Dan Hardy: Wrestling to avoid fighting is 'timidity' and is against the rules -- stand 'em back up
by Jesse Holland on Sep 7, 2010 11:49 AM EDT
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"In interviews this week, I've been asked if another two losses in addition to my loss to George St-Pierre and Paul Daley's defeat to Josh Koscheck, shows that the Rough House needs to bring in new wrestling coaches in order to be successful in the UFC ... Rather than saying 'oh, these guys can't wrestle', I think the problem is there's beginning to be too much wrestling in UFC Octagon, not too little of it in the gym. There are a lot of people out there calling themselves 'UFC fighters' who are nothing of the kind. In the UFC, you should go for finishes. You should work for 15 minutes to knock your opponent out, submit him, or improve your position to give yourself the best chance of doing either. But there's guys out there who just want to use wrestling to hold a stalemate for 15 minutes, without ever risking going for ground and pounds or attempting submissions. This isn't 'cheating within the rules' – it is actually against the rules. 'Timidity' is outlawed in the Unified MMA rules and what better describes the act of holding on to an opponent and waiting for the clock to tick down with no attempt or inclination to do any damage? And that's not the same as saying all UFC bouts have to be kickboxing or Thai boxing matches in order to be entertaining. That's not what I am saying. One of the best fights of the year was George [Sotiropoulos] – who is a friend of mine and a guy I am tipping to win the Lightweight Title next year – beating Joe Stevenson at UFC 110 ... The Athletic Commissions need to look at the scoring and refereeing to stop this from becoming a problem. If a guy is in a dominant position, but not actually doing anything offensive – stand 'em back up. If he is consistently trying to tie the other guy up to avoid actual fighting – warn him and then start taking points. It is supposed to be a fight."
Former UFC welterweight number one contender Dan Hardy, who once accused Georges St. Pierre of "playing it safe to keep his belt," continues his anti-wrestling crusade in his latest blog as he prepares for UFC 120 on Oct. 16. "The Outlaw" is unhappy with the emerging trend in mixed martial arts that favors wrestlers who can disrupt their opponent's gameplan with frequent takedowns, leading to a decision win without actually engaging. Does anyone think the Brit is saying what the fans are thinking? Or is this just sour grapes from a striker who can't defend the shoot? Let's hear your stance and if your anti-wrestling, give us your most frustrating fight. St. Pierre vs Alves from UFC 100? King Mo vs. Gegard Mousasi from Strikeforce: "Nashville?" Sound off, Maniacs.
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I agree 100%!
We need the yellow card Pride rule!
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
Agreed
The blanket effect is too much.
I hate it when a wrestler is on top of his opponent and there is a clear submission opportunity but they don’t go for it just in case the lose position.
What annoys me even more is when a wrestler has some ones back with hooks in and then removes the hooks and takes a sort of side control while having the guys back. Now I don’t mind this when the wrestler is pounding on him but the majority just wait for there opponents to roll so the wrestler can gain side control again.
The bottom line is that wrestlers are too scared to take risks just in case they end up on there back
Arm.bar.bandit saw me slow dancing with Anderson Silva. I had my hands on his ass.
Only thing that pisses me off and gets me yellin at the TV like the ref can hear me
Is when a fighter is repeatedly going for TD after TD and not getting it. The entire fight is spent watching one guy defend the TD and the other guy try like hell to get it. Mostly clinched up against the fence doing nothing. Or a fighter gets taken down repeatedly but gets right to his feet, and the entire fight is spent watching one fighter take a guy down over and over again and do nothing with it ie. Rashad Evans vs Thiago Silva.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 7, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
and munos/okami
Activia; now with bullshitifus ridicularus
by salamagogo on Sep 7, 2010 12:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
first thought in my mind too.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
The best part of that fight was that it was split decision.
failed TD after failed TD = winning rounds
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 7, 2010 2:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the leaning against the fence
with your head in a guys crotch, ala Guida, sucks.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
agreed agreed agreed.
this issue needs to be addressed. I’d rather watch curling than having a 15 wrestling match without any punches or submissions being attempted.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic !
problem here is that wrestling is an american sport and their only martial art.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic !
Always have to bring in the nationalistic bullshit don't you?
If it’s not ridiculous conspiracy theories it’s anti-American tirades.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
Does the word "Boxing" ring a bell?
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 7, 2010 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
weren't the ancient greeks or romans WRESLTING millenia ago?
I should never have doubted the wisdom of David W-S or the talent of Junior Dos Santos…and screw Dana White
LATE TAKEDOWN FTW
maybe cuz greek / romans had poor skillz in boxing and it was too hard for them milenia ago XD
lmfao.
"They say the only way to kill a lion is with a rear naked choke. I would just kick it in the head." - Bas Rutten
"Liver, liver, liver, now get drunk" - Bas Rutten
My Fav. Fighters List :)
1 - Alistair Overeem
2 - Wanderlei Silva
3 - Mauricio Rua
4 - Fedor Emelianenko
5 - Gegard Mousasi
6 - Dan Henderson
7 - Takanori Gomi
8 - Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipović
9 - Dan Hardy
10 - Kazushi Sakuraba
What does that matter?
Wrestling is not the only American sport or American martial art that’s big over here. And you can’t call that boxing; they strapped leather or spikes to their knuckles and fist fought to the death; that’s not boxing.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 7, 2010 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude I wonder about you sometimes... like if you're willfully ignorant or if you say something without thinking
Then when you’re proven wrong feel as if you have to defend it no matter what. But ever hear of Golden Gloves? That’s amatuer boxing.. Is Golden Gloves big in the U.S.
Seriously Rob you need to get your head out of your ass on certain subjects..
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 7, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
hell yeah O damn, my father was a golden glove boxer from age 14-17
Now if ya heart was as big as ya mouth you'd be real, but its not so I know if you get knocked you'll squeal.
by kneegrowdamnus@gmail.com on Sep 7, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Also what does high school/college have to do with boxing being an American Sport??
How does that even factor into the equation??
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 7, 2010 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Modern Boxing (Queensbury rules) is an English sport.
Just FYI – I know it’s done in the US but so is every other Martial Art to one degree or another – The US invented modern wrestling (most sports go back a long way so I refer to Wrestling and Boxing in their modern interpretations – not the Greek originals).
