UFC 125: Jacob Volkmann wants to fight President Barack Obama because he thinks he's an 'idiot'
by Geno Mrosko on Jan 2, 2011 1:40 PM EST
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haha
hes a little dry, but fuck that took balls…brilliant!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PWyOrw6rNg
- The reason you gotta respect Rampage, if not love him!
by Randy for Couture on Jan 2, 2011 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
This guy is a moron. Not because he wants to fight barack (that's his perogative)
but because this was obviously a dig back at McKee for all the race bullshit he was throwing at him. But he was too much of a cowardly bitch to insult Mckee despite having beat him so he tells us his life story. I mean really who the fuck is thinking about obama in the middle of an mma fight or after it with all the adrenaline/ the pain killers/post fight bs. I hate bitches that can’t be upfront. Either he needs to get his lester on and come at antonio like a klansman or shut he fuck up.
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 2, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
That is ridiculous NNR. He gave specific reasons why he is unhappy with Obama, which had absolutely nothing to do with McKee. You are really reaching there.
"Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
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"I hate bitches that can't be upfront."
I hate whiny bitches want to cry racism at anything and can’t use common sense to see reality. He has a business to go back to and explained what he was thinking and what he’s got on happening in his LIFE next, not just fighting.
by Mayhem chimpanzee on Jan 2, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
He won the fight....come back better that's it.
Mckee talked mad shit about him so why not take this time to shit on him or put it out there as opposed to going in a circular route. That’s all i am asking for…..not his life story. If you guys think am reaching well….i don’t think so, maybe i am.
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 2, 2011 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if the secret service will visit him though. You can’t just go around talking about inflicting violence on the POTUS.
"Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
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Why would he take the time to “shit on him” and be a sore winner? He just won the fight. NNR, you just referred to him as a klansman because he NOT talking racial shit?? Yet you seem to not differentiate between individual black men, equating McKee and Peebo. What’s next? You gonna tell us they all look alike? Please just stop for the sake of civlized debate. Leave that stuff to Lester.
by Mayhem chimpanzee on Jan 2, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
*i said he should either respond like lester aka the klansman not go sideways with hinting at it with
the obama comment. i am saying that that’s what volkman is doing. he’s deflecting his issue with McKee to other shit instead of a direct response back. But i’ll leave it alone. I can’t believe i care this much about Jacob volkman hehe.
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 2, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
LOL!
Yes we can… outspend Bush?
@fjbar on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
by _Felix_ on Jan 2, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
+100000000000000
I like bacon...and Rashad Evans is a pussy..It does NOT matter who wins the Brock vs Cain fight because they are simply baby sitting the belt for Junior.
#1 Quinton Rampage the Dragon Slayer Jackson fan for LIFE..FTW!!!
A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his"
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i find it funny how americans still vote REPUBLICAN even tho they dont do shit for the middle class
all there fuckin worried about is the lobbyists and the richest rich. and these dumb fucks on umeployement still vote R.
"Your fucking out!!"- Kenny Powers
"MMM, sticky female bumholes"
Great old, used up talking point!
What’s funnier is how ignorant people vote dem thinking that party cares about the middle class. Look where the campaign donations come from. Both sides get money from the same corporations, unions, and special interest.
When you learn to think objectively you’ll understand this.
@fjbar on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
did u miss the part where republicans held the unemployed hostage until they got there tax cuts for the top 2%?
"Your fucking out!!"- Kenny Powers
"MMM, sticky female bumholes"
glenn beck got a hold of you son?????
"Your fucking out!!"- Kenny Powers
"MMM, sticky female bumholes"
Typical villainizing of rich people
Hey, if weren’t for the evil rich you wouldn’t be able to type your ignorance on SB Nation or even have a computer.
The tax cuts were already in place genius. It just makes sense to extend them for everyone, including the evil rich corporations that employ most Americans.
I could go into the basics of how that works but you obviously don’t have the capacity to comprehend such an elementary explanation.
And dude, I’m a registered Independent thats voted for both Dems and Republicans. So your Republican bashing is kind of pointless. It just shows your lack of objectivity.
@fjbar on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
and for my ignorance..
sorry to voice my opinion, i just think its a fuckin joke that people in the states go bankrupt from the stupidest shit, ie medical care, but yet the government has no problem shelling out billions for tax cuts
"Your fucking out!!"- Kenny Powers
"MMM, sticky female bumholes"
in the middle of a recession no less
"Your fucking out!!"- Kenny Powers
"MMM, sticky female bumholes"
By definition, the government cannot “shell out” anything for tax cuts. Taxes are taken from the people. It is not the government’s money to begin with.
And when was there ever a special tax cut for the top 2%? WTF are you talking about.
"Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
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your government just extended the bush tax cuts for people making over 250k for another 2 years
not a special tax cut, but a tax cut that isnt necessary. But i mean who can live off of 250k without some sort of tax break.
