UFC 129: If Lyoto Machida defeats Randy Couture will he become a legend?
by Ponch-Hoe on Jan 12, 2011 10:27 PM EST
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"This is going to be great for Lyoto. To become a legend, you've got to defeat a legend. And Couture is one for sure. I know Lyoto will get there a day and this bout is very important for this. It'll be a big honor for us to match against Randy. It's a step to be given by Lyoto to become a legend and I am sure this is going to happen."
Lyoto Machida's manager Ed Soares seems to think that if his fighter can defeat the legendary Randy Couture he will effectively get the rub that one would think would go with such an achievement. However, there are many that fall on the other side of the fence. Some say "The Natural" has overstayed his welcome in the UFC, and if the Brazilian were to defeat him, it wouldn't say much for the former light heavyweight champion. The Karate master has fallen on hard times as of late, what with losing his belt to "Shogun" Rua before ending up on the wrong end of a split decision against "Rampage" Jackson. Is "Captain America" just the prey "The Dragon" needs? And if Machida wins, are you ready to anoint him as a legend in MMA? Thoughts, Maniacs, if you don't mind.
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This will b interesting bcause if Machida loses what happens then bcause it will b 3losses in a row…actually 4 bcause he lost to shogun in there 1st fight
by phatmacjuggalo10 on Jan 12, 2011 4:54 PM EST reply actions
He won the 1st fight and don’t kno kinda interesting on both sides if Randy wins would they give him rua if machida loses would they cut him
There's no "I" in team but there is a "u" in cunt!!!
by malito3og3 on Jan 12, 2011 4:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I dont think they will cut him if he loses. Theyll give him one more shot. The Rampage loss was controversial, so theyll keep that in mind. But I dont think they would cut a recent champion that quickly.
They let guys like Vera and jardine stick around longer then they should have. But Im sure machida would get another one
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."
i don't think anyone gets cut after fighting Randy
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by PSYQO78 on Jan 13, 2011 10:17 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
None of the last 6
people Randy beat are in the UFC any more.
There has to be a new nickname for Randy.
He is not a gatekeeper but a organization keeper. Randy the Personnel Department Couture. Randy…The Consultant…Cooooooouuuuuuuture!
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by fenderacoustic (formerly wAyNe) on Jan 13, 2011 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Lyoto could stay around forever.
they do however need to let him step down in competition drastically if he loses here so he can save his ass by beating some other losers, if he’d happen to lose there its over and that’s how the process should be for all fighters.
"never as bad as they appear during their lowest points, never as good as they seem during their highest ones. the very best then must be not just talented but resilient, not just hungry but focused. their sport demands it."
He lost to the current LHW cahmpion in Shogun. He then lost a very debateable decision to Rampage in which nothing happened the 1st 2 RDS before Machida kicked Page's ass in the last RD. All this talk of being cut is completely ridiculous.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
TRUTH
JB JB JB JB!! (For all the bass ackwards BJ Penn fans that actually think he will not get blanketed by Fitch.)
Agree OJR
I personally think he beat Rampage. However, i wasn’t completely upset with the decision the first two rounds could of gone either way.
Machida is still top 3 in my opinion. I don’t see Rampage taking a rematch and I dont see anyone outside of Shogun beating him. (And as much as I love Shogun I think if he played conservative he could beat him).
He's going to win, but even if he loses i the 1st
he won’t get cut.
Ill keep track myself.
For 125 i would have went 4/7
I stand at 91 in my lone man wolf pack pool
by *Californication* on Jan 12, 2011 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Can you imagine how fast Strikeforce would sign Machida?
Coker would throw in blowies from the ring girls in order to make that happen.
I read that as "bowels"
the first time thru (seriously).
But yes, we’d be seeing Machida/Hendo as soon as the girls cleaned up.
Ill keep track myself.
