Cesar Gracie: 'Greg Jackson is not one of the great coaches of the world'
by Jesse Holland on Jan 20, 2011 9:59 AM EST
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"He's more of a coordinator where he puts things in perspective. And he's great at what he does. Training's at this time, let's go run the mountain or something. Let's go train with this guy. He's more of a motivational speaker possibly, but as a true sense of the word 'coach,' he's not on the same page as great coaches of the world. He's not. I've got nothing against Greg Jackson in particular. There's a lot of guys like that. I'm sure he's a great guy and everything. But the guys from [American Top Team] in Florida, it's like, you don't have Dan Lambert doing that. He doesn't get in the limelight and he's great, he does everything. He sets it all up, and he's done an incredible job. You never see him pretending he did something he didn't do. The great coaches are in the background."
The man behind the training of Jake Shields, Nick and Nate Diaz, as well as Gilbert Melendez -- Cesar Gracie -- doesn't believe Greg Jackson fits in among the world's best coaches, despite the label affixed to him by MMA fans and pundits across the globe. Are coaches and managers at their best "behind the scenes," or is Jackson's notoriety simply a byproduct of his camp's success? Sour grapes from Gracie or is he simply saying what every other coach is thinking?
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I always hate seeing stuff like this without seeing the setup question
Just sounds like he said it unprovoked or something.
Don’t know what to think of this, I always liked Jackson, and there are different styles of coaches. I can best relate to football, there are Head Coaches that let all there position coaches and coordinators take care of there area and the Head Coach just oversees everything (my favorite system to play for) and then you have those Head Coaches who think they are also the Quarterbacks coach, Offensive and Defensive coordinators and so on. Just because one Coach oversees and doesn’t also call plays or coach a position does not mean they are not the coach.
good post
pretty well sums up my thoughts a-z
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by Bigger Zino on Jan 20, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Even if the question was set up a certain way, this is an a-hole thing to say
especially from a guy who “coached” Jose Canseco’s MMA career.
If you don’t like someone else or are envious, fine, but discrediting their accomplishments is classless.
Amen brotha.
Whether or not you feel like he’s a “coach” in the true meaning of the word, trying to discredit his achievements is classless, in the true meaning of the word.
He was asked about that too...
especially from a guy who "coached" Jose Canseco’s MMA career.
He said he did train Conseco and Batista, but stated that they are a gym and that’s his job, anybody who walks into the door asking to be coached, he will train…
That's all good and fine. My point is, don't throw stones when you live in a glass house.
It’s petty of him to try and diminish Greg’s success wehn he clearly has made a few blunders of his own. If, as you say below, he is upset that Renzo and Phil Nurse don’t get credit for coaching GSP, then there’s a way he can phrase that without putting Greg down. But he clearly has a bone to pick with Jackson. I find it disrespectful, and am starting to see why the Diaz brothers are continually allowed to act juvenile.
Just to add : successful people are busy being successful and don't bother with statements that can be misconstrued as jealousy. Just saying.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
The topic came up when talking about GSP
GSP trains BJJ with Renzo Gracie, always has, Cesar was a little upset that Renzo doesn’t get much credit for it, neither do other GSP coaches and Greg Jackson keeps hogging the limelight. Cesar said GSP uses Renzo as a coach for BJJ, Kru Phil Nurse as a striking coach (occasionally Freddie Roach) and Faras Zahabi in Canada to improve his game, he said Greg is just a co-ordinator and a not a coach, he said Greg can’t tell GSP what’s wrong with his striking or teach him how to improve his BJJ, Greg can’t do that.
He was upset that there are other people who do that (eg: of Adam Lambert), not no one else pretends to be a coach or hog the limelite and end up taking the coach of the year award year after year, while the actual coaches are the ones doing the work.
Can't argue with this....even when the fights are on and GJ is in the fighters corner, he is more like....
Dr. Phil than a corner man/coach imo.
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by NickyD240 on Jan 20, 2011 10:06 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Sounds like sour grapes to me...............
