UFC 121: Cain Velasquez 'not worried' about Brock Lesnar's sneaky submissions (Video)
by Jesse Holland on Sep 9, 2010 10:56 AM EDT
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Good for Brock on expanding his game...
But lets call a spade a spade, carwin was so gassed at that point I could have submitted him. Cain has nothing to fear in the submission department
agreed...
Submitting Carwin in that state was one step up from slapping a choke on a CPR dummy. Brock in no way poses a submission threat to Cain.
Cain by TKO in round 4.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
How come?
I agree that Brock isn’t a slick submission expert, but why do you think he couldn’t slap that same sub on Cain? Cain is small and will wilt under the weight of Brock.
hahaha
you kill me jay. Carwin was so dead that he was flat on his back not moving. It’s not hard to armtriangle someone who doesn’t fight it back and raises his arm waiting to tap. Cain won the BJJ worlds way back when he was a blue belt – i doubt Brock is good enough to even get somewhat of a sub attempt on him. Brocks’ size doesn’t mean shit – brock couldn’t control or hold down a 220 lbs 46yr old man for chris sake.
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 9, 2010 11:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
is cain's jits really that good?
why doesn’t he go for subs more often then?
"You'd best put seatbelts on your ears, Roy, cause I'm gonna take them for the ride of their lives."
Randy's wrestling is light years ahead of Cain V.
Cain is so over rated its funny. He’s not talented enough to make up the 30 pound weight difference, few people are.
as much as I hate to say it, I agree.
If Cain’s stand up was better, I would have giving him a chance at beating Brock.
Facebook is for gays!
Cains stand up is dangerous. His technique is better then Carwins but he lacks all that power but still Brock doesnt want to make this a kickboxing match.
Agree
He has better technique than Brock or Shane, but he doesn’t have the power either of them have.
Cain makes up for his lack of power,
with his hand speed, and although not having Carwins power he will be able to connect that many times that it will not matter.
Cain's stand up is dangerous....TO OTHER FIGHTERS NOT NAMED BROCK.
But unfortunately for him, his opponent IS Named Brock.
If you watch the Carwin fight, the Randy fight and the second Mir fight… Brock leaves openings to be hit. Can Cain exploit it? Thats what we will find out.
I agree. His stand up is horrible. He looked really uncomfortable standing with Shane.
But these holes all close quickly when the fight hits the ground.
If Brock isn’t able to take Cain down (or anyone for that matter) he’s in trouble. I’m banking on the fact that Cain won’t be strong enough to stop the size advantage Brock will have on him.
I’m not a stats guy, but Cain looks about the same sixe as Randy. Randy has better wrestling than Cain and HE couldn’t stop the size of Brock.
If Brock isn't able to take someone who is less than Half the size and wrestling ability of Shane...
…then you have to wonder if Brock is injured or something. ‘cause otherwise, I just don’t see how Cain successfully defends Brock’s takedown attempts unless he pulls an anderson silva special and starts running around the octagon staying away from him….
Dude...Brock has gotten hit by the other fighters he's faced but the fact always comes down to this one simple Cold Fact :
No one(not even Cain) has Shane Carwin’s Fists.
I think Brock will catch a few number of shots from Cain going in but will shrug them off like you would a fly buzzing around your face and take Cain down EASILY.
He will then pound the living crap out of him and call it a night. THE END.
One flush shot from Cain can put him down, he wont get inside easily. If Brock is lazy and doesnt set up his takedowns he will get caught. If he has worked hard on his stand up he will set up his double leg.
Evo, Brock isn't stupid. He continuously hires the BEST Coaches appropriate to each fight.
But let’s be serious here….Brock took a freakin’ hail-mary KNEE TO THE FACE by Mir and it only wobbled him for a second….Cain’s fist = to less than Mir’s knee.
i heard your the man with a great sig bet win percentage? so do i.
just won one with utah over pitt. last mma one was hathaway vs sanchez. plus many of rashads fighs. i do more college football ones. you like cain soo much back it up. i got lesnar you take mr velasquez. should be easy one to win since you think lesnar has just gotten lucky. lesnar beatdown couture with hammerfists as he was curling in the fetal position. lol. the gauntlet has been thrown. do you accept?
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Sep 9, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Brock is going to crush Cain. I swear you guys are acting like newb fanboys.
Brock will hold Cain down, and GnP the crap out of him for the win. I personally hope Brock catches him in a front naked choke…….. and cranks his neck so hard Cain sees his “brown pride” tattoo right before he taps. A lot of subs are slapped on when an opponent is tired or rocked and I could see Brock doing the same to Cain.
The bottom line is that Cain doesn’t have the power or size to beat Brock.
by Conan the Barbarian on Sep 9, 2010 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
front naked choke?
Haven’t heard of that one…what’s it look like?
Activia; now with bullshitifus ridicularus
by salamagogo on Sep 9, 2010 1:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
See Hughes/Almeida for a variation...no joke, but Hughes called it something different.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
There are several "front naked chokes!"
The best one is from full guard! And noone ever expects it!
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by Danas A Crossdresser on Sep 9, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
You're dumb. Matt Hughes/Almeida fight ring a bell, dumbass?
THAT was a Front naked choke or you can call it a Front facelock/choke…
Brock can and will do that if Brown Turd tries to bullrush him for a takedown attempt..
That is funny.
‘Newb fanboys’ would also describe the influx of WWE watching Brockhuggers that hang around this site nowadays.
by K S on Sep 9, 2010 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
ummm
don’t you mean arm triangle…
Now if ya heart was as big as ya mouth you'd be real, but its not so I know if you get knocked you'll squeal.
by kneegrowdamnus@gmail.com on Sep 9, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
So he beat a bunch of blue belts in a tournament, how many of them wereas big as him and with wrestling credentials?
Unless you have more specifics as to why thats impressive, that doenst say shit about his Jiu JItsu skills
Size matters.... but fitness matters equally
It would be reckless on Cain’s part to try to match strength with Brock. He is going to use a LOT of movement and angles to get in and out with punches and leg kicks. He won’t stop moving for the 1st 2-3 rounds. He will wear Brock down. By the end of the 3rd, the leg kicks will take a toll, and severely hinder Brock’s ability to shoot. At that point, if Brock’s forced to stand, it will only be a matter of time until Cain catches him.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
Nice analysis, Cole. Nothing more to be added.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
appreciated OJR....
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
Except some truth, because you're totally off on that guess Cole
Brock is going to bull rush him, put him on his ass, put him to sleep. You can take that to the bank, my friend.
I hope your bank runs out of money, beast lover!
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
We heard the same thing about Lesnar versus Carwin...
That LEsnar’s Wrestling was light years ahead of Carwin’s. But Carwin had no problem what so ever stuffing Brock in the 1st and completely destroyed him on the feet. And that was solely with boxing.
Cain has a much better mix of kicks and strikes than Carwin. If a Division II wrestler could stuff Brock, I see no reason why a Division I wrestler who finished 4th in the country couldn’t stuff him long enough to inflict damage.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
Size
And who said Carwin would get outwrestled by Brock? Sure wasn’t me. I always knew that Brock would have a hard time with him. I’m surprised that Brock won that fight, I figured it would be his toughest.
