UFC 124: Thiago Alves vs John Howard likely for Dec. 11 in Montreal
by Jesse Holland on Sep 3, 2010 9:37 AM EDT
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Former welterweight number one contender Thiago Alves (17-7) will start his slow climb back up the division ladder when he faces division prospect John Howard (14-5) at the upcoming UFC 124 pay-per-view (PPV) from the Bell Centre on Dec. 11 in Montreal, Quebec, Canada.
Fighter's Only confirmed the previously rumored match-up late last night.
"Pitbull" was put back on his leash by 170-pound stalwart Jon Fitch at UFC 117: "Silva vs. Sonnen" on Aug. 17. It was his second straight defeat after a torrid seven-fight winning streak that saw him topple the likes of Chris Lytle, Matt Hughes and Josh Koscheck.
While his only losses in the past five years have come to Fitch (twice) and reigning champion Georges St. Pierre, the welterweight division is one of the promotion's deepest, and it could take several wins to once again see Alves challenging for the belt.
Assuming he can make weight.
UFC President Dana White put Alves on notice following his failure to come in under the division limit at the UFC 117 weigh ins. A career at 170-pounds hinges on his ability to continually make weight and to aid him in that goal, the "Pitbull" camp has brought in nutrition guru Mike Dolce.
Also looking to rebound from a recent loss is Howard. "Doomsday" was in cruise control over the past year and a half, assembling four consecutive wins en route to bigger and better things inside the Octagon.
Enter Jake Ellenberger.
The Nebraskan sent Howard home with a technical knockout loss (doctor's stoppage) after three rounds of abuse at the UFC on Versus 2 event on Aug. 1 in San Diego.
No question the defeat was a setback for the rising star, but a big win over a name like Alves could vault him right back into the mix.
UFC 124 will feature a rematch between division champion Georges St. Pierre and fellow Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 12 coach Josh Koscheck. "Rush" claimed a unanimous decision win over "Kos" when they first met at UFC 74: "Respect" in Aug. 2007.
Stay tuned to MMAmania.com for more information on this still-developing fight card.
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Alves easy IMO.
BJ Penn is the biggest waste of talent in MMA history. Like usual, my pick was wrong and I blame a certain pudgy Hawaiin for my own short comings when it comes to talent selection. As it stands BZ – 3 Freenow82 – 1.
JH (or anyone else)- anything on Jake Ellenberger?
why would he not get Alves?
Vitor is coming. Somebody better polish up that MW belt.
Okami = Lindland & Franklin
two straight losses
and weight cutting issues = punishment
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by Jesse Holland on Sep 3, 2010 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
ahhhhhhhh
gotcha
Vitor is coming. Somebody better polish up that MW belt.
Okami = Lindland & Franklin
don't u know the golden rule of the freenow?
Losers get losers next.
Although I realize that there are exceptions (in the top tier usually), this mostly holds true in the UFC if you take percentages.
BJ Penn is the biggest waste of talent in MMA history. Like usual, my pick was wrong and I blame a certain pudgy Hawaiin for my own short comings when it comes to talent selection. As it stands BZ – 3 Freenow82 – 1.
i guess i am one of the few that still think of Alves as a top 3 guy
I know Kos is getting the next crack but with Thiagos destruction of Hughes and solid winning performance against KOS – my mind slipped. Factor in the missing weight issues and Howard doesnt seem like a poor choice.
I just didnt think about it long enough.
Vitor is coming. Somebody better polish up that MW belt.
Okami = Lindland & Franklin
I rank Alves top 5 but this is a bad match up for him
Howard has scary hands but Alves is more technical, should be a great fight and a tough 1 to call
Arm.bar.bandit saw me slow dancing with Anderson Silva. I had my hands on his ass.
No he didnt get Ellenburger bc they didnt want Alves to lose again. They need to keep up the illusion of him being a top fighter but not having him get laid on again by Pierce or Ellenburger. In a division dominated by wrestlers Alves is a good asset to the UFC to balance things out.
