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Saturday Night's Mania Event: The pro wrestling style genius of Chael Sonnen

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By now you've probably heard quite a few fans -- and just as many pundits -- tell you that UFC middleweight contender Chael Sonnen models himself after pro wrestlers. With his over the top interviews and larger than life personality, which is mostly fabricated, it's difficult to disagree with such a statement.

But how many truly know the extent of his pro wrestling genius?

I can imagine how many of you are checking out now, surely shaking your head at this subject matter. It's the old pro wrestling vs. MMA debate and whether or not the two actually have any discernible similarities. I'm not here to argue that, although it's important to note a few things.

Pro wrestling, while those that participate in it are athletes in the sense that they perform feats that require great athleticism, is not a sport. It's a form of entertainment, an art that few truly bother to ever really understand, even folks that call themselves fans.

MMA, on the other hand, is the pinnacle of sport. It represents the purest form of competition. One man's blood, sweat and tears against another man's blood, sweat and tears. It's violently romantic, a beautiful blend of carnage and fluid motion.

When putting it like that, how could the two possibly share a common bond?

The answer is in the promotion. The loose tie is tightened only when considering the nature of creating hype via savvy marketing. UFC President Dana White will admit to you that he borrowed heavily from the business model WWE head honcho Vince McMahon used to make his entertainment conglomerate a smashing pay-per-view success.

McMahon did so by eschewing pro wrestlers who knew how to work a match inside the ring for specialists with the gift of gab. Hulk Hogan, a name nearly all of you should know, certainly didn't rise to prominence because of his big boot and ensuing leg drop. In fact, his matches are widely regarded as the worst in main event level history.

But he had an aura about him and knew exactly how to turn a microphone into a tool to control the crowd that paid to see him. He made you want to spend your hard earned money to watch him wrestle even if you had never actually seen him wrestle. That's how charismatic he was when cutting his promos. His timing and delivery was -- and still is -- unmatchable. 

Chael Sonnen, who never would have been a star otherwise, used these principles to not only talk himself into a title shot against one of the greatest fighters that ever lived, but he turned himself into one of the biggest stars in the entire industry.

Star-divide

Rewind back to Feb. 21, 2009, and UFC 95 in London, England. Sonnen fought at that event, the second act on the main card of a free show on Spike TV. He was making his re-debut inside the Octagon for his second tour of duty and while he had grown since his initial stint with the promotion, it didn't show in that first fight back.

He was taken down and submitted just a few minutes into the contest.

This wasn't the same Sonnen, though. Sure, his Achilles heel had reared its ugly head once again to cost him a bout against a future title challenger. But his wrestling was as good as it had ever been and his mouth was as potent as it would ever be.

He quickly rebounded by accepting a short notice match-up against Dan Miller, gaining favor in the process, and outworking the New Jersey native en route to a decision victory.

It was around this time that Sonnen's tongue began working almost as hard as his takedowns.

Ensuing victories over Yushin Okami and Nate Marquardt, both dominant decision wins, lacked the excitement typical fight fans usually crave. But, again, he made up for this by selling his fights not with his abilities inside the cage but with his speaking skills outside of it.

Sounds familiar, no?

After his victory over Marquardt, Sonnen began unleashing verbal bombs on Middleweight Champion Anderson Silva. He did what no other 185-pound fighter in the UFC was willing to and he called "The Spider" out at every turn. He learned from notable pro wrestling promo artists like Rowdy Roddy Piper how to turn himself into a hot commodity. 

He did so by turning himself into a character.

The sporting enthusiasts among the MMA audience loathed him for his less than honest method of shameless self promotion. Sonnen utilized what's known as "kayfabe" -- the act of creating -- and never breaking -- character in order to better market himself to sell pay-per-views.

His game plan was carefully crafted. Silva, you see, had a reputation of his own as a supremely talented fighter that had no real respect for the fans. His abilities were otherworldly but if he felt unchallenged, he had a tendency to mail in performances.

When I say mail in, I mean openly mock his opponent, his employers, and all the fans in attendance and watching at home. He was loved for how unbelievably talented he is but hated for his perceived attitude as a bit of a diva. Silva can speak English, but rarely does so when conducting interviews. Instead, he uses a translator, his manager Ed Soares, who has a tendency to conveniently forget a word or two when relaying back what his fighter says. 

Sonnen saw and heard this and used it to his advantage. Chael, the man, may or may not have felt the same as fans but Chael, the character, lambasted Silva for his shortcomings in the media. He did so to endear himself to the wider audience, who had previously refused to accept him as an elite fighter. It's not that he wasn't but his style of fighting, which relies largely on a grappling heavy top control game, is the least aesthetically pleasing mixed martial art. So instead of making himself famous by spectacularly knocking out a band of elite middleweights like Silva did, he used timing, a microphone and marketing savvy to become the antihero that fans had been waiting for as a foil to the seemingly untouchable 185-pound king.

There were those that were terribly turned off by Sonnen's blatant insincerity. This group of people generally leaned toward hating his guts for even bringing this sort of behavior into the usually classy world of mixed martial arts. They wished nothing more than for Silva to give him his comeuppance.

And that, my friends, is the genius.