No matter how good a wrestler you are in college, giving up 30 pounds to a guy that knows how to use that size advantage is going to be disasterous.
GSP is the best WW wrestler but I bet he gets smoked in a fight with Ryan Bader. Know what I mean?
Carwin and Brock are strength wrestlers
Add Carwins strikes his takedown D is awsome, Brock almsot had one takedown in the first, like GSP vs BJ it would only of been a matter of time before Brock got Carwin down. Cain does not have the strength of Carwin and his defence will work different than Carwins. Brock had a year off before Carwin and you could tell was a little to tenative, It will be interesting becasue in a year Cain has only one fight that was not much of a fight with NOG, to see how he handles this big fight with with a man that will make him pay if Cain is nearly as aggressive as he was with NOG not to mention a much better chin LOL.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I don't think Brock was tenative because of the layoff
he changed his style. same as he changed his diet. He has “evolved” to be more of a mixed martial artist. I still think Cain’s movement neutralizes Brock’s ability to shoot effectively and he doesn’t need to stuff many take downs, just the couple that will be on point in the first two rounds. After that, footwork over size.
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
Cain's movement? You mean Cain's Running-away-like-a-bitch technique?
Certainly works for Anderson Silva…
Cain is a smaller version of Brock
With better hands and worse wrestling.
Brock can’t lose because this fight won’t be on the feet long.
I think you are going to be suprised by how complete a fighter Cain has become.
Cain has the striking, submissions, and cardio edge. And his wrestling is good enough to avoid the takedown long enough to wear brock out.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
Brock is going to hold him down and pound the snot outta him like he'd been ruffied
I like bacon...and Rashad Evans is a pussy
agreed
plus aren’t there stories about him just knocking people out in training. He doesn’t have Carwin power for sure, but he has way better combos.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
You really want to try to argue the cardio edge?
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
Really....
He was visibly tired after the 1st round with Carwin. Cain has the best Cardio in the division by far, and some of the best in the UFC.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
From what examples do you draw this conclusion?
Maybe he does. I haven’t seen it.
Visibly tired? I’d say he looked visibly hurt, but Brock did NOT look tired. IMO
Brock seemed to be breathing pretty hard
after rd 1 of the couture match. It’s simple mechanics – all that muscle needs oxygen; it’s easier to maintain it if you’re working at your own pace. Not so much when you’re not riding guys or activerly being made to work. There is an advantage to cain being 240lbs and not 280. You are too easily impressed by big muscles jay….the brockness monster will get his head tied into a knot and punted across that cage.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 9, 2010 12:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
LOL
“You are too easily impressed by big muscles jay….”
I’m still smiling.
NNR, put your sig where your mouth is. You were called out. Stand behind your pick. I agree with almost everything you say on here since you’ve been teaching us about MMA for years, but you’re wrong on this one, buddy.
Your muscle oxygen theory only counts when
your lung capacity is smaller to your unnatural size. for example Vitor fight at heavy weight with his natural fight size at 185-205.Having all the unnecessary muscle can hinder you but not in Brocks case.Brocks is a true heavy weight with lungs the size of potato sacks,so your BIG MUSCLE argument is irrelevant
I like bacon...and Rashad Evans is a pussy
Brock has been this size since college
It’s a build developed mainly through wrestling, it’s not like he is a Pudz and is just big from lifting weights. I can’t see this fight going past three anyway and Brock has endurance to go three rounds for sure. Then again we never really seen Carwins endurance tested either just a bunch of talk.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Jay - i've got like six different sig bets over this with
You were defnitely person #2…..Don’t think you can run;) hahaha
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 9, 2010 2:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have a sig bet with guru on this fight.
Maybe we did bet too? I don’t know. You wanna add a sig bet with me on Brock/Cain?
I saw someone have two or three different sigs piled on top of each other because they lost to a couple guys on the same night. We can do that too.
Yea, for sure.
This is gonna be the easiest win of my life haha. I also recommend that you place big bets on Brock over at BetUS. Everyone thinking the brockness monster should be putting bets in – while brock still has “value.”
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 9, 2010 3:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
And then when you lose your entire life-savings,
you will disappear from these boards…never to be heard from again.
NNR isn't going anywhere. He's an OG.
NNR, I don’t bet money on MMA. Can I do that with PayPal? I wouldn’t mind making some money.
NO
I mean NNR is the smartest guy on this board and when he says something you should pay attention.
by jay. on Sep 9, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am just trying to get people to swing the
moneylines on Cain. He’s a solid underdog right now at +145 but way back after the carwin fight – i was talking to VM and Kev ithink and they were telling me that it would probly top out at +175, +190. I personally think it can get a lot higher – all i know is that I am legitimately considering putting my entire bankroll on this fight. But paypal – i have no idea how the hell it works. I just get other people to use their accounts for me if i need to use it haha.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 9, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Why don't YOU pay attention to this, jay :
I….DON’T…GIVE..A….FUK.
Mmmkay? Mmmkay.
If you think Brock was suffering from exhaustion after the first round with car win you are an idiot!!
Brock took more punishment in that first round than Cain has delivered to all of his opponents combined! He still came back and won.
by Conan the Barbarian on Sep 9, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
And to my knowledge, Brock is not a Purple belt in BJJ..
Nor has he ever won a World championship at the Bluebelt level. I would have to say that gives Cain the better submissions pedigree.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
But Brock did Bully the hell out of Heath for 3 rounds
Brock may not have the BJJ credentials, but he did know enough to stay out of Mir’s full guard and Mir was bigger and a blackbelt
Also note Matt Hughes doesnt have belts in BJJ but many people award him with the status of a black belt.
Really?
I thought Randy getting a BB was laughable, now you say Hughes got his without progressing through all the other colors?
Does a BB mean anything any more?
Yeah
Why would you get your BB for submitting a boxer who has no experience on anything that takes place on the ground?
Randy has never shown jits in a fight
And as far as I know he doesn’t compete in Jits. I thought it was gay they gave him that belt. Someone was saying it was just a joke, but that’s bullshit. What gym gives someone a black belt on PPV as a joke?
It was a real BB and in my opinion a BB doesn’t really mean shit any more.
Jay, it was meant as a joke. For precisely the reasons Mack posted. It was tongue in cheek and it was meant at poking fun at Randy or poking fun at the concept of a BB.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 9, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think so, OJR.
Until I see someone taking that belt back. Who gives a bb out to someone as a joke? That’s just as bad.
I always thought
BB were supposed to be a sacred and an honor, not some toy to throw around as a joke.
Randy hasnt shown a mean submission game but he has shown positional control and submission defense.
I agree
But they don’t give out boxing gold gloves to the winner of a K1 tourney.
Know what I’m sayin?