Chael Sonnen: Last time I defeated the myth, this time I'll defeat the man.
So...hyped...
Partially true. On the other hand Alves defeated Hughes and Kos right after each other.
So it’s not liker all wrestlers own him. Fitch and GSP are prolly the 2 best wrestlers at WW in the world, no shame in getting held down by them.
BJ Penn is the biggest waste of talent in MMA history. Like usual, my pick was wrong and I blame a certain pudgy Hawaiin for my own short comings when it comes to talent selection. As it stands BZ – 3 Freenow82 – 1.
Let’s not forget KOS took that fight on short Notice. Really short if im not mistaken
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by LOKIE on Sep 3, 2010 12:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
That's what I was going to say, I think it was 2 weeks.
I think KOS beats him in a rematch!
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
kos and hughes both on short notice. Alves also missed weight by an obscene amount for the Hughes fight.
Chael Sonnen: Last time I defeated the myth, this time I'll defeat the man.
So...hyped...
6 or 7 pounds (I think)
which is obscene for anyone.
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^ or 7 lbs, imagine how much it was at fight time!?!?
Probably around 15 – 20
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
IDK, Hughes used to cut a large amount also, but Thiago is only exceeded in size at WW by Rumble, so Hughes was def smaller.
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I rank Alves still in the top 10 and no higher until he proves otherwise
He beat Hughes at fricken Middle Weight damn near so that fight doesnt really count to me.He just Got handled by Fitch like expected and i think its a handful of up coming wrestlers that can take him out.Ellenburger for 1,Pierce definantly,Hathaway with 1 or 2 more fights,Kos in a rematch,hell i think even doomsday can pull an upset with his power.
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Despite my objection
This will be a sick mo fo of a fight. Alves will not win this easily and this could be FOTY potential. Both guys have sssssssssssssssick Muay Thai
Vitor is coming. Somebody better polish up that MW belt.
Okami = Lindland & Franklin
I agree BZ and you wrote just what I was going to!
Def not an easy win for Alves, but I hope the odds makers thinks so!
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
I hope they think what u think so I can put a decent bet on Alves at close to even odds.
But I think it will be closer to -200, in which case I would have to consider putting a value bet on Howard.
BJ Penn is the biggest waste of talent in MMA history. Like usual, my pick was wrong and I blame a certain pudgy Hawaiin for my own short comings when it comes to talent selection. As it stands BZ – 3 Freenow82 – 1.
Thiago's name will make him a bigger favorite than that. Everyone be sleeping on Doomsday, but he is legit
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Yeah I'm thinking this is a much better fight than against Pierce as far as entertainment value.
I’d also like to see Lytle rematch Alves. Their fight at 78 was stopped by a tiny little cut and Lytle was hanging in there pretty well. I think Alves sweeps the cards on this fight, but Howard will put up a good fight.
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If they keep adding fights like this to the Montreal card...
I may have to go. I like this match up a lot and it definitely has FOTN potential. It’ll be interesting to see how Alves prepares for this fight with his new weight cutting methods. I hope he’s smart about it this time cause I don’t think the MW division will be kind to him and his career.
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this is pretty much guarenteed fireworks
Unless alves is sapped from the cut….again…jiminey cripes, thiago, try 185…be so much better than cutting damn near 40 lbs
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by salamagogo on Sep 3, 2010 10:02 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
his range would be terrible at MW and thus nullify his striking
Imagine him vs the Spider. Me neither. Cote/Belcher/Grove/Rivera – these guys would create a lot of problems for him just do to distance
Nothing wrong with losing to the WW 1 -2 punch (gsp & Fitch) but missing weight – ya you get sent back down the ladder. Alves obviously wants no part of the MW division.
Vitor is coming. Somebody better polish up that MW belt.
Okami = Lindland & Franklin
i agree about the range
But he has to change something…I feel what he would lack in range he could make up for with strength and endurance from not being so drained…if not 185 then lose some of that bulk…it was just so dissapointing to see his last performance, though fitch was more responsible for that, as well.
