New York Assemblyman Bob Reilly explains anti-MMA stance on HDNet's 'Inside MMA' (Video)
by Jesse Holland on Sep 4, 2010 9:57 AM EDT
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Boxing is more dangerous than MMA
Here’s yet another law maker sheltering people from life, thereby alleviating the responsibility of the parents to teach their children when “violence” is appropriate and when it is not. Guys like this are the reason that there is so much violence in the world. Fucking retard.
Agreed
knocking someone down and then giving them the chance to get back up is stupid because they are not going to be fully recovered after and 8 count. I think this creates long term damage.
Less violence? screw that I want knees and kicks to the face of a downed opponent to be brought back
Arm.bar.bandit saw me slow dancing with Anderson Silva. I had my hands on his ass.
The repeated knockdowns are a big part of it,
the other part is the pillows they punch with decreasing the ability of a one-punch KO (which isn’t nearly as harmful as most people believe), resulting in repeated flurries and impacts, where one might have been enough. with smaller gloves.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
Yeah and as far as Football Goes if you want to keep the violence out
I guess the Giants and Jets will be playing Flag Football from hear on out? I have played a decade of football and college ball and have trained MMA. I will tell ya which one was more violent and harder on my body on a daily basis. Football was by far more violent and damaging. That is not to say MMA is easier, NOT AT ALL but as far as violence goes.
by Edgecrusher71 on Sep 4, 2010 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Makes some legitimate claims..
But the data doesn’t lie. For example the UFC has less severe injuries and deaths then boxing(by a large margin).. Which is allowed..
It’s like telling people you can’t smoke weed.. But have all the cocaine you want.
^^THIS^^
Never tell your problems to anyone...20% don't care and the other 80% are glad you have them.
by Jamie The Peach Hunter on Sep 4, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I gotta disagree
I don’t think he makes a single legitimate point.
First, I don;t want to turn this into a stupid Democrat/Republican argument, because they have both made ignorant claims when it comes to MMA. With that said, this is a classic case of government knows best, and Reilly is highly hypocrytical in that regard as well
1. He says “we” don’t want to highlight violence because it begats more violence. Well who is “we”? (rhetorical question) And, who says it’s their job to tell us what we can or can’t see, simply because it MIGHT make us do something violent? Is he serious? I watched “Punisher, War Zone” the other day, and I don’t have the urge to go rip the head off an old woman that happens to be the head of crime syndicate. If he really believes this, then he would have to call for an end to literally all violent movies and TV shows. It’s kind of surprising that he is even using this as part of his argument.
2. The whole “protecting the fighter” claim is the MOST hypocrytical. Like seatbelt, and helmet laws, this is just stupid. Okay, forget how you feel about abortion one way or the other for a minute. A woman (as Reilly supports) can choose to end a pregnancy for whatever reason she chooses, and as young as 12 yrs old, because “it is her body, and she can do with it as she chooses”. If this is acceptable, then grown men, trained in their respective arts should also be able to “do with their body as they choose”.
3. The “intent of the sport” claim is retarded as well. I challenge anyone to go into any locker room before a football game (highschool to pro) and find one team that isn’t in there jacking each other up to go out there and take someone’s head off. Fighting is allowed in Hockey, Boxing is fighting, and the intent is to KNOCK OUT your opponent.
Reilly is all over the place, and once again shows the stupidity and arrogance of our elected officialls. (regardless of whether your sittin on a donkey or an elephant)
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
I love it Jrandolph
You are right on the money. Reilly is a political tool much like John Mc Cain is on the right. Self righteous indignation is a form of narcissism. Im tired of the politician trying to save me from myself.
If Russia attacked Turkey from the rear, Do you think Greece would help?
John McCain actually is no longer against MMA
Actually in 2008 he more or less said he doesn’t have a huge problem with it anymore.
“They’ve cleaned it up. It’s not my favorite sport, but I think it’s in compliance now with most of the things we would approve of.”
Yes, he nearly killed the sport, but since revisiting the issue after the advent of the Unified Rules and all the regulations that have come with it to make it a legitimate sport, McCain has been pretty reasonable. Reilly is the only guy being delusional today.
Like seatbelt, and helmet laws, this is just stupid
Why are these laws stupid? By making it a law it saves more lives. That’s not to say everyone follows this law, but more people “buckle up” because it’s enforced by the system. It’s protecting people from themselves.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
Ok, I see you recanted below. No worries
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
Actually, you didn't.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
If we had it your way, someone in authority — or anyone for that matter — wouldn’t be obliged to stop a suicidal person from ending his own life based on the fact that it’s his own body.