Oh, and just so you know – England “invented” Apple Pie and Baseball too (though over here it’s a girls game called “Rounders” just like Soccer is a girls game in the US). The US is too new to have invented that much of their own yet – though MMA, if classed as one sport could rightfully be taken as a US thing since the UFC have dictated much of the modern ruleset.
No way!
If you have an issue with it, fucking stop the take downs or learn how to sweep someone off your back or scramble. It is your job to stop the other guy not have the ref and the rules give you presents and turn the UFC into purely Kickboxing.
by Edgecrusher71 on Sep 7, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Soooo True
Agreeed
"They say the only way to kill a lion is with a rear naked choke. I would just kick it in the head." - Bas Rutten
"Liver, liver, liver, now get drunk" - Bas Rutten
My Fav. Fighters List :)
1 - Alistair Overeem
2 - Wanderlei Silva
3 - Mauricio Rua
4 - Fedor Emelianenko
5 - Gegard Mousasi
6 - Dan Henderson
7 - Takanori Gomi
8 - Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipović
9 - Dan Hardy
10 - Kazushi Sakuraba
yes! if they are not looking for a finish or even a better position
Stand em back up!
My Top MMA Talents
1. Jon ''Bones'' Jones
2. Anthony ''Showtime'' Pettis
3. Phil ''Mr. Wonderful'' Davis
4. Terry Etim
5. Patricio ''Pitbull'' Freire
by robinhorobson on Sep 7, 2010 11:54 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
It's not really an anti-wrestling crusade and I agree with a lot he had to say here
But I think sometimes what happens is the guy on top is trying to pass and improve position or trying to ground and pound, but the guy on bottom is defending real well and threatening with submission attempts so you get a boring stalemate.
There are some Matt Lindland type fighters out there though that could use some incentive to stay active.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 7, 2010 11:55 AM EDT reply actions
And King Mo vs Mousasi is a classic example of why the dominant position is awarded too many points
Cause Mo got the shit beat out of him even though he was in a better position the entire fight. I don’t think they should award a point for a TD, they should wait to see what the fighter does with that TD before awarding points.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 7, 2010 11:57 AM EDT reply actions
+1
My Top MMA Talents
1. Jon ''Bones'' Jones
2. Anthony ''Showtime'' Pettis
3. Phil ''Mr. Wonderful'' Davis
4. Terry Etim
5. Patricio ''Pitbull'' Freire
by robinhorobson on Sep 7, 2010 12:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yes and No
While I do think takedowns are giving way too much credit, some are worthy of it. If you simply low single or leg trip I don’t think it should be too heavily pointed, but if you pick your opponent up and earth slam the hell out of them then I think it should count for points because the roughness of the slam can cause damage. On the ground a fighter on his back can be more active than the fighter on top and I agree the judges are wack in some cases, but it also goes to the saying, don’t complain about what he’s doing do something to stop it.
I think the problem is fighters need to get over their egos and train accordingly. Dan Hardy can strike. We all know he can strike. But knew he was fighting a GSP who’s been wrestling a lot. If i’m running his camp 90% of it is on his back period! Stop thinking you’re going to knock everyone’s block off. MMA mixed martial arts means you have to deal with a wrestlers game not beg the ref to stand you up
Agree with the big slam!
If fighter A gets fighter B down and does nothing with it than award him zero points. Doubt that will ever happen, but what should happen is if Fighter B gets back up than he should get the same amount of points as fighter A getting him down.
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
Controlling position = octagon control.
It should definitely be down the list of priorities when judging a fight, but it still matters. So I don’t think you can say getting up should be as important as taking someone down (just like escaping a submission shouldn’t be as important as attempting one), but I think the worth of a takedown should be minimal unless it’s actually used to inflict damage on the opponent.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
“So I don’t think you can say getting up should be as important as taking someone down”
Why not? It takes skill to avoid a finish and get to your feet. Ask Alves after the Fitch fight, standing up can be a huge win.
“just like escaping a submission shouldn’t be as important as attempting one”
Why? If you dont have the training in an escape you wont win (re: Chael Sonnen). Defensive is JUST AS IMPORTANT as offense. It may not look as exciting to you but it is rally important for a fighter to know n order to prevail.
I never said it's not important for a fighter to know.
But I think it’s ridiculous for someone to get the same amount of credit for surviving that you would the person who put them in danger. By that logic you could argue that you should give the fighter getting punched in the face the same credit as the guy who punched him if he doesn’t get knocked out. Ridiculous. But then I think I’ve also seen you argue that any fight that doesn’t end in a finish should be a draw so we’re not going to agree on this topic.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
Actually...
The one that “survives” the submission attempt should get MORE credit that the guy attempting the sub. Look at it like this, if fighter A is trying to get a sub and fighter B prevents it, then fighter B has displayed more ability. He was successful in the exchange. The defender showed more ability and was not sub’d.
“By that logic you could argue that you should give the fighter getting punched in the face the same credit as the guy who punched him if he doesn’t get knocked out. Ridiculous.”
Except punching does leave damage. The defender and the offensive fighter in a sub attempt both spend (virtually the same) energy trying to impose their will. The one who does impose their will with the same or less damage should get the credit and the scoring points for being more successful…in this conversation, the defender of the sub did that.
“I never said it’s not important for a fighter to know.”
And I didnt say you did say that.
I understand your point, but disagree.
Who’s to say that a punch to the face leaves more damage than an attempted armbar that didn’t quite force a tap? The Kenny Florian did damage to Kit Cope’s arm in their fight that had a lasting impact. I think that credit should go to the fighter that is attempting to finish the fight, not just survive the efforts of the other. However, no problem if you disagree, that’s what makes this sport fun to debate.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
great point
not to mention defending submissions can sap the cardio of the defendee. Of course it saps the defender as well so i just ran that one in a circle
I'm too stupid to think of anything clever to put here.
“Who’s to say that a punch to the face leaves more damage than an attempted armbar that didn’t quite force a tap?”
It’s not a question of total damage. If I throw a punch and it lands, even if I dont KO the guy, it still was a successful move as it landed. If a grappler tries a sub and it doesnt work….then nothing happens.
I like it when people are making attempts to finish too. But in the world of martial arts a guy that can counter a sub is actually better than the guy making the attempted sub. It would be like a guy off the street trying to sub Werdum. The guy on the street can haplessly try to sub him but he would be able to counter everything the guy would attempt. He would be showing his mastery better than the guy off the street would.
