UFC Quick Quote: Frankie Edgar doesn't want to fight
by FQJMMA on Sep 3, 2010 9:04 PM EDT
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"People finishing fights is a big topic right now and that’s how I fight. You look at Frankie in both fights with B.J. and it seems that no one wants to fight right now. Fans see these guys like Edgar or these other bouncy wrestler types and fans are like "oh…he fights you everywhere," when in reality they don’t fight you anywhere! They just want to hit you three or four times, shoot in for a takedown, stay on the ground for a minute or so then get back up. They want to wear you down because they don’t want to fight you on the ground either."
-- Cole Miller (pictured above) tells BJPenn.com that he's not too impressed with fighters who "bounce" and takedown their opponents, including UFC Lightweight Champion Frankie Edgar. "The Answer" has been able to solve all of his opponents inside the Octagon -- a hit list that includes BJ Penn (twice) -- with the exception of a bigger, stronger version of himself, Gray Maynard. Edgar is willing to stand and trade, leveraging his fancy footwork, but he floats in and out, picks his shots and looks for takedowns. He's certainly not a brawler, but a more intelligent mixed martial artist who uses his strength (wrestling) to carry him to victory. Is Edgar, and all of the other fighters who "bounce," really avoiding a fight at the expense of fan enjoyment or just doing what needs to be done, knowing that the stoppages will eventually follow? For the record, Miller has finished 14 (more than 85 percent) of his 16 professional wins. Edgar? Nearly 40 percent (five out of 13).
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Amen Cole
August 28th was an emotional day for me. Two events occurred that brought me to my knees:
1. BJ Penn lost to Frankie Edgar for the second time, proving to me that he is nowhere near the caliber of man that I made him out to be.
2. I found out that the cardio portion of Frankie Edgar’s training camp consisted of Frankie banging my mom while the arm.bar.bandit played the spanish guitar and sang "Eye of the tiger" by Survivor.
bouncy wrestlers like Efrain Escudaro?
Vitor is coming. Somebody better polish up that MW belt.
Okami = Lindland & Franklin
Nope, not Amen
You know that damned overrated Ali bounced and weaved his way to many victories, he didn’t fight anyone anywhere either huh?
by Edgecrusher71 on Sep 4, 2010 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn! Imagine fighters wanting to win a fight rather than impress Cole Fucking Miller!
I know if I was a pro MMA fighter I would enter the octagon thinking “How can I impress Cole Fucking Miller tonight?”. I know I would get a lot of questions like “Who?” and “umm who?” from people, but screw them. I want to impress COLE FUCKING MILLER!
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Sep 3, 2010 10:13 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Thank you.
Bottom line is, if you’re the superior fighter, you will win the fight, ‘[bouncing around’ or not.
It’s certainly not like Edgar/Fitch-types are unstoppable. Their fighting technique prolongs the fight, leaving themselves vulnerable to fighters who excel at finishing (the Sonnen-Silva fight is a prime example).
I admit to hating watching Fitch fight, But I know that he is showing great technique and he’s not going to beat the best (GSP for ex) just by being able to ‘lay n’ prey’.
"in this day and age of "let's erect a statue"-isn't it time Jerry Reinsdorf is honored" - The Swirsk
by RogersPark Kris on Sep 3, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
i think it's more complicated.
If an olympic level gold medalist with just enough bjj knowledge to stay out of trouble fights any UFC fighter, he will likely dominate. I wouldn’t call him the best fighter, though. He’d just be the best wrestler.
and wrestling is part of MMA, as is takedown defense, BJJ (including from bottom), etc. If a one-trick pony can dominate using that one trick – that’s on his opponents. Why would an olympic level gold medalist decide to stand and box? Unless someones name is Jorge Gurgel – they should do what they need to win. The opponent should try to foil it.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
I agree with that.