As I said, sometimes people need to be protected from themselves. Enforcing this law saves lives, there is no disputing this. What reason would possibly supercede such a benefit? Option 1: Lives being saved; versus Option 2 and 3: mere inconvenience; or incongruity in the system. I’ll go with Option 1.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
I get it, the seatbelt thing threw everyone off, it's just my opnion regarding "protecting us from us"
…and that is exactly one of his points in arguing against MMA. “Protecting the fighters from themselves” And one’s legal obligation to help a suicidal person is based on the actions of the person helping, as he is sworn to do.
A biker could make the same argument for not wearing a helmet that Marcus Davis might use for defending his right to let guys line up to crack his skull opoen on a regular basis. “I’m of legal age, it’s my body, and I’ll take the risk” My point is, if we as a society are willing to let government dictate every action we take that might hurt us, we can’t really be upset or surpised when they want to outlaw a sport where guys are putting theselves in harms way. With this theory, you would have to say Reilly makes a good case and we should outlaw MMA. There’s a huge difference in government protecting us from other people’s dangerous behaviour, but really where do you stop, when attempting to protect us from ourselves?
A law banning fried food might save more lives, a law banning smoking might save more lives, a law banning alcohol might save more lives, a law banning driving cars might even save more lives. Yes, of course those are stupid ideas, because nobody would pay attention or abide by them, but if we are simply going to pass legislation to save us from ourselves, then we must follow it all the way through it’s logical course. But “they” won’t because there is too much money tied to all of the above mentioned. Meaning there is a HUGE disconnect with things that actually do cause far more deaths than helmets or seatbelts, which means “they” are deciding what is and what is not harmful to us? It doesn’t add up. So why pick on a sport that has proven to be well regulated, and no more dangerous than boxing, but you will walk by people suckin down cancer stick all day long? It’s all too arbitrary for me.
Look, if these types of laws were passed as ballot initiatives, voted on by the actual residents of any given state or county, as opposed to either court rulings, or lame duck legislators, I’d at least feel better about it. As with the MMA rulings in NY, I think they should get it on as a ballot initiative (if that’s even possible) and let the people decide. If the people of NY want no part of MMA, so be it, but if they do, let them have it. As I stated before, NOT wearing a seatbelt while driving, or a helmet, while riding a bike is really stupid and deadly (IMO) but so is smoking (which I hate), but if someone wants to light up, and fill their lungs with cancer, it’s really none of my business.
I’m sorry if I have overshadowed my ultimate goal in pointing out the lack of common sense with Reilly’s position. Truth is, one way or the other, people are gonna ride their Harleys bare headed, and people are gonna kick the crap out of each other, whether NY approves it or not. The question is will NY ever make a dime of the fortunes that are now pouring into the MMA world?
Maybe not.
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
So in boxing ur not trying to damage ur opponent... OK Gotta yah... DICK!!!
Never tell your problems to anyone...20% don't care and the other 80% are glad you have them.
by Jamie The Peach Hunter on Sep 4, 2010 10:08 AM EDT reply actions
Or how about professional football?
I mean, talk about violence incarnate.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
I hate this man
Everything he said can be easily thrown out by nearly any fan with a decent amount of MMA knowledge or a basic understanding of sports.
Dont worry guys.All these polictians are growing older and will die off
Meanwhile OUR sport grows bigger and bigger with each new year. I hate these public figures preaching this and that just trying to get votes for their next election.I bet this mother fucker could’nt give 2 shit about the public safety,just his own ass.
I like bacon...and Rashad Evans is a pussy
In a weird way tho it kind of help get our sport notest.
Think about it if u heard about a sport that was so “violent” that they wont legalise it in some states. Would u not be at all curesus about it and maybe try and see what the big fuss is about. Cause if u are anything like me and i assume u are u will know it only takes one good fight to get u hooked on our beloved sport.
Never tell your problems to anyone...20% don't care and the other 80% are glad you have them.
by Jamie The Peach Hunter on Sep 4, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Curious *
Never tell your problems to anyone...20% don't care and the other 80% are glad you have them.
by Jamie The Peach Hunter on Sep 4, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Speaking of being hooked..I seen my first UFC when I was a teenager
A lot of ppl might bash me or make fun of me for this but the fight that got me hooked was none other than D.L. “Tank” Abbott vs John Matua…Ever since then, I knew I was gonna love it just as mush as I do Pro football.