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They should setup a Royal Rumble style match
They should setup a Royal Rumble style match between the two camps. Every 60 seconds Dana announces the next fighter coming to the ring……That would be glorious.
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i dont know much about MMA coaching techniques or any of that crap
any coach in the world, in any sport, is measured by one statistic – WINNING. thats it.
team wins coach looks good. team loses, first step is fire the coach
i think Jackson is doing alright for himself
Bazinga!
well it comes with the territory
I mean when you are training/coaching successful guys like Guillard, Carwin, St Pierre, Rashad, Jones, Condit and so on, you think ppl aren’t going to want to speak to the man behind the champs and stars? Gracie would get spoke to more often as well if his fighters were the best in the UFC not Strikeforce.
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by daniel worby on Jan 20, 2011 10:18 AM EST via mobile reply actions
In his defense Jake Shields is very successful as is Nick. There just not at marketable and recognizeable. But you are right.
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2011 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
nick is only successful against lesser competition
shields is just meh but at least he wins though fights
Shields hasnt lost since like 2005 something like 12-13 straight. At multiple weights. I would say more then Meh
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
he's still meh in his style
he’s effective, that’s for sure
basically
cesar gracie has talented fighters, but jackson has more talented fighters in every sense of the term
"I don't think Diego Sanchez belongs at 170. He does not look good at 170." - Dana White after Diego's loss to Hathaway
"I love Diego Sanchez at 170." - Dana White after Diego's victory over Paulo Thiago
Gotta love a president that sticks to his guns...
Jacksons has a very solid team. Cesar has a good core but outside their main guys there MMA mainstream success is limited.
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2011 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
essentially thats half of what i was saying
aside from the sheer volume of talented fighters at jacksons, the actual talent level of the top guys there is higher than the talent level of the top guys at CGJJ
"I don't think Diego Sanchez belongs at 170. He does not look good at 170." - Dana White after Diego's loss to Hathaway
"I love Diego Sanchez at 170." - Dana White after Diego's victory over Paulo Thiago
Gotta love a president that sticks to his guns...
haha so true
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by daniel worby on Jan 20, 2011 2:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
just a bunch of lil speds
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by daniel worby on Jan 20, 2011 2:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sounds like....
comments that are not neccessary. A fool speaks because he has to say something, a wise man speaks becuase he has something to say. I’m going with fool here.
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ha ha ha
No love.
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by Bigger Zino on Jan 20, 2011 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
what are you talking about!?
You know Danago made that up not you! :-P
"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, you'll be a mile from them, and you'll have their shoes." - Jack Handy
by PSYQO78 on Jan 20, 2011 10:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Truth.
The only place that success comes before work is in the dictionary.
by Andrew Keller on Jan 20, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Fool speaking.
The taste of blood......beautiful.
by Leaking Wound on Jan 20, 2011 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
"There's really not much to say...we'll just leave it at that"
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
by Jrandolph on Jan 20, 2011 12:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
nice try kid . .
Don’t talk to me unless you actually train. I would destroy you, so choose your words carefully when you speak to me. . . . blablabla.
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I've always had a similar line of thought regarding Greg Jackson.
I’ve always seen him as more of an Architect than a coach who’s right there offering technical insight and training you in the trenches and fixing all these minor details in your game. He can however conceptualize and put the technical details of a fight into the right context depending on the unique personality or style of any fighter. Also the mental aspect…..very underrated on how much he impacts a fighter’s style simply by tweaking their mindsets. Essentially yes i doubt Greg Jackson can teach grappling better than Ceasar or danaher or teach striking better than winklejohn or Firas but at the same time Greg understands how to win fights better than all those guys.