As much as I do not always like to watch it, if the opponent is no capable of stopping them fighting their fight, then it is down to them, and they should go back to the gym and train harder until they can. As much as it is the fault of the wrestler, it is as much the fault of the opponent for their lack of skills and ability to stop it from happening. And Frankie does mix it up quite a bit and being that he is one of the smallest guys in his division and the majority are guys are probably physically stronger than him, he would be a fool to fight any other way. Jon Fitch is one of the biggest guys in his division, he really doesn’t have any excuse. Fighters know that you will not get cut for boring wins, and you have a guaranteed regular paycheck, you cannot always say the same for exciting losses. I agree with most though that wrestlers using their skills and strengths, should not get rewarded more by the judges than non wrestlers.
by Ade on Sep 4, 2010 2:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if this is just an attempt at getting his excuse in early...
for when Pearson kicks his ass.
Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Quarry : Serra : Wandy : Pulver : Alvarez
Why is cole miller talking?
That is my only question.
by mma guru on Sep 3, 2010 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I love that this nobody isn’t impressed with the guy who dominated BJ Penn – twice.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Because he was the one who said it?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
So cole miller is a bum
He has no place talkin shit right now
I kind of agree.
I’m a big fan of the sport. I know a lot about it. But nibble on this thought experiment.
Hypothetical situation: Olympic gold medal champion learns just enough bjj to stay out of trouble. He enters MMA. What will happen? He will dominate by pure take downs.
I’d like to see take downs and LnP weighed a lot less heavily in the score cards for this reason.
I agree.
Also I’d like to see them stood up sooner… however when all other things are equal, the guy with the most takedowns will get the Octogon control and decision…. In Freestyle wrestling if the top guy is not able to turn their opponent right away, they are stood up again.
“Hypothetical situation: Olympic gold medal champion learns just enough bjj to stay out of trouble. He enters MMA. What will happen? He will dominate by pure take downs.”
His opponent should learn takedown defense, which is also part of MMA. I agree about the scorecards (and would love to see the pride yellow cards), but you can’t seriously be upset that a wrestler uses his wrestling to win.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Again, get mad at the opponent for not having an answer, or the rules/orginization for not having better ‘stalling’ rules.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Fighting to win is gaming the system? lol ok
You hear that wrestlers? If you use wrestling to win, you’re “gaming the system”.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
It is easy to game the current system. You can do nothing just take someone down. Let them up. Dance around for a few min. Take them down. Let them back up. Do you really deserve to win in that instance?
If the opponent does even less, then yes.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
How about every fighter who shoots for a TD with 20 seconds left in the round, causing Rogan to say, “he just stole that round with a takedown.” Grabbing a guy with 20 seconds left, getting him to the ground with 15 seconds left, securing a position in full guard with 10 seconds left and sitting there until the bell rings = YOU WIN THE ROUND! And it’s bullshit.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
To be fair if a round is even then that extra takedown could steal it
However if the guy who got the takedown had failed with all of his other attempts and had been beaten up on the feet in the 4:40 minutes preceding that takedown then there’s no way that they should get the round. Takedowns alone should only decide rounds if nothing else happens or to decide an even round, otherwise they shouldn’t mean anything.
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The takedown ‘stealing’ a round is when it is a very even round, and the takedown will (probably) sway it for one guy. It is NOT a matter where a guy gets his ass kicked for 4:40 of a round, and his one take down negates it all.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
It's only a matter of time...
Wrestling is the trend right now… but give it a couple of years and the strikers will be working hard on their wrestling and defense.. they’ll be on top again… and the cycle continues.
Absolutely
We see it more and more now, people with great takedown defenses, or learning how to stand back up after being taken down.
As Rogan is fond of pointing out, in the past wrestlers pushed the opponent up against the cage. They can’t anymore because people adapted and learned to “cage walk” back to their feet. Fighters adapt.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Hypothetical Situation: An olympic gold medal champion in boxing learns enough takedown defense to ensure it stays standing. What will happen? He will dominate by pure standup. I don’t really believe this. I think the more mainstream the sport is, the more well-rounded people are going to need to be. The wrestler you speak of better be able to take some huge bombs in order to get it to the ground, and what do you consider enough to not get into trouble on the ground. Look at what guys like Maia or Jacre do to BJJ blackbelts on the ground. There will always be somebody better than you at something, so your best chances are to be well rounded.
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I totally agree.