I disagree with the submission offense/defense argument because it’s commonly said that it’s much easier to learn submission defense than offense (I can’t speak from personal experience since I admittedly do not train BJJ). Therefore I don’t think you can necessarily say the person surviving the attempt is displaying more skill.
If a grappler tries a sub and it doesnt work….then nothing happens.
And as I previously mentioned, submission attempts that are survived can result in enduring damage to the surviving fighter. While this may not occur in all submission attempts, it certainly happens.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
Now what constitutes points?
Has that ever been clearly defined before. Everyone always talks about “those knees to the thigh are still scoring point.” Well how many? Who says zero points vs. 5 or 50 points, scoring that way doesn’t make sense, we don’t have score boards soni don’t see the point. Clearly based on judging it’s more subjective than objective. A+B definitely doesn’t equal C in many cases, so I think that’s the wrong way to look at it. People are used to stick and ball sports so they cling to a scoreboard. These judges need to know the positions and submissions and attempts and transitions to know what the fuck is going on. It’s fair to say that many of them don’t really have a clue, even treating it like a horizontal boxing match would be more appropriate (Bas v. Randleman). They are still stuck in the dark ages where the person on top must be in control and setting the pace due to no other reason than being on top.
by SKGBJJ on Sep 7, 2010 3:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hardy wasnt complaining about GSP, he was referring to the fight between Lentz & Winner, where basically Lentz clung onto his legs for dear life for the first 2 rounds, trying (unsuccessfully for the most part) to get him down. When he did get him down i dont think he even threw more than 5 punches.
Thats his point, its when they are wedged against the fence & its a stalemate. But the ref never intervenes in these points. They might stand a fight up but, but they would never stop the attempted takedown…. even if it lasts all the rounds?
Hardy is just pissed that he had no answer for GSP’s takedowns. I agree with Joe Rogan. If a guy cant get up on his own, he deserves to stay there and get dominated. Stand ups are great for the fans who want to see KO’s but are a disadvantage to groundfighters. I agree with having to improve position, but sometimes fights are stood up even when a fighter is trying to improve position. Let em fight. Cant get up? Well then eat a fucken elbow or get choked out you bitch ass incomplete fighter. Maybe hardy should box since he cant wrestle, and wrestling is a part of MMA.
by slorider on Sep 7, 2010 11:59 AM EDT reply actions
I don't think this applys to GSP..
In the GSP/Hardy fight GSP worked the whole time, he locked in 2 submissions and was constantly changing positions to better himself.
If anything Hardy looked bad in that fight with the “GSP is too nice to break my arm so I just won’t tap.” bullshit that he showed. When your in a submission you should tap. I wish GSP just broke his arm like he easily could of.
Fighters like Jon Fitch and Gray Maynard I feel are the case at point.
Riding the Brock Train..
Jon Fitch, Gray Maynard and Chael Sonnen can suck it. If I want a blanket I'll buy it in the store, not on PPV.
GSP and Rashad are getting close to joining this list.
Well said.
Blame Canada, Blame Canada, With all their hockey hullabaloo, And that bitch Anne Murray too, Blame Canada,Shame on Canada...............
I can't believe............
people honestly think he wasn’t trying to break it. Do you not remember hardy screaming in pain?? GSP had the technique wrong, that was it…………….
Blame Canada, Blame Canada, With all their hockey hullabaloo, And that bitch Anne Murray too, Blame Canada,Shame on Canada...............
Yea Maynard and Fitch are classic examples
They don’t have the KO gnp power to finish a guy or the submissions. So the entire goal going into the fight for 3 rds is to wrestle and stay on top. That’s just not MMA imo.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 7, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Maynard pounds on the ground
I agree simply advancing position and causeing little or no harm should be stood up and little points awarded but as far as GSP goes he makes his opponent pay he might not have the KO power some like but he does damage, not to many fighters have made a champion calibure fighter quite between rounds!
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I agree with GSP he's got a very active game
Credit to Hardy for neutralizing GSP’s GnP and defending the subs. One thing I really didn’t like was Greg Jackson in the corner telling Georges not to pass the guard inbetween rds; thought he was just trying to play it too safe there; I’m all for letting GSP pass and create some opportunities to finish. That said the Hardy fight wasn’t boring because GSP didn’t try to finish, it was boring because Hardy couldn’t do a damn thing about anything Georges was doing to him but try and survive.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 7, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
jackson explained why he said that
because he knew Hardy wouldnt tap, he wanted to see more GNP from GSP in hardy’s guard. instead of passing, beat the shit out of him
I'm gonna go home, watch DirecTV, drink bud light and ride my Harley Davidson!!
he knew he wouldn't tap
then break his damn arm. I bet he taps next time.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
standing in someone's guard can give you a better vantage point to drop some bombs.
thats how Gray mauled Kenny, standing in his guard and beating on him.
I should never have doubted the wisdom of David W-S or the talent of Junior Dos Santos…and screw Dana White
LATE TAKEDOWN FTW
When your in a submission you should tap.
Really? That’s odd.
Uhmmm, sorry GSP tried to submit him but was imply unable to. I don’t buy all this GSP was too nice talking point.
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VEe is ANIMated!
by VeeisAnimated on Sep 7, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
GSP just had it wrong, he admitted as much
He went back to the locker room right after the fight and went over the sub with Renzo.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 7, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I agree with you but the talking point that GSP was too nice is PURE fantasy.
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VEe is ANIMated!
by VeeisAnimated on Sep 7, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
He didn't follow through he had everything right tell near the end.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I think he would've broke the arm if he slapped it on right
It’s the other guys fault if he wants to be a hard head and doesn’t tap.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 7, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone get a video of those submissions.
I think they were in and he could of easily wrenched harder.
Riding the Brock Train..
Jon Fitch, Gray Maynard and Chael Sonnen can suck it. If I want a blanket I'll buy it in the store, not on PPV.
GSP and Rashad are getting close to joining this list.
He wouldve broke it but he is to nice of a guy,
I was pissed watching that, Im sure anyone else wouldve broke that fools arm.
hahahahahah… nice of a guy
seriously looked like he couldnt pull an armbar… fact..