Sonnen managed to use pro wrestling influence to do what most modern day pro wrestlers can't even do -- he played both sides of the fence and made the largest audience possible want to pay to see him fight. He worked one group into thinking he was the perfect foil for Silva and his wrestling style would finally bring an end to the middleweight champions five year reign of terror. He worked the other group into enough of a frenzy that they simply wanted to watch "The Spider" destroy him once they finally stepped inside the cage and the talking stopped.

It was utterly brilliant.

The result of the fight, at that point and to his larger purpose, was immaterial. If he won, hey, he backed up his big talk. If he lost, whatever, he got a huge payday out of it and made himself into a media darling that will have a sustained career afterwards as a main event level draw. 

Sonnen would go on to lose that night at UFC 117 but not until he pounded away at Silva for four and a half rounds. He backed up every bit of his big talk by using the same game plan he flat out told the champion he would. Takedown, ground and pound, rinse and repeat.

But, in the fifth and final round, with the title within his grasp, Sonnen choked ... literally. He allowed himself to be snared up in a triangle and tapped to award his opponent the victory. Silva went home the champion, Sonnen went home having made himself a star and the UFC basked in the glow of a highly successful pay-per-view event.

Sonnen became even more like a pro wrestler when word came about that he failed a drug test for elevated levels of testosterone after the fight. It marred what was otherwise an unbelievable all around performance.

Controversy would follow, including Sonnen being busted for money laundering and lying in front of the California State Athletic Commission (CSAC). He would emerge relatively unscathed, though, as the reputation he had built beforehand was one of a liar, anyway. He broke kayfabe only every now and again and only long enough to earn himself the proper points to get back to where he needed to go.

Throughout the entire process, he never stopped calling out Silva. Despite losing to him by way of definitive submission, he maintained he would earn himself a rematch and finish the job he came so close to doing last year.

But how?

Silva and his management team played their cards smart by simply stating that other worthy contenders were available and fresh talent was emerging every day. Sonnen losing by way of submission, instead of say, controversial decision, didn't exactly give him much of a case for a rematch, even if he came closer than anyone to defeating the dominant champion.

Sonnen, though, a cerebral tactician with the ultimate goal always in mind, positioned himself perfectly once again to challenge his arch nemesis and earn a big payday in the process.

Here's how he did it.

He accepted a bout against Brian Stann at UFC 136 on Oct. 8 in Houston, Texas. This accomplished many things. For starters, Stann had been on an absolute tear leading into the fight and was widely considered a potential title challenger ... if he could win one or two more fights. Just as soon as he was paired up against Sonnen, the bout was announced as a number one contender match.

The bout was also booked to take place in the state of Texas, which has a notoriously lax athletic commission who wouldn't hesitate to clear Sonnen to fight by granting him his license. And they didn't.

The UFC was also holding a Fan Expo during the weekend, meaning all the big stars on the roster would make their way down and most of them would be in attendance for the fights.

Including Anderson Silva.

Finally, Sonnen was simply a style nightmare for Stann. His strong wrestling and relentless pressure would prove too much to overcome, as the Republican former realtor absolutely destroyed "All American" en route to a second round submission finish, about as good a result as Sonnen could have possibly hoped for.

And then color commentator Joe Rogan entered the cage for the usual post-fight interview and Sonnen became even more pro wrestling than pro wrestling. This was his moment to sell the masses on a second fight against Silva. This was his time to explain to everyone why he should be given a second shot at the title despite losing definitively the first time around. This was his time to shine.

And shine he did.

He kicked things off like any great promo artist by delivering a line that would grab the attention of the entire arena while also letting them know he means business.

"Anderson Silva, you absolutely suck!"

The crowd exploded with glee, the same crowd that booed him during his entrance before his fight against Stann. This was made even more incredible because, again, Silva was sitting in his seat not far from the cage with Sonnen looking directly at him while he said this.

It's a brilliant move, really, to use this forum to say such a thing. Silva is essentially a hapless victim, trapped like a sitting duck to sustain the oncoming verbal assault while the live crowd cheers it on.

Even if he wanted to, he couldn't do a damn thing about it.

Then came the bait:

"Super Bowl weekend will be the biggest rematch in the history of this business. I'm calling you out, but we're upping the stakes."

Now the crowd, which was already on its feet, is on pins and needles awaiting what Sonnen will say next. This is his mastery of manipulation. He had the crowd eating out of the palm of his hand, heavily intrigued by what will come next.

Then the hook:

"I beat you, you leave the division. You beat me, I will leave the UFC ... forever."

That's pro wrestling at its finest.

Sonnen has now done two things: He's established a solid reason to hold the rematch that extends beyond his coming close to winning the first time. If he loses, he'll bail on MMA (which is entirely possible considering his age and other factors) and if he wins, Silva will hardly be able to show his face inside UFC arenas. The Brazilian has no reason to follow the "leave the division" stipulation but again, that's not even the point. What happens after the bout is immaterial, as noted previously.

The other, more important, thing Sonnen accomplished with this was he got the fans right back on his side. Maybe not in the sense that they'll cheer him but they'll most definitely be ready and willing to drop another $60 on a pay-per-view headlined by Anderson Silva vs. Chael Sonnen part deux.