Great points about the advantages of being well rounded, that’s why I think GSP is the best fighter in the game today. Silva is also amazing, but he has one notable weakness – wrestling – that was used in his last fight to dominate him for 4+ rounds.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
I was surpised Silva was taken down so easily.
I sincerely think A. Silva was hurting because I always thought he had excellent takedown defense, but to see Chael steamroll him like he did I was really shocked. I think Silva’s takedown defense will be a lot better next time n’ he delivers on a Ko or submission next time… but it will definitely be a war.
He usually does have much better TDD (except against Lutter) . . .
And I also hope so see him better in the next fight. I would love to see him destroy Chael on the feet and bring his ego back to earth.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
MMA is evolving not regressing.
Miller you want fighters on the ground where ur strongest and have a chance at a last second Miracle submission cause u couldn’t beat these guys any other way. If you don’t call what edgard did to BJ a fight, then ur a knucklehead.
Cole Has 1st hand experiance
Wrestling putting him to sleep
Come on, man.
A fighter can’t critique a style if he’s lost to a different style before?
Ditto
Who cares if he’s been KOed by a wrestler. Does that invalidate his point about Edgar’s fighting style? No.
He has no point
Frankie has 2 wins over a guy that many felt he didn’t even deserve to fight and would get smashed by, the rematch in particular was pure domination from Frankie. The guy deserves a lot of credit for twice coming in with a superior gameplan and being able to beat up BJ on the feet, take him down, control him and even reverse positions. For Cole Miller or anyone else to criticise this is BS, so what if Frankie didn’t finish either fight he still beat the best LW in the world twice in a row.
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by David W-S on Sep 4, 2010 9:40 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He certainly can . . .
But it’s kinda funny when the one fight (out of 4) that Escudero has finished in the UFC was him. Plus, Escudero (despite an impressive finishing percentage overall) has not shown himself to be a great finisher since entering the UFC.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
still love cole checking to see if his headphones are still on? lol
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
Cole the only thing that looked bouncey there..
is your head off the canvass
Cole is a irrelevant fighter..so why is he speaking..Cole wished he was on the same level
as the fighters he is running his gator about
I like bacon...and Rashad Evans is a pussy
I think he’s trying to yap his way into a bigger salary – ala James Toney and Mayhem Miller. The bigger the mouth, the less talent is needed to get on main cards.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Could be...The squeeky bearing gets the grease..But both mentioned above do have talents greater then cole. Mayhem MMA and Toney boxing of course
I like bacon...and Rashad Evans is a pussy
cole has a right to say whatever he wants
My question is why the fuck we have to read about it on this site! Slow news day I geuss?
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by Newfie3 on Sep 4, 2010 8:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Kind of agree with him Frankie definitely never goes for the kill he just goes for the W
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Frankie fought BJ for 10 rounds and beat him up everywhere on the feet on the ground. The idea that some no name guy even has his name in his mouth after destroying the GOAT at LW is disgusting. Miller needs to shut the fuck up and worry about not getting his head caved in again by a guy who bounces around instead of running him big mouth.
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cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
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strong, but accurate.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
True
but GSP did make him tap out between rounds. Which is somehow infinitely more funny.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
B.J. would have came out that 5th round, it was his corner that ended it, smartly!
And the funny thing is, GSP still wouldn’t have finished him!
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
Really?
He didn’t seem to be fighting his corner’s decision. And I don’t think there’s any way BJ makes it out of the 5th alive. Obviously speculation on both our parts, but fortunately it’s unnecessary because the beating GSP put on him during rounds 1-4 rendered the 5th round unnecessary.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
He said that he doesn't even remember the 3rd and 4th round.
He was just on auto pilot, so IMO he would have survived the 5th, but who knows.
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
hahaha
First off, I don’t believe for one single second that his corner stopped the fight without his consent.
Second, did you notice the fight he put up when it was over? Yeah, me either.
Third, hahaha man it’s true what they say about Penn fans – they have excuses for everything. Turns out the guy who quit between rounds didn’t really quit between rounds – his corner screw him over.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16UoBfhUA70 <— the only video I could find of it. Look how badly Penn wants to come out and fight!
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Mythbuster strikes again.