For 125 i would have went 4/7
I stand at 91 in my lone man wolf pack pool
by *Californication* on Jan 12, 2011 8:21 PM EST up reply actions
And a Loyoto/ mousasi fight
There's no "I" in team but there is a "u" in cunt!!!
by malito3og3 on Jan 12, 2011 11:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
coker would have the ring girls pee on lyoto if that's what it takes
but he wouldn’t fight feijao being blackhouse and all. He could kick the living piss out of mo and gegard, though
True Striker
And we know SF needs him
With the win over the legend Matt Hughes the gates are slowly being greased. Soon it will be time to open the Shit gates once again.
Difference
There’s a difference between losing because you aren’t good and need to be cut and losing because your going against really hard opponents. Plus his Rua and Rampage fights were both main events, and one was a title fight! No way they would cut him…
I’m pretty sure Randy has this fight, and he will get a shot at Rua, but it will be interesting to watch.
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by Spencer Barringer on Jan 12, 2011 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
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No chance he will lose
Randy is a king but lyoto will ko him
Sadly, if Randy gets a grip he can cage hump him to a decision.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
I hope so.
He didn’t look all that elusive in his past two fights, but the last thing we need is for Randy to win and give the UFC an excuse to keep forcing him on us.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Randy has slowed down a ton and Lyoto is pretty quick. It is POSSIBLE that Randy can win this with his wrestling, but each round starts standing and if Lyoto gets desperate, he can be dangerous as we saw in his 3rd round with Rampage. Randy probably wouldn’t have survived what Lyoto dished out to Rampage.
My fingers are crossed that you are right :)
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Lyoto is quick?
Are you kidding me? Since the first Shogun fight, he is not the fighter that he was prior to that fight. He was as slow as a helmet-sporting trisonomy kid riding a bike with training wheels in his fight against Rampage.
"I knew i ‘urt ‘im, when he said aarg" – GSP
by hairybumcrack on Jan 13, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t argue with your opinion of what you saw, but you need some degree of speed to be as elusive as Lyoto Machida. And if you think that he isn’t quicker than a 47 (48?) yr old Randy Couture, your opinion is ludicrous.
Oh Randy is slower
Much slower, my comment was referring to how one perceives Lyoto as being quick. Quick and elusive are two different things. Quick = GSP. Elusive = Starnes.
"I knew i ‘urt ‘im, when he said aarg" – GSP
by hairybumcrack on Jan 14, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
He already beat Ortiz (;
Ill keep track myself.
For 125 i would have went 4/7
I stand at 91 in my lone man wolf pack pool
by *Californication* on Jan 12, 2011 5:05 PM EST reply actions
I was gonna say "why are you fighting couture then?"
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 12, 2011 5:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Oh you bastard!
Ill keep track myself.
For 125 i would have went 4/7
I stand at 91 in my lone man wolf pack pool
by *Californication* on Jan 12, 2011 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
Damnit NNR!
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 12, 2011 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
They’re returning the favor for all our HWs who want to make their name by kicking Nog’s tired and confused ass.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
At least these HWs are trying to make their name off of a real legend;)
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 13, 2011 9:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
yes absolutely correct john.
the only time couture had a positive record was 10 yrs ago. I could mention it a thousand times, couture has a negative record from ‘02 to ’09 and if i’m not mistaken those were the yrs where all this crap about him being a legend came up, fact is he was never the man at hw or at lhw, or he was at hw 10 yrs ago when he actually won and cleaned out pretty good in the UFC only to fly to japan to get subbed by valentijn and mikhal illhoukine.
"never as bad as they appear during their lowest points, never as good as they seem during their highest ones. the very best then must be not just talented but resilient, not just hungry but focused. their sport demands it."
what are you talking about?
If you’re saying that a “positive” record is over .500, Couture has ALWAYS had a positive record. He’s never slipped below .615. I don’t understand your post.
Randy is equal parts good MMA'ist, charismatic and the product of a UFC hype machine.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
That marketing machine must have made it's way into other professional fighters opinions too
Seeing how all the top guys also point to Randy as a legend.
BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ!
Of course they would - you have to respect him for his accomplishments. That does not take away from the fact that his massive hype has led to multiple title shots with fat PPV cash grabs.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
and he always comes with great game plans
you have to admire the man for that. Even if he can’t always impose his will the bastard does know how to avoid taking major damage
certainly has led to him getting title shots faster than others
but the man performs. How anyone can say a man that held belts in two divisions of one of, if not the best combat sports promotions on the planet is overrated just makes me lose my mind a bit.
BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ! BJ!
I'm talking about his record at the time, he did switch divisions at many times and the reason being he couldn't cut it. facts back it up.
"never as bad as they appear during their lowest points, never as good as they seem during their highest ones. the very best then must be not just talented but resilient, not just hungry but focused. their sport demands it."
counting from 2002-2009 his "days of glory" in the ufc. when in reality his time was before that.
"never as bad as they appear during their lowest points, never as good as they seem during their highest ones. the very best then must be not just talented but resilient, not just hungry but focused. their sport demands it."
Agreed, Rob. Our arguments will be a hard sell to those who have been ensnared by the intelligent UFC hype machine.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
lol, most def. but i'm all about good parenting to these "kids".
"never as bad as they appear during their lowest points, never as good as they seem during their highest ones. the very best then must be not just talented but resilient, not just hungry but focused. their sport demands it."
hold the phone
just because i said “gotcha” doesn’t mean i agree with anything you said. and don’t assume i’m some newb or that i’ve bought into the UFC hype, because both assumptions are wrong. i just dismissed you because it’s not worth arguing about. you have your opinion, and i respect it, but i don’t agree with it.
by Adam Wagner on Jan 13, 2011 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
that's were you're wrong adam.
I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be. the UFC is trying to make it out to be a popularity contest, which is why they let the fans play a big part and how in the world do you think fans can support something they don’t get to see because the UFC decides to put a censor in and cut out fighters and fuck using a system.
how about just crowning the seattle seahawks the super bowl/nfl champs! they must be since they beat the saints.
"never as bad as they appear during their lowest points, never as good as they seem during their highest ones. the very best then must be not just talented but resilient, not just hungry but focused. their sport demands it."
if u would learn to read.
"never as bad as they appear during their lowest points, never as good as they seem during their highest ones. the very best then must be not just talented but resilient, not just hungry but focused. their sport demands it."
I can read just fine
Your comment made my day, so much so, it is in my signature.
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
The fact that you don't see the ridiculousness of that statement is absolutely hilarious to me
I will post it again, and it is below in my sig for you too see again.
I never post my opinions on here. – Roberto
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
awesome buddy. if i do then all i have to say is my opinion is use the facts, its the most accurate alternative.
"never as bad as they appear during their lowest points, never as good as they seem during their highest ones. the very best then must be not just talented but resilient, not just hungry but focused. their sport demands it."
So, you truly believe that this post (from earlier today)
Is a fact?
If he was still in the UFC competing against the nelson’s, struve’s, rothwell’s , cro cop’s, randy’s he’d still easily be around the 4-5th best in the UFC and also most likely a top 10 overall.
This is a fact? There are no other possible alternatives?
This is one example from today, of you, Roberto, posting opinions.
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
yes great.
if it becomes a discussion i’m not stupid enough to argue against someone who has another opinion.
"never as bad as they appear during their lowest points, never as good as they seem during their highest ones. the very best then must be not just talented but resilient, not just hungry but focused. their sport demands it."
What?
So, it is your opinion, or it is a fact?
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
not stupid enough to argue with someone with a different opinion?
You are dropping gold today buddy.
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
in a discussion/argument that is.
clearly i wasn’t when i dropped one of the 1st comments and opened up the arlovski thread.
a fighter’s career is always determined by results/record/facts on paper. no matter how popular or what subjective fans will tell you.
