Scott Coker thinks athletic commissions need to 'let Josh Barnett make a living'
by Geno Mrosko on Jan 8, 2011 7:27 PM EST
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"The thing with Josh is, this guy has an issue with California. I totally understand, he's gotta go through it. But the guy hasn't fought in North America for (two years), and he's not even on suspension. Is he gonna get licensed in California? I think that's between Josh, his attorney, and California State. But with saying that, we've reach out to several athletic commissions, four now, (and believe he'll be allowed to fight). Six weeks ago, he went to the California State Athletic Commission offices in Sacramento. He took the test and he came out clean. So, to me, let the guy make a living. He will definitely not be fighting in California. But other commissions are welcoming him to come, providing another clean test, which he will provide. He's gonna fight."
The decision makers with Strikeforce have pulled out all the stops to make sure their inaugural Heavyweight Tournament will go off without a hitch. Contracts are apparently in place for each of the eight participants in the field, with alternate match-ups set in the event someone suffers an injury. The only hurdle currently still to overcome for the San Jose based promotion is making sure heavyweight mega-heel Josh Barnett obtains a license to fight. Scott Coker believes it's as simple as "The Baby Faced Assassin" passing a drug test in any state other than California. But is it really that easy? Are you Maniacs ready to forgive Barnett for his sins in order to let him participate in this historic tournament?
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exactly.
Only now has he came to the conclusion that perhaps it’s not going to be a bed of roses. as usual though, he made the promises first without guarantees. It’s Barnett, it’s the title on the line plus 5 rounds a piece for everyone…
And that’s not counting the probable Fedor renegotiations after every fight.
I hate cheaters
Go fight Sonnen in an alley.
You're DEAD at recess.
by Scottidog on Jan 8, 2011 7:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
PED GRAN PRIX?
Nate Marquart, Chris Leban, Sean Sherk, ect.
"One should always be cold minded and remember that a ridiculous incident may occur any time."
never trust a man with thin lips.
On february 5th 2011 at UFC 126 Jon "Bones" Jones will show the world that their was no need for the MMA community to hype this man because this guy is a beast with many skills and i personally will feel Ryan "Darth" Bader's pain after this fight. SB Nation's public enemy #1.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jan 9, 2011 5:40 AM EST up reply actions
this guy iritates me
The way he keeps denying this shit, even on Inside MMA he tried to defend himself wich was ridicilous to watch. It was so beautiful how Atencio (owner of Affliction) threw him under the bus. I can stand barnett he should be doing pro wrestling matches in Japan and stay away from MMA.
Edson Barboza and Charles Oliveira are gonna stir up the pot at 155!
by robinhorobson on Jan 8, 2011 7:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions
who gets 4 chances?
I know! Let him fight Darryl Strawberry!
You're DEAD at recess.
by Scottidog on Jan 8, 2011 7:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions
right?
We could host a Pharmaceutical Olympics and let these guys just explode on roids and uppers.
Hugely disappointed in Sonnen though
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
by Jrandolph on Jan 8, 2011 7:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He will just cheat again
With the win over the legend Matt Hughes the gates are slowly being greased. Soon it will be time to open the Shit gates once again.
He may be a douche
But having him in the tournament at least add’s a decent heavyweight rather than having the spot filled by a can.
by Biscuitfrisky on Jan 8, 2011 7:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Big Tim, Ricco, Cormier, Del Rosario, etc.
All would have fit in fine
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 8, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
what a shame.
He’s a cheater douche bag. but I’m going to be honest, Seeing his name on the roster did make me more interested.
What the hell is an "Ish"?
Yeah...I dont like the guy at all.
One false positive I can believe. But 3? And he is so indignant about it.
However, if he can get a license and fight…he is awfully good.
i wonder what the non-juicers think of this prick
I know I’d be pissed if he was allowed in after 3 fails. His opponent would just be thinkin “Great, he found a way to blood dope and get away with it”
He should be banned.
You're DEAD at recess.
by Scottidog on Jan 8, 2011 7:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
his nuts must be the size of marbles by now
If back-ne and rage were part of judging he’d be unstoppable
You're DEAD at recess.
by Scottidog on Jan 8, 2011 8:00 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Barnett is habitual
This was the 3rd time to get busted
"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, you'll be a mile from them, and you'll have their shoes." - Jack Handy
by PSYQO78 on Jan 8, 2011 8:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But the thing is.
all the trouble or problems he gets in not being able to fight anywhere, are all brought on by him.