Penn and his team spend most of camp filling in their rolodex of excuses.
by PetrozellisJab on Sep 4, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Na, he is a crazy fucker and would have came out, NO DOUBT!!!
He didn’t put up a fight with his corner making that decision bc he knew he was done and couldn’t win. We can agree to disagree bc that is fact to me and GSP still would not have finished the fight. Damn does that look bad for GSP. OH and I’m not some big B.J. fan, just call’em like I see’em!
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
GSP rarely finishes these days
However BJ went out in the worst way possible, there’s no way that going on for an extra round would have caused a career ending injury. The fact is he quit and took the easy way out instead of battling through the tiredness and pain to the end. Funny that the man who bashed GSP for being a quitter and having no heart quit on the stool.
"Stay classy San Diego"
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GSP is having a hard time finishing
Bur it’s not like he isn’t trying. Frankie isn’t trying.
Georges was pissed at himself because he couldn’t finish BJ that fourth round. Remember him jumping up at the end of the round and punching the fence? He was trying his best to finish that fight.
That's true Jay and I do remember that!
I’m not a Frankie fan at all. His fighting does nothing for me at all! With GSP though, I think he could finish more fights if he truly tried to. He has the tools, but it seems like he just wants to secure the win and take zero chances. I don’t see anyone beating him anytime soon with that strategy, but for me I really like to see finishes. I hate it when the judges play a roll in deciding the winner. At that point it becomes subjective as to who actually really won the fight. I know in GSP’s fights it’s not really that subjective bc he dominates so fn much, but if Cecil Peoples is judging anything goes!
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
Hughes TKOd him
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by David W-S on Sep 4, 2010 9:41 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
odds just came out for maynard/edgar
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Gray Maynard
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Sep 3, 2010 11:15 PM EDT reply actions
You know what's funny..........
All you guys saying “Who is Cole to talk, What has he done etc….” if that’s the case why don’t you ask yourselves………..WTF have you done and who gave you the right to speak on ANYTHING pertaining to MMA?…………EXACTLY!!! Cole just like you has the right to speak about MMA. Keyboard warriors saying someone doesn’t have the right to judge but they do…what sense does that make? NONE.
amen to the Pimp
August 28th was an emotional day for me. Two events occurred that brought me to my knees:
1. BJ Penn lost to Frankie Edgar for the second time, proving to me that he is nowhere near the caliber of man that I made him out to be.
2. I found out that the cardio portion of Frankie Edgar’s training camp consisted of Frankie banging my mom while the arm.bar.bandit played the spanish guitar and sang "Eye of the tiger" by Survivor.
It's okay for Cole to speak..
He just said something Kinda stupid… don’t u think?
disagree
Edgar is a talented technical fighter who brings all aspects of the game to his fights…. the main reason he doesn’t finish fights is because he is EXTREMELY small for his weight class. But for him to dominate a bigger stronger, more experienced BJ Penn the way he did, both standing up & on the ground, was a joy to watch, as a fighter. He never took a break & just layed & prayed. It was technique after technique beautifully executed. If the UFC had a smaller weight class, I think Edgar would show more finishes there.
who is whining?
August 28th was an emotional day for me. Two events occurred that brought me to my knees:
1. BJ Penn lost to Frankie Edgar for the second time, proving to me that he is nowhere near the caliber of man that I made him out to be.
2. I found out that the cardio portion of Frankie Edgar’s training camp consisted of Frankie banging my mom while the arm.bar.bandit played the spanish guitar and sang "Eye of the tiger" by Survivor.
if you dont like the thread don't enter
August 28th was an emotional day for me. Two events occurred that brought me to my knees:
1. BJ Penn lost to Frankie Edgar for the second time, proving to me that he is nowhere near the caliber of man that I made him out to be.
2. I found out that the cardio portion of Frankie Edgar’s training camp consisted of Frankie banging my mom while the arm.bar.bandit played the spanish guitar and sang "Eye of the tiger" by Survivor.
Two times..
to a guy who doesn’t finish people. So what he beat BJ, but lets get one thing right he could NEVER finish BJ. He might outwork him, but not never finish him. Frankie Edgar is a point junkie. Good fighters FINISH people. Not simple out work them for 5 rounds and rack up as many points as possible.
