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by Jesse Holland on Jan 5, 2011 11:41 AM EST
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The quarterfinals begin Saturday, Feb. 12, 2011, live on Showtime from the IZOD Center in East Rutherford, New Jersey. Be sure to leave your pick for tournament winner in the comments section below!
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Much better than whats going on in the UFC HW division
Win.
by xquisitewretch on Jan 5, 2011 11:42 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
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Hell even the reserve fight between
Big Lavar and Shane Del Rosario is pretty fuckin sweet if someone gets too injured and the freakshow reserve between Valentijn Overeem vs Ray Sefo is funny too.
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 5, 2011 12:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I dont understand that Sefo fight.. do you?
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 5, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
maybe fights left on his contract?
Overeem came as a clause in the younger overeem’s contract. But Ray, i mean he hasnt fought for SF in two years and he barely scraped by against Kevin fn Jordan. Valentijn hasn’t been relevant in MMA since choking out the paycheck. Neither of these guys are good enough to beat up Rogers who is the weakest link in the entire bracket including Lavar and Shane.
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 5, 2011 12:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thats why it boggled my mind that Sefo was even mentioned here. I would say that Rosario and Lavar is one hell of a match up and its a reserve bout. But this one didnt make any sense.
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 5, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Do you agree with Coker? lol
Coker feels the rankings are unjustified because Werdum beat Fedor so he thinks he should be #1. What he doesn't realize is that Fedor was only considered #1 for the fact that there was no clear cut stand out in the UFC's HW division at that time and with Fedor ducking top competition the rankings still must be set. Someone had to be placed in that #1 spot so because of this and of his longevity he stayed there from his Pride days. The guy had not proved he was still the #1 HW since those days when he's not facing top 5 guys unlike other #1 ranked fighters in their divisions who clean them out.
+2
if only the ufc and strikeforce could get along, mix up the rosters and do a big hw tourney. would be ratings extrordinaire
"Your fucking out!!"- Kenny Powers
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This is awsome
It doesn’t really have to be called a tournament either but it will force the winners to face eachother and the belt is on the line as the tournament goes on witch is why the put the top four all in one side of the bracket. Were the other side is basicall the next contender. All in all it’s good to see that SF may have found a way to make these guys face each other!!
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Might have been random pics.
I think any fights with any of the 8 guys I’d be glad to watch
by Baxter086 on Jan 5, 2011 12:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
is uneavenly weighted but who cares, win and shut up.
-is Strikeforce’s way of tricking Overeem into thinking it is a K-1 tournament so maybe he will fight
-is Strikeforce’s way of saying, “Overeem you are a paper champion!”
-is really cool and makes sense for Strikeforce to do but not the UFC, since they have an ACTUAL champion that defends the belt at least once a year.
by Edgecrusher71 on Jan 5, 2011 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
This is bigger than a few of UFC’s previous cards, not just the heavyweight division IMO.
I’m more excited to see this tourney than I was at the prospect of 125
If Harry Potter's so magical, why cant he cure his own eyesight and get laid. A teenage lad shouldnt need a broomstick to cling onto.
-- Frankie Boyle
this will take place on several cards throughout the year. I believe I read somewhere the final would take place sometime in October
Bah thats bull shit they should all fight on a supercard! Then the winners/losers should meet on the next this would generate some great viewing figures for Strikeforce
boards dont hit back....
They can't get a one night tournament cleared in the US anymore, which is why the MW tournament never happened
Even in Pride and Dream they could only fight twice in one night at the most. I’d rather see all of these fights spread over the next year, that way there’s more recovery and preparation time so the fights are fairer.
"There's a few very good judges surrounded by a bunch of incompetent morons, who know nothing about the sport. They need to do something about that, because it's ruining MMA. It's making people think that this sport is corrupt. It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer and total incompetence."
Joe Rogan speaking the truth. Sort the judging out now.
Hey maniacs can sum1 shoot me a poll reading.