"They say the only way to kill a lion is with a rear naked choke. I would just kick it in the head." - Bas Rutten
"Liver, liver, liver, now get drunk" - Bas Rutten
My Fav. Fighters List :)
1 - Alistair Overeem
2 - Wanderlei Silva
3 - Mauricio Rua
4 - Fedor Emelianenko
5 - Gegard Mousasi
6 - Dan Henderson
7 - Takanori Gomi
8 - Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipović
9 - Dan Hardy
10 - Kazushi Sakuraba
he pretty much applies it to gsp and koscheck when he brings up his loss and daleys loss
read it again
The Red Wings will come back stronger
RESTORE THE ROAR 2010 Detroit Lions
well thats the problem
Some mma wrestlers dont choke people out or gnp them.
Look at fitch sometimes i see so many position where he can choke someone out or gnp them but he just doenst do it same goes with king mo against mousasi, i guess they are afraid if they will make a move they will get reversed or submitted.
I think a wrestler with a good jits game could be a problem for a lot of people. Examples are askren,woodley,phil davis
My Top MMA Talents
1. Jon ''Bones'' Jones
2. Anthony ''Showtime'' Pettis
3. Phil ''Mr. Wonderful'' Davis
4. Terry Etim
5. Patricio ''Pitbull'' Freire
by robinhorobson on Sep 7, 2010 12:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
agreed!
with rogan i mean
baseball is USA’s sport, if you can sit there and watch 9 innings of ball then you can wait 5 minutes for the round to be over!
if you cant get up, you dont deserve to be stood up! the fight starts on the feet where you had your chance…
I'm gonna go home, watch DirecTV, drink bud light and ride my Harley Davidson!!
Valid point!
God I hate baseball and always will! Talk about boring.
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
i play it, and love it.
but cant watch it to save my life. not on TV anyways.
I'm gonna go home, watch DirecTV, drink bud light and ride my Harley Davidson!!
same
-It's Better To Be Judged By Twelve Than Carried By Six-
(In the name of the SouthCaliStunNa, amen)
by *Californication* on Sep 7, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with this
learn to get the fuck up. But, I do like the yellow card system too. For our benefit.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
Agreed Hardy talking out his ass here...
Well Hardy, instead of trying to neutralize GSP with BJ why don’t you keep attempting to standup?…. afraid of leaving yourself vunerable to a submission?…. Lots of guys on the bottom use a tight guard hoping there’s a mistake so he can hit a submission mean while the guy in mount is scoring points with blows, so who’s fault is that. I’ve never seen a fight where GSP was not active enough on top to where they had to stand them up again… never.
The growth of MMA has been stunted by wrestling
MMA will stop growing in this country because of the boring pro wrestler rules. Almost nobody watches wrestling on TV so obviously very few people like MMA matches that turn into boring wrestling matches.
its only a "boring wrestling match"..
because one of the two guys dont have a fucking clue about wrestling like Daley and Hardy…
I'm gonna go home, watch DirecTV, drink bud light and ride my Harley Davidson!!
Was it stunted by BJJ?
No, it wasn’t. This is just another facet that people are going to have to get better at and learn to defend. The sport is better because of wrestling the same way it has benefited from other disciplines being vetted over years of practice.
by PetrozellisJab on Sep 7, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
i see your point
But bjj guys try to break bones, choke guys unconscious….that’s thrilling….straight up wrestling? Ehhh…
Activia; now with bullshitifus ridicularus
by salamagogo on Sep 7, 2010 1:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
True but would we have GnP without wrestling?
by PetrozellisJab on Sep 7, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
youre right
Just that some minimize the “pound” portion of ground and pound…and that’s what irks people
Activia; now with bullshitifus ridicularus
by salamagogo on Sep 7, 2010 3:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
aie yie yie
The man has a point. Who is responsible for modifying the rules…I’m sure if you took a vote, most would be in favor of a yellow card policy…and fitch would head the anti yellow card movement
Activia; now with bullshitifus ridicularus
by salamagogo on Sep 7, 2010 12:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Fitch vs Thiago no yellow card
I have to admit in the Fitch vs Thiago fight I thought Fitch was active enough on top to not be stood up. It was a semi-boring fitch like Fight but I can’t say that a any one point he wasn’t delivering enough elbows or or punches to warrent a yellow card.
Hardy speaks the truth
Gotta love the guy.
by Lester The Pimp on Sep 7, 2010 12:09 PM EDT reply actions
no.
Try boxing if you don’t want wrestling. I’m sorry, you’re not pearing out a huge part of MMA.
"Now fuck off, I got work to do!" -Cyrus
lol ..
typical answer.
sad… get something new.
"They say the only way to kill a lion is with a rear naked choke. I would just kick it in the head." - Bas Rutten
"Liver, liver, liver, now get drunk" - Bas Rutten
My Fav. Fighters List :)
1 - Alistair Overeem
2 - Wanderlei Silva
3 - Mauricio Rua
4 - Fedor Emelianenko
5 - Gegard Mousasi
6 - Dan Henderson
7 - Takanori Gomi
8 - Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipović
9 - Dan Hardy
10 - Kazushi Sakuraba
Typical response from a shitty wrestler!
His ego was shattered because he got man-handled by a better athlete. Speaking from a life long wrestling standpoint suck it up and learn a new discipline just like the wrestlers had to learn to strike. Control is #1 in a fight. Deal with it and learn instead of crying about it!
spoken like a true non-wrestler
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Way too many people here that fail to read what Hardy is syaing . . .
Read the article. I’ll help you here.
He couldn’t take Dre down or get anything going on the ground. He didn’t want to strike and he didn’t go for any submissions, he just clung to Dre’s thigh like a sailor to a mast during a storm.
- - - - -
VEe is ANIMated!
Sonnen
Actually pounds people when he takes them down. True that he puts himself in harms way of getting subbed, but he’s exciting to watch, unlike some of the L&P queens like Fitch who don’t take any risks to finish fights or at least inflict damage
Agreed; Sonnen has the most active GnP I've seen in recent memory
300+ strikes in a 25 minute fight is not LnP for damn sure.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 7, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Who else thinks?
When LnP’rs like Nik Lents win a fight like he did against Andre Winner which was what Hardy was referring too, do you think he should get fed to the BJ Penn’s and George Sotiropoulos’ of the division?
SCREW YOU!!!
lol
teach em a lesson?
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 7, 2010 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Fucking Crybaby.