And that's it in a nutshell, ladies and gentlemen.

That's Sonnen using pro wrestling influence to manipulate his way to the top of the food chain using a combination of skilled fighting with stellar marketing to make a boatload of money for all involved.

And hell, we fans might even be treated to another classic finish.

Nothing wrong with that.

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One problem here boys// this isn't pro wrestling

I for one don’t need the flare!

This is fighting at it finest form/ there should be no place for false trash talk.. ie chael sonnen

If you need this kind of garbage to get you excited for a fight , then you were never a fan of fighting in the first place!

by letstalkmma on Oct 16, 2011 3:38 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

hardcores don't need it

but casual fans do and the only thing that matters in business is profits, and this shit sells

by hp21 on Oct 16, 2011 4:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's not needed, no, but..

it has to be recognised and understood for what it is, a marketing tool. we let dudes stand in front of each other the day before the fight and, although rare, jaw and threaten each other to the pleasure of its fans and promoters.
as far as bringing the argument of “may literally result in death” i can only say this. every sport has elements of danger and the vast majority of the sporting fan population puts aside any silliness or immaturity once face to face w/ an athlete or group of athletes are in danger of death or serious injury.
watch a team sport where rivals are facing each other. even if they are the biggest rivals, if something awful happens in relation to injury the whole crowd shuts the fuck up and focuses on the injured player/fighter.

"There are no atheists in foxholes" isn't an argument against atheism, it's an argument against foxholes. ~James Morrow
"There is a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot."-Steven Wright

by F'n Clownshoes on Oct 16, 2011 4:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

There is flare in all forms of entertainment

Boxing has entertainment even at its earliest time in the modern era with the likes of Rocky Marciano. His flair was his undefeated streak. Tysons flair was his destruction of foes with his trash talk. Ali was well known for his flair and trash talk which he said came from watching Gorgeous George. So dont get all high and mighty by saying that some how connecting MMA to wrestling lowers its aura. Remember for awhile MMA was banned from many states only recently so there is really no aura to hurt.

I've got something to say; it better to burn out than to fade away!!!
Is it really funny Mayhem, please tell me its funny.
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by dandeman on Oct 16, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Ali was HEAVILY influenced by pro wrestling.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Oct 16, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Knocking guys the fuck out is boring?

Yeah, okay. Go watch wwe if you want dumb shit like what sonnen is doing.

UFC 137 Main Card Predictions:

George St. Pierre def Carlos Condit by UD
BJ Penn def Nick Diaz by 2nd Rd TKO
Matt Mitrione def Cheick Congo by 1st Rd KO
Roy Nelson def Mirko Filipovic by SD
Hatsu Hioki def George Roop by UD

by MMA Boss on Oct 16, 2011 11:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

dancing and fighting half ass is boring. bowing at your opponents feet and then dancing around is disrespectful.

now if anderson was trying his hardest from the start of the bell like say…….the great Dan “Hendo” Henderson, he would have alot more fans. instead, he is a divalicious prick.

by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 16, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

-1 to conan

"When swinging from nut-sack of the mighty "Quittin" Rampage Jackson, try to avoid getting his ball-sweat in your eyes….it tends to blind you from the obvious. Now, if I could just play a round of golf with my dream foursome of Chael Sonnen, Larry Merchant and Danago, I can die a happy man."

by wooly shambler on Oct 16, 2011 11:46 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

+1 Conan Have to even out a Barbarian

I've got something to say; it better to burn out than to fade away!!!
Is it really funny Mayhem, please tell me its funny.
X Box Gamertag: OneRabidDingo

by dandeman on Oct 16, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, you mean the guy who got his ass beat by silva.

Yeah, I heard of him. And btw, silva has more fans. Dan has never sold a ppv card in his life. His ratings with strikefarce even sucked. Shogun is going to beat him anyway, dan hasn’t beaten a top 5 fighter in years.

UFC 137 Main Card Predictions:

George St. Pierre def Carlos Condit by UD
BJ Penn def Nick Diaz by 2nd Rd TKO
Matt Mitrione def Cheick Congo by 1st Rd KO
Roy Nelson def Mirko Filipovic by SD
Hatsu Hioki def George Roop by UD

by MMA Boss on Oct 16, 2011 5:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

um, mma "is anderson your" boss or something?how can anyone defend his insults is beyond me. the pathetic part is that nut huggin faggots like you would will bitch about how it isn't anderson's fault for fighting second rate fighters that he easily clowns

then turn right around and say guys like sonnenand hendo don’t deserve a rematch, but lesser fighters like stann and bisbing do. if you were really a fan you would want to see anderson pushed. instead you slurp up his ko’s of guys soares approves and excuse his constant fake injuries against real competition. pathetic.anderson silva is a disrespectful prick to his opponents and he needs another beating from sonnen immediately. he is going to dodge him though and you will make excuses. silva an soares are gona do everything they can to keep andrson from signing on the dotted line.

by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 16, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who cares, the fan fare is funny, and we still get to see the fight. Why bitch? Fuck that anti pro wrestling shit, it is what it is, you sound like one of those homophobes whos really a homo. Save that Pro Wrestling Wah nonsense for those fags on BE.

by p123 on Oct 16, 2011 4:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

wait, so

a guy who doesn’t want their legitimate sport to become a soap opera marketed to 13 year old boys, starring actors dressed in their underwear is a homo? yeah that makes sense.