What the hell is an "Ish"?
nobody accidentaly juices 3 times
California doesn’t like habitual offenders….lol…3 strikes and you’re done. I heard some dude is doin life because his 3rd strike was stealing a slice of pizza!
You're DEAD at recess.
by Scottidog on Jan 8, 2011 8:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i read that the US has more prisoners
Per capita than any other country on the planet.
Let out pizza guy and all the weed guys…..can’t we all just get along?
You're DEAD at recess.
by Scottidog on Jan 8, 2011 8:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's like Dennis Miller says
Hey you can’t find anybody who wants to pull the switch on the electric chair? I’ll do it with a bucket of water and a bad extension cord.
"I knew i ‘urt ‘im, when he said aarg" – GSP
Legalize Juice!!!!
Nuff said. Also i hope Barnett gets to fight. Bracket would suck then unless they seed Shane Del Rosario. Anyone else wish the tournament field was bigger? Instead of using reserve bouts, just use them in the tournament and ask bellator or something if they can have one of their HWs a as reserve. Or hell get Bellator’s HWs involved. Might as well since the gong show is big enough with M1,K1, SHOWTIME,CBS, SF. One more wouldn’t hurt.
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 8, 2011 8:20 PM EST reply actions
No need for Bellator. Add Shane Del Rosario, Cormier, Tim, Ricco, Duffee, Lashley and if you can find one more you have a field of 16.
But do you really think they should legalize it?
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 8, 2011 8:24 PM EST up reply actions
You guys know my position.
Frst of all might as well because It’s rampant as hell as it is and the commission has absolutely zero ways to do shit about it or expose it. So long as they’re not made to look like idiots they look the other way. I wouldn’t be the slightest shocked if every champ in the UFC is on some designer stuff.
But regardless, i want to see athletes performing at peak conditions. To reach said status, do whatever it takes. If everyone is operating at what they feel is optimal for them and their fighting style then the sport becomes a pure technical thing. And we’ve all seen that fighting has nothin to do with size and muscles. So don’t say the whole brock lesnar argument when it comes to everyone being jacked like him and all that. Guys trying to cut weight with the help of diuretics instead of killing themselves in saunas, healing from injuries faster, recovering from workouts easier, enhanced physical performance – why do we want to eliminate all these things? I just don’t get it. Obviously there are some downfalls but properly administered/monitored by commission doctors then it’s only about adults who understand the inherent risks. At least thats my opinion as of now. May change in a few minutes or never…..so long as someone can present me a legit argument why it’s harmful to consenting adults.
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 8, 2011 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
Think alot of people share your opinion? Because im 50/50 from what you just said
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 8, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
i don't think it holds up. the cutting wieght thing. if people can cut more weight, faster, easier, then they'll simply put on more mass to start with
they’ll drop crazy unhealthy amounts of weight going to the extremes that drugs will allow. i think allowing PED’s will only enable fighters to push their body past limits they couldn’t before, causing just as many injuries and much more serious side effects on their bodies. quick fixes and quick gains usually lead to long term problems in any scenario. you’re bypassing a persons bodily limit and maxing it out on chemicals. look at the wwe for example. they drug themselves up beyond belief, patching everything together with this and that, they’re lucky if they can walk normally at 45 because they’ve artificially gone beyond their limits. i think with the rigourous mma training and an injection of quick fixes instead of letting your body do it’s work, you’re looking at serious long term damage to a body
plus you’ll have the fighters, for instance, like bas. he has said many times, he fights to compete, not to simply win. if he’s clean, he can look himself in the mirror and say “i won that”. if you cheat you cannot. and for those fighters who want to be able to say “i won that” it’s going to become increasingly hard to compete unless their hand is forced into juicing. not only that they’ll be the constant “he wouldn’t have won if he wasn’t juicing” argument, these people aren’t “real” fighters. on top of this in a sport striving to become main stream, it doesn’t need to be brought down to the level of wwe because everyone is juicing and taking PED’s. mma wants to be a legitimate sport, so it has to be able to turn around to it’s detractors and say “we’re on the level, these people that fight, they work harder to do what they do than most atheletes out there. you wanna knock these guys? try training like one”
i think that in this sport, the fighters deserve better than to be labelled as “frauds”
"he's not the first cheater i've dealt with" - chael sonnen
by sir.tickleberry on Jan 8, 2011 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
the biggest problem with legalisation
is that it would make finance matter way more in the competition – guys who can afford the best meds and PEDS would do systematically better than poor fighters who are going on natural talent and hard work in the gym.