"Your fucking out!!"- Kenny Powers
"MMM, sticky female bumholes"
you do realize these aren’t new tax cuts? these are an extension of Bush tax cuts…
America already has one of the most highly uneven tax scales. even if u look at socialist leaning countries like Sweden everyone has high tax rates, including the middle class. America’s $250k plus earners already pay a high tax rate.
i do realize they arent new tax cuts
thats why i said “your government just extended the bush tax cuts…”
"Your fucking out!!"- Kenny Powers
"MMM, sticky female bumholes"
i live in canada eh
i just dont see how so many poor people get the short end of the stick, but yet the richest of the rich are getting richer. bankers getting huge bonuses from tax payers dollars after the bank has just been bailed out. shit like that irks me. i see interviews with congressmen and senators saying people on unemployement are lazy and dont want to look for jobs.
"Your fucking out!!"- Kenny Powers
"MMM, sticky female bumholes"
Did you know that the top marginal tax rates are lower in Canada than in the U.S.? Your top bracket is 29%, while ours is 35%. So by your logic, your government is giving much more in tax cuts for the wealthy.
"Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
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the free medical coverage
more than makes up for it
"Your fucking out!!"- Kenny Powers
"MMM, sticky female bumholes"
i wont go bankrupt and lose my house
over an infected toe
"Your fucking out!!"- Kenny Powers
"MMM, sticky female bumholes"
It's not free
Single-payer health care is killing Canada’s ability to pay for any other services. It’s running at 10% of our GDP and half of government budgets.
And here’s another fact. If we had two-tier health care, we wouldn’t “force” the rich people in Canada to let us pay for their care.
Hi Poot, I have to agree with sittingbull
what you may perceive as Canadians giving the rich more tax cuts is incorrect. You are basing this only on income taxes, and your percentage is incorrect. The 29% is for those who make between $50-90,000. Those who make more pay more than that. Also, their are other forms of taxation that also tip things to greater balance. Canada and other `socialist`countries pay more taxes but people tend to live better, happier lives.
I have American co workers and I get angry over the shit I hear sometimes. Shrinking middle class, no healthcare and decaying public schools. Canada is not perfect either, but I can tell you this, I often look to the US as a country that could provide for all it`s citizens, but doesn`t because the fat cats want more and more money.
And for those of you who all support the rich, for whatever reason, I hope you enjoy taking it with you to the grave. It won`t mean anything then.
by judomania on Jan 2, 2011 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No, not nicely written, because it’s 100% wrong. The 29% rate is the highest federal tax rate in Canada. Source: http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html
So, to sum up, Canada has a lower tax rate on “the rich” than America does. So how can you criticize us for our tax rates on those earning more than 250K?
"Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
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Times are tough in America but I still wouldn't leave
In America the top 5% richest pay 50% of all taxes paid in the country. I don’t understand where this notion is coming from that rich people aren’t taxed very much. It seems to be the holy grail/hail mary of all political strategies. How do we fix this? How do we fix that? Raise taxes on the rich!!
If you listen to the horseshit that comes out of these peoples’ mouths they try to set up people in that tax bracket as the enemy when the real enemy is the politicians themselves who take money from them as campaign contributions, lobbying, and increasing their taxes. And what do they do with it? Turn right back around and give bailouts as compensation for their incompetent and illegal business practices. All the while increasing the burden of small business owners by mandating healthcare and high unemployment benefits to the point where they cannot afford to hire new employees.
As to your claim of quality of life that’s debatable. If it weren’t for the medical advancements in the United States I would be dead and so would the 4 Canadians who were in the clinic with me years ago.
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Jan 4, 2011 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
“In America the top 5% richest pay 50% of all taxes paid in the country.”
This sounds about right, but they also own a large bulk of the wealth. The idea that the rich ’don’t pay enough’ comes from a comparison of historical tax rates. During the post WW2 years, the top marginal tax rates were 91% (compared to today’s 35%). Since the 70’s it’s been lowered and guess what? America now has the largest wealth disparity in the world.
Why is disparity of "wealth" an issue?
If you have 1 million dollars and I have 100, what is wrong with that? If you were to get taxed more I wouldn’t get that money, the government would. And what did I do to earn it anyway?
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Jan 7, 2011 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
It's no use. . .
Arguing with whining little people who think they deserve all the privileges of the wealthy without doing anything more than placing a vote. America doesn’t owe you anything, the rich don’t owe you anything, but there is a world of possibility to become whatever you want if you work hard and believe in yourself. THAT is the American dream. Not letting a dictator redistribute the wealth so everyone can have a castle. Research your history, more specifically about the downfalling of prosperous civilizations. The theme is always the same. Greedy and power hungry politicians make a grab for the top seats of the government by promising money, food, shelter, and jobs in exchange for their vote, their loyalty, and ultimately their freedom. Get a clue. . .
Nice talking points but back to actual economic history. WW2/Post WW2 America was one of higher taxes on the top earners and heavy unionization. The middle/lower classes actually made a living wage. These weren’t handouts (these people worked) and this wasn’t some dictatorship that gave everyone a castle. It was post WW2 America.
Hows that coolaid tasting?
You’re reading the modern (rewritten) history of the progressives. I bet you think FDR saved America from the depression too right? Wrong. What I mentioned above are not talking points, but factual and quanitifiably evidenced history of powerful civilizations. You can argue against truth all you want, but if you fail to learn the facts of the past you will be destined to relive them. . .as you so enthusiastically appear to do so. Welcome to 1984 brother.