I have officially seen the light, which Melvin Guillard has not seen due to all the Cocaine abuse which has clouded his ego over the years, Now I know that Lance Storm is definitely one of the smartest man to ever grace this website.

by ShivanTiger on Oct 16, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Says the guy that came from be. lol.

UFC 137 Main Card Predictions:

George St. Pierre def Carlos Condit by UD
BJ Penn def Nick Diaz by 2nd Rd TKO
Matt Mitrione def Cheick Congo by 1st Rd KO
Roy Nelson def Mirko Filipovic by SD
Hatsu Hioki def George Roop by UD

by MMA Boss on Oct 16, 2011 10:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

+123

"When swinging from nut-sack of the mighty "Quittin" Rampage Jackson, try to avoid getting his ball-sweat in your eyes….it tends to blind you from the obvious. Now, if I could just play a round of golf with my dream foursome of Chael Sonnen, Larry Merchant and Danago, I can die a happy man."

by wooly shambler on Oct 16, 2011 11:47 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Couldn't agree more.

Chael cheapens the whole thing and takes away from the brilliant matchups we are currently seeing. Fuck Sonnen, he’s ridiculous and disrespectful and he has no place in a real sport, looking for mainstream acceptance. He’s a good fighter but he’s a clown.

"Those who bring sunshine to the lives of others cannot keep it from themselves."
- James M. Barrie

by Rilly on Oct 16, 2011 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

bullshit, anderson silva is the most disrespectful prick in mma. chael talks shit, so what. when the bell rings he pays his opponents the ultimate honor and fights them hard.

silva gives a fake bow, then dances and insults them. the most respectful ting you can do to your opponent is give your best effort to best them. silva is the clown.

by Conan the Barbarian on Oct 16, 2011 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

What other possible fights other than GSP, who's not moving up anytime soon, or Jon Jones, who is busy cleaning out 205, is more intriguing than this fight?

Mainstream accepts Jersey Shore, I think they will accept Chael with open arms. You’re right though, Chael is a clown, but clowns make money by entertaining people, so Chael is doing what he is supposed to do.

by amendamatrix on Oct 16, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

You need to understand the reality of the situation, MMA is as much business as it is a sport. That's why they call it PRIZEFIGHTING.

You, the hardcore MMA fan, may not need the drama and trash talk associated with the general hype of a fight, but the casual fan, and even people like me, who used to watch wrestling many years ago, greatly appreciate it when it’s done well. Chael Sonnen is not really doing anything different from what Mayweather, and Ali did to drive attention to themselves and entice people into paying to see them fight. Very few of the casual mma fan base gravitate to big fights solely off the skill level, it’s because they are attracted by the larger than life personalities one or both of the fighters (ie: Brock), or they are feeding off of the drama/storyline leading up to the fight (ie:Rampage vs Rashad, Silva vs Sonnen)
 
There is a damn good reason why Dana White is trying to set this rematch up, it’s because this fight allows Anderson Silva, GOAT of middleweight, to get the highest amount of ppv sales, and exposure, thus making everyone involved in the fight the most amount of money. Silva only gets good ppv buys(500K+) under 1 of 2 conditions:

- Silva is fighting on a card that also features other star fighters, and because of that, he is not burdened with being the main attraction. (IE: UFC 73, 97, 101, 112)
- Silva is fighting an opponent that he has a convincing feud with, or an opponent who’s personality and interviews captures the hearts and minds of the audience. (IE: Chael Sonnen, Vitor Belfort)

All of Silva’s other ppvs are 300-350K, which is disappointing compared to GSP, Rampage, and Brock, who are lesser p4p fighters.

You should be happy that Chael Sonnen is driving up interest in both he and Silva, because at the end of the day, the more people watching the fight, the more money goes into everyone’s pockets.

by amendamatrix on Oct 16, 2011 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

You're right, money drives the whole thing but...

A sports credibility has to be weighed against it’s success in the mainstream. Yes, Jersey Shore gets viewers on board (amazingly!) but it is a bunch of twenty somethings acting the fool, with very little consequence. In MMA you’re talking about two guys putting their life on the line. The analogy just doesn’t sit right with me.

This sport is not a joke, Jersey Shore is. Chael could be seen as cheapening a warriors sport down to reality TV levels because his ranting is so bizarre. It’s like going to see the bearded woman at the freak show. Yes people go but they will get sick of it if the freaks aren’t more and more outrageous. It’s a slippery slide to nowhere and it could eventually alienate the hardcore fans as it has in so many other sports.

The UFC has grown because of a revolutionary approach to prize fighting so i don’t know why they have to revert to the low brow WWE style approach for a quick buck.

I must say your argument above is solid though and a very legitimate angle. I suppose i’m old school in wanting to seperate some of the financials from the ethos of mma, ormaybe i’m just playing the righteous side of the devils advocate.