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by salamagogo on Sep 3, 2010 11:03 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Im actually really looking forward to this fight
I was really hoping Thiago would have knocked out Fitch but he still needs to work on his takedown defense appparently. Hopefully he doesn’t have any issues with the weight cut, especially since he thinks its so easy
Didn't he say he had the easiest weight cut like a day or 2 prior to the weigh ins?
He needs to take inventory and be honest with himself, so he can get help. Talking isn’t gonna cut it if the number on the scale is too high at the end anyways.
BJ Penn is the biggest waste of talent in MMA history. Like usual, my pick was wrong and I blame a certain pudgy Hawaiin for my own short comings when it comes to talent selection. As it stands BZ – 3 Freenow82 – 1.
Good Fight But...
Why not Alves vs Ellenberger? Makes more sense to me. Howard shouldn’t get such a highly ranked opponent after a loss.
Shogun's knee will explode for the final time when Rashad shoots for the takedown.
As discussed above, Alves lost 2 in a row so that's why they got matched up.
BJ Penn is the biggest waste of talent in MMA history. Like usual, my pick was wrong and I blame a certain pudgy Hawaiin for my own short comings when it comes to talent selection. As it stands BZ – 3 Freenow82 – 1.
Ellenberger would do the exact same as what Fitch did
Arm.bar.bandit saw me slow dancing with Anderson Silva. I had my hands on his ass.
Agree! Ellenberger beat Alves! And Ellenberger has better stand up than Fitch.
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
But My Problem is...
it seems like a win for Howard would rank him higher than Ellenberger, who he just lost to. It should be Ellenberger instead of Howard.
Shogun's knee will explode for the final time when Rashad shoots for the takedown.
Good point
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
Somebody's going to sleep in this one
Don’t sleep on Howard, dude’s explosive and has some serious Muay Thai skills. He did slip up against J.E., but Jake has some great wrestling, anytime they where on the feet, Howard was winning the fight. I’m not calling a victory for him, but he has a great chance.
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by MasterWhiteTiger on Sep 3, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions
i dont think its a big mismatch
But alves will def be the favorite here…I wanna see there 2 face off at the weigh ins to see the size diff…howard isn’t a big 170lb-er by any means…he could probably make 155
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by salamagogo on Sep 3, 2010 11:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I could be wrong (it has happened) but I didn't think Howard was that small.
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
I hope Howard ko's this fool.
Alves was good but the simple fact that he cant make weight and or doesnt even try anymore makes me want to puke. He even said after his last fight that he was so focused on the fight that he didnt care about the last 1.5 lbs. Total lack of respect for the fight sport. Then he gets his ass kicked from pillar to post, atta be focused! Alves is a punk, he needs to get off the roids and start taking this shit seriously.
The .5 pound, Fighters are allowed to weigh at 171 for WW fights unless its a title fight. He’s also hired a nutrionist to help with his weight issues at least he’s trying to correct this problem. Just because a guy is muscular makes him on “roids”? Get serious there is more flabby fighters testing positive than muscular fighters.
Alves is the better fighter
I haven’t really been impressed with howard so far, he has some power and decent striking but alves is much more technical and the more well rounded fighter..
Every fight howard’s had in the UFC he’s either lost or was being beaten for most of the fight.. like catching hallman and roberts after getting tooled. like i said dudes got power.. But how many times does alves get hit cleanly? He’s never been ko’d that’s for sure. He’s a better striker than anyone howard has faced and it will show in their fight..
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Thiago has to show he belongs at ww and foor doomdsday the pitbull i a nice stepping stone.
Probably thiago takes this he way more technical than doomdsday, but howard has scary one shot ko power in his hands.
Man cant wait for this!
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by robinhorobson on Sep 3, 2010 1:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Excited about this, but...
Pierce respectfully called him out, Alves said hell yeah, Pierce is a big WW who would most likely take him down and GNP tho so I can see why UFC wont do it.
by FrostyGreenz559 on Sep 3, 2010 11:35 PM EDT reply actions
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