As long as a fighter is staying active, even if it isn’t necessarily damaging, potentially fight ending blows then the fight should not be stood up. It’s you phucking job to keep the fight standing Dan. GSP does enough on the ground the majority of the time and he wins. He should have subbed Dan and there is little doubt that if they fought again (although it won’t happen) GSP would sub his ass in the first round.
that is incorrect. these guys are paid to fight and that is their job.
what dan is saying is a fact.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic !
Takedowns and ground and pound is fighting
If you don’t want to get taken down learn how to avoid it. In certain cases a standup is necessary but the majority of the time I disagree.
If wrestling was a strong point for swedish wrestlers(or wherever you're from)
You wouldn’t be saying shit.
North America owns the world, deal with it baby.
sounds like dan is crying because he got beat by gsp. if dan was the better fighter he should of keep it on his feet and not got taking down and goting beat up
by matt138 on Sep 7, 2010 12:21 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
A beautiful dispay of take the striker completely out of their game is much more
exciting to me than a rock em, sock em Leonard Garcia fight. I loved watching Daley get rendered useless by Kos, such an easy win.
Sonnen works very hard..
He just has pillow hands. in the 23 minute fight he had with Silva he threw like 250 more hands then Silva but Sonnen left looking like hamburger while Silva looked pretty much fine.
Riding the Brock Train..
Jon Fitch, Gray Maynard and Chael Sonnen can suck it. If I want a blanket I'll buy it in the store, not on PPV.
GSP and Rashad are getting close to joining this list.
genetics are at play there as well
Anderson is actually a mutant, who can project an invisibe forcefield fractions of a millimeter above his skin, protecting him from any form of damage….sadly, it could not protect his reputation after lackluster performances
Activia; now with bullshitifus ridicularus
by salamagogo on Sep 7, 2010 12:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
In the UFC, you should go for finishes.
why did you go for a finish against GSP Dan? Cause you couldnt do anything! Your tools were completely neutralized by a superior fighter. How can you rag on wresters when it is a form of martial arts that is so dominant
I'm gonna go home, watch DirecTV, drink bud light and ride my Harley Davidson!!
lmfao
‘neutralized by a superior fighter’
he wasnt a fighter in that fight.
"They say the only way to kill a lion is with a rear naked choke. I would just kick it in the head." - Bas Rutten
"Liver, liver, liver, now get drunk" - Bas Rutten
My Fav. Fighters List :)
1 - Alistair Overeem
2 - Wanderlei Silva
3 - Mauricio Rua
4 - Fedor Emelianenko
5 - Gegard Mousasi
6 - Dan Henderson
7 - Takanori Gomi
8 - Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipović
9 - Dan Hardy
10 - Kazushi Sakuraba
I think K-1 is more your style.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
lol.. pplz keep saying k1 is my style..
well u morons it is. (no disrespect to the other ppzl)
like dan said in that interview. fighters should finish fights. not look at the clock and win points and do nothing in a dominant position.
come on. u say k1 is my style.
but who doesnt love an exlosive fight.
if it is mma boxing kickboxing bjj wresteling etc.
its all about the finish.
"They say the only way to kill a lion is with a rear naked choke. I would just kick it in the head." - Bas Rutten
"Liver, liver, liver, now get drunk" - Bas Rutten
My Fav. Fighters List :)
1 - Alistair Overeem
2 - Wanderlei Silva
3 - Mauricio Rua
4 - Fedor Emelianenko
5 - Gegard Mousasi
6 - Dan Henderson
7 - Takanori Gomi
8 - Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipović
9 - Dan Hardy
10 - Kazushi Sakuraba
so the finish needs to happen on the feet?
I'm gonna go home, watch DirecTV, drink bud light and ride my Harley Davidson!!
nope
if its a good bout.. u will never hear a compain from me.
only when they just wrestle to take points. just annoys me. my oppinion.
i wanna see the best fighter of that bout. well rounded fighter..
"They say the only way to kill a lion is with a rear naked choke. I would just kick it in the head." - Bas Rutten
"Liver, liver, liver, now get drunk" - Bas Rutten
My Fav. Fighters List :)
1 - Alistair Overeem
2 - Wanderlei Silva
3 - Mauricio Rua
4 - Fedor Emelianenko
5 - Gegard Mousasi
6 - Dan Henderson
7 - Takanori Gomi
8 - Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipović
9 - Dan Hardy
10 - Kazushi Sakuraba
I'm annoyed by this also
There’s nothing worse than watching a guy spend an entire round holding his opponent against the cage failing to achieve a takedown. But for all those I think wrestling has proven itself to be as exciting as it is boring. When I see a guy like GSP throw a jab, slip a jab, and get a takedown, there’s nothing better. Chael Sonnen also has an exciting, active ground game.
by PetrozellisJab on Sep 7, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
so what were your thoughts during the gsp/hardy fight?
you clearly saw the better, more well rounded fighter dominant the other. so you were pissed that dan didnt do anything, or couldn’t do anything?
I'm gonna go home, watch DirecTV, drink bud light and ride my Harley Davidson!!
well.. the only thing that annoyed me in that bout.
gsp didnt even want to go 10 seconds stand up.
even if his ground game didnt work against hardy.
"They say the only way to kill a lion is with a rear naked choke. I would just kick it in the head." - Bas Rutten
"Liver, liver, liver, now get drunk" - Bas Rutten
My Fav. Fighters List :)
1 - Alistair Overeem
2 - Wanderlei Silva
3 - Mauricio Rua
4 - Fedor Emelianenko
5 - Gegard Mousasi
6 - Dan Henderson
7 - Takanori Gomi
8 - Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipović
9 - Dan Hardy
10 - Kazushi Sakuraba
what i liked
was the 10 seconds gsp was on bottom he was able to get out from under hardy and right back up.
i also liked how Hardy couldnt keep it on the feet for anymore than 10 seconds.
I'm gonna go home, watch DirecTV, drink bud light and ride my Harley Davidson!!
looks like a attack from newfrie
lol.. not in the mood dude.
gsp was just wresle mode that fight … the end. (boring)
and not damaging hardy.. wow.. really the winner …
"They say the only way to kill a lion is with a rear naked choke. I would just kick it in the head." - Bas Rutten
"Liver, liver, liver, now get drunk" - Bas Rutten
My Fav. Fighters List :)
1 - Alistair Overeem
2 - Wanderlei Silva
3 - Mauricio Rua
4 - Fedor Emelianenko
5 - Gegard Mousasi
6 - Dan Henderson
7 - Takanori Gomi
8 - Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipović
9 - Dan Hardy
10 - Kazushi Sakuraba
50-45 on all score cards.
