Mike Tyson: James Toney was 'horrible' but 'respectful' boxers can win in MMA
by Jesse Holland on Sep 29, 2010 10:01 AM EDT
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"You have to admit, Toney looked horrible. He looked slow. He didn't look like a seasoned, conditioned athlete. You only had to look at his body structure. No way, Toney didn't get ready to fight a real, professional athlete like Randy is. It was ridiculous. He had no respect for Randy.... I know 100 percent that a boxer (could win). As long as he learns how to grapple and wrestle, he could do great. You've got to go in there respecting the sport, and not just thinking you're going to knock somebody out every time. It's a complicated sport, but a good boxer has to be a great athlete anyway."
Legendary heavyweight boxing champion -- and unabashed mixed martial arts fan -- Mike Tyson weighs in on the James Toney freak show, saying "Lights Out" did himself and the "Sweet Science" a disservice by thinking he could go in and just knockout Randy Couture at UFC 118 back in August. Toney ended up taking an early nap, succumbing to a choke midway through the first round after looking like a fish out of water. UFC President Dana White cut him shortly thereafter, indicating that he had proven his point: World class boxers just can't walk into a cage and steamroll a well-trained MMA fighter. Tyson, meanwhile, feels that it is possible for a boxer to transition to the sport, but he needs to be athletic and take it seriously. Care to disagree with "Iron?" Be sure to catch Tyson on tonight's episode of The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) on Spike TV. He'll be sitting ringside and making a special appearance as a guest of White and presumably the network.
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Toney was in shape!
Kinda like a perfect sphere, like a giant beachball that’t been blown up too much.
by attakdog on Sep 29, 2010 10:04 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Looked more pear shaped to me lol
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He is right.
A great boxer has to be a great athlete. If trained correctly for years in the ground disciplines, a boxer could be a force. But it’s a long hard road, much harder than for wrestlers who can just avoid striking.
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
IF you look at a guy like Daley
I think he shows how hard it really is to gain a good enough ground D to compete with the elite ground guys. Hell look at Kflo against a elite wrestler, Kflo can beat most LW’s on the ground but when facing the best Toney is going to look foolish. Hell Randy will make a good grappler look bad in the grapple, take GG for example. Yes a boxer can compete and do well I just don’t think they will ever be champion calibure MMA fighters unless they had at least 4-5 years of tough hard grappling training and it can be done look at GSP.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
More time
To be champion caliber I would say a little longer then 4-5 years. GSP is just a freak athlete, and he had a background in martial arts and grappling. It did take him about 4-5 years to become a freak wrestler, but he had some wrestling background and had already been practicing jiu jitsu for many years. In good jiu jitsu academies it takes about 2-4 years to move up the belt ranks, and most collegiate wrestlers start in at least 7th grade if not earlier. So even if a boxer has been training wrestling and jiu jitsu for 5 years he will still get torched on the ground by the elite if he has no background in either area.
KJ Noons
IMO KJ Noons has hands like a boxer and he does pretty good..
"The cowards plan is to rule amongst the incapable.. My plan is to incapacitate the cowards"
--ME
KJs boxing record is comparable to Marcus Davis and Chris Lytles I believe?
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by doonerthesooner on Sep 29, 2010 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
Lytle is a Black belt in Jui jitsu too, not??
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Yeah a very respectable one.
Dude has some of the most impressive subs I’ve seen.
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by doonerthesooner on Sep 29, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
I knew he had awesome subs......
and I thought he was a Black belt, just couldn’t remember, if he wasn’t such an “entertainer” he might be a world champion on day. O and if he was in another weight division…….
Blame Canada, Blame Canada, With all their hockey hullabaloo, And that bitch Anne Murray too, Blame Canada,Shame on Canada...............
I agree on both points you made!
I become more and more of a Lytle fan every time he fights.
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
exactly. he IS a pro boxer. and a great example in this case.
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by daniel worby on Sep 29, 2010 10:15 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah but I think Tyson is talking about the elite boxers
None of these guys turned out to be elite boxers. Marcus Davis and lytle both wrestled in high school and have back grounds anyway.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
That was my understanding too Puck.
Dont think Davis is a great example either, he got outboxed by Nate Diaz.
no prob roger. noons is the best example to have used in this case.
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by daniel worby on Sep 29, 2010 10:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm not sold on Noons either
As far as pro boxer goes he is not elite either. And in MMA besides Diaz he has not fought anyone with a great ground game that I know of that proves his ground skills would hold up against the elite grapplers.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Agreed. I'd like to see him stuff Maynards shots... Good luck
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
Other than Diaz he hasn't fought anyone that's really good at anything
I had to check that. Not to knock on Yves but his days as a top fighter seem to have passed.
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Sep 29, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
gurgel has a hell of a ground game.
but he never uses it, so he may not count lol
by Andrew Keller on Sep 29, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't no in MMA he never seems that great on the ground.
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by doonerthesooner on Sep 29, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Know
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Sep 29, 2010 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions
KJ Noons has faced alot of guys with upside down records in boxing though right?
by EvolutionMMA on Sep 29, 2010 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Iron Mike should come to MMA
I would love to see it. Now that would sell some pay per views and get some serious media attention.
He makes a valid point.
KJ/Marcus D/ Chris Lytes are good examples of his point of view. If boxing is your strongest asset.. learn the ground.. in and out.. learn take down defense a la Vinetage Chuck Lidell. Toney needs to be in the next Nathan’s Hotdog eating contest in Coney Island.. not in an MMA fight.. leave it for the professionals.. who take the sport serious.