Perhaps I should have made my entire point. The increase in wealth at the top has come partially at the expense of middle/lower class wages. Even though the economy has grown, and Americans work longer/harder, they take home less than they used to. More of those gains have gone to the top 2%. Unions, though by no means perfect, were certainly instrumental in keeping the pie distributed in a fashion whereby the middle/lower class was actually making a living wage.
Unions are good in ideology but hurtful in practice
It’s one of the things that bankrupt American automakers and subsequently led to handouts (although this was not necessary) which increased government spending and subsequently more taxation.
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Jan 12, 2011 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
The Detroit example is an instance of TOO much power given over to unions—I’ll grant you that. But unions are partly what led to America’s middle class. The busting up of unions has magically coincided with an erosion of the middle class which has seen real income drop 12% with virtually all of gains going to the top 2%. This lack of buying power for the middle class is also what’s making this recovery so slow. Corp. profits are up but demand is still flt….people don’t have the money to buy the products companies make, so why should they hire more workers if they’re not sure people will buy expanded inventories?
I don't believe the whole "spending is slow" talk
Consumer spending has been steadily increasing. The real concern everyone has right now is the housing market and the price of oil.
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Jan 14, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
"The 29% is for those who make between $50-90,000. Those who make more pay more than that."
You are wrong. The tax rates are available at:
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/ndvdls/fq/txrts-eng.html
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Wrong. These people were sold out by Reagan whose trickle down economics has been nothing more than a golden shower on anyone not in the top 5%. As union-busting became popular and the tax code became less progressive, America has seen an increase in wealth/income disparity to the point where it’s most unequal of advanced countries.
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/8661/unitedstatessocialmobil.jpg
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/7743/top1percent.jpg
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/09/19/opinion/19krugman2.533.jpg
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/149/snap20060621.jpg
Is it you?
Obama, Chavez, Putin? It’s getting hard to tell anymore. Do a little more research on Reagans policies and how they saved the economy from the horrors of Nixon and Carter, and averted another world war bring an end to the cold war. BTW, the website that you’re pushing is clearly unsubstantive.
I don’t doubt Reagan’s performance in helping end the cold war, and his policies were likely necessary for the time being. However, the idea of keeping tax rates on the top low and continuing to bust unions is what mainly destroyed the middle class.
So..
you think Unions are a good think (just cause you obviously work for one – I can see your apparent disdain for Reagan). Dude, take a good look at Detroit and see for yourself the fruits of the unions. Unions are a major cause of the downfall of the economy. Sorry pal, facts are facts and truth has no agenda.
Unions helped create what we call the middle class. The dismantling of unions is largely what’s led to the decline of such.
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/149/snap20060621.jpg
There are many factors to Detroit’s downfall, and I do agree that Unions gained too many concessions in the 80’s, which hindered Detroit’s efforts down the road. However, instead of lobbying Congress to NOT pass stricter fuel-efficiency laws and keeping gas taxes low, they could have remained the leader in fuel efficiency instead o finding themselves 10 years behind the Japanese as they now are. Of course, the Japanese auto manufacturers had backing from their own government to absorb many of the R&D costs and this helped boost them ahead. And Detroit was making some smart choices before they were blindsided by a financial meltdown that destroyed the credit system they depended on for selling vehicles.
What a stupid comment.
Government doesn’t “shell out billions” for tax cuts. It is not spending anything to not take away the money that people have earned. They are completely seperate equations.
by Mayhem chimpanzee on Jan 2, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
lol its called oppurtunity cost
haha charade you are....
by Weedsuplement on Jan 2, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Im a registered independent...When its time to vote you just have to figure out which guy will crook you less
I like bacon...and Rashad Evans is a pussy..It does NOT matter who wins the Brock vs Cain fight because they are simply baby sitting the belt for Junior.
#1 Quinton Rampage the Dragon Slayer Jackson fan for LIFE..FTW!!!
A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his"
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yep!
Ill keep track myself.
For 125 i would have went 4/7
I stand at 91 in my lone man wolf pack pool
by *Californication* on Jan 2, 2011 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Truth.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Jan 2, 2011 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
its sad but so very true..all politicians have their own interests in mind not their country.
As soon as someone gets elected they started working on getting re-elected before trying to make anything better…we dont we have to worry about Obama more tho..He is basically on vacation for the next 2 years since the republicans are the majority now. any presented with just be shot down by the opposite side
I like bacon...and Rashad Evans is a pussy..It does NOT matter who wins the Brock vs Cain fight because they are simply baby sitting the belt for Junior.
#1 Quinton Rampage the Dragon Slayer Jackson fan for LIFE..FTW!!!