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by d*locc on Jan 5, 2011 2:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hope you can read this. Lots-O-Text
15% – The best way to determine the promotion’s top heavyweight. 345 votes
11% – The best way to burn through your entire division in 12 months. 245 votes
28% – Much better than what’s going on in the UFC heavyweight division in 2011. 621 votes
23% – Unevenly matched. Why are Fedor, Werdum and Overeem all in the same bracket? 521 votes
8% – Awkwardly assembled. Overeem is in the tournament which means the championship could be a revolving door. 180 votes
7% – The final nail in Fedor’s coffin. 160 votes
4% What’s Strikeforce? 106 votes
Total 2178 votes
Thanx bro!106 votes for what's strikeforce =D
Dragged you down below
Down to the devils show
To be his guest forever
Peace of mind is less than never
Hate to twist your mind
But God ain't on your side
An old acquaintance severed
Burn the world your last endeavor
by d*locc on Jan 5, 2011 6:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I cant wait imagine if the UFC had the same style tourney with the HW's who would be in it?? Everyone is injured
boards dont hit back....
At least its injuries that holds up the UFC
I got a feeling Overeem will have something else take priority, will test positive along with Barnett and Fedor will hold it up due to contract negotiations. That sounds a lot worse than having injury issues. Again it would be cool to have a tournament but it doesn’t make sense for the UFC, they have a tournament sort of thought, its called TUF lol.
by Edgecrusher71 on Jan 5, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I would love a UFC Tourney too
Unfortunately, Joe Silva dictates who fights based on a variety of factors such as…
- Current division structure
- Fan appeal
- City of event
- Who should win/lose
- Who will fight the winner/loser next
Etc. - Just to name a few
Tournaments can’t dicate this as easily and I think that puts fear in the UFC match-makers eyes. Although SF has tried to dictate outcomes with a lobsided bracket.
Stupidly unevenly matched.
"I knew i ‘urt ‘im, when he said argh" – GSP
by Rampagelangford on Jan 5, 2011 11:45 AM EST reply actions
Get the idea of a toiurnament out of your head and it does make sense.
Overeem fights the logical #1 contender (Werdum), the winner fights the logical #1 contender after that (Fedor/Bigfoot), the winner fights the emergent #1 contender from the 4 guys that SF could pull together to make this a “relevant” piece of news.
All Coker did was line up his next 3 HW title fights, sicne he also announced that all fights for the belt are 5 rounds. The eliminators are 3 rounds. FANTASTIC way to bring noise to SF without actually doing anything other thatn promoting.
BRILLIANT!!
Agree
Not only did ViolentMike talk the best smack all season, but he also had the best team and won the inaugural season of the MMAmania Fantasy Football League
Well said Ulf
Since 7/08: Fedor has fought 4, agreed to fight 5 times, Brock has fought 5, Cain has fought 6, Big Nog only 3, Mir has fought 5, Carwin has fought 4, Werdum has fought 4, JDS has fought in 6, Silva has fought in 6, and oddly, Overeem has been the HW workhorse fighting 7 MMA fights in that span (plus several k1). Theres the top ten. I love how people say that Fedor never fights...he is right on average with the rest to the top 10 in the HW division. Fanboy perception is wrong again...shocking.
Exactly
If this tournament does pan out then nobody has anything to moan about.
"There's a few very good judges surrounded by a bunch of incompetent morons, who know nothing about the sport. They need to do something about that, because it's ruining MMA. It's making people think that this sport is corrupt. It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer and total incompetence."
Joe Rogan speaking the truth. Sort the judging out now.
Yeah, competition sucks...
Let Dana and the UFC have the complete monopoly on MMA and have Dana’s pre-menstrual mood swings dictate who’s in and out. Strikeforce is a good thing and it’s events are generally more entertaining than the UFC ones anyway – there is more MMA for us, as fans to watch while they’re in existence.
Multiple MAJOR organizations is shit.
Cain can’t fight Fedor, Overeem or Barnett because of this shit.