Im a pro boxer and a mma is piss to me
It took me a good 10 years, training from the age of 3 in wrestling etc to be able to compete in mms.. You can’t just expect to walk into mma with only your boxing skills, as toney did.
Im probably pvp best boxer if I was to continue to fight.. But I prefer mma. I prefer kicking ones face in, simple as that..
Point is, if a pro boxer is willing to train all aspects of mma and respect the sport, it’s possible for him to be very successful.. Pro kickboxers have done it, boxers can do it. I’m an example, I’ll be in the ufc shortly, just sorting the deal out.. Watch out for me. Im a young gun, stud athlete ready to fight
by danago. on Sep 29, 2010 10:28 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
If your pound for pound the boxer out there
we must know who you are already, whats your name? If we dont know your name we dont know who to watch for.
I will fight you.
And I will win. Badly.
by And Boom goes the dynamite on Sep 29, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
haha danago is back!
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
Which one is danago?
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
The one on the left defo
The one on the right must be thinking “Jesus Christ how did I get lumped in with you lot”?
haha. there should be a picture with the one on the right standing next to 3 really fit models, for contrast
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
she was the one who wanted the picture taken
It makes her look really thin. This IS how many girls operate. I can’t tell you how many times I have seen 4 girls out, 1 very good looking and 3 pigs.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
Hahahahaha
my 4 girl example wasn’t directly aimed at the pic above. In relation to those 3, she looks much better than she would on her own.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
Why are you kids hating on me? Just let me be, cba getting banned you see. I'm a pro boxer.. Nothing you do or say will stop that. I'll be in the ufc soon. If anyone wants a fights I have about 50 street fights under my belt.. You can't do ish kids
by danago. on Sep 29, 2010 10:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
God why is this functional tard back i think the rest of the class is finger painting why don’t you leave the closet give the teacher her phone back and maybe she"ll cut the crust off your pbj sandwich for you nap times coming up if you sleep good they might even throw on some nick jr untill the short bus comes
by malito3og3 on Sep 29, 2010 10:58 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
i get it, danago is a troll
But the best way to really deal with them is ignore them, don’t comment on anything they post, however outrageous and crazy his comment is……although I have seen some very funny comebacks to his obvious b.s. Posts
Activia; now with bullshitifus ridicularus
by salamagogo on Sep 29, 2010 12:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
haha this one is special
he really has some creative ideas. I kinda enjoy reading his posts. it is just pure unadulterated bullshit.
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
you one of the guys..
Who thinks danago is a regular under another name?
Activia; now with bullshitifus ridicularus
by salamagogo on Sep 29, 2010 1:11 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So what? Marlon Sims has over 300 street fights, and he’s never lost one of them. He’ll fuck you up good little lady, and he couldn’t even get into the UFC.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
@ DANAGO, Then tell us who you are. I already asked once with no response!
My guess is that you are just full of crap. Being tough in your hood doesnt mean much in the real world….BRO!
Wouldn't that make them a Mixed Martial Artist?
bq.I know 100 percent that a boxer (could win). As long as he learns how to grapple and wrestle, he could do great.
Boxer + Grappler + Wrestler + Jiu Jitsu + (input other disciplines) = Mixed Martial Artist.
Not really just a “boxer” any longer IMO.
forsure Dugout. I think his point was just that Toney didn't take it seriously, and that we shouldn't generalize that onto all boxers
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
Agreed
I also think a prime and in-shape boxer would have much more of a chance than Toney did. I would think a 25 year old boxer could potentially have eluded the 1 leg takedown attempt.
Yep, that takedown was VERY sloppy
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
Just learn to grapple and wrestle!
It’s just that easy!
**facepalm
by And Boom goes the dynamite on Sep 29, 2010 10:36 AM EDT reply actions
In other news... If a boxer learned for years to ride a bicycle really well, he could do well in the Tour De France
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
smartest thing i ever heard from mike tyson.
props, iron mike
Mike can be a pretty smart guy at times
Then he can say something 5 sec later that makes you go, WTF?
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by Red Eye Jedi on Sep 29, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
well, in his defense he did get hooked on ear at an early age.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
Was this a direct quote, or did an editor clean it up before posting? It sounds very intelligible and coherent.
Our lives change like the weather, but a legend never dies.
The "I'm gonna eat his Kids" part? lol
Actually, Tyson doesn’t need subtitles….
well James Toney
Didnt even try to knockout couture, he was just looking for cheque and he got it.
To bad the ufc wasted the whole boxing vs mma theme on a washed up boxer like toney.
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2. Anthony ''Showtime'' Pettis
3. Phil ''Mr. Wonderful'' Davis
4. Charles '' Do Bronx" Oliveira
5. Rory ''The Waterboy'' MacDonald
by robinhorobson on Sep 29, 2010 11:27 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Ray Mercer Ko'd Silvia
In like 5 seconds. Silvia was a UFC champion for a long time he wore the belt like it was a real belt. I hear he had special belt loops put in his jeans. Ray mercer is Much Much older than toney, and Randy is better than Silvia.
I'm missing the point.
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Sep 29, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't think there is anything to get.
It’s a collection of loose thoughts.
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
Hey, stop calling him twinkie. He TKO'd the strongest man on the planet!
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
Great comment by mike.
Finaly a boxer that doesnt go in defence mode when it comes to MMA vs Boxing. and i dont care if its publicity stunt or just to look good.. these kind of comments are good for the sport imo. my english aint that great to go into detail with what i mean. hopefully u know what i mean ;)
Gotcha, well put
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by doonerthesooner on Sep 29, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions
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