A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his"
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go with a party that pretends to care? or a party that doesnt give a fuck about you
unless your white and rich. ie Republicans
"Your fucking out!!"- Kenny Powers
"MMM, sticky female bumholes"
That is an old played out tag against Reps. Yet the democrats are trustworthy as witnessed by their racebaiting.
by Mayhem chimpanzee on Jan 2, 2011 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
Unemployment for African Americans
has reached a 25-year high under Obama of 20 per cent. One in five blacks don’t have a job.
dont you think extreme poverty and the recession- meaning less available jobs
has something to do with it?
by theworldismine on Jan 2, 2011 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
You need to google permanent unemployment
It’s a new lifestyle created by this government. It is people who have permanently given up on finding a job because they are making enough money on unemployment. It doesn’t have anything to do with race but rather opportunity.
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Jan 4, 2011 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
in fairness unambig,
if you came into power after Bush shit the bed, I doubt you would be able to do much.
I commend Obama for at least pushing things he is passionate about.
Who got you there? Seriously I will never generalize, but it makes me feel like America is mostly retarded
You obviously have a higher knowledge of your political system than me- but doesn’t it seem irrational to be choked at Obama and blocking his attempts to do anything, when it was the previous 8 years of republican rule that really hurt the country? I find it unfair to expect Obama to fix 8 years of problems in 1.Please elaborate since you seem educated.
by theworldismine on Jan 2, 2011 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
"Blocking his attempts to do anything"?
The guy had a majority in BOTH the House and the Senate. The only ones blocking him doing anything were him, his people, or his agenda. He has given countless money in meaningless stimulus packages that didn’t work, made health care is main priority, and after 18 months of him claiming his presidency would be one of openness with no secrets, in his very first executive order he banned the release of any of his records. Of course anyone with half a brain knew the openness part never would or should happen. One of the very, next things he did was to fund overseas abortions in third world clinics with the US Taxpayer picking up the tab.
Health care was his priority, it was passed and now he has to live with the results of the midterm elections. Just like we all do, he has made his bed and he has to lay in it. The difference is he had both houses of congress and could have made pretty much any bed he wanted.
Good or bad, right or wrong, agree or disagree, the one thing this man does not get from me is sympathy either way.
Well you obviously have bias.... and I don't claim to know your politics well at all.
Thats why I was asking.
by theworldismine on Jan 2, 2011 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
I missed that part about you not knowing the politics, my bad.
My main point, which may have gotten lost in the rant and for that I apologize, was that no one blocked his attempts. Because his party controlled the House and the Senate, he could have gotten passed pretty much anything he wanted to within reason. The is particularly true early on coming off the heels of a massive victory and everyone wanting to be on his good side.
The rant was pointing out his choices that left many in both parties baffled. Believe me, I would be saying the same thing no matter what party he was.
He is an amazing public speaker, and I think we were all hoping he was that leader we needed, but he has proved too young, too inexperienced, and was too naive to think he could come in and change politics as usual. With that said, I don’t know who beats him in 2012 because it surely won’t be Palin.
And before you go into my bias to bad, you are talking to a n Illinois/Chicago boy here; the president’s home state.
“The guy had a majority in BOTH the House and the Senate. The only ones blocking him doing anything were him, his people, or his agenda.”
WRONG. Republicans unanimously opposed him, along with a handful of conservative dems. This is all it took for a filibuster to work. The healthcare bill that passed was a watered down version of his original plan, which had no chance of passing. The fighter in the video is ranting because health insurance companies will probably cover chiropratic visits less because they have to focus more on practices that actually work.
“He has given countless money in meaningless stimulus packages that didn’t work,”
Actually, the limited stimulus packages that did pass kept the economy from hitting a 2nd great depression. The economy lost 700,000 jobs the month the ARRA passed. The job losses hit zero in 6 months and since then, the economy has gained about 1 million jobs.
Cecil Cecil Cecil . . .
I looked at your profile and found that you only became a member of this forum on January 6th in wake of this “controversy”. Since joining, I noticed that this is the only forum that you have posted on and the only message that you care to give is to perpetuate the Obama propaganda machine. That information alone discredits anything that you have to say regarding Obama and his “achievements”. The claim that Obama has gained 1 million jobs is probably the only claim that you can personally account for. So tell me, what Union or progressive organization hired you to spend your day searching the internet for anything negative said against your employer (Obama) and promptly confront such ideas. This is just another example of how our first amendment rights are being flushed down the toilet. Media matters is all about propaganda and control by the systematic displacement of the 1st amendment. This douche just proved it.. .Thanks Cecil for unwittingly proving my point.
LOL!
I like you Cecil. You’re funny! I don’t think it gets us anywhere bickering about this since we both come from obvious opposing views of thought. My school of thought allows YOU to think and do whatever you want so long as it doesn’t infringe on my basics rights of life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness. None of those you have infringed on yet, so we’re cool. Cheers bro.
+1
I like bacon...and Rashad Evans is a pussy..It does NOT matter who wins the Brock vs Cain fight because they are simply baby sitting the belt for Junior.
#1 Quinton Rampage the Dragon Slayer Jackson fan for LIFE..FTW!!!
A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his"
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I agree..Obama is a moron and an idiot
I like bacon...and Rashad Evans is a pussy..It does NOT matter who wins the Brock vs Cain fight because they are simply baby sitting the belt for Junior.