No, I am saying he has never trained in a Gi but many people have mentioned that he is black belt level BJJ
True
but of all ways to “get” your BB, that was pretty lame if that was the case. And even lamer if it was a joke
Guys, seriously. Please. Look at the end of the fight. Look at Randy's expression and the guy who hands it to him. And that's the last I will post about it.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 9, 2010 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
they had talked about him getting the BB
before the fight. It was just presented to him there…I can’t say I remember his expression when he received it though. It was posted on Twitter a few days before the fight that he had earned his BB.
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
No offense to Randy but the concept of a BB is of little value if this is true.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 9, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
pretty sure Brock retired Heath
which is saying something.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
What does hearring have to do with anything.
Jay said it was opinion that Cain has a better submissions game than Brock. I gave factual examples of Why Cain has a better submission pedigree then Brock, and Mack’s response was that he controlled the hell out of Heath?
That in now way factually supports an argument that Brock has a better submissions game than Cain.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
BJ was the first BJJ black belt from America to win the.....
And how does he look in his fights? His jits is terrible for MMA.
Tournament jits doesn’t mean much in MMA since you don’t get punched in the face in those tournies.
He may have better jits, but it hasn’t transitioned for him into MMA yet.
Well said jay
look at barnett, he is one of the best sub artist when he was in his prime. If you win the ADCC or whatever that doesn’t mean your going to be good in MMA with it. Look at Monson who won he was owned on the ground by Sylvia were Mir nearly ripped Sylvia’s arm off. Mir is better than Monson at MMA jits even though Monson has won in a major JJ tournament.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
So then JAy...
You do concede that Cain has a edge in submissions based on factual evidence?
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
another thing to remember is that Cain has had no need to use his jitz
because no one has been able to take him down or put him on his back.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
He probably does have a better grasp of submissions and stuff
But it won’t be coming in handy in this fight.
I have a better understanding of jits than Brock does though. It’s not something that makes any difference in this fight. Mir is a better jits player than Cain and it did nothing for him, even with the size he put on.
That's because Brock is a great wrestler.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 9, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You forgot about Mir
Mir is a BB in BJJ and look what Brock did to him. Brock knew enough to stay out of Mir’s full guard because Mir is a BB. He sat in half-guard and pounded away at Mir. He used his size to keep Mir in place and pounded away. I can’t see Cain doing any better in that position.
He used more than his size
He used his speed and body position along with his big hands. Size didn’t really have anything to do with it.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Key words "Big Hands"
I’m not saying that Brock didn’t use technique or possess skills but do you honestly think that if Cain tried to do the EXACT same thing against Mir that it would be successful. Brock used his big frame and weight to hold Mir down, and he used his “Big hands” to hold Mir’s head in place while he pounded him with the other one. I think if Brock were the size of Cain and tried that Mir would have either submitted him or transitioned into a better position.
His big hands yes, but as far as keeping in position that was more technique than weight. Mir has had Big Sylvia on him before weight was not a big issue. As far as Cain holding Mirs arm as easy no but keeping position if did use the same technique is a great possiblity.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Size played a role. But his wrist control and hip control is what did it. It was very impressive. What confused me was half guard for guys with a good bottom game like Mir should have very good sweeps from their half guard.
Mir didn't even try to sweep
He was too busy praying for dear life that Brock would stop hitting him.
Heck, I don’t even think Mir could think straight considering how badly his brains were getting bashed in.
That's what confused me. If Mir's BJJ is so vaunted, why didn't we see ANY type of sweep attempt or positional maneuvering whatsoever? That's just bizzare. At some point you HAVE to try to move. Mir must just be really dumb to think he wasn't getting
hurt there or something.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
I defintely think brock will win
I hate to say. BUT you are pretty far off with your argument about who has better submissions. Saying Brock stayed out of Mir’s guard doesn’t prove he has better submissions at all. LOL. Look I will agree with a lot of these brock vs cain arguments, but this one is kind of silly
by thegr8stkybrdwarrior on Sep 9, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying that he does have better subs than Cain
I’m just saying that he knew enough at the time that against a BB where to be and where not to be. People keep bring up Cain’s BJJ back ground and all I’m pointing out is look at what he did to a BB.
True..the first sweeping leg kick Cain throws will result with 290 lbs of raging redneck on top of him pounding his brains into the canvas
I like bacon...and Rashad Evans is a pussy
Why the hell would be throw a sweeping leg kick...
without setting it up with hand strikes and angles. He isn’t going to just stand in front of him and kick. That would be asinine.
He will set up the kicks. Get brock moving backward and laterally. He will finish his combos with kicks while brock is off balance.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
Not gonna happen
You’re not allowed to kick when you’re on the ground (where this fight will take place).
Cain is too small, he may be more talented than Brock but the size and strength difference is too large in this one.
I'm not saying that that couldn't happen...
I’m saying, with a proper game plan, Cain will win. And I believe he will have the proper game plan.
Either way, I think they are just keeping the belt warm for JDS.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
Cains short lil arms,first will not connect then he ALWAYS follows with a kick
Brock will have his eyes on the lead leg like a starving lion on a wounded zebra…Make all the speed,angles,cardio scenarios you want the fact remain the Cain will end up on his back with a 290 lbs Goliath on top of him,that is a better wrestler and has a huge strength advantage
I like bacon...and Rashad Evans is a pussy
I know anything can happen in a fight
but short of Cain bringing a ball bat to the cage his chances are slim to none.Im not a Brock fan by any means but just try to be logic
I like bacon...and Rashad Evans is a pussy
That doesn't make sense from a tactical standpoint.
If Cain comes in at and angle and throws a combination with the hands, Brock will be forced to have his hands up to block the strikes while at the same time moving backward to avoid the power of the shots. With his hands up to protect his head, how is he going to catch the leg?
Sounds more like pure nuthugging than thinking tactically and objectively.
Now if you said Brock won’t defenfd the strikes and will simplely stand and hope to catch a leg, then that would make more sense.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
Brock isn't going to be backing up from Cain
He doesn’t have enough power to KO him with one or two punches.
Brock will run forward, grab him, take him down, fill his mouth with leather, raise his hand in victory.
you are right
hopefully it will be a 3 punch combo that puts Brock on his but.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
He doesn't like getting hit, no one does.
But there is no reason for him to run from Cain, Cain can’t hurt him.
HAHA
I don’t think you’ll find many quotes from fighters saying they like getting hit with a punch in the face…
Well only the punch drunk one; Toney??? Want to chime in.
I've got something to say; it better to burn in hell than to fade away!!!
POWER???
What power??? who has he ko’ed beside Nog that has over 300,000 miles on his engine..please Cole stop now you are grasping for pint dude
I like bacon...and Rashad Evans is a pussy
8 wins 7 finishes. He will be moving backwards when cain is throwing punches. Kinda hard to get the takedown like that
He won't be moving backwards
Why would he? Would you move backwards if someone half your size was rushing you?
Brock has moved backwards once in his life and all of a sudden it’s going to happen with everyone? CARWIN made him retreat, CAIN can’t.