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If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 20, 2011 10:22 AM EST via mobile reply actions
You would basically be 100% correct in that NNR. Greg is a guru of sorts. He is the jack of all trades coach. Sure Wink is the better striking coach but thats why all those years ago he joined with him. Mike Winklejohn had his own gym before Greg. Donaher is a better grappling coach. But what makes Greg special is he can put it all together. When he is gaemplanning he locks himself in his office and studies. He dissects fights. Styles, techniques. He is a master of the “little” things that go unnoticed. A fighter being lazy when throwing a leg kick, a certain direction a fighter moves his head when throwing an uppercut. Etc, etc.
Greg is basically an architect. He builds gameplans, designs strategies and puts it all in motion. But dont get it twisted too much he does get hands on with technique. You will probably never see that because there is a strict no videos of him training and no sparring videos. But he is very active none the less.
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2011 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Your "opinion" on this means more than the original content.
What it boils down to, to me, is that the gyms that have the most notoriety, Jackson’s, AKA, Blackhouse, etc, etc, etc, all have multiple trainers the are better in certain disciplines than others. What it takes these gyms to be successful is the guy that is able to put this all together, control the ego’s of world class fighters, and allow everyone involved to create their own measure of success.
For some (hint, hint) it is the ability to become the best fighter they can possibly be, for others it is a world title, and for some (the ones that pay alot of the bills) it is the ability to participate in a pastime that keeps their aging bodies in some semblance of shape. What it takes to be able to manage all of these aspects of a sucessful gym is the ability to wear every hat at different times; manager, trainer, coach, mediator, strategist, etc, etc, etc. ie architect. Greg Jackson seems to be the best at doing this, or at least the best at marketing that he is the best.
Successful leadership is measured from the top down, not from the bottom up.
JB JB JB JB!! (For all the bass ackwards BJ Penn fans that actually think he will not get blanketed by Fitch.)
Successful leadership is measured from the top down, not from the bottom up.
Just perfect…
"I don't think Diego Sanchez belongs at 170. He does not look good at 170." - Dana White after Diego's loss to Hathaway
"I love Diego Sanchez at 170." - Dana White after Diego's victory over Paulo Thiago
Gotta love a president that sticks to his guns...
Very well written Ulf.
I agree as well. Personally, I never like to compare anyone. Greg can do things Cesar cant and the other way around. There are some things you can learn from Camarillo that you cant learn from anyone at ATT. There is something Erik Paulson can teach that Firas Zahabi cant.
Every trainer has different things they can offer. Some fighters need a certain type of coach.
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
ANS, i meant to ask you when i read this before
is danaher an official instructor at jacksons now…because he was on long island helping matt before the GSP fights…im just curious as to whether he works at jacksons or if he’s just freelance and he’ll help whichever fighter asks…i only met him once very briefly and i dont really know too much about him…even matt said he’s an odd dude lol
"I don't think Diego Sanchez belongs at 170. He does not look good at 170." - Dana White after Diego's loss to Hathaway
"I love Diego Sanchez at 170." - Dana White after Diego's victory over Paulo Thiago
Gotta love a president that sticks to his guns...
No, he is an instructor for Renzo Gracie’s academy in New York. That is where he met up with GSP. GSP got his brown belt under Renzo and connected with Donaher. From what I know he took over Almeida as the coach at Renzo’s academy. I know his BJJ Black Belt Lineage is absolutely legit.
Mitsuyo Maeda to Carlos Gracie to Helio Gracie to Carlos Gracie Jr to Renzo Gracie to John Danaher
And about him being odd, he is just obsessed with jiu jitsu. If you ever saw Matt Serra’s video blog for the Hughes fight I think he says Donaher wore his rash guard to his wedding. Most people, Camarillo, Greg, Draculino hold him at the absolute highest regard.
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Fun fact he wore a rashguard to the ESPYs.
But his mind is incredible. Just gangsta with the jiu jitsu lol.