#1 Quinton Rampage the Dragon Slayer Jackson fan for LIFE..FTW!!!
A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his"
...
Slick Willy showed us
there is nothing wrong w/ letting the ladies know that you’re money & that you like to party!
@fjbar on twitter...formerly El Mexicutioner
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits."-Albert Einstein
by Craigo8609 on Jan 2, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lol Clinton the Pimp and old playa haha good 1
"You know 1,000 techniques but you suck at all of them"--Carlson Gracie
NIIIICE!
I like bacon...and Rashad Evans is a pussy..It does NOT matter who wins the Brock vs Cain fight because they are simply baby sitting the belt for Junior.
#1 Quinton Rampage the Dragon Slayer Jackson fan for LIFE..FTW!!!
A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic."
The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his"
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anyone catch the fiasco going on in the background?
This guy is like one of them girls that you ask a question on a first date and she tells you her life story with all the details.
Burt Watson gone wild.
Basically he looked like he was saying, “Grispi! Hurry up and get out to this cage and get your beating.”
by Mayhem chimpanzee on Jan 2, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Good for Volkmann
To those who believed the Obama hype…what exactly has changed for the better?
Nothing.
Democrats and Republicans are just two different sides of the same coin.
TFK
by TFK on Jan 2, 2011 2:30 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
100 % agree TFK
With the win over the legend Matt Hughes the gates are slowly being greased. Soon it will be time to open the Shit gates once again.
U guys have such a short memory, Who brought us into the recession???
haha charade you are....
by Weedsuplement on Jan 2, 2011 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
sorry lmao. Didnt see the same coin comment
haha charade you are....
by Weedsuplement on Jan 2, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
Once the dems took control over the house and senate...
the economy took a nose dive. Before that it was doing great. People were annoyed at the war and they thought voting in more democraps in 2006 would make things better, but it got worse.
If you don’t agree, look it up. See where the economy was in 2006 before the elections and see what happened after the liberals took over the house and senate. That led to nobama getting elected in 2008 because ignorant people voted for change.
bring back bush he uses eddie guerreros quote
i lie i cheat i steal
"Your fucking out!!"- Kenny Powers
"MMM, sticky female bumholes"
bush federal budget increases
20% increase in federal spending from 2001 – 2004 (biggest increase in history)
clintons first term spending increased by 4%
I KNOW that clintons regulatory changes to banking where a major cause of the banking crisis. But Bush did nothing to fix it.
The economy was not doing great before obama took over. The rep’s handed the dem’s a shit economy and then blamed it on them!
haha charade you are....
by Weedsuplement on Jan 2, 2011 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
read what I wrote a little closer.
I didn’t write the economy was great when obama tool over.
Ignorance is bliss.
your implying that the repubs managed the economy better
and thats not true. They managed it just as bad
haha charade you are....
by Weedsuplement on Jan 2, 2011 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
it like if i rack up a 400 dollar tab at the bar and say im going to the bath room and skip out
haha charade you are....
by Weedsuplement on Jan 2, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
BTW im not an obama thumper so dont get all up tight
haha charade you are....
by Weedsuplement on Jan 2, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
the banking regulation problems bakc way further than 2006 Mr. ignorance is bliss
haha charade you are....
by Weedsuplement on Jan 2, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Bosco, you quoted " before that it was doing great " hahahaha
by theworldismine on Jan 2, 2011 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
lmao i didnt even notice that
haha charade you are....
by Weedsuplement on Jan 3, 2011 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
you forgot about . .
Everything the Dems have done SINCE taking over while constantly pointing at the shit sandwich they inherited. Obama’s platform of “transparency” has led to even more back room policy making and the unconstitutional Unionization of America. My point is that BOTH the Rep’s and the Dem’s are to blame and as long as we all sit and complain about who is right and who is wrong, the REAL powers are taking us all to the cleaners.
Bosco...the factor's that led to the economic collapse(mainly the fraudulent and illegal actions of the banks) were in place well before 2006, and both parties are to blame.
People need to stop thinking in terms of® and (D), that shit’s just a facade to keep the majority of the people divided. If people ever realize that® and (D) are equally to blame for our problems, we might see some real change by getting rid of the current power structure.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
The economy took a dive because of the housing bubble burst. This can be blamed on both Reps and Dems but more so on the Rep side because of their insistence on deregulation which allowed the tangled financial web that led to the bubble in the first place.
Obama inherited a nightmare and he spent what political capital he had keeping the economy from falling into another great depression and passing a health care bill that improved what we had before but was still not as good as what he originally intended (that’s politics).
How we got here...
People who point to one person or event and say ’that’s how he got into this recession’ aren’t seeing the whole picture. It wasn’t just one person or political party that sent our economy into the toilet. It was a series of events commited by both major parties.
The goals of the Democrats are no different then the goals of the Republicans, and neither of them are in the best interests of the people. People need to wake up and see the political machine for what it truly is, instead of blindly blaming liberals or conservatives for all the country’s woes.
But as long as they keep us fighting with each other, we’ll never get around to fighting them.