Any way, despite Chael’s rantings and cheating no one could argue he is not the best matchup for Silva at the moment. Who else have we got!?

"Those who bring sunshine to the lives of others cannot keep it from themselves."
- James M. Barrie

by Rilly on Oct 16, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't mind it

all i am saying is the hardcore fans are going to buy the ppv for the fights no matter what. If chael talks all this shit we are still going to buy the fight. the casual fans are also going to buy the fight bc chael acted a fool and thats what they like. I dont even mind the trash talk it makes me laugh.

by hp21 on Oct 16, 2011 4:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stick to your guns man.

If it helps the sport grow in a sustainable way then that’s good. But Chael isn’t sustainable, he attracts people who need more than a sport that is already flying along. Pls don’t let Sonnens shit talk be the norm!!

"Those who bring sunshine to the lives of others cannot keep it from themselves."
- James M. Barrie

by Rilly on Oct 16, 2011 6:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

makes sense?

so it’s ok for zuffa to model their entire business structure around pro-wrestling, as long as none of their employees do it?

by tha dude on Oct 16, 2011 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

i use to watch pro wrestling

every Monday with my grandpa i would watch then i started to be able to predict what was going to happen and found out it was fake and stopped watching. so i have fond memories of watching wrestling. so i know why i don’t mind it, but i don’t need it.

by hp21 on Oct 16, 2011 4:16 AM EDT reply actions  

I wish a light weight would pick up the mic and do the same

I think that would definitely clear up the division

It doesn't matter what your name is!! The Rock will take your roody-poo candy ass to the corner of Know your role Boulevard and Jabroni Drive and check you in to the smackdown hotel!! If you smell what The Rock is cookin'!!

by Garbanzo on Oct 16, 2011 4:17 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Guida 3rd tko frankie UD

guida is going to get all his shots stuffed, then get beat up standing then find himself on his back and finished via gnp. idk why i think bendo can beat frankie except the size difference and some kind of intuition

by hp21 on Oct 16, 2011 4:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Dude he will beat frankie because he is better at mma/ He will mix it up// Thats where Maynard fucked up/ He didn''t mix it up at all.

Go watch the hendo vs miller one more time, and you will see exactly why he will beat frankie.

And i don’t want to hear oh well frankie beat jim, Jim is ever improving and henderson made him look like an amatuer.

by letstalkmma on Oct 16, 2011 4:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

frankies striking

frankie is a better striker and has tdd. thats where i see problems for bendo.

by hp21 on Oct 16, 2011 4:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

guida will get finished

bendo is gonna put him on his back and guida will be uncomfortable and get tko’d

by hp21 on Oct 16, 2011 4:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly think bendo could take him down at will/ once again levels/ he is switching levels so well.

One minute you think is gonna punch and he shoots. This will cause problems for anyone.

by letstalkmma on Oct 16, 2011 4:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's all for none tho

Because his first defense would have to be pettis. And we know how that fight would end up again. Not good for bendo

Fav fighters - Machida, Faber, Koch, Hominick, Pettis, Hardy, Cerrone and killer Cain

by Kalejohncox on Oct 16, 2011 10:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Speaking of Bendo and the mic

I’m glad he cut down on the God talk in the post fight, but I too want Bendo to destroy Guida

It doesn't matter what your name is!! The Rock will take your roody-poo candy ass to the corner of Know your role Boulevard and Jabroni Drive and check you in to the smackdown hotel!! If you smell what The Rock is cookin'!!

by Garbanzo on Oct 16, 2011 4:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bendo is going to get taken down left and right. Guida will officially welcome him to the UFC style of rape and shoulder strikes.

by p123 on Oct 16, 2011 4:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

You think so? Guida is a monster stifler. Bendo is much bigger though. But Bendo fights that WEC style, where hey let’s fight everywhere. He hasn’t encountered a true UFC game plan guy who has no problem in making a fight terribly boring for the sake of winning.

by p123 on Oct 16, 2011 5:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

I do hope so though, I hate fucking Guida.

by p123 on Oct 16, 2011 5:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

guidas wrestling can be stiffled

bendo wrestling is better plus he is bigger and athletic, so i dont see guida getting him down.

by hp21 on Oct 16, 2011 5:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

When has Guida really been stifled from his stifling? When did Bendo become such a great wrestler?

Bendo is def much bigger and more athletic, but Guida has one of those, I will wrestle you no matter what ala Sonnen Fitch etc etc. Bendo is more like freestyle I guess I would say.

Guida def will get him down, multiple times, can Bendo get up is the real question. Guida has unlimited cardio, terrible striking, and will go for Takedowns non stop. Not many can stop Guida, maybe on Maynard can.

by p123 on Oct 16, 2011 5:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

bendo is def gonna smash

after he is done he will trash talk the devil.

by hp21 on Oct 16, 2011 4:21 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

"When swinging from nut-sack of the mighty "Quittin" Rampage Jackson, try to avoid getting his ball-sweat in your eyes….it tends to blind you from the obvious. Now, if I could just play a round of golf with my dream foursome of Chael Sonnen, Larry Merchant and Danago, I can die a happy man."

by wooly shambler on Oct 16, 2011 11:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

BTW Bendo is a much cooler name than smooth

It doesn't matter what your name is!! The Rock will take your roody-poo candy ass to the corner of Know your role Boulevard and Jabroni Drive and check you in to the smackdown hotel!! If you smell what The Rock is cookin'!!

by Garbanzo on Oct 16, 2011 4:23 AM EDT reply actions  

but who on forums calls him smooth?