Cain may be smaller but half his size is a little too much. Technique speed stamina and skill over size any day. Cain has the wrestling to keep it standing or scramble up to his feet. He will pick brock apart
p rock
“Cain has the wrestling to keep it standing or scramble up to his feet”
How many guys has Cain fought that won a NCAA championship? How many guys has Cain fought that wrestled in college? Why do you think Cain is a wrestling god? He’s too small, son.
Good points by all. I am especially impressed by Big Dawg's contributions.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 9, 2010 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I fart around on here and talk outta my ass a lot OJR but
I think I know my MMA shit. And thanks btw
I like bacon...and Rashad Evans is a pussy
Kid
Brock couldnt hold down couture and couldnt take down shane till he was gassed. So just because he is bigger he can take him down? dont think so. And i never said he was a wrestling god i said his wrestling was good enough.
I guess being an all american and pac 10 champion account for nothing just because its a mexican with a brown pride tattoo. Which is what everyone has against him.
I have nothing against him
I don’t root for him, but the tattoo means nothing to me. My roots are not American, Mexican or White. So Brown Pride isn’t offensive to me.
I just pick winners due to skill sets.
Cain is too small to compete with Brock or Carwin and not good enough at anything to compete with JDS.
by jay. on Sep 9, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
wow
Well i guess he became the number one contender by luck. I guess we will all find out soon enough.
No
He became the number one contender by beating guys NOT named
Brock Lesnar
Junior Dos Santos
Shane Carwin
He’ll lose to all three of these monsters.
Be honest
Did you think Cain would knock out noguera? What was your prediction for that fight, just curious
Ask anyone here what I think of Big Nog.
I definitely took Cain. Nog is punch drunk and hasn’t looked good since about 3 fights before PRIDE closed shop.
Nog shouldn’t be fighting mid-level fighters let alone top 5ers like Cain.
Just wondering if you have ever been wrong
How do you figure Cain has no shot at Brock if he is a top 5 hw. I think cain can beat any of the 3 " monsters " you mentioned. But im not dumb enough to think they have no chance of beating him.
No because he is huge
Size matters when everything else is equal. Like when I said that thing about GSP and Bader. They are both great wrestlers but Bader is 30 pounds heavier than GSP. Same with Brock and Cain. Cain is a great wrestler but he can’t overcome a 30 pound weight difference to another great wrestler.
Then why does everyone say brock will easily take down cain. because he was a national champ right
No…they say that because Brock is a freak of nature. they say that because the only thing that would beat Brock is someone with Carwin’s fists and Cain does not have that. I don’t care how many combos this clown can throw…If Brock does not fear them, that does not prevent him for going forward and taking Cain down.
Technique speed stamina and skill over size any day. – by p rock
Isn’t that what they said just before Frank Mir/Brock Lesnar part 2? EXACTLY.
Now run along, son…..
I hope they take away your computers in day care after cain beats brock children
by p rock on Sep 9, 2010 4:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I just don't get it....
Blind brock love….
The guy is huge and strong and fast for his size. He is NOT and impressive Mixed martial artist in any way. His striking is rudimentary at best, his striking defense is horrible, his submission game is questionable. His wrestling is outstanding, but take away his size, and he is less than impressive. Carwin exposed him and Cain will do the Same.
Let’s not forget that Carwin would be fighting Cain for the championship if his Cardio was up to snuff. He completely destroyed Lesnar then blew his wade.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
Point of that post? I've missed it.
He is a big wrestler that will outwrestle Cain.
Nobody has said differently. He isn’t going to put on a MT clinic. It will be a GNP win.
this isn't going anywhere
anything can happen in a fight, and basing theories on what “has happened” is pointless next to what “could” happen.
someone wins by head kick.
Now if ya heart was as big as ya mouth you'd be real, but its not so I know if you get knocked you'll squeal.
by kneegrowdamnus@gmail.com on Sep 9, 2010 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
the point was...
that Brock fans seem to be infatuated with his strength and wrestling. So much so that they completely overlook the fact that those are the only skills he possesses, if you call being big a skill.
It is only a matter of time, until more well rounded fighters expose him. Carwin started the job, Cain will finish it. and JDS would murder brock.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
LOL
GSP lately
Fitch
Brock
King Mo
Shields
Rashad (excluding 3 fights)
Hughes
These guys are all pretty successful using the same one dimension you just claimed Brock is going to be exposed for using.
When your one dimension is wrestling(top of the food chain wrestling) It is very hard to be exposed.
And notice, Jay, that there's no response to this from ---Cole--- either.
To take a line from that old show with Martin Lawrence :
“Cole? You’re stupid.”
No - he is one of the best posters in this site. And so is NNR. I understand your immense love for a guy who does not know that you exist - but give it a rest with the name calling.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 9, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Why should I "give it a rest?"
What are you going to do?
The fact that Cole aka Mr.STUPID(yeah I said it) said that Carwin started it and Cain will finish it is so completely asinine(emphasis on the ass part), it boggles the mind.
Carwin didn’t start anything. He simply caught and had Brock in a bad position until his own body betrayed him. Cain will have better cardio BUT the only thing that he will “finish” is his time as the #1 contender after 2 rounds when he gets his Brown Turd ass beaten into the octagon mat, courtesy of one Brock Lesnar.
You’ll find out, OJR and so will Mr.Stupid.
Ok i'll bite...
Here is my take on that list.
GSP: The most well rounded fighter on the planet 8 wins by KO/TKO 5 by Sub
Fitch: Relies heavily on his wrestling but is susprisingly well rounded. Servicable Muay Thai and legit submissions game 5 wins by KO/TKO 5 by sub
King Mo: Horrible everything, except for his wrestling. Don’t know why you even mentioned this guy.
Shields: Outstanding wrestling, but even better Jitz. Terrible striking, if you can even call it striking. 10 wins by sub, and a few wins by ko/tko susprisingly
Rashad: Great wrestling, serviceable subs, and vastly improved striking. 5 wins by tko/ko, and a couple subs…
Hughes: one of the greatest WW’s ever. His prime was at a time when fighters were still primarily utilizing 1 specialty. Still he has 18 wins by sub, including a sub over GSP, and only 17 wins by tko/ko.
So, yes… everone one of these guys utilizes wrestling in their attacks, but every one of them (with the exception of King Mo) also possess the ability to execute all other aspects of MMA when need be (but Jake shields really struggles with the striking).
Brock has shown far less aptitude for evolving in the other areas of MMA than anyone else that you listed.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
There is no argument for John Fitch
He is a boring wrestler. Those Subs and KO/TKOs you speak of, are against nobodies! Except for Alves, which is a whopping 1 tko vicotry against a good opponent. And one of thos tkos are from an injury. Agaisnt legit competition he is a boring lay and pray fighter.
by thegr8stkybrdwarrior on Sep 10, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Cole
That list is wrestlers that are only using wrestling to win. Fitch may be well rounded, but he doesn’t show it when he’s in a big fight or a tight spot. You said Brock was one-dimensional and won’t be able to hang with the big boys. Well I made a list of guys that are using the same one dimension Brock is using, and they are all VERY successful. None of them have been exposed.
but you can make that arguement for anyone
you can’t take away something someone naturally has. You say take away his size and he is nothing. But he is that big, it’s apart of the reason he is a force to be reckoned. If Brock was the size of Cain when he fought Mir the second time around then he wouldn’t have been able to sit in Mir’s half-guard and pound him the way he did.