Not only did ViolentMike talk the best smack all season, but he also had the best team and won the inaugural season of the MMAmania Fantasy Football League
Yeah agree
At least it’s only the HW division that is really split. Still sucks but one division that is equal to the otehrs does not make these guys level in calibure of fighters from LHW down the UFC is by far the superior org.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Well they can, but they choose not to for whatever reason.
They may never have fought in the UFC either and we might not have seen them fight at all if it wasn’t for other organisations. Dana has shown many times he’s a big factor in choosing who’s in and out and it seems easy to fall out with him. I would love to see Fedor in the UFC destroying Cain and the boys but political factors have meant it’s not gonna happen, that’s on both sides part.
If the UFC wasn’t so politically run then I’d agree with you but I’d rather see a lot of these guys fight elsewhere than not at all.
If the UFC wasn’t so politically run then I’d agree
What org is not? Hell look at M1 and talk about politics LOL
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Exactly, the reason there are many organisations is partly because of politics -
hell the reason there’s a Lamborghini is because Enzo Ferrari wouldn’t sell out to a tractor maker, I think the fact they both exist is a good thing.
The only way you could have one all-conquering org is if it was a kind of Olympic format, not gonna happen though.
The problem for SF though is as great as this so called tournament is
The cost of some of their fighters could really hurt them as even though they are all known by us more religious fans the casual fans I don’t think will really give to sh^ts about Fedor, Overeem, werdum…..as great as they are and it worries me that the cost of doing this may fold SF?
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
A tournament involving their 8 best HWs is an easy sell
None of those guys have Brock’s level of appeal but they have all still fought on major shows on Showtime and CBS, as well as on PPV, and they all bring in international fans as well as the Americans. SF would have to be completely incompetent to fail to promote this tournament properly, if this pans out then it could help them take the next step as a promotion.
"There's a few very good judges surrounded by a bunch of incompetent morons, who know nothing about the sport. They need to do something about that, because it's ruining MMA. It's making people think that this sport is corrupt. It has nothing to do with corruption. It's sheer and total incompetence."
Joe Rogan speaking the truth. Sort the judging out now.
A tournament involving their 8 best HWs is an easy sell
To all of us I 100% agree but I don’t think we are a majority of the fans that rent the PPV or watch on TV. Kimbo is still the biggest TV draw for rating over any MMA fighter. I would not know that Fedor is fighting next month if I was an average joe. Is this going to be PPV?
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
WAR Pitbull
I wouldn’t mind seeing AA making a crazy comeback winning this.
Still I think they’re all great fights can’t wait for it. fedor/silva werdum/reem sick match ups but definately uneven matched bracket
by Phenomenal Angel on Jan 5, 2011 11:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Does anyone else think that this whole thing is going to be a disaster after the first round of fights?
They’ll probably have to spend 2 years negotiating w/ M1 for Fedor’s 2nd fight. Barnett and Overeem will need time to roid back up, etc, etc…
I hope not but one injury can fuc^ the entire tournament up.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Fedor just signed another new contract (this is like the fourth SF contract he's signed in 3 fights).
So that hopefully won’t be a problem this time.
Not only did ViolentMike talk the best smack all season, but he also had the best team and won the inaugural season of the MMAmania Fantasy Football League
I say good for him
If he can milk more money out of them without fighting. It sucks for us but why do people hate on Fedor for squeezing every conceivable penny out of idiots with truckloads of cash to burn. Especially when it’s not him but other people who are so pre-occupied with his legacy and legend.
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 5, 2011 12:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Same reason I criticize athletes in other sports
who hold out and refuse to abide by the contracts they signed. I would rather see him leverage other offers to raise his price tag in between contracts than hold an organization hostage by refusing to honor a contract he’s already agreed to.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
the pessimism i see is discouraging. i'm an optimistic person and everything will work as planned
especially the conspiracy that is about to unfold.