TFK
by TFK on Jan 2, 2011 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
+1
plus people need to realize that they dont need to be consumer whores to be happy in life. The whole economy is built on consumer spending.
haha charade you are....
by Weedsuplement on Jan 2, 2011 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
im not a marxists but there is definetley some truth to his idea
that the rich exploit the poor. Who pays for every politicians campaign? rich people who OWN LOTS OF STOCKS, and want to have an inside edge on the government
haha charade you are....
by Weedsuplement on Jan 2, 2011 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
You are an idiot
Every single person that has a 401k or an IRA has a VESTED interest in the stock market (look up vested). Based on your point, every person who works should be a Repulican or at have the same interests as " rich people who OWN LOTS OF STOCKS, and want to have an inside edge on the government"
40% of financial wealth is owned by 1% of the pop that includes pensions
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by Weedsuplement on Jan 2, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
O those 80% of people own 9% of financial wealth. WOWEEY
their rich as fuck
haha charade you are....
by Weedsuplement on Jan 2, 2011 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
You are BLINDLY focused on the Rich
You are too envious of what you can not attain and have a blind distaste for those that do. Why would rich not want to protect their wealth. Why would anyone not want to protect their wealth. Democrats are trying to their own wealth by giving away others wealth.
You think that the RICH are in a class by themselves, but they have the same interests of everone that works a 9-5. Don’t take what I earned.
man i dont want to be rich!!!
and the rich people that earned it are humble. look at bill gates. Its the rich families like the bush family that arent humble. What did GW do to earn his wealth except be born??
haha charade you are....
by Weedsuplement on Jan 2, 2011 4:00 PM EST up reply actions
or rockafeller he was a great philanthropist too and earned it and was not born into it!!!
haha charade you are....
by Weedsuplement on Jan 2, 2011 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
“You are too envious of what you can not attain and have a blind distaste for those that do”
I doubt the poster is envious, but rather pointing out a fact. As the tax rate has become less progressive and unions have been battered down, the rich have gotten far richer and the poor and middle class have been plundered. It has nothing to do with “envy” or one set of people not working hard enough. The rich don’t become so in a vacuum—they do it off the hard work of those who are now barely able to pay their bills and feed their children. It’s only fair they pay back into the system which allows them to get rich in the first place.
Paul Krugman on the Middle Class
But what has changed for the worse
These ignorant A-holes still support this dumbass and have no idea what is coming down the pipeline. I work in banking and am expecting a 30% paycut due his new policy on Interchange fees. Very soon, every bank will be changing their checking accounts to include a fee unless you maintain a minimum balance (not to mention other incidental fees – say good-bye to your rewards debit cards) Who does this hurt? The same poor bastards that voted for the dickhead that are still waiting by the mailbox for their Obama check….
u guys in the banking sector fucked everybody over
the tarp bailout cost everybody 2000+ dollars. It was completley the big 4’s fault.
haha charade you are....
by Weedsuplement on Jan 2, 2011 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
Keep your guns. You probably don't have any money.
And define freedom in your country as opposed to freedom in mine?
Blame your socialist President
He gave out the money. BTW, my company didn’t need the money, but was force to take it and has paid it back with the required interest.
are you serious. Do you know who approved and signed the tarp bailout into law???
haha charade you are....
by Weedsuplement on Jan 2, 2011 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
im not blaming the government, the economy would have collapsed if it was signed
im blamming the banking sector
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by Weedsuplement on Jan 2, 2011 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
Do you know why the banking sector failed?
Who do you think forced banks to lend money to unqualified, unworthy borrowers, all because those damn rich bastards who paid their bills and had good credit and the ability to pay their bills were making on appreciation?
The poor and lazy are the bane of our existence.
forced, just cause they could they didnt have too
i know clintons regulations where stupid. But the banks knew what they where doing
haha charade you are....
by Weedsuplement on Jan 2, 2011 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
You're a tool. And not a very sharp one.
The only real possession you'll ever have is your character
-Tom Wolf
Yan117
The only real possession you’ll ever have is your character
-Tom Wolf
Reread this
Yan117
The only real possession you’ll ever have is your character
-Tom Wolf
Done.
What you said was pretty dumb. I thought maybe you didn’t know it was. Wise up.
The only real possession you'll ever have is your character
-Tom Wolf
lol i thought u were calling me stupid at first
haha charade you are....
by Weedsuplement on Jan 3, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
here is a quick NON- biased version of the events
CRA- community reinvestment act: Congress passed the Act in 1977 to reduce discriminatory credit practices against low-income neighborhoods
However when Bill Clinton was prez he signed a revision to the Federal Deposit Insurance act to allow banks to merge and form other types of financial institutions.(THIS WAS THE MAIN PROBLEM)
Banks then had a good reason to over extend huge sub prime mortages. They could engineer financial assets from the loans and sell them.