How do you figure
Brock used great technique in getting that position his large hands help being able to wrap right around Mirs wrist even with gloves on. Look at Brocks fights on the ground he transitions faster than Cain can and thats what his biggest strength is.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
That's what I'm saying
Cole was saying take away his size and he is nothing. I was saying that his size a huge factor as to why he is able to do what he did against Frank. I don’t think Cain could have done the same to Mir in that fashion.
I don't think Cain would of attacked the same way.
They have different ground styles, Cain likes getting in full swings and posturing up were Brock keeps it clsoe and uses those hammer fist. If Cain had the same style I think he could but he also isn’t as quick in advancing position as Brock is either a smaller Brock might even faster!!
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I agree with you
Cole is trying to make a case against Brock saying that if it weren’t his size he would be nothing. What I am saying that his size what made him able to sit in his half guard the way he did and destroy Frank. If Cain had tried to do that it wouldn’t have worked because of like you said. He would have had to posture up to get more power into his punched. For Brock, he doesn’t have to do that. He can use his size to flatten out his opponent and keep him there then pound away.
Who has Brock ever KO'd?
He has TKO stoppages over Mir, and Randy.
And in both of those stoppages he hit them about 30 times and neither was ever truly out.
Cain has TKO stoggages over: 6 guys and a KO over Nog.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
The only time anyone tries to say there's a difference between a TKO and a KO
Is when they are blindly hating. Don’t do that.
A KO over Nog is worth about the same thing as a loss to a good fighter nowadays. Nog shouldn’t be brought into a conversation about top HW’s seriously.
ok...
in that case….
Cain has 6 wins by TKO and Brock only has 2. Yet another statistic in which cain has the edge.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
Brock might eat one of little cain's punches to take him down
Cole you are describing the only way Cain can win, but lesnar isn’t the champ for no reason. He will crush Cain.
by Conan the Barbarian on Sep 9, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes he is
He got a title shot with a 1-1 record in the UFC, and against a 40+ Randy at that. That’s being the champ for no reason. The Carwin fight is the only thing to his credit.
He split with Mir. How can you make an argument that one is better than the other when they are 1-1 against eachother? Because he had the more recent win out of the two fights? To me it’s a wash until we see a rubber match. You can say either one got lucky that day.
THUG
GSP and Serra are 1-1. Who do you think would win a third?
Brock OWNED Mir every second of both fights. Neither fight was close.
Maybe I need to watch the 2nd fight again
I thought he just flat out smashed Mir with size and strength in the second fight. It’s definitely a win, but I don’t remember being blown away by any technique. He showed tons of improvement submitting Carwin though.
I just don’t like the guy so I’m hard on him.
Comments like this make me laugh...
In 6 UFC fights Cain has not been in danger once unless you want to count eatting a Kongo punch, going to a knee and popping right back up.
Now all of the sudden he’s goign to get run over by the Brock train? Sorry guys, he isnt Frank Mir or a 45 yr old 217 lbs Randy Couture
An how many of Cain's wins were against guys that good?
uhhhhhhh….one? the guy that beat Randy and lost to Mir?
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
That was not the question, but a good debate try...
Their resumes are pretty equal if you ask me, but since you put words in my mouth with your sarcasm, perhaps you could explain to me how I believe Cain’s is better or Brock’s is worse?
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
Everyone's got an opinion my friend...
But since their resumes are similar, how can a case be made that one is going to run the other over so easily?
I think Vegas is right onthe money with the odds, Brock slight favoured as he should be (having the belt) but on paper this is 50/50.
I agree...
This is not Pride 2006 where you knew that the 3 big guns were better than everyone else. Dana White knows he has a cash cow HW division for the first time ever, and he will not expose ANY of these guys to anyone but each other, in title fights.
Although I believe Brock will win, no fight is a run-through, except Frankie versus BJ (ya hear me deuce?)
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
I think its Safe to say the next couple HW Title fights
will be competitve. I think Cain is gonna take this, and we can trade reasons why all day, bottom line is we find out on Oct 23rd, I for one cant wait. As a bonus we hopefully get to see Tito take a beating the same night, what more can a MMA fan ask for?
Cain will NOT take this. The only thing he will take is a FISTFUL OF BROCK HAMMERFIST TO THE SKULL.
This is retarded what I’m hearing here.
Everyone wants Brock to lose so badly, they’re attempting to give credibility to someone whose build more closely resembles Stephen Bonnar than Shane Carwin(for example). And you all think he’s going to beat Brock?
Plus, for those who believe that he will “Frankie Edgar” Brock, don’t bet on it. He’s not as fast, and Brock has a freakin’ 4 inch reach advantage so if Brown Turd decides to run, Brock will catch him and bury him.
brocks resume is superior. he has only fought champs or challengers, except for herring.
cain hasn’t fought a single serious contender at hw. he hasn’t been impressive in his wins against kongo(compared to say a frank mir) and i don’t give anyone credit for kicking the crap out of nog.
by Conan the Barbarian on Sep 20, 2010 2:12 AM EDT up reply actions
i think pat barry leg kicks are harder than cains. don't be surprised when lesnar catches one of those legs and throws cain to the canvas.
you did know they brought in barry to work on that with lesnar correct?
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Sep 9, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Good insight, wolf.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
2nd. Very very good point.
Vitor is coming. Somebody better polish up that MW belt.
Okami = Lindland & Franklin
It's a grave error to truly believe that Cain is better conditioned than Brock!
Brock WILL NOT tire against Cain! Besides, It won’t get outta rnd 2 anyway! Cain is wasting a lot of time “practicing getting out of holds” for Brock! Brock locks those vice-grips around him, getting out will be a far-fetched option! I’m predicting Brock, by making this look easy in the second!
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by Danas A Crossdresser on Sep 9, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the only way Brock wins this is by decision
I don’t think he stops Cain with any kind of submission. I do think his weight could probably smother Cain after 4 rds or 5…but definitely wouldn’t be something that happens before the 4th or 5th round. But he won’t win any other way. he won’t submit him. He won’t (t)ko him. he won’t do anything to him that Cani has the ABILITY to do to him.
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
Kongo had Cain on queer street at least twice...
How do you figure that Brock cannot do the same thing, but finish because he actually has a ground game?
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
I only remembered two
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
but I am old and tired these days, so who knows
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
Maybe cuz Brock & Kongo R on differnt planets striking wise.
Anyother HW wud have been asleep taken out on a stretcher eating a shot like that from Kongo right on the chin.
by d*locc on Sep 9, 2010 2:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
other than Brock right? The same Brock who took the best shots from the hardest hitting HW on the planet, right?
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
For real? the hardest hitting HW on the planet?