On february 5th 2011 at UFC 126 Jon "Bones" Jones will show the world that their was no need for the MMA community to hype this man because this guy is a beast with many skills and i personally will feel Ryan "Darth" Bader's pain after this fight. SB Nation's public enemy #1.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jan 5, 2011 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
I'm trying to keep my MMoner (MMA boner) down
two russians, a belarusian, a black and white american, two brasilians, and a dutch dude. it’s like streetfighter for the big boys!!!
The big question is if Fedor fights and wins, what happens when M1 take another 18 months to organise his next fight this tourney could take 4 years to complete
boards dont hit back....
I really wish people do some research
before making their cliche and uninformed comments.
"in this day and age of "let's erect a statue"-isn't it time Jerry Reinsdorf is honored" - The Swirsk
by RogersPark Kris on Jan 5, 2011 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
that article means nothing to me
M1 pulls their BS all the time. He has 1 fight scheduled right now for the 12th of february.
It should mean something
A source told MMA Fighting that Emelianenko’s extension was for at least four more fights, and that official word on his re-signing should come from Strikeforce and M-1 later on Tuesday.
"in this day and age of "let's erect a statue"-isn't it time Jerry Reinsdorf is honored" - The Swirsk
by RogersPark Kris on Jan 5, 2011 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
He has renegotiated after every fight.
I’m sure this will just be more of the same.
Not only did ViolentMike talk the best smack all season, but he also had the best team and won the inaugural season of the MMAmania Fantasy Football League
again, I'll believe it when it happens
I hope there isn’t any BS, because I like the idea of this tourney, and want to see Fedor fight, but M1 is a joke.
Thing is, once we have a winner, that’s it. The winner will have no one to fight.. It good for now, but in the long run its not to good.
We all know Overeem is going to win that tournament then run off to Japan. Once Reem wins he’ll be just go fight K1 or whatever, Strikeforce won’t interest him.
by danago on Jan 5, 2011 11:56 AM EST via mobile reply actions
depends on how the fights go down
this could spark alot of grudges and some EPIC fights for the ages. It will give the UFC the pressure the MMA world needs. The fans win regardless.
but how long is this even going to take?
neither of these guys fight often enough for me to believe that this will be a short process
Why did the condom cross the road?
It was pissed off...
it would boil down to the capital involved and timing
I say if they did this while the UFC HW’s are either injured, out hunting, looking for contenders, stuck in contract limbo, like right now then this has the potential to be massive
I feel like I want to pick most, if not all, of the options
Why did the condom cross the road?
It was pissed off...
Aside from Del Rosario
The reserve fighters are horrible.
They shouldn’t have put in Cormier.
@fjbar on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
but what do they do otherwise
Lashley lost. And Batista is 0-0.
Out of options Im afraid.
No Pressure, No Diamonds - Thomas Carlyle
Arlovski is coming off a loss too.
They just have one of the 8 that loses thats already in the main bracket replace whoever gets injured.
@fjbar on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
I say...
let’s just sit back and see what happens.
1. If everything goes like it should I will be like: OMG F**** this rocks!!!!
2. If everything goes up in flames what can you say? Are you going to say “oh this is really F**** BAD!! I liked the 2010 Strikeforce HW division so much more! Why didn’t they stick with that????”
I mean it really can’t get any worse than 2010. So if it happens it happens, if not well at least they tried I guess.
I wouldn't get your hopes up kids, I've been in this game for years.
Don’t be expecting this to go ahead, that’s all I’m saying. I know what I’m talking about, I’ve fought in many tournaments and witnessed Pride ones live. I hate to be a kill joy kids, but I’ll go ahead and say this won’t go ahead.
What happens when Reem wants to fight overseas? Or when Fedor starts his ish off, we all know what Fedor and his management are like. It seems to good to be true, Coker might be fucking everyone over with this.
That’s all I’m saying and I’ve been in this game from day 1, UFC 1 kids. I seen Tournaments fail due to injuries, fighters pussy out- you name it I’ve witnessed. I specialize in mma tournaments. 30 of my wins come from tournaments, I know what I’m F’n talking about kids.
by danago on Jan 5, 2011 12:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
You're right
Shit does happen, so that’s why they put the marquee fights as early round bouts.