"never as bad as they appear during their lowest points, never as good as they seem during their highest ones. the very best then must be not just talented but resilient, not just hungry but focused. their sport demands it."
maybe i should write in swedish for me to understand better.
"never as bad as they appear during their lowest points, never as good as they seem during their highest ones. the very best then must be not just talented but resilient, not just hungry but focused. their sport demands it."
Agreed, Rob.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
yup. have a nice day deuce.
feel like i’ve dropped enough of the good stuff.
"never as bad as they appear during their lowest points, never as good as they seem during their highest ones. the very best then must be not just talented but resilient, not just hungry but focused. their sport demands it."
you certainly have
Gold, as I said before.
"I never post my opinions on here. I bring facts that are official as can be." <-- How Maniacs all feel about their posts.
6-7 from '02 to '09. that's a fact and is not good however u wanna turn it.
are all celebrities in the world the best at something? no. do fans support them, yes.
"never as bad as they appear during their lowest points, never as good as they seem during their highest ones. the very best then must be not just talented but resilient, not just hungry but focused. their sport demands it."
You and John G. are out of your minds. Wow.
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 13, 2011 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
good joke bud.
"never as bad as they appear during their lowest points, never as good as they seem during their highest ones. the very best then must be not just talented but resilient, not just hungry but focused. their sport demands it."
i sense some poison in this wine^
The only place that success comes before work is in the dictionary.
by Andrew Keller on Jan 13, 2011 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
No. He is right. Randy + well spoken personality + charisma + popularity + very good MMA skills + UFC hype machine = Legend status in alot of people's minds. That's fine. No problem.
I would rather take this :
Fedor + excellent MMA skills + superior record + length of dominance = Legend.
No hype needed as Captain Russia or any of that marketing nonsense.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Randy is a legend amongst hardcore fans based on his fight resume
Fedor is a legend amongs hardcore fans based on his fight resume.
Randy is a legend to the average fan because of the “UFC hype machine” you have been speaking of.
Fedor is unknown to the average MMA fan.
The “hype machine” really only affected his status to those not well educated enough to see through it. but it doesnt change the fact that he is considered a legend among hardcore fans for completely different reasons.
you picking up what im putting down? or did i lose you? lol i dunno if i explained my opinion clearly here.
The only place that success comes before work is in the dictionary.
by Andrew Keller on Jan 13, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
didn
I would personally put Randy more into the “cult” category.
"never as bad as they appear during their lowest points, never as good as they seem during their highest ones. the very best then must be not just talented but resilient, not just hungry but focused. their sport demands it."
oops, supposed to say didn't lose me**
"never as bad as they appear during their lowest points, never as good as they seem during their highest ones. the very best then must be not just talented but resilient, not just hungry but focused. their sport demands it."
Kind of. I just feel that vs. Randy's toughest opponents - he has not had any consistent success whereas Fedor has dominated for the most part. To me, that is a HUGE difference in the so called Legend label. I am not degrading Randy's career -
it just does not fulfill the status of Legend, IMO.
It falls short.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
If you don't think there's a system...
…then i don’t know what sport you’re watching.
Yes, some guys get title shots before they necessarily deserve them for a variety of reasons:
1. Injuries to other worthy competitors
2. Marketability
3. Contract disputes, etc.
But that doesn’t mean there’s not a system in determining who gets a title shot. Yes, Dana and Joe insert their opinion into the system, but c’mon! that’s their job. they’re the ones putting on the party, they get a say in who gets to be the DJ. we covered that in Business 101.
If Yushin Okami wants to bitch about the fact that he “deserved” a title shot 2 years ago, then maybe he shouldn’t be the most boring MW on the planet. maybe that would have sped up the process of his title shot just a bit.