I'm gonna go home, watch DirecTV, drink bud light and ride my Harley Davidson!!
hardy was dryhumped. and was rubber.
didnt u know ?
"They say the only way to kill a lion is with a rear naked choke. I would just kick it in the head." - Bas Rutten
"Liver, liver, liver, now get drunk" - Bas Rutten
My Fav. Fighters List :)
1 - Alistair Overeem
2 - Wanderlei Silva
3 - Mauricio Rua
4 - Fedor Emelianenko
5 - Gegard Mousasi
6 - Dan Henderson
7 - Takanori Gomi
8 - Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipović
9 - Dan Hardy
10 - Kazushi Sakuraba
hardy was manhandled.
I'm gonna go home, watch DirecTV, drink bud light and ride my Harley Davidson!!
manhandled..
correct.
by ur fav GSP. for sure u have some poster in ur room above ur bed.
"They say the only way to kill a lion is with a rear naked choke. I would just kick it in the head." - Bas Rutten
"Liver, liver, liver, now get drunk" - Bas Rutten
My Fav. Fighters List :)
1 - Alistair Overeem
2 - Wanderlei Silva
3 - Mauricio Rua
4 - Fedor Emelianenko
5 - Gegard Mousasi
6 - Dan Henderson
7 - Takanori Gomi
8 - Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipović
9 - Dan Hardy
10 - Kazushi Sakuraba
nope.
above my bed is a beautiful framed picture that says “always kiss me goodnight”. not my choice but my woman loves it.
i wanted one that said “always fuck me goodnight” but oddly she didnt like that as much…?
I'm gonna go home, watch DirecTV, drink bud light and ride my Harley Davidson!!
lmfao.. nice one +1
"They say the only way to kill a lion is with a rear naked choke. I would just kick it in the head." - Bas Rutten
"Liver, liver, liver, now get drunk" - Bas Rutten
My Fav. Fighters List :)
1 - Alistair Overeem
2 - Wanderlei Silva
3 - Mauricio Rua
4 - Fedor Emelianenko
5 - Gegard Mousasi
6 - Dan Henderson
7 - Takanori Gomi
8 - Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipović
9 - Dan Hardy
10 - Kazushi Sakuraba
im not trying to bust your balls man
im at work fucking bored outta my mind.
and you keep responding! we should just get each others phone # and talk about this over the phone
I'm gonna go home, watch DirecTV, drink bud light and ride my Harley Davidson!!
+1
that happens allot here i think. np XD and likewise.. just my oppinion .. and those can be a bitch XD
"They say the only way to kill a lion is with a rear naked choke. I would just kick it in the head." - Bas Rutten
"Liver, liver, liver, now get drunk" - Bas Rutten
My Fav. Fighters List :)
1 - Alistair Overeem
2 - Wanderlei Silva
3 - Mauricio Rua
4 - Fedor Emelianenko
5 - Gegard Mousasi
6 - Dan Henderson
7 - Takanori Gomi
8 - Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipović
9 - Dan Hardy
10 - Kazushi Sakuraba
LMAO...don't know why...
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
in MMA the most well rounded fighter has all tools..ground and standing
if you knew you would double your paycheck with a W…..and the guy you are fighting has no ground game, and a dangerous stand up game….and you have one of the best ground games in the world…what the fuck would you do? try and stand there and bang to make the fans happy? come on
I'm gonna go home, watch DirecTV, drink bud light and ride my Harley Davidson!!
for me... my oppinion as for my training in muay thai
that was way too pussy mode. and they call him #1 pfp
gsp made an boring fight. maybee he was dominant.. but in what… wresteling.. !.
was hardy beat up.. no. did hardy escape every sub attack. yes. did gsp hump… hell yeah.! he just wanna be #1 for himself for his imago in the clubs/
just played it save. doesnt say he was the beter Fighter.
"They say the only way to kill a lion is with a rear naked choke. I would just kick it in the head." - Bas Rutten
"Liver, liver, liver, now get drunk" - Bas Rutten
My Fav. Fighters List :)
1 - Alistair Overeem
2 - Wanderlei Silva
3 - Mauricio Rua
4 - Fedor Emelianenko
5 - Gegard Mousasi
6 - Dan Henderson
7 - Takanori Gomi
8 - Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipović
9 - Dan Hardy
10 - Kazushi Sakuraba
your defintion of fighter just means someone who throws hands?
I'm gonna go home, watch DirecTV, drink bud light and ride my Harley Davidson!!
This
and…how many finishes does Dan have? Oh, that’s right, he has the exact number of finishes as dimensions to his fighting game. One.
by PetrozellisJab on Sep 7, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
not talking about dan
im talking about in mma.
"They say the only way to kill a lion is with a rear naked choke. I would just kick it in the head." - Bas Rutten
"Liver, liver, liver, now get drunk" - Bas Rutten
My Fav. Fighters List :)
1 - Alistair Overeem
2 - Wanderlei Silva
3 - Mauricio Rua
4 - Fedor Emelianenko
5 - Gegard Mousasi
6 - Dan Henderson
7 - Takanori Gomi
8 - Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipović
9 - Dan Hardy
10 - Kazushi Sakuraba
Agreed Newfie
Maybe he should spend his time plugging his holes up instead of whining. You never see quotes like this shit from GSP, he’s to busy getting better.
by Adam T. on Sep 7, 2010 12:35 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Maybe he should spend his time plugging his holes up instead of whining
There has to have been a better way to word that . . .
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
plugging his holes is what he should be doing, instead of whining
I'm gonna go home, watch DirecTV, drink bud light and ride my Harley Davidson!!
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH....
+1,000,000,000
What I’ve been saying forever.
Undisputed Sig Bet Champion on the TitoOrtiz/Fight Pros forums!!
BJ Penn, best P4P fighter on the planet. I'll still stand by that all day long, bitches.
Always have respected Shogun Rua.
8-7-10 Anderson Silva was destroyed and exposed.
R.I.P. Dime and Ryan Gracie.
From the unified rules...
13: 46-24A.13 Judging
(c ) Judges shall evaluate mixed martial arts techniques, such as effective striking, effective grappling, control of the fighting area, effective aggressiveness and defense.