It doesn't matter what your name is!! The Rock will take your roody-poo candy ass to the corner of Know your role Boulevard and Jabroni Drive and check you in to the smackdown hotel!! If you smell what The Rock is cookin'!!

by Garbanzo on Oct 16, 2011 4:25 AM EDT reply actions  

In his WEC fights he was unsubmitable

I don’t see that changing

It doesn't matter what your name is!! The Rock will take your roody-poo candy ass to the corner of Know your role Boulevard and Jabroni Drive and check you in to the smackdown hotel!! If you smell what The Rock is cookin'!!

by Garbanzo on Oct 16, 2011 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good article Geno, I thought it was great what Sonnen done exactly as you said. I class myself as a hardcore fan but still I dont have a problem with what he does ( even if I don’t exactly agree with all the shit he says ) funny thing is, I don’t even believe his bullshit and after his interview with Rogan I was still cheering and can’t wait for the rematch

by eagzy on Oct 16, 2011 4:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Agreed

It doesn't matter what your name is!! The Rock will take your roody-poo candy ass to the corner of Know your role Boulevard and Jabroni Drive and check you in to the smackdown hotel!! If you smell what The Rock is cookin'!!

by Garbanzo on Oct 16, 2011 4:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

just read your sig

did you make that just for this thread lol

by hp21 on Oct 16, 2011 4:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nope I did it after I found out The Rock would be at the next Wrestlemania

It doesn't matter what your name is!! The Rock will take your roody-poo candy ass to the corner of Know your role Boulevard and Jabroni Drive and check you in to the smackdown hotel!! If you smell what The Rock is cookin'!!

by Garbanzo on Oct 16, 2011 4:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still watch ProWrestling but it isn't what it was when I was a teenager

Back in the days of The Rock, DX, and Stone Cold

It doesn't matter what your name is!! The Rock will take your roody-poo candy ass to the corner of Know your role Boulevard and Jabroni Drive and check you in to the smackdown hotel!! If you smell what The Rock is cookin'!!

by Garbanzo on Oct 16, 2011 4:37 AM EDT reply actions  

i use to watch wcw

my fav’s when i was 8-12. rowdy rowdy piper, ddp, the wolfpack for awhile,and sting

by hp21 on Oct 16, 2011 4:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Oh boys i feel sorry for you never saw the glory days of the wwf!

When WCW was going strong that was the end of the greatness/ it was entertaining but at the same time saddening!

by letstalkmma on Oct 16, 2011 4:47 AM EDT reply actions  

At the end of the day

ppl want to see two fighters who hate each other and want to beat the shit outta each other go at it .If two fighters spend the time leading up to the fight respecting and complimenting each other and cuddling u know chances are there not gunna pull the trigger the same as if they hated each other.They will hold back regardless of what they say ,if they hate isnt there the venom isnt there.Fans wanna see carnage not a respectful stand off

by ufcaddicted on Oct 16, 2011 6:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Speak for yourself meathead.

by danago on Oct 16, 2011 7:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

but its true

two rivals fighting will make a better fight than two bff’s.thats a fact.

by ufcaddicted on Oct 16, 2011 7:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

That’s your opinion.

by danago on Oct 16, 2011 7:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

maybe at the amateur level

UFC fighters, for the most part are two disciplined and have to much to lose to fight on emotions. This is their career, they are in that cage to do their job, not get revenge because of something their opponent tweeted or said in an interview.

I have officially seen the light, which Melvin Guillard has not seen due to all the Cocaine abuse which has clouded his ego over the years, Now I know that Lance Storm is definitely one of the smartest man to ever grace this website.

by ShivanTiger on Oct 16, 2011 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I never said every fighter
for the most part

I have officially seen the light, which Melvin Guillard has not seen due to all the Cocaine abuse which has clouded his ego over the years, Now I know that Lance Storm is definitely one of the smartest man to ever grace this website.

by ShivanTiger on Oct 16, 2011 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

meh

 i missed the wrestling thing..never got it..though you had to live under a rock not to know who hulk hogan and such were..so yes wwe or wwf or whatever they call it made an impact..and now a days you will also find people who may not even watch mma be able to recognize chuck liddel or tito or randy couture..and certainly lots of people know who gsp (though he is newer to the sport than the old schooler) so anyways..my point here is.. i would rather leave the wwe stigma out of mma… it is a sport that does not have fake fighting..and should leave the man soap opera shit out of it for the sport to become a well respected thing.. i don’t mind some smack talk..and i don’t love gsp robotic prepackaged safe prefight talk..but i would take that over all the shit that spews out of chael mouth..sure he is kinda funny etc..but i don’t believe people tune in to see two people who hate each other brawl..that has almost NEVER been a part of mix martial arts.. it is about two very well trained and disciplined fighters trying to put their best skills out there to get the win.. associating it with bad blood or beefs or bringing it down to a level of bar fights or bully school yard shit cheapens the hell out of what is a very exciting and difficult sport!…..and end rant!!