"in this day and age of "let's erect a statue"-isn't it time Jerry Reinsdorf is honored" - The Swirsk
by RogersPark Kris on Jan 5, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
it's bait
Announcing a tournament in this fashion is coker waiving his flag and screaming “Hey everyone look at us”
other wise this is just releasing the schedule of HW fights for 2011 and calling it a Tournament for attention.
But I like the fights. If we get them in this order.
No Pressure, No Diamonds - Thomas Carlyle
Exactly Zino SF now has control of the fighters who agree to be in the tournament!!
Smart move by SF
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
have you been diagnosed with Bi-polar Posting Disorder yet?
Why did the condom cross the road?
It was pissed off...
Is that some sort of sick joke?
That’s going to far, Newfie.
by danago on Jan 5, 2011 12:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I dont think so
I read the majority of your comments and most of the time they are half sensible, but then you post some whacked out shit like that
withs the ups and downs of your posting, i’d say it’s definately BPPD
Why did the condom cross the road?
It was pissed off...
i'll add that to the new 2011 DSM. BPPD.
On february 5th 2011 at UFC 126 Jon "Bones" Jones will show the world that their was no need for the MMA community to hype this man because this guy is a beast with many skills and i personally will feel Ryan "Darth" Bader's pain after this fight. SB Nation's public enemy #1.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jan 5, 2011 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
First round matches are on two shows. I would imagine though the semis would be on the same card. Then of course the finals NYE or around there.
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 5, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
ronald mcdonald and bozo the clown talked to kids on a regular basis. were they your competition in your tournaments?
On february 5th 2011 at UFC 126 Jon "Bones" Jones will show the world that their was no need for the MMA community to hype this man because this guy is a beast with many skills and i personally will feel Ryan "Darth" Bader's pain after this fight. SB Nation's public enemy #1.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jan 5, 2011 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
while stuff happens bad
many things have happened good.
it can happen. but if people expect it to go smooth as ever… dont count on it.
but to say it will fail is just stupid. there is no evidence to back it up.
I think this is awesome
To the people who are saying that SF will have trouble finding opponents after the tourney: they’ve never had problems giving title shots to guys that have lost their last fight.
by Baxter086 on Jan 5, 2011 12:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
JImrod...you say
Yeah, competition sucks.
Let Dana and the UFC have the complete monopoly on MMA and have Dana’s pre-menstrual mood swings dictate who’s in and out. Strikeforce is a good thing and it’s events are generally more entertaining than the UFC ones anyway – there is more MMA for us, as fans to watch while they’re in existence.
I say…..
NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB……yeah I guess those monolpy’s suck too hey. Give your head a shake. All the best talent needs to be pooled into one. Period. And after that has been established then there can be semi-pro leagues. Until then suck it up. Strikeforce will die.
The taste of blood......beautiful.
Apples to Oranges
Those are all team-based sports and each team is its own franchise. MMA is neither. What happens when the UFC decides it’s done with a fighter? He’s gone for good. Down to the minors where he’ll never face top competition again or likely be able to afford to be simply a fighter. The career length of the athletes in every single organization you just mentioned is very short with some notable exceptions.
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Jan 5, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
From what I keep seeing in the comments from people
First. Strikeforce would be straight idiots if they did not make Fedor’s new contract stipulate his participation in this tourney pends on no re-negotiation. From what I have heard and read it is a multi year/fights contract. Which means at least the tourney. And hopefully Strikeforce prior to this tourney requires all participants to agree to a champion/tournament winner clause. Basically, Strikeforce should have said. Do you want to be part of the greatest HW year since the days of Pride? Okay, well we can replace you if you dont sign this.