Wrestling, even without doing anything else, encompasses 3 of the 5 scoring criteria listed in the unified rules. While I am not a proponent of the Nik Lentz form of wrestling, ie TD followed by nothing, Lentz still wins because he controls 3 of the 5 scoring criteria based upon how the rules are written. What we have is a huge gray area that needs to be addressed by the athletic commissions. How do we change it, I am not sure, and here is why…
Stand-ups – LEntz took Winner down, at-will, and did nothing. In the case of the ref standing them up, I see nothing changing in this match, other than Lentz getting MORE TD’s and therefore winning an even easier decision.
Yellow card – in a sport where winning is everything (don’t believe me, ask Keith Jardine), most wrestler/fighters, IMHO, would happily forgo 20% of their purse in order to “guarantee” that they get another fight in the octagon. Who wants to fight for Shine (and possibly not get paid) when you can get 6k+6k, plus sponsor money, from the UFC?
Change the rules – By changing the rules, you would have to revamp almost all of the scoring criteria that has been in place since inception. Wrestlers, by definition only, almost always win grappling, aggression (TD’s are by definition, aggressive) and octagon control. How can you justifiably change the rules to eliminate this?
I honestly don’t know, but am confident fighters like Anthony Pettis, who beat DIV I national champ Shane Roller in a WEC match, continue to improve upon their TD Defense and ability to transition in the grappiling game and nullify the advantage that wrestling has today. This shoulda been a fanpost. Sorry for the length.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
just... wow
ty for the info i guess. XD
"They say the only way to kill a lion is with a rear naked choke. I would just kick it in the head." - Bas Rutten
"Liver, liver, liver, now get drunk" - Bas Rutten
My Fav. Fighters List :)
1 - Alistair Overeem
2 - Wanderlei Silva
3 - Mauricio Rua
4 - Fedor Emelianenko
5 - Gegard Mousasi
6 - Dan Henderson
7 - Takanori Gomi
8 - Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipović
9 - Dan Hardy
10 - Kazushi Sakuraba
My dilemma...
is that there is not a current viable solution, or it would have been incorporated.
I believe it is up to the fighters themselves to police this. You either learn TDD or you keep getting smothered by wrestlers. Seems simple in practice, but how many guys in the gym can truly replicate the speed and strength of GSP or Sonnen? Okami did a good job versus Munoz by training with Sonnen…maybe that is the key. Be humble enough to ask your vanquisher for help.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
sure bring in the yellow card rule..
but i don’t think that one would have been played in the 25 min fight you had with gsp…yes he smothered you and neutralized your power..so what..was it safe..yeah..does he still have the belt…what dan is saying is kinda like asking a superior striker to tie one hand behind his back so that the fight would be even with a lesser striker…in mma you have to be prepared for ALL aspects of the game..and wrestling is most def a big part…do i enjoy watching a blanket fest..not so much…but it does work and if the fighter is actually trying to ground n pound from the top..or go for subs..it does not bother me as much…
"superior striker to tie one hand behind his back"
i don’t know why, but this reminds me of gracie’s fight with that guy that had one boxing glove on lol
Quit whining and learn how to fight on the ground!
This is getting sickening, standup guys lose cause they are not well rounded and all they have to fall back on is “wrestling is lame”. I for one think GSP is very exciting and is always busy trying something. LOOK AT THE PICTURE, IM SURE THATS GSP’S ELBOW UPSIDE THE HEAD OF THIS CLOWN!!! He certainly isnt just laying there. Ive said it before and will say it again, if you want to watch guys standup and fight then go watch boxing. You need to get it through your head that ground fightin is huge in MMA and if you cant do it you will get owned. Ask Paul Daley, Dan Hardy etc. standup guys that cant fight on the ground, quit whining or go away or something.
I like Hardy but he is just like BJ,
when he loses he whines about it, not to mention he is just a mouthy prick anyways.
K1 is great as well.
Go watch it and quit whining! I watch K1 because it entertains me, I dont whine because they stanup to much. This argumentt is fucking joke! get over it!
+100
finaly some1 who knows… too many wreslte maniacs here. getting way too bitchy XD
"They say the only way to kill a lion is with a rear naked choke. I would just kick it in the head." - Bas Rutten
"Liver, liver, liver, now get drunk" - Bas Rutten
My Fav. Fighters List :)
1 - Alistair Overeem
2 - Wanderlei Silva
3 - Mauricio Rua
4 - Fedor Emelianenko
5 - Gegard Mousasi
6 - Dan Henderson
7 - Takanori Gomi
8 - Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipović
9 - Dan Hardy
10 - Kazushi Sakuraba
but you whine cause there is too much ground.
I'm gonna go home, watch DirecTV, drink bud light and ride my Harley Davidson!!
nope
dont mind it.. just dont lay and do nothing
"They say the only way to kill a lion is with a rear naked choke. I would just kick it in the head." - Bas Rutten
"Liver, liver, liver, now get drunk" - Bas Rutten
My Fav. Fighters List :)
1 - Alistair Overeem
2 - Wanderlei Silva
3 - Mauricio Rua
4 - Fedor Emelianenko
5 - Gegard Mousasi
6 - Dan Henderson
7 - Takanori Gomi
8 - Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipović
9 - Dan Hardy
10 - Kazushi Sakuraba
btw
for sure u never heard of Kazushi Sakuraba ..
he never did ground game… lmfao
"They say the only way to kill a lion is with a rear naked choke. I would just kick it in the head." - Bas Rutten
"Liver, liver, liver, now get drunk" - Bas Rutten
My Fav. Fighters List :)
1 - Alistair Overeem
2 - Wanderlei Silva
3 - Mauricio Rua
4 - Fedor Emelianenko
5 - Gegard Mousasi
6 - Dan Henderson
7 - Takanori Gomi
8 - Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipović
9 - Dan Hardy
10 - Kazushi Sakuraba
btw
for sure u never heard of Kazushi Sakuraba ..
he never did ground game… lmfao
"They say the only way to kill a lion is with a rear naked choke. I would just kick it in the head." - Bas Rutten
"Liver, liver, liver, now get drunk" - Bas Rutten
My Fav. Fighters List :)
1 - Alistair Overeem
2 - Wanderlei Silva
3 - Mauricio Rua
4 - Fedor Emelianenko
5 - Gegard Mousasi
6 - Dan Henderson
7 - Takanori Gomi
8 - Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipović
9 - Dan Hardy
10 - Kazushi Sakuraba
you should probably read HH's first posts...he is against what you are saying.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
I think there should be a 5 second rule...