Of course finance already makes a difference (if you can afford to bring Freddie Roach in to coach you, you’re going to box better than a guy taking lessons from some scrub), but the PEDs and meds would take it supernova.
I’ve flipped back and forth, but right now I think they should be allowed something when dealing with injuries. It’s rediculous that Joe Blow get’s to heal faster and more effectively because he’s not a professional athlete, while fighters can’t even take the stuff prescribed to everyday people dealing with similar injuries. I do think it should be highly regulated so it’s not abused, but in certain circumstances it’s crazy not to allow it.
Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.
I'm torn as well
Part of me says…hey, level the playing field. Legalize the shit….you wanna juice? Go nuts.
Thing is, I have teenagers. I know that’s nobody else’s problem but mine. That being said, how do I tell them to fill their bodies full of that stuff to be competitive? They will take that little edge and way overdo it. If it’s allowed, watch the freaks that walk into a ring. Watch how many deaths happen to kids under 20 as a direct result of legal PEDS.
I think it’s a slippery slope. There’s an argument to be made for, every man for himself….why should I suffer because Daddy doesn’t want junior to use…….etc
I hope it never happens, personally, as much as I hate to see inequity between juicers and clean fighters.
You're DEAD at recess.
Some great points you guys made here
Steroids for injuries are the only way I would agree with it’s use though. There are just too many variables and risks for the government to just let MMA use PEDs freely. It will never happen without the proper studies conducted. So for now lets just say that if PEDs are as rampant as NNR thinks than Barnett is just stupid for not being able to conceal his use like the others are.
Every one of my jutsu is a work of art!
CBS is not involved, nor is K-1.
Overeem is not fighting as a K-1 rep, but as a contracted Strikeforce fighter.
It should stay as is, they have four legit guys, three former greats and one that is striving to prove his one big win was not a fluke. Adding more would simply weaken it further.
I can agree with that
I’m looking forward to it actually. Haven’t been the biggest Strikeforce fan, but they are winning me over
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
by Jrandolph on Jan 8, 2011 8:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I just assumed that his K1 schedule might impact the tournament.
CBS i thought would somehow get involved if the PPV idea for showtime doesnt come through. But you’re probably right about diluting the field now that i think about it. Still though this is the only thing reminiscent to the King of Kings tournament of old so why not a bigger i field i thought. Even the Pride HW tourneys weren’t stacked like this IMO.
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 8, 2011 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
A license is not a right.
Josh has tested positive three times in his career. Is it a shock that the CSAC wants to address this and wants to hear Josh declare it will not happen again?
According to Josh, all three positives were wrong.
I am not saying he should be banned,
but the CSAC is not trying to ban him. They want to confront him on his past and address it. Will there be a fourth “false” positive?
And until Josh steps up and faces them, several SACs, including Nevada and New Jersey, will not let him fight.
I think it is totally reasonable.
+1
Barnett gets busted 3 times so yeah, it’s gunna be hard to get licensed. Sorry Coker but that’s life. The legal system calls this stuff probation Coker you retard. You don’t let a multiple felon out onto the streets without supervision.
Every one of my jutsu is a work of art!
If he wants to "make a living" as a pro fighter he should stop taking steroids.
Common sense, I know, but apparently he just doesn’t get it.
THIS IS THE BEST NEWS IN MMA . . . the
Strikeforce HW Tournament . . . I am so pumped for this. I hope the favourites get through.
The Bulls suck at passing
"in this day and age of "let's erect a statue"-isn't it time Jerry Reinsdorf is honored" - The Swirsk
woops lol
"in this day and age of "let's erect a statue"-isn't it time Jerry Reinsdorf is honored" - The Swirsk
by RogersPark Kris on Jan 8, 2011 8:56 PM EST up reply actions
LET HIM FIGHT!