Secondly, people keep saying the champion side of the bracket is way overstacked. It is. And it should be. If Overeem (The Champ) is in this they need him to fight the best guys in each round. SO thats Werdum who for ranking purposes is the number one contender after beating Fedor. And iin the semifinals it will be most like Fedor who of course still is the GOAT in the HW division of MMA. And if Fedor should lose Bigfoot is coming off a few wins and is the 3rd most credible SF opponent for the Champ. Barnett has yet to fight for SF, still has licensing problems, AA hasnt looked good at all yet, Sergei hasnt fought in SF yet as well and also hasnt looked too spectacular in 2010. And of course Rogers already has had two shots at the tourney favorites.
Third. In any tournament format injuries will play a part. Someone will get hurt its almost guaranteed. That is why they implemented reserve bouts. And you guys are kidding yourselves if you think Cormier wont be included. He has a fight coming up real soon and should he win he will definately be in talks for reserve type bouts. And to add to injuries a tournament does make for an interesting loser bracket which will set up future match ups. Grudge matches, rubber matches, etc. It will also give guys like Del Rosario chances to upset big name guys thrusting them in the ranks.
And finally. My only issue is what happens if Overeem gets injured after a win? What happens to the title? But hoping all goes well because this will legitimize the Strikeforce Title. 7 our of 8 of the participants are ranked in the Top 12 I believe.
Can't believe Cormier was passed over for Ray Sefo-Overeem
Imagine something like Monte Cox getting Big poopy into the tournament as a second reserve against Cormier. Then both Reserves would be legit. But maybe it’s better for him in his overall development as a fighter.
As far as the belt – Why not do it up like PRIDE and get a tournament Belt going. Not that any of that shit matters. The one thing that i really wanted though was nearly all of these fights need to be 5 Rds. Time for the big boy rounds when elite guys are involved especially since nearly all the guys were at one point or another champions.
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 5, 2011 1:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would imagine because the actual belt/title is hardly defended. Then you have two belts in the HW division floating around? Possibly held by the same guy? I actually like what they have going here.
Also Big Tim should be fighting as a reserve bout. But like I said possibly Cormier’s partcipation could be determined after his fight coming up.
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 5, 2011 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
Another reserve that would be better is
Gonzaga.
Sure he hasnt looked great lately but he is better than 3 of the other 4 reserves.
Since 7/08: Fedor has fought 4, agreed to fight 5 times, Brock has fought 5, Cain has fought 6, Big Nog only 3, Mir has fought 5, Carwin has fought 4, Werdum has fought 4, JDS has fought in 6, Silva has fought in 6, and oddly, Overeem has been the HW workhorse fighting 7 MMA fights in that span (plus several k1). Theres the top ten. I love how people say that Fedor never fights...he is right on average with the rest to the top 10 in the HW division. Fanboy perception is wrong again...shocking.
Only thing is he retired apparently. He said he would fight for the right money but he wanted to focus on his BJJ. I would prefer Rizzo over Gonzaga. And they would probably come with equal price tags.
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 5, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Could I get...
the cliffnotes for that post. Too fakin long. Good point but get to it.
The taste of blood......beautiful.
Hopefully Barnett gets licensed MArch is not that far away and I would hat to see a last minute replacement like Duffee vs Overeem.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Rankings
Sherdog
Heavyweight
1. Cain Velasquez (9-0)
2. Brock Lesnar (5-2)
3. Fabricio Werdum (14-4-1)
4. Fedor Emelianenko (31-2, 1 NC)
5. Junior dos Santos (12-1)
6. Shane Carwin (12-1)
7. Frank Mir (14-5)
8. Alistair Overeem (34-11, 1 NC)
9. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (32-6-1, 1 NC)
10. Antonio Silva (15-2)
Other contenders: Josh Barnett, Cole Konrad, Roy Nelson, Ben Rothwell, Brendan Schaub.