If Vitor Belfort gets fast-tracked to a title shot, then maybe it’s because A.Silva has already crushed every other MW under UFC contract, or every other worthy contender not injured, or even every other MW we care to see face Silva.
there are a million other examples, but you get the point. You sound like you think the fans should get the only say in who fights for the belt. That’s as ridiculous a notion as people holding out hope for a UFC/M-1 cross promotion.
by Adam Wagner on Jan 13, 2011 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
I just said completely otherwise about the fans thing,.
do you know what a system is? it’s the same as fucking auto-pilot. it’s the same as how your computer works, no opinions, you as an athlete decide how far you go in the competition, no popularity contest and no nothing, wins-losses, the best performers fight the best.
edgar-maynard, jds-cain right now are the legit examples of fighters who have to win a ridiculous amount of fights to prove themselves better than guys just sitting at the “top” barely winning more then they lose.
"never as bad as they appear during their lowest points, never as good as they seem during their highest ones. the very best then must be not just talented but resilient, not just hungry but focused. their sport demands it."
hey lyoto
even a parrot can talk
and god said to abraham "you must get melvin manhoef to deal with these bitches"
by theoregonduck on Jan 12, 2011 5:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
i think i'm going to rec you for every time you use that from now on
"he's not the first cheater i've dealt with" - chael sonnen
by sir.tickleberry on Jan 12, 2011 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
It would be nice to beat a legend who isn't 80
by goldmouth on Jan 12, 2011 5:09 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Are there legends left at LHW anymore?
Like true legit ones not the overused meaningless version of the word used to describe every guy who has fought for a while. Chucky is gone so that leaves who?
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 12, 2011 5:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rampage would be the closest thing. But I would say when its all over and done with Rua will also be a legend.
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 12, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
Oy!
I wouldn’t call Rampage a legend and I don’t see him becoming one…Rua, yes
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Rampage is definately a legend in Japanese MMA. His wins over Igor and Arona are legendary. But I wouldnt call him a MMA legend I just said he was close. But if Page isnt yet neither is Rua.
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 13, 2011 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
I consider Shogun a legend, hes beaten alot of the greats.
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."
I was thinking Rua
But he’s still young and I think has some more great fights left. Future legend ,for sure.
Yep for sure, hopefully his knees dont keep crapping out on him
"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."
Beat me to it. Should have kept reading.
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 12, 2011 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
"So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself."
by AintNoSunshine on Jan 12, 2011 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
to be the man, you gotta beat the man
wooooooooooo
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
crazy owl sex ensues
Is that..
Kurt Angle (sp) or Frank Trigg?
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I have a feeling this fight is going 2 be a lot Randy vs. Vera.
Unless lyoto can put Randy Away which won’t be easy.
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by d*locc on Jan 12, 2011 10:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i think it'll be very easy for machida
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by sir.tickleberry on Jan 12, 2011 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Your comparing machida's technique to vera's?
No wonder you think wandy can still fight, your an absolute moron.
Gayru is still pussy hurt chuck got knocked out by rich fuckin ace Franklin =D
Dipshit loser. Eric cartman jr.
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by d*locc on Jan 12, 2011 11:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Your pussy hurt chuck beat wandy ass all night
Even after he was washed up
Chuck beat wandys ass all night =D
Wow he beat up washed up Wand that got paid off by Dana white congrats queerboy U really know yur shit. Wand still kicking ass chuck can’t even blow his nose without knocking himself out. Wand had twice as many fights as chuck had an fought @ HW also. So eat that bitch. Ufc cocksucker.
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by d*locc on Jan 13, 2011 1:45 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lol paid off by dana
Keep resorting to that pathetic excuse moron, no wonder your such a fan of the fighter with the worst record in ufc history.
vera's standup technique is actually solid. the man is just too weak these days at lhw.
Machida is pretty strong and has good trips i wouldn’t be surprised to see him dominate Randy in the grappling kinda like Nog did.
"never as bad as they appear during their lowest points, never as good as they seem during their highest ones. the very best then must be not just talented but resilient, not just hungry but focused. their sport demands it."
I hear ya
But the real diffrence in Vera and Machida is that IF Randy can get a hold of Machida, Machida has a lot of foot sweeps (karate) and unusual sumo stuff to gain a better position or move the fight to the Matt.
