, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions

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