I like bacon...and Rashad Evans is a pussy
Nothing wrong with Tank being your first MMA hook.
He was hilarious, and I enjoyed when he entered the scene.
Shit, I’ve been watching these things since the first UFC, and I’m not sure I’ve seen an entrant that I thought would hurt the sport’s potential or upward mobility.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
Then we have to ban...
Going by this guy’s arguement that the violence in MMA will only lead to violence in society, we will have to also ban:
1. boxing
2. kick-boxing
3. hockey
4. football
5. baseball (look at the giant brawl in the Marlins game the other night)
6. basketball (Ron Artest)
7. any movie with violence (Iron Man, The Godfather)
8. any tv show with violence (Burn Notice, Law and Order)
9. any comic books with violence (Superman, X-Men)
10. any songs with violent lyrics (Hey Joe, Bad bad Leroy Brown)
Looks like if we are going to ban anything that is violent, MMA isn’t the only thing that has to go.
I've never been impressed with that show,
but I realize I’m in the minority. Too many easy outs for the writers, resetting their position each episode (certainly in an effort to appease the syndication gurus) and too much of a PG flavor for my tastes.
I enjoy the acting, though. Pretty good stuff there.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
New York Assemblyman Bob Reilly is a piece of shit.
MMA may actually help bring up the capital needed to clean up this fucking disgusting ghetto trash of NYC.
The problem is that hhe makes excellent points to people who knoww NOTHING about MMA... ie.NYC Senate
99% of the old republicans never have watched MMA and if they have the only thing they remember is UFC 1 type stuff. So when this jackoff goes on his retartded anti-mma rant. They feed into it like their oxygen machines.
What a piece of shit.
Ignorant fucks like Reilly run/ruin the world.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
he does make some good points, but while blatently(sp) ignoring others...
yes you can hurt a grounded oppenent, but you can also defend from that ground. its not as if your back is on the ground and you have to just let your opponent hit you. and then there BJJ, which ive heard arguments that its more effective from the back. (after training, i personally believe top is better but everyone is different and most are deffinatly more flexible than me).
then, i agree with RayRay and James the Peach ^, boxing is sooooo much more damaging. most fighter interviews that ive heard about being rocked or KO’d say that they dont remember anything until minutes after or when they get back to the locker room. thats crazyness if you’re going to let a fighter keep fighting after he just got knocked down and couldnt pass a highway alcohol test.
im at work right now and cant do the research but id love to know the specific numbers, if anyone has the time on their hands??
Well
He makes a lot of cute metaphors and philosophical arguments, but he did not state even ONE valid scientific point on the dangers of MMA vs. other sports such as football, boxing etc.
Keep going with your pseudo philosophical approach Riley. MMA is here to stay whether or not it fits into your moralistic paradigm.
by ImmortalTechnique92 on Sep 4, 2010 11:02 AM EDT reply actions
I dont think you can change these people
You’re either a fight-fan or you’re not.
You can’t change their opinion by showing how much the sport has changed from the early years. They just see a fight as barbaric, they dont see the technical aspect and respect behind it. They just see two men trying to kill eachother, nothing more. Most of these people are shocked when guys embrace after a fight (because they think the fighters hate eachother). It’s not personal, there’s no feelings. In fact, its quite the opposite. There’s nothing like putting everything you have out there against another human, there’s no stronger bond.
I find myself constantly trying to explain the beauty of the sport to ppl all the time. It gets fuckin annoying. I only know about 3 people who are passionate about MMA and martial arts. Everyone else, is a very casual fan or is against the sport. Im just an addict.
Using no way as way, having no limitation as limitation.
Thats the thing
Even in a regular fight all the time as a kid I would hate the person before, but after sharing a common experience like mutual combat, even if I didn’t like them I still gain respect for them. You can’t really explain it. It’s almost a primal feeling that you get when you share a battle with someone. MMA most of the time you don’t hate the guy and it is just business, but you get those same almost unexplainable feelings after a fight.
by ImmortalTechnique92 on Sep 4, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree with his assessment of liking violence
which is why people watch it…I actually dont like violent movies… or anything violent, I watch MMA because I think its the most fascinating sport ever!! Its the most naturalistic way of determining who the smarter and stronger man is…Breaking one’s will and over coming defeat has been around since the beginning of time…I see it as a sport, never as a means to get excited about violence…
Sad, but true.