I mean the real diffrence other then the obvious Machida is much better then Vera
i think randy is good but he hasn't got the chin to hold up with machida's brutal combos
the last one he put in rashad was a thing of beauty and the one in the third against rampage was simply awesome.
no shame in losing to the dragon
he's lacking quickness in the standup, not fast or slick enough to slip the punches.
and machida ain’t really a boxer at all, the 2 moves he uses all the time is to step in with a left knee to the body as his opponent comes forward and the same story with his left hand.
"never as bad as they appear during their lowest points, never as good as they seem during their highest ones. the very best then must be not just talented but resilient, not just hungry but focused. their sport demands it."
and he lands it every fucking time
that should tell us a thing or two about machida’s efectiveness
i don’t think he lacks quickness, he’s just gun shy after what shogun did to him for being the aggresor. When he was able to shake the fear off we all saw what the did to rampage (and i’m a rampage fan), i’m praying this time he goes guns blazzing in the first
sry, i meant randy was lacking quickness now being 47-48. shoulda said his name.
"never as bad as they appear during their lowest points, never as good as they seem during their highest ones. the very best then must be not just talented but resilient, not just hungry but focused. their sport demands it."
Vera stand up is strong
Name a fight in the last 3 years you have seen that
Hey gayru have U ever been on mania when u weren't on yur period u fuckin bitch!
It’s not manias fault U still live with yur mom & yur dad left U when he found out U were a fag. Tuf newb.
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by d*locc on Jan 13, 2011 1:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Faggot go suck on wandy's dick
Maybe that will shut you up.
Regardless of the result, Machida will never be any sort of legend except in Rogan's false prophecy
"counting cards is a fool proof system"'It's also illegal''It's not illegal it's frowned upon, like masturbating on an airplane''I'm pretty sure that's illegal too''yeah maybe after 911 where everybody got so sensitive; thanks a lot binladen'".
Would that make Keith Jardine a legend
since he beat Chuck Liddell???
by Sammy Noodleman on Jan 13, 2011 12:30 AM EST reply actions
Randy will get a title shot after he wins
this is gonna be Machidas 4th loss in a row! yes the first Shogun fight was a loss! The dude hasnt looked effective since UFC 98. look for Randy to do the Randy to him. dirty box up against the fence, where him out, and either a decision or 2nd round TKO. the only way Machida wins is he catches him for a first round KO, which is unlikely.
This is a easy fight for captain payyyyycheck!
I don’t see how people can even pick piss drinker in this one. Piss guzzler got manhandled by page, destroyed by sho in second fight, he was given the W in the first fight just cause the belt kept switching an they wanted piss pool to keep belt for one more fight. Paycheck takes this 10 out of 10 if anyone is smart put your paycheck on paycheck smartest bet out there.
by IdontREADthreads-THREADSreadME! on Jan 13, 2011 1:11 AM EST via mobile reply actions
He's not a legend yet and he won't get cut.
He’s fighting the very top guys now and as a recent former champion, he’ll get a little latitude so the 3 losses in a row won’t apply to him. With that said, I think Machida finishes Randy. Hoping for a good fight.
beating couture means absolutely nothing
most overrated fighter of all time with the record to prove it, and his record should actually be worse than it is if it werent for some blind judges and padding
by Lester The Pimp on Jan 13, 2011 7:47 AM EST reply actions
Randy is one of the greatest ever..no doubt.
But he is almost 50 years old…and fighting part time now…
Machida is the front runner in my opinion to get the belt back
the decision loss to Rampage is a blip – he just needs to get more aggressive
He has a recent win over the champ, albeit contested, a loss to the champ, then a close loss to a former champ. He has two losses.
He wins the fight with Couture, then I expect he gets a fight with the loser of Bader/Jones -win that fight and he will be up for a title shot.