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 20, 2011 1:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Didnt know that one. Thats hilarious. He is truly in love with jiu jitsu. I read an article where Darculino said he regards Danaher as high as any if not most Brazilian black belts. And those Brazilians are very territorial over the black belt…
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
interesting stuff lol
well I know Ricardo has his own academy in jersey now…i know his black belt is legit, like i said ive only met him the one time but ive seen him rolling with other black belts (matt and nicky, almeida, renzo) at the grand opening of serra’s new bigger gym and the man is a genius on the mat…he’s one of the people on the short list of people i wanna roll with before i die lol…i told you im working towards my black belt and i hope as i move up into purple and brown ill have more of a chance to work with him
"I don't think Diego Sanchez belongs at 170. He does not look good at 170." - Dana White after Diego's loss to Hathaway
"I love Diego Sanchez at 170." - Dana White after Diego's victory over Paulo Thiago
Gotta love a president that sticks to his guns...
He works with blue and up. So you are already there. But the higher level the better I am sure he shares more with guys that know more.
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
oh well i didnt know that
but since i dont belong to renzos academy and i belong to matts, i figure id only get a chance on the seldom occasions where he comes to the island to help matt out…if went to renzos academy where he works then sure, but hes not gonna take the time to work with a blue belt when at another academy when hes only there for a short period of time unfortunately
"I don't think Diego Sanchez belongs at 170. He does not look good at 170." - Dana White after Diego's loss to Hathaway
"I love Diego Sanchez at 170." - Dana White after Diego's victory over Paulo Thiago
Gotta love a president that sticks to his guns...
New Zealand John
Does seminars at Matt’s at least once a year. I used to train at Matt’s (prior to moving to CT) and was fortunate to attend one of his seminars. His leg locks are quite impressive.
The training available in NY is phenomenal. Be it at The Wat with Kru Phil Nurse or up with Sean Hindes and then Renzo’s academy. And those are just a few (GSP trains at all 3), but there are many more. Cross train, cross train, cross train.
by YouveGotGold on Jan 20, 2011 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
i'm gonna go ahead and rec this
or maybe not ‘cause that’s just gay but yeah, i don’t know if he’s one of the greatest coaches of the world per se and as sure as hell it doesn’t matter ’cause the guy can implement a game plan like no other (with the exception of randy)
seems to me like typical cesar gracie’s camp bs, talking shit on everyone for no good reason
i think a "no homo" clause would clear up any confusion on the rec lol
and thx if i do you so. I cant tell from the mobile site.
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 20, 2011 10:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Greg is a great coach
Gracie is just jealous of his good looks.
by Lester The Pimp on Jan 20, 2011 10:26 AM EST reply actions
Overrated Greg, basically all the top fighters at his gym were alreay top before joining his gym. It’s like he’s taking credit for everything. Seriously, Greg Jackson STFU, the only reason everyone loves your camp is because of GSP.
Next.
Greg Jackson STFU
reading skills fail? this article is about your boy cesar gracie talking shit about jackson, not jackson talking shit about jackson.
be a good troll and read the article again
I dont think I would call Rashad Evans successful before he arrived. Just to throw a name out.
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Oh he was
He was always good at humping his opponent and going to distance, just he prefered knocking folk out before joining Jacksons.
Interesting that his knockouts of Chuck and Forrest came while training with Greg. He also groomed Clay. And dont tell me he humps anyone considering in his last two fights he choked a legend and broke a guys jaw. Or what about Nate? Considering before Grudge and Whittman became so big Greg was his head trainer when Nate was on the rise up to the top of the division.
Good try though Bud
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
he doesn't want to acknowledge that
Rashad over Liddell was 2008 KO of the year according to everyone.
And the Sean Salman fight is still one of my all time favs for sure.
I like Shad.. but he’s not a fav fighter of mine or anything…
No Pressure, No Diamonds - Thomas Carlyle
by Bigger Zino on Jan 20, 2011 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Mine neither. But Greg was the foundation that made Rashad into an elite fighter
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2011 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Greg is a little bit of everything. And alot of people ask that but never to my knowledge has ever competed.
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2011 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
That matters why?
It is not like in the case of a draw, the trainers go at it.