by sarah- on Oct 16, 2011 8:05 AM EDT reply actions  

heh…hehheh…you said beef

It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.

by Jesse Holland on Oct 17, 2011 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

and 90% of MMA fighters

if you don’t like the guy, that’s fine. just don’t pretend that he’s doing things that no one else in MMA is doing or else you might look like and idiot.

i love that qualifier. “might” :)

by tha dude on Oct 16, 2011 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ya cause 90% are off the charts drenched with testosterone

to an illegal level before they fight

"When swinging from nut-sack of the mighty "Quittin" Rampage Jackson, try to avoid getting his ball-sweat in your eyes….it tends to blind you from the obvious. Now, if I could just play a round of golf with my dream foursome of Chael Sonnen, Larry Merchant and Danago, I can die a happy man."

by wooly shambler on Oct 16, 2011 11:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well if everybody is doing it...

and hardly anybody gets caught.. then how big a fucking idiot does that make sonnen….

by XxBomberxX on Oct 16, 2011 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

it is not genius, it is his nature

-Convicted of fraud
-Ran for office (imagine HIM in office?)
-Cheated in the ring by taking hormones
-talking garbage

they are all connected and show a lack of morality on Sonnen’s part.

sb
PS: I don’t watch wresting for a reason. maybe Sonnen should give up the ring for WWE

by sb905 on Oct 16, 2011 10:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Fortunately, that list makes him the perfect villain for Chael haters, draw from.

I couldn’t care less about any of the above with the realm of MMA, but for those that do care, hate on, I’m sure you would enjoy seeing Silva trying to knock his head off come fight night.

by amendamatrix on Oct 16, 2011 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

true....

ture… all of brazil will watch and a lot more people.

I guess the thing that gets me most is the fear that the Sonnen type personal will become more popular. That and the fact that he has a chance to win……imagine some kid looking up to this guy?

by sb905 on Oct 16, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

The best days of wrastlin were the wcw/nwo days with sting dropping in from the rafters with a trench coat and a baseball bat lol I used to watch wrestling too when I was growing up. To me there is a difference and shit like sonnen said after his last win is not necessary that’s wwf shit but it does put buts in the seats. I just hate to think how many ppl saw that last card as their first ufc ever and think.. ah so this is how this goes… its like wrestling but with real fighting

MMA = Best sport on earth

by FarNorCal on Oct 16, 2011 12:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

LOL.. when its Brock or Kimbo.... its THE END OF MMA AS WE KNOW IT

With Sonnen..its genius?

THIS is whats wrong with MMA. There is no problem taking someone with a fan following and capitalizing on it, doing this GARBAGE when we’re still clawing for mainstream coverage is hurting the sport more than the Walker’s Lesnars and Kimbo’s combined.

I am the WAMMA Light-Heavyweight Champion

Now with more defenses than Fedor

by Reality_Jockey on Oct 16, 2011 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

look at General giving Holland a run for his money as the best writer.. Good write up!

Always enjoy the SNME’s geno.. been a while..

"I have a vastly different opinion of what respect means then some people.. Some people think it's respectful to lie and to be nice to your face, bow and then put a knife in your back when you turn around... I will tell you to your face that when you turn around i will stick a knife in your back, and then i'll do it..
Now thats RESPECT!"

-Chael Sonnen

by stinky~fingers on Oct 16, 2011 12:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks, stinky.

Non-event weekends and it’s been a while since we’ve had a non-event weekend.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Oct 16, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Garbage Pail Kids

Who writes this garbage?? Chael wouldn’t have been a star if it weren’t for his talking?? LMAOLMAO. This guy dominates motherfuckers, dude. Smothers fully grown men. Whoever is writing this crap needs to be replaced. I’ve almost had enough….this is my fave MMA news site, but man……some of this shit is insulting to the mind.

by Jonny Kush on Oct 16, 2011 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Uh

I write this garbage.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Oct 16, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

One man’s garbage is another man’s gold Geno. Stay golden.

"soon as you see the poke coming, shut your eye lid."
- Danago
"Anderson fought with no ribs. Aldo fought with no foot, go do the math."
- Danago

by haglnuts on Oct 16, 2011 1:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Ha.

Thanks, brother.

Forget it Donny, you're out of your element.

by Geno Mrosko on Oct 16, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

This guy dominates motherfuckers, dude. Smothers fully grown men.

For a moment there, I thought you were talking about Jon Fitch but then I remembered that we’re talking about a guy who is getting a title shot with a one fight win streak and a propensity of stealing pro wrestling catch phrases circa 1986 and using it in within the second decade of the 21st century thus making him a quote unquote genius in calling people out.

My mistake.

Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses. --The Knockout Mechanism.

by battlestar on Oct 16, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although I personally like Chael's agressive G&P style, many people argue that he LnPs his opponents

If Chael’s skill set was what made him a popular, and not his smack talk, why is Jon Fitch, Nik Lentz, Gray Maynard, Yushin Okami, and Dong Hyun Kim not even on the same planet of popularity as Sonnen is? Hell Mark Munoz is regarded has having far more fearsome G&P than Chael yet I don’t hear anyone talking about these fighters nearly as much. Sonnen clearly had to have done something that sets him apart from the aforementioned group of fighters.

by amendamatrix on Oct 16, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sonnen

I’ve only seen about 3-4 of Sonnen’s losses but to me he sure was winning until he got submitted. Has anyone seen all or most of his fights and saw the same?

by ussclaudejones on Oct 16, 2011 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

You saw Chael winning the Damien Maia fight?

Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses. --The Knockout Mechanism.

by battlestar on Oct 16, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I tell ya, some of you big babys get bent out of shape on the stupids shit, so what if Chaels doing and saying whatever.

If thats his style to promote a fight then if you don’t like it, then don’t watch his fights. The UFC will never tun into the WWE, WWF or whatever. Each of these fighters have their own personalities and will promote fights how they will without a script unlike wrestling. Some talk trash and some don’t. Chael is no different then any of the others that talk shit before fights just to hype it up. You guys hating on the MAN Chael are just jealous of his wit? or what?

Chael Sonnen is the MAN!!!

by Rubberman on Oct 16, 2011 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Chael isn't witty!

He is just disrespectfull. If a Brazillian fighter said some of the shit he has said but about the US you would all call for his head! And lets not forget he got beat by Anderson. So there is always that. And if you want a good laugh check out Chael vs Maia again

by Keith Spurlock on Oct 16, 2011 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Chael is a genius because....

he directly pillages pro wrestling schtick , verbatim, from the golden, silver, copper, attitude, and garbage era of wrestling? Its one thing if he is actually coming up with these phrases or mannerisms, but he is directly taking quotes from youtube or his private stash of wrestling videos and using them. And now (most likely) he’s afforded a title shot?

He got finished in his fight with Anderson Silva. Then he got suspended for cheating. It’s in the books. He cheated. If Chael won, he would have been stripped of the belt and then suspended. He is damn sure not to get an immediate rematch (even though thats what Dana White was angling for).

Chael managed to have supporters miss that very important detail and focus on that he was winning the rounds with Ground and Pillow.

But hey, I guess in a way Chael is a genius. If he knows about pro wrestling, then he knows about marks. And if you have enough marks on your side, it can do wonders. They’ll do their best to argue fiction into reality.

Hey, I'll take it from here because you obviously don't know what you're doing... Lie down now, rest, and we'll talk about this when you regain your senses. --The Knockout Mechanism.

by battlestar on Oct 16, 2011 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I like Chaels trash talkin

These guys are fightin each other, trying to destroy each other. Whats with the big taboo some fans have with trash talking? ….. a bit hypocritical .. Chael can say whatever he wants you dont have to like it…….but you dont have to whine like little girls about it neither. lol

by folsomprison on Oct 16, 2011 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

If he can have an oppinion, so can we!

Just so you know Chael has the second most losses of all middleweights on the UFC payroll.

by Keith Spurlock on Oct 16, 2011 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Chael popular?

If you were in Houston at the hotel you would have seen Chaels popularity. Fans want audiograph, pictures with him, ect The thing is he go out of his way to promote a good emerge for the ufc.did you see him take the little kid out of his dads arms after the fight and take him back stage? That side that saw it loved it and im sure that will be a memory that lives forever. There are lots of storys about his work with boys and young men. Parents love his clean cut looks and unlike some so called mma experts can see the real man. All American Gangester , my ass just a colorful all American

by Cosiloty on Oct 16, 2011 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Chael Popular

Cosiloty,

Sounds like you are a true MMA fan. You were at Houston and Backstage? I miss him taking the kid backstage but I wold not be surprised. I have been to many UFC fights pre fight and post fight and have gotten to first hand see what Chael is about. This guy is very bright. He is completely a different person off camera then he is on camera.

 I am aware of his philanthropies. I am aware that his “money laundering” deal was what apparently 25% + of all real estate agents were doing when homes were being sold.
Most people are not aware that he checked with two attorneys and the office he worked with to make sure what he was doing was legal. (it was in Oregon, just not federally) I am aware he not only does not drink or do drugs that he had three opinions from doctors before taking testosterone therapy.

He has been served up some raw deals. He has been made out to be someone he is not and he is merely taking advantage of it.

I have become a big Chael Sonnen fan. I watched him first take on Trevor Prangley the Pancreation champion some 6-8 years ago.

This guy is popular and should be popular. He beats the living snot out of everyone he fights (win or lose). Many people may not like his character, but he truly is someone everyone is tuning in to see. Sonnen vs Silva will be one for the record books. It will make a lot of money for mostly the UFC, then Silva and lastly Sonnen. This guy want’s the belt more than fame or fortune and I have yet to see anyone put their training videos up on Youtube to show how hard they work.

Chael Sonnen is the real deal. Love him or hate him, there is no question he is very, very popular. He is more than famous. He is infamous.

Cheers

by Sunny on Oct 17, 2011 9:21 PM EDT reply actions  

please tell me this is Sunny Santoro

It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.

by Jesse Holland on Oct 17, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

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