So he can piss hot right before the finals
I am the WAMMA Light Heavyweight Champion
no shit
Never thought about that scenario….. It doesn’t sound like Coker has either
"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, you'll be a mile from them, and you'll have their shoes." - Jack Handy
by PSYQO78 on Jan 8, 2011 9:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Of course not
Once the winner of werdum.reem and silva.fedor fight.. the tourney is over.
Any big wins from the has-been circuit will just be icing on the cake.
But I’d bet money that if one of the guys in the big fights loses a close one… they get a shot at teh semi winner before the other tourney winner does.
I am the WAMMA Light Heavyweight Champion
by Reality_Jockey on Jan 8, 2011 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
F***king barnett
i understand what barnett has done for the sport back in the day but 3 times on sted’s… come on now, this guy shouldn’t be allowed to fight, he cheats and for some reason i don’t know why but i don’t like coker i don’t know why but i don’t lol
He's only been caught three times.
Sad thing is, he’s been fighting in Japan most of his career and I’m pretty sure he was juicing up there.
What the hell is an "Ish"?
I used to be a Barnett fan, but that was after he single handedly destroyed Affliction
3 fucking times this idiot tests positive. 3 FUCKING TIMES!!! You think he’d learn, but no.
And worst of all, he shows no remorse whatsoever for promotions and opponents he fucks over when he fails a test.
If I were an commissioner I would never grant him a license and if I were a promoter, unless I wanted my company to go under, I would never sign him.
Go to Japan and fight Zuluzinho, you fucking bum
I hear you southpaw but for some reason I'm still a fan and hope he does well and can put some of the stink behind him
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
you know
Once he gets a Knockout, nobody will care.
"One should always be cold minded and remember that a ridiculous incident may occur any time."
Only two test
I do not care much for Barnett. He has only failed a drug test twice. The third one that everybody is talking about is just a re-test to make sure the second one was not a mistake. He tested positive after the tim sylvia fight and before the fedor fight. they then retested him to make sure the test before the fedor fight was correct. The last two count as one because it basically was the same time.
Didn't he test positive after beating Old Man Couture?
Isn’t that why he got stripped of the UFC title. I think it is.
Couture was not that old then
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
true, i just like calling him that
and it’s not a hate thing. I like Randy. I just find the most impressive thing about him is that he started fighting MMA so late and hit his peak when plenty of other fighters are already on the down.
2001, 2001, 2009
Before Hoffman, after Couture and before Fedor.
1+1+1 = 3
I am the WAMMA Light Heavyweight Champion
by Reality_Jockey on Jan 9, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
*2001, 2002, 2009
I am the WAMMA Light Heavyweight Champion
by Reality_Jockey on Jan 9, 2011 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Japanese Pro Wrestler
Pays fairly well
I am the WAMMA Light Heavyweight Champion
Needs to learn how to correctluy clean his system.
I bet more top guys use steriods than we will ever know about. I dont think it is right but I actually do not care.. Maybe the commission will clean it up but not gonna happen until they do random through out the year or olympic style testing. I have been around several several differnet pro athletes. Went high school with 2, college buddies with four and have a coast house across the street from another. Been bird hunting with a couple. Some I call close friends. The stuff is rampent in every sport. Your top guys do it. They just do it in off season and have doctors clean them out.
Also
If they wanted to really bust steriod use then the companies or the promotion would shut it down. The UFC and strikeforce could have random test. My company does and we have a commission as well. It is call OSHA and DOT. They have the right to test me any time since I am certified with them. My company also randoms me. The UFC and strikeforce has the money but does not do this. Why? Because they do not want to know. They do not want it to have it come back to them. Plus they know they would have a lot more positives and they would lose some top guys and lose some good matches because of it.
all the pro fighter use something(PED/HGH/Roids) etc
but every now and then somebodys gotta take the fall…
leben, sherk, sylvia, vitor(pride Vegas), sonnen, bonnar, etc… also Carwin got caught up in some shady business not too long ago.
america loves drugs (^_^)
the war on drugs haha
" how can u have a war on drugs?" – joe rogan
God is too big for just one religion...
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