JB JB JB JB!! (For all the bass ackwards BJ Penn fans that actually think he will not get blanketed by Fitch.)
it matters because it's hard to be a great coach at something you don't know about first hand.
being a manager is more about theory. which seems to be greg’s thing.
I am who i is.
Wrong. Managers manage careers. Manage gyms. He trains and coaches fighters, their fights and lifestyles
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2011 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
Thats not a true barometer
There are great coaches in lots of sports that either never competed, or didn’t excel as a competitor. Just as there are great mma minds, that choose to share their vast knowledge on a website, as opposed to being a coach :)
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
by Jrandolph on Jan 20, 2011 12:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I’m just stating facts ans, you can’t argue against facts bud. Rashad was one of the most fear striker at 205 before joining Jackson, remember when he KTFO Sean Salmon? I bet if Evans wasn’t at Jacksons, he’d of knocked out Rampage..
Remember when he KTFO Chuck? Those were the days, Rashad was a k1 level striker back in the day. I’m not just talking about your average striker, I’m talking top of the food chain, k1 level striker.. But then he joined Jacksons, shame.
Jackson pretty much ruined Nates career as far as I’m concerned. His last 2 performances have been awful, and that’s because of Jackson. In the 3rd against Okami he wanted to just throw down and knock Okami out, but he knew he wasn’t allowed..
Ok you have to take a time out
for being a tard.
"I don't want a large farva. I want a goddamn litre o' cola! " - Rod Farva
He was at Gregs for the Salmon fight. He was with Greg for the Chuck fight.
Rashad was never a K1 caliber striker. He was a wrestler coming into Gregs. A pure wrestler. Then he got with Greg and Winklejohn.
Nate had a world title shot with Greg. Just FYI
Im done now bud
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Rashad joined Jacksons just after the chuck fight..
I just exposed Jacksons camp.. I’m done now bud, you probably train at Jacksons. Jackson is probably telling you what to put, he probably told you to put ‘Im done now bud’ and back out, because he knows if you continue I’ll just rip into his camp even more. He doesn’t want that.
ans, i don't care! hit him with your groin!
this is how champions are made, go out there and fight this troll!
come danago. Your better than this.
No Pressure, No Diamonds - Thomas Carlyle
by Bigger Zino on Jan 20, 2011 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
like pissing in the wind...
one step forward, two steps back
JB JB JB JB!! (For all the bass ackwards BJ Penn fans that actually think he will not get blanketed by Fitch.)
one guy gets two decisions
after three ko’s in a row and your all upset at somebody.
Danny – you a hater.
No Pressure, No Diamonds - Thomas Carlyle
by Bigger Zino on Jan 20, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
He's drinking the extra bitter.
Head Thai trainer at Chaos Theory MMA, you haven't heard of us but soon enough you will.
Do work son!
why does everyone hate the yankees?
cause they fucking win…cesar and greg are completely different coaches/trainers, but for cesar to call greg out is ridiculous…GSP – champ, top 3 P4P, Shad – title shot upcoming, Bones – top prospect in the UFC, and even now Clay is on the fast track…and cesar is coaching triple-A champs…youre kidding yourself if you think the coach of the arena football league champions isnt watching the NFL playoffs right now and wishing he was there…THAT’S who cesar gracie is right now with this comment
"I don't think Diego Sanchez belongs at 170. He does not look good at 170." - Dana White after Diego's loss to Hathaway
"I love Diego Sanchez at 170." - Dana White after Diego's victory over Paulo Thiago
Gotta love a president that sticks to his guns...
100% Agree
I’m not a big Jackson camp fan, but to be honest, its for all the above stated reasons. I, hate the Yankees, Dallas Cowboys, Lakers, Duke bb team, Patriots, but I wouldn’t care who they were, if they all hadn’t been stacking up championships.
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
by Jrandolph on Jan 20, 2011 12:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I know the Gracies are a very important name in mma history...