Based on wut? Ko’ing people with glass chins? It took like 50 punches for him 2 stop a defensless frank Mir.
by d*locc on Sep 9, 2010 2:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lmfao!! Wut u know bout kimbo spitting knowledge =D
That’s sum deep shit right there!
by d*locc on Sep 9, 2010 7:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Deep shit is right, especially when it comes to Kimbo.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 9, 2010 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you talking about Carwin (ie the hardest hitting HW)?
I think you are confused. MAybe Overroids hits harder than Carwin, but he is the only one who is even in the debate.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
cain is not worried about anything from brock. sure. lol
lesnar is going to beatdown velasquez something fierce. still can’t get a sig bet on that fight. who here is going to backup what the say about how lesnar just has been lucky so far?
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Sep 9, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I have a bet with guru on this one
There is only one person dumb enough to bet for Cain in this fight and I already got him.
good for you jay and i dont like guru at all.
people here talk a good game for cain but they wont sig bet b/c they have many doubts about the fight.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Sep 9, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I know.
Try to talk NNR into a bet. I’ve wanted to see NNR involved in this shit forever. And he’s rarely wrong so, go get him.
i put it up there. lets see if he responds.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Sep 9, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol. Not worried @ all! The Cain trains coming full steam ahead!
Brox in for a world of hurt!
by d*locc on Sep 9, 2010 12:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Who's bigger?
WHo has a bigger head? Tito or Cain? Those dudes have the biggest heads I have ever seen. Cain should be worried. Brock is going to stomp his ass.
Are the UFC ever gonna make him remove that racist tattoo?
Have they ever said anything about it?
by Lester The Pimp on Sep 9, 2010 11:19 AM EDT reply actions
They tried washing it off, I think it's stuck on there pretty good.
Most people have accepted the fact it isn’t racist. You (being a racist yourself) should really stop crying about racism.
Lester really wants to be able to show the swastika on his ankle and his awesome “White Power” tramp stamp.
I think the long white robe tends to cover those.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
by TheGreg on Sep 9, 2010 11:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Good stuff, Maniacs. A community cyber beatdown.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
fucking let him
Lester’s problem is that he thinks everyone would have a problem with the white power tattoo, but not the brown pride tattoo. Where whatever the fuck you want Lester. Free country dude. I am tired of having this conversation.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
I agree
Fuck it. Whites have been assholes our entire history. If someone is happy they aren’t white, I say let them be happy.
Whoa whoa whoa...Whites?????
Im white and im not an asshole to other races..Im an asshole to everyone,race,religion,creed sex…doesn’t matter to a real asshole
I like bacon...and Rashad Evans is a pussy
ditto
I am an equal opportunity dickhead. If Lester wants to display his ignorance by sporting a White pride tattoo, fucking do it man. Don’t be a pussy. Show the world how small your brain really is.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
by Deuce02 on Sep 9, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So if I'm Jewish and German does that mean I am an asshole to myself.
I've got something to say; it better to burn in hell than to fade away!!!
Hypothetically speaking of course.
I've got something to say; it better to burn in hell than to fade away!!!
That isn't true jay. You suffer from white guilt. All races have there time in the sun, we are living in the tail end
Of the Anglo era. The Arabs and Chinese are taking over now. The Chinese with their embrace of capitalism and the Arabs with the spread of their oppressive religion.
by Conan the Barbarian on Sep 9, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Hilarious. I am imagining you with a tin foil hat on your head. Try traveling the world or visiting a large city. You will learn that the world is a bit more complicated than your myopic post implies.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 9, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually kind of agree with him (not the white guilt part)...
Over the history of the world, ALL races have had a day in the sun as the “superior” race. Each race has then gone down a path of self-destruction caused by short-sightedness, sloth and gluttony. The Babylonians (arab) led to the Egyptians (African) led to the Persians (arabs) led to the Greeks (white) led to the Romans (white) led to the Moors (African) led to the Spanish/Franch/English (white) led to America (white).
This does not include any far east dynasties (where my knowledge is much more limited), but I know that the Chinese, Japanese, Indians and Mongols have all been the dominant power in that area (and well into Europe) and all had contact with the “west” through trade or conquest.
It is not that myopic to believe that another race will be the “dominant” race in 50 years, because even though the races have comingled more than at any other time in history, their will always believe that true bloodlines are to be upheld, and both the Far East and the Middle East are places where this is very true. Can you imagine a Sunni marrying a Shiite marrying a Kurd? It doesn’t happen very often.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
The only sad part of this...
is that the “changing of the guard” was disturbed by 20+ years of warfare, sometimes 100’s of years of warfare (Dark Ages).
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
Ulf - I appreciate your input. I honestly do but I think your view is more academic while his seems full of some sort of pessimistic bitterness. And Brock is a beast that must die! :)
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 9, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
"the Arabs with the spread of their oppressive religion." Really? And this one..."The Chinese with their embrace of capitalism." You mean the same thing America has done for decades?
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 9, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Fundamentalist muslims are spreading the word of a very different religion than written in the Quran.
While I think having this conversation on-line and with limited time is unjust to the topic at hand, i will end my portion of it by saying that I don’t completely disagree with Conan or you, and I hope he is looking at this academically (like I am) versus the opposite side of the spectrum.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
Fair enough.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 9, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes ojr, the majority of Muslims practice oppressive Islam, it is great at destroying other cultures and holding theirs together
The “moderate Muslim” is a myth. The Koran has anti- Jew and anti-Christian references throughout. There are plenty of English versions online now,you should educate yourself.the hate and intolerance for other cultures is cooked into their faith. Radical Muslims aren’t extremists, they are just the most religious. Since Islam has sharia law attached to it Muslims refuse to assimilate into new cultures. They recently blew up two historic bhuddist statues. They destroy wherever they go.
The Chinese thing is simple. They have embraced capitalism as the u.s. Embraces cronyism completely. Capitalism brought us to the top and our abandonment of it is gonna sink us.
by Conan the Barbarian on Sep 9, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree. I have friends who are Muslim and they give me the breakdown into their world. That's like stating that all Bible belt Christians are ignorant, backward neanderthals. Less books and more life for you, Conan.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 9, 2010 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
only a fool would base his opinions of muslims
on his three american muslim friends. facts destroy your annecdota evidence. tell your muslim “friends” that you think mohammed made up the muslim religion to justify his behavior (which historical archeological evidence actually suggests) and see what they do. ha,ha,ha,ha,ha you fool.
by Conan the Barbarian on Sep 19, 2010 4:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Fuck u Lester nothing wrong with us mexicans showing love for our pride why don’t u go suck a floppy donkey dick an shut the fuck up
by malito3og3 on Sep 9, 2010 11:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
What is this Mexican pride? Everyone who has ever lived in Mexico has been pissed on by everyone else
The natives were crushed by the Spanish. The mixed race mexicans were crushed by the texicans, then by the U.S. Now drug dealers are kicking the crap out of Mexico.
Most of the mexicans claiming “pride” are cowards who ran from their homeland and dig ditches here in the states. Where is the pride in any of that?
by Conan the Barbarian on Sep 9, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
wow
How bout pride in the fact that those tough mother fuckers are still here. Still kicking. Still working. Through all that adversity. They haven’t given up.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
They run from their own country and give ground to drug traffickers that abuse them.
