UFC Quick Quote: Dana White likens Frank Mir to the Grinch
by James Kimball on Sep 27, 2010 2:11 PM EDT
Email
Print
"I have no clue about Frank. To talk the stuff he does, and then fight like he fought, that's a little frustrating. Once "Cro Cop" stuffed his takedown attempt, his heart fell out on the floor. If Frank Mir can't bully you, his heart shrinks to the size of the Grinch's. If he can't take you down, his heart shrinks to the size of a pea."
Former UFC champ Frank Mir is neither hairy nor green. But according to Dana White, he does have something in common with one of Dr. Seuss' most memorable characters, the Grinch... they both have no heart. White told ESPN that once Mir realizes he can't bully around his opponent in the cage, his heart shrinks to the size of the aforementioned Christmas-time grouch's. Sure, his UFC 119 win over "Cro Cop" left a lot to be desired, but shouldn't a two-time champion of the UFC's heavyweight division be given a bit more credit by the promotion's president? Thoughts on these comments?
325 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
I usually defend Dana
But I got to agree. Lately he’s saying things that just don’t need to be said
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
As the man in charge, he needs to shut the F up.
He is bashin a name fighter on every event these days. At some point this will catch up to him. There are other options.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
I usually like that he tells it how it is
but lately he’s been off base. The Florian comments may be 100% true, but unnecessary!
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
and the Mir comments 110% true.
Dana is being Dana.
But he is the president so it’s misplaced.
Vitor is In. Vitor will Win.
Now thats a fockin Poem.
I don't know if it's true or not
other than being dominated by Carwin, when have we seen this? Brock took him down in their first fight, he didn’t lose his heart, he submitted him
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
Cruz, Vera, Freeman
Plus scraping wins over Cro Cop and Christensen. When things don’t go Franks way he goes to pieces. However it’s not Danas place to say these things, he’s a promoter not a pundit and bashing his own talent is only harming the UFC. He’s become way too big for his boots and thinks of himself as a bigger star than the fighters and a real life Mr McMahon.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
by David W-S on Sep 27, 2010 2:48 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agreed.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
to promote frank the way he did and then say this.
Frank has always been the same only thing that’s changed over the years is Dana and his way of promoting him.. He had to this time since he wanted to make Lesnar look better
Zlatan Ibrahimovic !
Frank has always had potential
When he was a booze hound everybody called him a waste of talent but knew he had talent. He has shown flashes of that talent and though he fought a boring fight he still won and finished CC. This wasn’t the first lack lsuter main event and it won’t be the last and if Frank wants to get to main event status he better prove himself the next couple fights.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
well "main event" status has nothing to do with being a good fighter.
It has to do with making Dana money, ppl may like UFC. But i can without a doubt say that what they are doing is killing off what could be a competitive sport.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic !
that is way too strong of a statement Roberto
We don’t need to have this conversation all over again, but to imply that no other sport makes decisions based on the bottom line is ignorant. All sports have the entertainment factor, even your beloved Bellator and Spanish Premier League.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
Your reality is that only americans ruin their sports by creating a marketing machine that is more about entertainment than actual sport.
We all know this is how you feel. What is really annoying is that you continue to speak this crap even when presented with proof that all companies, in all sports do this. This isn’t an american thing. This is a world thing.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
its not a world thing.
they ruin shit because even their sports are run by private persons.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic !
So tell me
Real Madrid doesn’t market their players? They aren’t trying to sell T-shirts and jerseys? They didn’t bring Beckham in to try to get into asian markets?
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
I don't want to break down the workings of football
but Real Madrid is a privately owned company. So, the argument still does work.
You truly believe that Bellator, Dream, Sengoku, K1, Strikeforce, KOTC- MFC – all of them are really that much different than the UFC? The UFC is the only one making ridiculous matchups- based on selling, not sport? Come on man.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
still different.
workings of football? where do you even live? have you ever played or been involved in the sport?
Zlatan Ibrahimovic !
I live in Arizona
I played competitive soccer (football) my entire life. I volunteer as a ref for a competitive league in the valley. My brother played professionally. I still don’t see how any of that has anything to do with this discussion.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
ok, good.
it has a lot to do with the discussion. the mls for example is the best example of how things work in america and how it doesn’t work in the rest of the world.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic !
Again I ask
Give me an example of another mma promotion that doesn’t do any of the things that you hate about the UFC?
What is the model they should strive for?
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
a model that’s good for the competitors and the sport. the only “model” they have is to make rules up as they go and do whatever’s gonna make money and sell the brand at the moment. I haven’t seen any changes to the better for the athletes/the reason ppl watch that’s gonna expand the sport.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic !
but who has the right model?
I mean you obviously take issue with how the UFC does business. That’s fine. But my point is, that is how all promotions do business more or less. There is no one really doing it right based on your argument.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
and the fact that you continue to call it an American thing
is really frustrating. Especially considering you havent’ given any example of non-american promotions who are doing it right (according to Roberto).
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
no, and it’s because the people behind MMA have no control. These private owners are in control of the entire sport. The fighters promote the UFC they work for the UFC and the UFC choses which fighters they want to sell their brand (UFC).
Zlatan Ibrahimovic !
Dream is notorious for not paying their fighters or paying them very late
thats a non american MMA company, is that the way it should be done?