This lead to:
1:borrowers overextending ( banks allowing it, and ecncouraging it)
2:predatory lending ( Telling people they could afford HUGE loans)
- They got a tax credit for lending to poor people
- The CRA did not significantly increase the ammount of loans to poor people: This is according to multiple studies by the federal reserve
3:speculation ( House prices will always go up)
2008 Nobel Prize in Economics winner Paul Krugman104 noted in November 2009 that 55% of commercial real estate loans were currently underwater, despite being completely unaffected by the CRA.105 According to Federal Reserve Governor Randall Kroszner, the claim that “the law pushed banking institutions to undertake high-risk mortgage lending” was contrary to their experience,
Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act#Regulatory_changes_1995
haha charade you are....
by Weedsuplement on Jan 3, 2011 9:38 AM EST up reply actions
Dude, you're missing the whole securitization and derivatives piece of this puzzle, which is a HUGE piece.
The banks are much more shitty than you are giving them credit for.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
LMAO i figured people would know that already
that only screwed over investors and other corporations and other banks not home owners ne ways
haha charade you are....
by Weedsuplement on Jan 3, 2011 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
No, it screwed over everyone dude. All that TARP money, we have to pay for that.
All of the inflation we’re going to see coming, it’s all related. That banking noise was some of the worst shit in America’s history.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
your right, But the argument was about WHY it happened, and if u read my earlier posts ull notice i mentioned the tarp bailouts. roughly $2000 a piece it cost
Current economic problems have alot to do with Free trade, consumer habbits/saving habbits, middcle class advances in china and india aswell and not just the banking failure.
Thier was a huge bubble in housing and stock prices before 2008
haha charade you are....
by Weedsuplement on Jan 4, 2011 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
One problem with this is. . .
You are falsely comparing who is to blame between the government and the private sector (capitalism). That is what THEY want us to be debating and their cronies in the major news networks perpetuate this red herring debate. The real problem is the FED Reserve/central bankers and their relationship and control over the government and media. The bigger picture would be to analyze who is calling all the shots and why do corruption in the banking system begat corruption in politics. They’re all pawns to the powerful elite, ie George Soros. You can’t start an argument about the corruption of the private sector without acknowledging who is calling the shot and what they’re plan is. . .to destroy the current system through overleveraging and artificial inflation. They’re first step is to divide the people by controlling the top (powerful elite)while creating civil unrest (calling for a revelution) from the poor to squeeze out the middle class. Do some research before you start bashing the “rich”. The rich (generally small business owners) have created the most prosperous economic system in the history of the world. Think a bit and do some research before you hop fully on board the “social express.” History has provided ample evidence as to where that road leads.
LOL!
you seem like a very independent thinker. cough sarcasm cough. Citing an abscure and obviously biased website as your own rebuttal is meaningless. The facts are simple: Whether Obama is a socialist or not doesn’t matter considering he’s completely SURROUNDED himself with socialists who repeatedly and ON THE RECORD express their disdain for America and the founding principles that created it, even going so far as to express their agenda to destroy the current system. Look it all up man? (And not on your little cite).
i mentioned it briefly
“They could engineer financial assets from the loans and sell them.”
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by Weedsuplement on Jan 3, 2011 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
It may be non-biased...
But you leave the impression that it was Clinton’s fault, when it was the banks themselves that lobbied for those changes. Do you think that they had good intentions or something? Typical, blame the one who gave you to much slack in the leash.
Please read the whole thread
“u guys in the banking sector fucked everybody over
the tarp bailout cost everybody 2000+ dollars. It was completley the big 4’s fault." -weedsuplement
i blame the banks. Bill clinton was an idiot thought to allow banks to merge with other financial institues.
haha charade you are....
by Weedsuplement on Jan 4, 2011 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
where in the hell did that come from lol
With the win over the legend Matt Hughes the gates are slowly being greased. Soon it will be time to open the Shit gates once again.
lol i realized i was out of my league in all this american politics shit
no more msnbc for this guy
"Your fucking out!!"- Kenny Powers
"MMM, sticky female bumholes"
LMAO nobody cares about the queen in Canada
NOBODY
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by Weedsuplement on Jan 3, 2011 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
+1
were to busy building igloos and all that other shit
"Your fucking out!!"- Kenny Powers
"MMM, sticky female bumholes"
im canadian douchebag
go lick suck on your moms meat curtains
"Your fucking out!!"- Kenny Powers
"MMM, sticky female bumholes"
Whoah. ???
A little over reaction , eh? Didn’t catch your sarcasm. Grab a titty mag and take your left girlfriend into the bathroom and work off that extra energy.
Boehner cries at the drop of a hat.
If you tell him you"re impressed with his golf game. Seriously… no joke… look it up.
i was kidding
the guys the slimiest fuck out there
"Your fucking out!!"- Kenny Powers
"MMM, sticky female bumholes"
I look for political advice from mma fighters
Like I look for tax advice from mma fighters.
"in this day and age of "let's erect a statue"-isn't it time Jerry Reinsdorf is honored" - The Swirsk
you are easily controlled when you are split against each other
If you refer to your self as rethug or democunt you are a weak minded fool. They are the same party. To control more people than myself, I need to get them divided amongst themselves, then the power that they have is diminished and I, the short number am in control
think about it
Wrap your head around this.