But now they are struggling to stay relevant. Greg Jackson produces champions (GSP, Rashad, and interim champ Carwin, and soon to be champion Jon Jones). Everyone complains about how these guys were good fighters before and Jackson just reaps the rewards. Not true. He changed GSP from a super-athletic but mentally weak fighter (should have demolished Hughes and Serra the first time) into a super-athletic, strategic striking and wrestling dynamo that takes the best fighters in the world and humiliates them. He hasn’t lost a round since joining the Jackson camp. It’s about winning. Not about pleasing know-nothing, idiot fans who think mma is nothing but knockouts. Rashad has gotten way more efficient. So has Jones. All the Gracies care about is jiu-jitsu. GSP is going to humiliate Shields, Guida beat Diaz, Maynard or Edgar would own Melendez. Gracie has nothing on Jackson
Neither Gray or Frankie are at Jackson's
Jackson doesn’t have a LW better than Gil. Maybe Diego if he drops back down, but that is extremely debatable.
JB JB JB JB!! (For all the bass ackwards BJ Penn fans that actually think he will not get blanketed by Fitch.)
Actually Ironically Gil has beat a Jacksons LW. Clay Guida.
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2011 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Wrong. Their manager is Ricky
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
manager is european for coach...they use manager instead of coach i'm pretty sure
Train hard to fight easy.
by the chubbster on Jan 21, 2011 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
correct
in football (soccer for you) the term manager is used for the guy who designs tactics, decides who trains in what skills when, does the team talk, basically runs the whole show.
He normally employs technically skilled coaches to do the actual skills training, but there are examples of managers who were top class players and did a lot of technical coaching as well (Carlo Ancelotti and Johan Cruyff jump to mind).
This also explains rob’s previous post saying managers need not have competed but coaches prob should have. A manager can be a second-rate player or never played pro in football (Jose Mourinho and Alex Ferguson the two most successful modern managers fit this bill).
yep that's how i knew what he was talking about. Playing FIFA all these
years sure does help.lol Jose Mourinho best in the world!! HALA MADRID :D
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by the chubbster on Jan 21, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
just keeping you honest. ;)
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Greg Jackson isn't a Coach. He's a Cult Leader.
Greg Jackson’s “Camp” AKA the Cult is about a lifestyle… not fighting. If it was about fighting, you wouldn’t see someone win points for two rounds, then literally turn their back to their opponent and run away (Watch Stephens vs. Guillard as well as others). Fighters coming out of that camp don’t brag about their training… they brag about their newfound enlightenment and attitude. It’s a cult. It’s primarily because of this camp that Judging needs to improve their fight competency and also change scoring criteria. If they don’t, cultists who avoid getting knocked out and stifle their opponents will win decisions. I’d rather see a fighter come to fight than a cultist come to appease his guru.
by MMAisfuntowatch on Jan 20, 2011 12:27 PM EST reply actions
Oh brother. Haha. Damn I have heard it all
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2011 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Apparently
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 20, 2011 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Hater in the house...
Greg Jackson reminds me of an NFL head coach. Much like a football coach, he assembles a staff of coaches to help him succeed. U don’t see bill belechick coach the o-line, The defensive backs, the running backs, etc all at the same time. He’s got assistant coaches that do all that.
MMA is much like football in that it is so complex. For a pro fighter U absolutely must have a staff of coaches because one guy can’t do everything.
Also, football is all about winning. As so it should be with MMA. In football when it’s 4 mins to go in the 4th qtr and your up by 10 and u have the ball, what are u gonna do? Obviously your gonna run a 4 minute drill and hand the ball off to your running back in hopes to run down the clock. In MMA when your clearly winning the first 2 rounds, what r u gonna do? Your gonna butt hump till the round is over so u can get the easy W. Butt humping in MMA is equivalent to running the rock In football.
by Drew Nikel on Jan 20, 2011 1:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I think part of being a coach is knowing when you cant help a athlete.
Setting em up with another person be it athlete/training partner, camp or evaluating goals, game plans etc.
I think it would prove interesting to have a camp vs camp show down….
But I think its pretty obvious how that one would go down.
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