I wonder why this general angle doesn’t get brought up more often?
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
you want to take the violence out of mma?
wtf kind of statement is that? then to say that the nfl is trying to take violence/injuries out of the equation is just as ridiculous. and in football the point of the OFFENSE is to get the ball into the inzone/through the goal posts, but the DEFENSES job is to tackle and stop whoever has the ball on the other team as quick as possible, which is usually done in rather violent fashion.
never have any regrets, because at the time, thats all you wanted to do
Bob Reily
Sounds like he would want to turn an NFL game into a pillow fight and boxing match into a ticklefest.
by ImmortalTechnique92 on Sep 4, 2010 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I can just see it,
we play touch football for $8million/year. That’s gonna rake in the viewers.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
MMA
Most states in the USA have sanctioned it! Half the world has sanctioned it!……But it’s to violent for the state of NY? Give me a f^&king break!
Yeah, freedom died in the USA
a long time ago.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
I presume he meant the UK
Only thing dark, dank and depressing is the weather and even that depends on where you live. Every democratic country has a moron elected who tries to impose laws that people disagree with, the US is no different to us or Sweden in that regard.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
New York Assemblyman Bob Reilly is a piece of shit.
I wonder how much is the boxing mafia paying him to try to stop MMA. Violence? Are you fucking kidding me? Is a combat sport in a control environment that is no more violent than boxing. He is a corrupted piece of shit.
I love how he ended the interview with....
how MMA is the only sport where the objective is to damage your opponent. Like Boxing isn’t? I never knew the objective in boxing was beating your opponent in a game of charades and scrabble like he makes it sound. Also, the NFL only started with the safety first BS when the retired players and their families sued the shit out of the league for all of their body difficulties and problems now and being under compensated for it.
SCREW YOU!!!
I didn't say wearing either of them was stupid
But government dictating their use is. How does a seat belt or helmet law make any more sense than trying to keep a guy from fighting because he might get hurt? I agree, seatbelts and helmets are a good idea. In fact, I think that people that go without either are idiots, but that’s my opinion. My point is, in a world, where a 12 year old can walk down to the local clinic, without her parents ever knowing a thing, and have a major medical procedure to abort a pregnancy, all under the premise that “it’s her body”, why do we not let grown adults choose to go without seat belts, or helmets for the same reason being “it’s their body”?
I get citing parents or drivers for not buckling up a minor in the vehicle with them, but for real, we let grown men and women drink until their livers explode, smoke until their lungs, collapse, eat Big Macs until their hearts give out…but you gotta wear a seat belt?Granted, they will probably get to those other three pretty soon, and I believe they are getting warmed up. Look, I’m just trying to make point. Sooner or later, we have to get off the tit, and we have to realize, we just don’t need Daddy Government for every thing.
Sorry for the rant
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
How does a seat belt or helmet law make any more sense than trying to keep a guy from fighting because he might get hurt?
It makes perfect sense because having safety rules for driving is as applicable for having any kind of rules in MMA. Otherwise we would just have two guys fighting in a cage with no limitations or precautions laid out, just as these same limitations are applied to driving a car. I think that is a better way to look at it anyway, in order to make a proper comparison.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
By the way — sorry, I’m not trying to bait you, I just thought it was an interesting point you brought up, even if I do disagree.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
No problem
It’’s a fair debate. As I stated up top, if actual voters are able to way in on these rulings, I’m all for it. Anyway…Reilly still sucks!
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
I think we can all agree that wearing helmets and seatbelts is the sensible thing to do
It’s laughable that there had to be laws made to stop morons from not wearing them and even more laughable that some of these said morons continue to not wear a helmet or a seatbelt. I find it very worrying that some people need the government to tell them how to live because they lack the common sense to not put their lives at risk.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
Idiot politician
Is he saying that football doesn’t have violence, i don’t think he’s even watched football. He apparently has never seen a guy get tackled or trucked. Guy’s be getting carried out on stretchers, breaking bones. A well spoken dumb guy…..they all are. And violence isn’t the reason why i watch mma, it’s the competitiveness between two guy’s or women that they have been training hard for and watching the mutual respect that is magically created after it’s all said and done………….this guy is a REAL IDIOT!
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