The republican party has an agenda that’s akin to ensuring that companies and corporations have the same rights as an individual American and that the government should be run like a board of directors. Now that being true to a degree, that same republican party cries foul when the individual American wants to be represented like a corporation and form unions and/or co/ops similar to the complex cooperative business structures of some major corporations ie. banks, oil and gas. As a non American, I have no right to cast judgement for the United States most common political philosophies, however it seems to me, as plain as day, that neither of the federal political parties represent the people’s interest’s anymore. They represent economic and corporate interest’s, believing that is in the people’s interest. However, in my humble opinion, and this may seem Machiavellian, the interest’s of the people need to be held in tantamount with economic and corporate interest’s and not be taken out of the equation with the hope that meeting corporate and economic interest’s will work in the interest of the people. Make sense?
this was very well said, I have to give you kudos
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by Weedsuplement on Jan 3, 2011 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
Y the fuck wud any1 want more government in our country?
Dragged you down below
Down to the devils show
To be his guest forever
Peace of mind is less than never
Hate to twist your mind
But God ain't on your side
An old acquaintance severed
Burn the world your last endeavor
by d*locc on Jan 2, 2011 4:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
More government vs more power for the top 2%(and shrinking) of your country.
It’s a tough choice, but at least the elected government is accountable to you.
Obama has done some things right.. Not saying he's been perfect but he isn't as bad as most make him out to be.
Before parents could only keep kids on their insurance till they were 18, now they can keep them on till their 26.. And they will be accepting people with pre existing injuries, before they didn’t.. So the surgery ive needed on my neck and shoulder for the last 5 yrs will finally get done in the next couple months!! That is life changing for me!
Signed order to close Guantanamo Bay
Ended previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings
They did get rid of don’t ask don’’t tell (i dont care what you think that was the right thing to do!)
And lots of other lil things that just make sense but dont get much media coverage. Specially if you watch FOX news! Seriously people STOP watching FOX news!!
A new study concludes Fox News viewers are much more likely than others to believe false information about American politics
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Fail
and how was Guantanamo Bay closing good again?
You are probably one of those tards that watches msnbc
If you dont like drugs then dont do them.....give them to me!
by Khaos_Warrior on Jan 2, 2011 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Issues
There are definitely parts to the health care law that make sense. The part with the children, denial of coverage, pre-existing conditions, etc.
Guantanamo Bay is not closed and won’t be for a while. No one wants the prisoners and there is no where to put them. He has been BEGGING for countries to take them in and no one wants any part of it.
Don’t ask don’t tell should have been repealed, and it was, albeit it was a bi partisan effort that included major help from the Log Cabin Republicans if memory serves. Regardless, it got done.
Instead of worrying about Fox News or Msnbc, I suggest just focusing on the facts and ignoring the spin any of the networks put on the facts. I could post an ap article that was linked on Fox new or msnbc and half the people would rip on it because it had a fox news link, and the other half would rip on it because it had an msnbc link. The reality is it could be the same damn ap article that neither network provided, but no one took the time to read the little part that says “ap”. Focus on the facts.
Don't Waste Your Time
… bickering about things such as these in this life. If as many people cared about God’s word as much as they do politics, everyone would realize how useless politics are.
Shogun's knee will explode for the final time when Rashad shoots for the takedown.
by G Squat on Jan 2, 2011 5:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Gods word and politics are very similiar... Both groups leaders use lies to control the people
More god will not help us… We need to start making decisions on rational thinking, not bronze age fairytales
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Agreed.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Jan 2, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
"God" help the person...
that isn’t obvious to. lol
haha half the US are blindly religious (unfortunatley)
haha charade you are....
by Weedsuplement on Jan 3, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry but those. .
bronze age fairytales offer the only RATIONAL reasons to not only the what’s and how’s of life but the why’s. I respect your opinion, but it is short sighted to deny that when people have loved God and kept His commandments have not been peaceful and prosperous civilizations. I’m sick of people saying crap like this and a rebuttal is considered ignorant or old fashioned. The truth is, that we need MORE God and less selfish and greedy people woshipping themselves.
Think about it, would we even be debating the corruption of the government if each representative held him or herself accountable to the 10 commandments?
i am an everyday avid mania reader for prolly a couple years…an the bashing God gets here is absolutely rediculous…for someone to have faith in God shouldnt be made fun of( like vitor) but admired. even if u dnt believe in God (youll see how hot hell is) why make light of something so serious to millions of people? an religion would help America…my man above says it best…if they held themselves to the 10 commandents wouldnt we all be better off?
by blakc_guy on Jan 5, 2011 7:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Most of the time. Haha!
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Jan 2, 2011 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
you heard wrong
it’s mostly t&a and everyonce in a while fight talk takes place.
Explain..
Volkmann’s business is directly affected by the contents of the healthcare Bill. Sounds like you are reaching to discredit him because his views contradict your own?
Not really. In fact, I find it highly porbable that the HC bill as it was finally passed (after it got butchered via negotiations with HC providers) may not bode all that well for his business. Health insurers as I understand it aren’t crazy about providing coverage for chiropractors and the bill is more geared towards necessary medical procedures. It’s too bad Republicans and/or that handful of sellout Democrats couldn’t just agree to the original bill.
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