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BJ Penn, best P4P fighter on the planet. I'll still stand by that all day long, bitches.
Always have respected Shogun Rua.
8-7-10 Anderson Silva was destroyed and exposed.
R.I.P. Dime and Ryan Gracie.
So if good fighters finish people, what do you call the fighters who lose to the fighters who finish people?
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
*who lose to the fighters who don't finish people
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
Dude...
you can’t even get your own logic straight. Please stop confusing yourself.
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BJ Penn, best P4P fighter on the planet. I'll still stand by that all day long, bitches.
Always have respected Shogun Rua.
8-7-10 Anderson Silva was destroyed and exposed.
R.I.P. Dime and Ryan Gracie.
It's a lot easier to avoid the question than to anwer it isn't it?
BJ Penn is easily one of the most talented fighters to ever live. However he is also a lazy P.O.S. and fans like you will continue to discredit his opponents because you can’t stand the fact that you’ve had a loser’s nuts in your mouth for all this time. Good luck with that.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
Good fighters FINISH people.
Wrong. Good fighters WIN.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Wrong. Good fighters WIN.
Wrong. Good fighters finish.
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BJ Penn, best P4P fighter on the planet. I'll still stand by that all day long, bitches.
Always have respected Shogun Rua.
8-7-10 Anderson Silva was destroyed and exposed.
R.I.P. Dime and Ryan Gracie.
Good fighters like Gilbert Yvel?
He and BJ are both pretty unstoppable.
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Please..
put your bong down and give me MMA relevance.
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BJ Penn, best P4P fighter on the planet. I'll still stand by that all day long, bitches.
Always have respected Shogun Rua.
8-7-10 Anderson Silva was destroyed and exposed.
R.I.P. Dime and Ryan Gracie.
If Frankie's not a good fighter then what does that say about the guy who lost to him twice?
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It says
50 minutes isn’t long enough to catch and beat a sprinter.
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BJ Penn, best P4P fighter on the planet. I'll still stand by that all day long, bitches.
Always have respected Shogun Rua.
8-7-10 Anderson Silva was destroyed and exposed.
R.I.P. Dime and Ryan Gracie.
I hear you loud and clear Cole!!
What comes to mind instantly is Vera vs Couture. I understand when it’s a bad matchup and you have to grind out a win like say Randy here, but when you do it every freakin fight(Maynard) you should get called out on it. If Frankie really is trying to be a marketable champion he can’t just dance around and throw small shots every fight. I tend to take it easy on Fitch cus he tries hard to finish on the ground. I’ve never seen that ‘I gotta finish this guy’ attitude in an Edgar fight. I don’t want to get on his case too much but that style will get old real quick.
Frankie won't ever finish people..
unless he drops to 145 and then he might..
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8-7-10 Anderson Silva was destroyed and exposed.
R.I.P. Dime and Ryan Gracie.
Good ol frankie
I’m less interested in finishing and more interested in good fights. Props to Frankie for killing the BJ fight. TWICE!
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by Super and or Duper on Sep 4, 2010 1:52 AM EDT reply actions
In the long run..
I don’t feel that this developing wrestler/winning on points style will be sustainable. Either fighters will find an answer, or judging criteria will change, or these fighters will find themselves getting lower pay.
IMO if the judging criteria changed this won’t be as much an issue.
And to these guys credit, it’s not like they are doing anything wrong. It just happens to not be that exciting.
Finish Him!
well i rather watch cole miller fight
Who always bring it and goes for the finish, eventhough he leaves himself open to get caught. Its always exciting!
Frankie fights to win and not to finish, wich also can be exciting but i have already seen enough of that hit and run shit.
WE WANT FINISHES!
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by robinhorobson on Sep 4, 2010 4:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Once Miller
finishes BJ then talk. BJ isn’t the easist to finish you know…
Oh, his comments are either to kiss BJ’s ass or to appear as a bad guy to get himself a high profile fight to line himself up for a title shot seeing as how he’s getting nowhere near on his own. Chael Sonnen 101.
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