Bloodyelbows/USA Today’s Rankings
1 Cain Velasquez 99 UFC 1
2 Brock Lesnar 92 UFC 2
3 Fedor Emelianenko
4 Fabricio Werdum
5 Junior dos Santos
6 Shane Carwin
7 Frank Mir
8 Alistair Overeem
9 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
10 Antonio Silva
11 Josh Barnett
12 Brett Rogers
13 Brendan Schaub
14 Roy Nelson
15 Cheick Kongo
16 Andrei Arlovski
17 Ben Rothwell
18 Pedro Rizzo
19 Mirko Filipovic
19 Gabriel Gonzaga
21 Cole Konrad
22 Mike Russow
23 Tim Sylvia
24 Stefan Struve
25 Jeff Monson
not sure why the hell Lesnar is still #2
hes been exposed big time
by xquisitewretch on Jan 5, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
He is the one of two guys in the Top 10 who holds victories over two guys in the top 10. The other being Frank Mir.
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 5, 2011 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
... and Cain.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
by TheGreg on Jan 5, 2011 1:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Your right. Dont know how number one slipped my mind.
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 5, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Going with the Bloodyelbow/USA today rankings
Cain is #1 – Has beaten #2, #9, #15 and #17
Brock is #2 – Has beaten #6 and #7 (x2)
Fedor is #3 – Has beaten #12, #16, #19 and #23
Werdum is #4 – Has beaten #3, #8, #10 and #19
Junior is #5 – Has beaten #4, #14, #19, #19 (*tie) and #24
I think the top 5 is very well placed.
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 5, 2011 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Brock didnt beat mir (x2)
That was a split.
Since 7/08: Fedor has fought 4, agreed to fight 5 times, Brock has fought 5, Cain has fought 6, Big Nog only 3, Mir has fought 5, Carwin has fought 4, Werdum has fought 4, JDS has fought in 6, Silva has fought in 6, and oddly, Overeem has been the HW workhorse fighting 7 MMA fights in that span (plus several k1). Theres the top ten. I love how people say that Fedor never fights...he is right on average with the rest to the top 10 in the HW division. Fanboy perception is wrong again...shocking.
Ouch. My mistake. I was probably thinking fought when I did that. Either that or assumed he won the first time haha.
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 5, 2011 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Exposed
How many have cains grappling and striking ability? Did he expose NOG as well and did Werdum expose Fedor in a much quicker fight?
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
No Brock lost to the #1 right now and though I think he should be #3 in the UFC alone
Ranking two different ors is opinion based only and my opion is Brock would destroy Werdum.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
i dont agree with Werdum being higher than JDS either
just because Werdum beat Fedor he leaped way up there
Why did the condom cross the road?
It was pissed off...
I think deservingly so. If you looked at the rankings a year ago… I would imagine anyone between 4-10 leap frogging to at least #3
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 5, 2011 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
This tournament will go down, no doubt about it. -Arlovski will have that belt.
Some of you kids are saying Strikeforce won’t be able to pull this off, or some ish like that. This tournament will go down, no questions asked. Overeem won’t be fighting overseas and there will be no problems with Fedor etc, this is going down kids.
Who am I putting my G stack on? Arlovski, the dudes for real. I even care what you think, I know Arlovski has this one in the bag. No one can stand with him, Fedor was getting schooled. He already beat Fedor as far as I’m concerned.. Stack up on Arlovski kids, he got this.
by danago on Jan 5, 2011 12:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Sorry Danago but Barnett will destroy Andre.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Barnett the druggie?
He doesn’t stand a chance, Arlovski will probably end that drugged up kids career.
by danago on Jan 5, 2011 12:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not with his glass jaw and weak ground game
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Weak Ground Game??
Arlovski has never been submitted and took Silver in the World Sambo Championships. He also WON the World Youth Sambo Championships.
Last I heard, you have to be pretty good on the ground to win a championship of any kind in Sambo.
Barnett is a sambo killer why do you think M1 framed BArnett in the first place?
I seen AA get owned by Big Country on the ground as well as Sylvia so don’t give me this BS that Sambo is proof you will be good on the ground in MMA.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
I can't wait for any Pride Matchups/Rematches
Kharitonov v Reem, Werdum v Reem, Fedor v Arlovski, Fedor v Werdum
the possibilities are endless!