If they had any real pride, they would take their own country back, not sponge off their more civilized neighbors. There is no pride in anything that they are doing. If existing is the reason for your pride, then you don’t have any.
by Conan the Barbarian on Sep 9, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American…There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag… We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language … and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
President Teddy Roosevelt
It's not a Mexican thing anyway
It’s a gang thing. I seent that shit on History Channel. Gangland or Gangwars or one of them.
well since ya saw it on tv
it must be true. Are you too blind to realize that the thing probably takes on many meanings, depending on who you talk to.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
I don't care about the tat
I don’t post enough for anybody to realize me saying “seent” is a tip off that I’m not really serious. What I don’t like is him bragging about his father being an illegal alien though. They should both be deported. I’m just against that policy. If my wife breaks into somebody’s house and has a baby there is the owner of that house suddenly obligated to feed and clothe that baby? To pay the medical bills? Is that baby instantly a member of the victims family? Of course not. So why is it that if you replace “owner” and “house” with “people” and “country” then answer is suddenly yes?
I hear ya man
I shouldve recognized your kidding. But the immigration issue is a touchy one. Hard to come up with the right answer, from either side.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
fuck this PC shit. Mexicans and Pride do not mix.
So suck on that!
glad to hear you are able to speak
for the entire Mexican nation. Moron.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
That's why this is America, dumbass. Freedom of Speech, you know?
And where the fuck did you get the idea that I spoke for those Mexicans anyway?
From what I’ve read just now, Mexicans HAVE ZERO PRIDE in their country.
And you think a name like “Deuce” is all that? stfu. You ain’t sh*t.
you sure like making a lot of generalizations
I tend to avoid people that use “they” repeatedly. The drug trade exists in Mexico because of the United States. Blanket statements like “there is no pride in anything they are doing” reveals your true feelings on this matter. How you can possibly make such a generalized claim is beyond me.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
The drug trade exists in Mexico because of the United States. Blanket statements like "there is no pride in anything they are doing" reveals your true feelings on this matter.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHH!!!! Thanks. I needed a good laugh. You criticize him for having blanket statements and in the sentence immediately before it you make one yourself(Drug trade exists in Mexico because of the United States)!!! HAHAHHAHAHHA!!!! You are such an idiot.
It's not really a blanket statement
If he had said….Mexican drug trade exists because all americans love drugs, it would be different.
Mexicans ARE selling their drugs to Americans. That’s just a fact.
Jay, just who is producing the drugs, though? Certainly not the U.S.
That’s my point.
There is no Pride in Mexico. NO ONE CARES!!! If they did, they would’ve fought to kick those manufacturers out of their country….
There's dudes growing drugs everywhere. It doesn't mean the entire country or race is bad.
There is Pride in Mexico, they have it in spades.
Now, what they are so proud about is another debate.
You also said "if existing is your source of pride, there is no reason to be proud" I'm paraphrasing of course but...
The jews that survived the holocaust have nothing to be proud of?
The Iraqis that Aren’t bombing American troops have nothing to be proud of their country for? You are throwing the baby out with the bath water here, my friend. You are making generalizations about an entire race based on what a few trouble makers do.
That’s the oldest form of racism.
You are wasting your time with him. He is either trolling or just not very smart.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 9, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for confirming it.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
You think the Jews are proud of their holocaust experiences???
Most people are proud of the things they accomplish, not the color of their skin or their being “brown.” American troops are proud of America because of what they accomplish in her name.
Racial pride is false pride and so is racial shame. You and Cain have something in common jay.
by Conan the Barbarian on Sep 9, 2010 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
proud of surviving the holocaust, yes
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
You are wrong. You don't feel proud of surviving when your brothers die all around you.
You feel regret for not stopping it. Typical liberal nonsense fork deuce. Coward’s logic is false logic.
by Conan the Barbarian on Sep 9, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL@Conan! Well Said.
People should be proud of their ACCOMPLISHMENTS, not just ’cause of their ethnicity or race.
thanks for taking this one for me boys
Nothing left here but scraps.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
Hold on there, Sunshine...What the fuck are you talking about?
Conan said that quote, you jackass. Not me. LEARN TO “REPLY” TO THE CORRECT PERSON.
Or get some Glasses.
racist to the indians? if the redskins can keep there name brock can keep his tattoo.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Sep 9, 2010 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
my mistake. people always complaining about lesnars chest tattoo so i thought it was about him
i actually have no problem with cains tattoo
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Sep 9, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
oh wolfy
hit 10,000 yet? I hope this wasn’t the one that got you there.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
10,028 just for you.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Sep 9, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
was it everything you had hoped for?
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
I didn’t need another reason to slack. I play in another league with bigger money and I have tried to do more than one league and it just doesn’t work for me. I do kinda regret not playing though. It would of been fun to beat Jay.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
I play in another league with bigger money
are you saying you are better than us? lol
Facebook is for gays!
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
I never thought I would get so much of a kick out of listening to guys
try to understand the draft, the flex positions and the waiver wire. Good times. Drew was the last person I expected to be a fantasy football newb.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
I don't get it
He won a super bowl a couple years ago and throws for the fourth most yards year after year.
Plus he had the most TD’s of any QB available.
what round you take him?
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
interesting choice
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
NO, not first round.
Liar
Headaches? Man, I told you guys, I am only doing this for funnsies. I will lose my money and maybe all 13 games. But I had to check it out and try it. Maybe I will be good in a couple of years after watching football again(I plan to watch some games this year).
Every pool needs someone to win and someone to finish last, I will be the guy that finishes last this year. Ain’t no thing.
I know jay.
I’m just trolling today but I’ll talk to you guys later as I can’t procrastinate any longer.
Facebook is for gays!
You can come over to my house tonight
I’ll put on some soft music, drop my drawers and you can beat me all night.
:)
funny and wrong all at the same time.
Good stuff Jay.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
I am not playing Gay chicken with you Jay.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
did you see the flipping facebook photos up from my weekend?
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
flipping the game of gay chicken off.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
Not yet, Deuce.
I only go on FB about once a week.
Just to check messages and shit. You are LE, right?
yep yep
my little brother had his bachelor party this weekend. Never seen so much gay chicken in my life.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
it happened last night and my girlfriend was giving me a bj. i climaxed on both goals.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Sep 9, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
that is better. I can’t think of a better way. But please, no more details necessary. You taking some maniacs on a Vegas trip to celebrate? Dibs.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
Just went to MMBB, that site is not fixed, my bullguard is flipping out, and i got sent to a casino option with a whole fuckload of spam.........
That is a balls, didn’t happen all along, but it will turn me off going back if it is not fixed asap. Who the fuck wants to run the risk of getting a virus to read second hand information.
I like fighting.