IF the guy on top is laying for 5 seconds without causing any damage they should be stood up…Its boring..for example maynard vs florian..yes Florian fought a horrible fight .but it looks like if you have greatt wrestling and an ok sub defense you will do well.
And if two guys circle each other for 5 seconds and don't throw a punch...
They should lie them both down?
So...
It’s too hard to learn defensive wrestling, let’s change the rules for the brits that won’t come train here?
Fuck off, Dan Hardy. I used to like you but you cry too much.
agreed…. if youre gonna make it so easy for wrestlers and not train it then stop crying. james toney might agree with Hardy….wonder what hardy would do if he had to fight someone with toney’s striking caliber?….work on his wrestling, try to lay and pray his way to victory?
I do a lot of jacking off, ya know, because I don’t get no women, so these arms are, like, humongously big. See it’s workout, and it’s pleasure.._" Charles Bennett
"He who fights and runs away lives to fight another day and looks like a ***** today." -Tank Abbott.
Instant Bitch status.
I mean, if I had 5 chances to ko somebody and couldn’t do anything while getting manhandled and almost having my arms broken, I’d want the rules changed too.
by PetrozellisJab on Sep 7, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Bullshit from hardy, he cries about wrestling because he sucks at it. Good wrestlers may take guys down a lot, but they
Also get up when they get put on their backs. That’s why two good wrestlers often end up in standup wars. Wrestling isn’t the problem, lack of wrestling is. It is obviously a dominating fighting form.
by Conan the Barbarian on Sep 7, 2010 2:19 PM EDT reply actions
lol
And hardy has how many big finishes in the UFC? lol….someone said it best “easier to complain about it than train for it”
It's Called Mixed Martial Arts!!!
Will someone tell Hardy that this is MMA and not Boxing. He sounds like someone that can’t fight on the ground. It’s Mixed Martial Arts d*ck! Learn how to defend it sometime.
GSP goes for finishes
in the hardy gsp fight gsp almost finished him with the kimura so i dont know what hardys talking about
Too many people taking his comments too personally
Is he referencing GSP directly when he’s talking about lnp? No. i don’t think so. He’s always said in their fight GSP was trying to go for the sub all the time. He didn’t just lay there. also, he was being told by his corner to stay in guard. One thing GSP does is follow a gmeplan to the T. Forget about GSP with this quote.
Are there one dimensional wrestlers who are happy to wall n stall, lnp etc and make for nullified boring matches? Yes.
Rashad Evans anyone? May fool some people around here but it aint fooling me
A burning passion from a burning mass reaches up for the sky
by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Sep 7, 2010 5:23 PM EDT reply actions
Not enough Skill for Dan Hardly (has a chance)
Dan Hardy doesn’t have the skill to dictate the pace and control of a fight. He cannot stop a takedown, he cannot prevent a wrestler from imposing his will. GSP did not start out as a wrestler but he learned it and now is one of the most feared wrestlers in the sport. Hardy realizes that he will never be as good on the ground so he needs to make excuses. Yes a fight is a fight! so if you can’t fight your fight then learn how to fight your opponents fight. And if you can’t do that then do kick boxing or muai tai and get out of MMA. Hardy, Daley, Bisbing, these guys can’t compete with wrestlers so the have to complain about wresting. Daley was so frustrated that he couldn’t keep the fight standing that he got himself kicked out of the ufc. Hardly (has a chance) couldn’t defend the take down and total domination. Bisbing was lucky enough that Henderson didn’t take it to the ground but he didn’t have to. Bisbing got beat by his own game. Bottom line is learn the sport of MIXED martial arts or compete in local tough man contests but stop bitching because you are not good enough. You only shame your country and embarrass yourself.
Basically you are just contradicting yourself....
Am I wrong? Because if it’s just wrestling then it’s not “mixed” martial arts, is it?
by freedomthrtyfve on Sep 7, 2010 5:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Again the ineptitude of posters on this site is staggering....
As mr hairy forever has just said, the use of wrestling to negate any action is wrong, and does not constitute a fight. It’s not a case of wrestling being bad for mma either, it’s an important tool, but when it’s used to win a “fight” by means of " control" then it’s not a fight
by freedomthrtyfve on Sep 7, 2010 5:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I agree, it can be a little annoying
but, at the end of the day, it boils down to, learning to defend the TD, and learning how to get back to your feet. i know this is Ultimate Fighting, but you have to remember that that’s their discipline, wrestling is about pinning your guy down, controlling him. You can’t tell somebody that their style of fighting is not allowed. That’s like telling a Muay Thai guy that, he can’t just do stand up, this is mixed martial arts, you have to go to the ground…i mean come on. I know it’s boring when a guy just holds someone down just to get a decision, but that’s how they fight, and if you don’t have anything for it, then you need to go back to the gym…..not cry about how he’s scared to fight you……come on, man up.
Well, they could...
If they wanted to they could disallow wrestling. It’s not like the rules are a sacred code chiseled in stone. UFC is an entertainment business, and the fighters are just as much entertainers as they are fighters. The real question is whether more people would watch and enjoy UFC if there was less LnP wrestling. If more people would, then a rule change/ reevaluation is a good idea. If wrestlers would feel alienated, well, that’s business. It would really be better just to have a poll rather than a debate about this.
I'm apologizing in advance for not reading everyone's comments so i'm certain i'm repeating a very obvious point
Didn’t GSP just about rip Hardy’s arm off at one point? Not just put him in an armbar but flat out rip the wing off, and use it as a bat? Or a hockey stick since he’s Canadian? He dominated Hardy and would do it again.
I'm too stupid to think of anything clever to put here.
to each their own
I am sure that I’m not the only one that recalls
when MMA was not much more that Tough Man meets BJJ
and as a former wrestler and boxer
I actually enjoy seeing mlti-skillset foes go at it
seeing who wins on their feet
who outwrestles the other on the mat
who works for a sub
and who positions for a GNP.
Hardy feels his best chance is puching
so he is whining that everyone should stand and punch.
Hey novel idea! Why doesn’t he go into boxing if that is all he can/will do?
or he could do it the hard/legit way
and learn some new skills
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