Other
FUCKING SICK!!!!!
Mike Goldberg: "You know Joe, When Matt and his brother Mark Hughes were growing up, they would pound each other behind the barn."
Still can't believe how awsome this is.
Brings back memories of the gud ol prides tournaments. How any1 can bitch about it is beyond me.
Dragged you down below
Down to the devils show
To be his guest forever
Peace of mind is less than never
Hate to twist your mind
But God ain't on your side
An old acquaintance severed
Burn the world your last endeavor
by d*locc on Jan 5, 2011 1:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Can I vote for all the above?
Why didn’t they just set up a four man tournament? Obviously it all hinges on Fedor winning against Bigfoot but they get there biggest draws after that. Reem wins, they get the biggest matchup possible and if Werdum wins, they get their rematch. Does it even matter what comes out of the other side? (Though I want to see Barnett in action again.)
by Mayhem chimpanzee on Jan 5, 2011 1:01 PM EST reply actions
Yes because as fans we will finally get to see Barnett vs an Elite HW for the first time in what feels like a decade. If not we can see the reviving of AA’s career. A new star being born in Sergei. Or a Cinderalla story for the ages with Rogers. The right side of the bracket is full of storylines. The champion bracket has storylines but more importantly championship legitimacy
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 5, 2011 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
After further review...
I completely agree with ANS on the brackets being just right.
First I agree with Puck yesterday
Now I am saying SF is doing the right thing with matchups.
What is the world coming to?
Since 7/08: Fedor has fought 4, agreed to fight 5 times, Brock has fought 5, Cain has fought 6, Big Nog only 3, Mir has fought 5, Carwin has fought 4, Werdum has fought 4, JDS has fought in 6, Silva has fought in 6, and oddly, Overeem has been the HW workhorse fighting 7 MMA fights in that span (plus several k1). Theres the top ten. I love how people say that Fedor never fights...he is right on average with the rest to the top 10 in the HW division. Fanboy perception is wrong again...shocking.
FYI
This is what happens when you explore and debate on mania beyond Brock Striker.
"I felt like I was getting raped by Freddy Mercury"-Tank on losing to Dan Severn
Haha!
Maybe you answered in the other thread striker but did you ever tell me what match ups you prefered? Or am I blanking out that you did?
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 5, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
I actually said...that after further review...
you are correct. These are perfect matchups.
There we go puck…I do debate beyond Brock. You just cant process it.
Since 7/08: Fedor has fought 4, agreed to fight 5 times, Brock has fought 5, Cain has fought 6, Big Nog only 3, Mir has fought 5, Carwin has fought 4, Werdum has fought 4, JDS has fought in 6, Silva has fought in 6, and oddly, Overeem has been the HW workhorse fighting 7 MMA fights in that span (plus several k1). Theres the top ten. I love how people say that Fedor never fights...he is right on average with the rest to the top 10 in the HW division. Fanboy perception is wrong again...shocking.
Well said, ANS, and I agree for the most part.
I hear what you are saying and I like all those story plots but if one had to seed these guys, it wouldn’t land this way in the brackets. I just think it was a little bit of Strikeforce wanting to make sure they got a couple of fights they wanted early and whatever shakes down after that is a bonus. I have a hard time picking someone to root for and just want to sit back and enjoy the possibilities of matchups we never thought we’d get to see. What I don’t want to hear (and we will most likely and already are somewhat) is many saying “that guy only made it to the finals because he was seeded in the ‘weak’ half”. But I love the Pride feel to this tourney.
by Mayhem chimpanzee on Jan 6, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
This is a great idea for Strikeforce! Weed out the pretenders and bring a little bit of the Pride magic to their organization.
I can’t wait to see this, its unfortunate that they can’t organize a UFC vs Strikeforce tourney, that would be the ultimate!
by Sofa-King-Toasty on Jan 5, 2011 6:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions
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