I won't go back
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
I said it before and I will say it again
the next three strap fights in the HW division of the UFC are the most exciting I can remember. Cain is legit and poses some danger to Brock. Brock proved he has got a good chin against Carwin, but I am looking forward to seeing how he reacts to some of those wicked combos Cain likes to throw. A few uppercuts and then we get to see the takedown show.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
He has to land those Combos, though. He may land one...But Brock would cover up and that's it.
Cain will be done by the end of the 2nd….Brock via TKO.
Agree
It will be a good fight but i think cain will win. And if brock does win it wont be the destruction the brock nut huggers are saying it will be. Some people just cant get past his tattoo and the color of his skin. No matter what their race all these guys put it all on the line and they should all be respected. Prediction Cain 3rd round stoppage
Prediction : Brock pounds Cain's Face in so hard, his tattoo(Cain's) comes out.
And p rock crawls back under the rock he came from.
Brock is so good at taking opponents down and finishing fights
that it’s hard to bet against Lesnar, even with Can ‘training against being put in a bad spot’.
Cain’s best shot is to keep this standing up.
"in this day and age of "let's erect a statue"-isn't it time Jerry Reinsdorf is honored" - The Swirsk
by RogersPark Kris on Sep 9, 2010 12:14 PM EDT reply actions
not to be an ass
But, Duh. Ok, maybe I am an ass.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
i like your pic
fixed.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
there, now everyone can see it.
Facebook is for gays!
by MMACHAMP on Sep 9, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Who rec’d this thing. Whoever you are. You suck!
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
I was #3...we are missing one since champ can't rec his own.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
whores
the lot of ya.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
LOL
That sucker will be green soon.
SOMEONE PLEASE REC THAT PIC OF THE LIGHTWEIGHT CHAMPION, THANKS.
Jay, if Mania converts into a BE wannabe with all of these recs...we will have the first trial for treason in the history of Mania. ;)
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 9, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
fuck you...I am keeping mine!!
Where’s Cali? Rec that ficker and get it green?
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
dirty fucking bastards
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
You and Ulf are in trouble when I get back. I expected more from you regulars. Treason Tribunal begins 09/27/10.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 9, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Treason Tribunal.
I got nothing to hide. So what, I may have rec’d a post here or there. That doesn’t make me a bad person. I can quit rec’ing any time I want.
I plead no contest...
Just think if Sonnen would have beaten Spider…I would be trolling like danago and Hella
BTW, does anyone think that John G could be danago? his site had plenty of tools for him to learn from and I noticed Focker and biotch in some posts.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
There was a bunch of trolls on John's site?
I hadn’t seen any fockers or biotch’s.
Maybe it’s just another regular that remembers that shit.
Fucking OJR to GD rescue
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
elaborate please
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
I'm kidding
It’s a reference to an eralier post I made that I got chewed up for. I’m hoping Brock wins this actually.
We all saw in the Carwin fight
that Brock does not like to get punched in the head, he turtled and assumed the fetal position for a good portion of the 1st. I still cant believe that fight wasnt stopped. Anyways if Cain comes out swinging and connects I dont think this fight will last long, Lesnar will go fetal again but unlike Carwin, Cain will end the fight.
Unlike the others who took shots from Carwin
At least brock stayed conscious.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
haha
I hate brock, but that was funny
Activia; now with bullshitifus ridicularus
by salamagogo on Sep 9, 2010 12:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The fetal position is defending yourself, or so I’ve been told, over and over again. Most punches weren’t connecting and blah blah blah. I watched that fight 9 times one day. After the 9th one I can say I can see both sides at least. I wouldn’t have been upset if they stopped it but I can see the Brock nuthuggers point of not stopping a fight of that magnitude too quickly.
the fact that Brock ended up on his feet without a stand up, and ended up finishing that fight should shut the mouths of anyone who was whining for a stop.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
Cain doesn't really have any power
he was able to KO Nog because Nog just stood there and Cain danced landing punch after punch with precision. After a while it added up and eventually Nog went down. I just don’t see that happening Brock.
^+1
I have been giving Cain shit ever since he came into the UFC because of all the hype that he had before accomplishing anything. But he has shown really visible progression each time out and has impressed me. I am still not a fan per say, but I really think he is the better fighter and will beat Brock.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
if you discount anyone in a fight
you are the knucklehead. If you can predict the outcome of every fight, you would own the world brother.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
god you are a jackass
What in anything that I said indicated that I am a Cain fanboy? Read much?
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
I’m not saying that it wasn’t. I’m just saying that I don’t think that Brock will allow Cain to do that to him because he will take him down before he gets a chance to do that kind of precision striking. Kinda like what Chael did to Silva
there is a big difference there though.
Cain has an excellent wrestling background, unlike Silva.
People forget that Brock graduated College in 2000. From 2000-2007 he did not wrestle competitively, he worked for the WWE and tried several other jobs out.
Cain on the other hand, graduated in 2006 and immediately began training in MMA and has never had a break in his wrestling training. People also forget that Cain also won a Junior College national championship in wrestling as well as being an All-american division I wrestler.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
But Cain has never faced Brock Collegiately....I bet Brock beats him then, too.
You guys are trying soooo hard for Brock to fail, it’s so amusing.
Once Brock finishes off Cain in the 2nd. Then you guys will get off Cain’s nuts and start swinging from JDS’s. Sad.
Cains dead, simple.
People hype his cardio. Where does he show it? When he went to the 3rd round once with KONGO and still couldn’t finish him? Yes, Kongo.. that guy with 0 ground game.
His stand-up is amazing? Yah, better then Brocks no doubt but he KO’d Big Nog. He was literally a human punching bag.
His wrestling is good? Brocks is better.
What Cain makes up in speed Brock surpasses in strength and size. What is Cain going to do when Brock pushes him up against the cage.. takes him to the mat and does the same thing he did to Mir? NOTHING.
Riding the Brock Train..
Jon Fitch, Gray Maynard and Chael Sonnen can suck it. If I want a blanket I'll buy it in the store, not on PPV.
I'd like to see where Brock was in the fetal position..
As I recall he was on his knees blocking his head. trying to stand back up.. . hmm..
Riding the Brock Train..
Jon Fitch, Gray Maynard and Chael Sonnen can suck it. If I want a blanket I'll buy it in the store, not on PPV.
Where cain can kick, Brock can punch. What Jiu Jitsu guy is focused on escaping rather then avoiding bad possisions. Brock is (sadly) going to smash Cain
Cain doesnt have the power of Carwin in stand up either, and Brock has shown to have a solid chin. I would put money on this one.
Cain has the highest strikes landed/strikes absorbed in ufc history at over 6 per min or round, cant remember which & i cant for the life of me find the recent article about it, so to those saying his stand up lacks is wrong…His leg kicks are aldo-like vicious at times & his hands were soooo fast the last time he fought i literally blinked & saw big nog going down.
You better hope they're not Aldo-Like because then there's not much power behind those kicks.
Nevermind what Aldo did to Faber. Will Cain’s kicks get through the MASSIVE MUSCLE in Brock’s Thighs and Legs? Doubt it.
Brock’s a human wrecking ball and Cain will be the next one getting wrecked.
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