I expect Rashad beats Rua, style wise I don’t like that fight for Shogun – Rampage if he beats SIlva, is the ideal next opponent either way, rematch with Shogun or Rashad, among those stars is a major sell – whoever is the champ then, if they fight Machida, I won’t be surprised – I don’t think Rashad can beat Machida
randy has a tonne of losses. his record is nothing special.
If all you gotta do is defeat him, the Vera was awful close to Legend status
Bazinga!
by Newfie3 on Jan 13, 2011 9:20 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Holy shit.
I can’t believe I made it to the bottom of the comments w/o seeing one “Fuck Ed Soares” or “Fuck Team Black House”. People are off their game today.
I'm your huckleberry.
I don't like the whole
to be a legend you have to defeat a legend. What is a legend, anyway? Quite honestly, 99% of the time it’s someone who, if they are fighting still, shouldn’t be. A legend implies old age, been around, been in the game for a while. Beating these guys I don’t think does much for anyone’s status. These new guys can become legends on their own… they don’t have to beat up a should-be retired fighter to get there.
Thank you!!!!
IMO, if there was a true HOF in MMA these are the only ones who belong in it – Fedor, Nog, Hughes and Chucky. True, legit and Enduring. And only upon retirement. Once they retire you then get Fedor and Nog. Then you get A Silva, GSP and Shogun down the line. Everyone else = sorry but no.
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 13, 2011 9:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No Wand?
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Wand I am still debating along with Saku.
There’s a like extremely close but no cigar field of the Rampages, Hendos, and etc of the world i imagine that will make fans mad. But Gotta be strict in order to avoid the pitfall of including a ton of guys simply because they were very much liked or are trapped in a win-lose triangle with other greats.
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 13, 2011 11:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I understand but I would include Wand based on dominance and quality of opposition. He meets the criteria.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
agreed
Wand must be included.
Ill keep track myself.
For 125 i would have went 4/7
I stand at 91 in my lone man wolf pack pool
by *Californication* on Jan 13, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, that's a strict HOF
That’s like putting only Jordan, Magic, and Bird in the basketball Hall-of-Fame. I don’t like these guys, but BJ and Tito deserve to be in the HOF too. And MMA didn’t start with the UFC/Pride. Guys like Bas and the Shamrocks need to be in it for what they did in Pancrase and the UFC.
by Patrick Daryl on Jan 13, 2011 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
you might want to add sakuraba to that list
he wasn’t supossed to win most of his fights (he almost didn’t yeah) but he beat a bunch of gracies, a bunch of lion’s den and even beat rampage, vitor and randleman
Nope.....
Those guys are like pioneers. In those days it wasn’t even real MMA as we know it today. The sport was still coming together and though i dont think it’s best described by this word – experimental. And trust me no one is a bigger fan of the old vale tudo days of Rei Zulu to the ebenezer bragas, the kevin jacksons and igor vovchanchyns, all the gracies and so many more unnamed. There are a dozens upon dozens of names that contributed, changed and evolved the sport but as far as MMA legends, only the ones i named can be considered truly supreme and nearly peerless amongst other great and elite fighters.
BIG NOG for Life
One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 13, 2011 10:57 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Pioneers are Hall-of-Famers in every other sport
HOF’s have never been just about statistics. Historical and social/cultural impact are taken into account as well. There’s no doubt that the select fighters in your list are peerless, but they are not exclusive to the Hall-of-Fame. And speaking of pioneers, I have to give a shout-out to Jose Pele as well.
by Patrick Daryl on Jan 13, 2011 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
That is true of Hall of Famers in other sports but
my simple thought is that though people should be remembered, not everyone gets to be a legend which is synonymous to HOF.. Otherwise the word becomes meaningless. Though i’ll admit excluding Pioneers is a tricky and hard thing.
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One Step closer to Gleison Tibau @ 145
If the round is too close, it's 10-10, NOT flip a coin 10-9 or late takedown FTW.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Jan 13, 2011 11:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
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