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
these fighters
are also promoting themselves. Don’t forget for one second that the more these fighters promote themselves, the more money they are going to make as well. It isn’t as cut and dry as you make it out to be.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
Y'all are crazy for argueing this anyway.
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Sep 27, 2010 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I have
and I keep trying. I want to understand. I really do.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
No man it just seems pointless that's all.
In response to the original post Dana White knows more about promoting a successful MMA org. than anyone else on the planet, but he’s still a douche for bashing his own employees. When my employees fuck up I don’t call them out in front of everyone.
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Sep 27, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Understood, he's your Sabertooth
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Sep 27, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
You can't confuse Roberto with facts once he's made up his mind
It’s not happening, he’ll make shit up, misinterpret, cherry pick your post to latch onto one piece instead of trying to comprehend in it’s entirety etc…
It’s just not worth the effort.. even when he knows for a fact he’s wrong he still argues the point in an attempt to save face.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 27, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately Odamn is right
while Roberto seems like a nice enough kid, unlike most of us, he won’t look at the FACTS but simply only push his belief. I’ve NEVER seen him change his stance, even when he’s clearly wrong. Also I don’t get why the conversation always turns to soccer with him. Dana took a failing business and has made it worth hundreds of millions of dollars, seems like he must be doing something right!
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
You have to remember CC was a fill in Roberto
NOG was suppose to be the main event facing Mir and a fight the fans wanted to see. It’s no the UFC’s fault NOG was injured.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
that’s not the deal puck head. i know what you are saying but that’s not the problem.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic !
It has to do with making Dana money, ppl may like UFC. But i can without a doubt say that what they are doing is killing off what could be a competitive sport.
What is not competititve about the UFC. The best face the best how can it get any more competitive?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I know what Roberto means and some of it does make sense.
All sports have an entertainment aspect to it, but no other sport is as bad as MMA for doing this. Maybe bc it’s in it’s beginning stages and is in need for fans. They want so badly to give what the fans want, but what us fans really want are fair match-ups and fighters fighting each other that make sense. Not a fight that’s just going to bring in a lot of money. The UFC needs a ranking system and go by that MOST of the time. Not ALL, but most.
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
great point
they are in desperate need of a ranking system. A MMA top 10 makes no sense since all fighters don’t fight in the same organization. I’m guessing that they have a ranking system (behind the scenes), but they don’t use it when booking matches! Great post BOW!
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
nah i doubt that.
they clearly have different business strategies for different fighters. the thing with their signings is the more money they pay them (brock lesnar) the more they are gonna promote them, “prospects” like Jon Jones are gonna be built up in media to the point where UFC can make big money before they decide to pay them more and give them big oppurtunities.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic !
absolutely
thats what we mean, they have a ranking system, but it’s not used as it should be. Good post. They will get all the can outta Jones before they have to pay him more. smart business, but we lose out!
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
Thats how it works in all sports Roberto and in SF as well
look at Tiger woods in golf, Ronaldo in soccer, AP in american football, Crosby in hockey…. you promote athletes in your sport that you believe will market your sport. This is nothing new that the UFC is doing or any other sport.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
They will get all the can outta Jones before they have to pay him more. smart business, but we lose out!
how do you know how much Jones is getting. We don’t know his actual contract all we see is what his fight salary pay’s. We know most fighters get more than what the fight night pay outs say from the UFC direct. He might be easily making a million a year and more.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Point is every sport promotes it’s players to market their sport. Wether they are all stars or future prospects. Welcome to pro sports Roberto.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I can't tell you how many times I have made that point to Roberto
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
lol, come on Puck
If Matt Hughes got a million dollar check for beating Royce, I can Guarantee Jones isn’t getting that. I’d be willing to bet he got his win bonus in the Hammill fight. His current contract is 23/23. I seriously doubt other than getting his win bonus in that fight, that he’s getting too many locker room bonus checks. Those are usually for guys that “do” something. But even if he’s getting 50/50 under the table, what I was saying is that the UFC will get as much out of him (in cheap marketing) before he’s making “big” money (we were comparing how/why guys like Lesnar are marketed). They need to hype the hell out of higher salaried guys because they are getting paid more, so you have more vested in them.
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
right kev.
I always argue that signing contracts in an individual sport like mma is wrong (there is no such thing in other big individual sports like golf, tennis, athletics). MMA at it’s best would be a sport where fighters qualifies/gets promoted onto a bigger stage/bigger prize checks based on their results (not on their names). Having some of the best like Alistair, Fedor, Nick Diaz, Feijao fighting in the same country in another private organization sucks balls for the sport. Only solution to this and to get some structure in the sport would be to have all organizations under the same roof, like FIFA for football. It’s all politics.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic !
I agree
Ive always said there should be a purse for every fight, the winner gets a share and the loser gets a share. This would make sure no one “took the night off” because they were getting paid regardless. Hypothetically say the main event has a purse of 100k (just keeping numbers round), they then split the purse 70/30. It would guarantee that everyone would give 100% every fight as NO money is guaranteed. BJ penn made 250k his last outing regardless of what he did, whats the incentive for him to train hard?
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
Because it was a boring fight doesn’t mean it was not competitive Roberto. It was simply jsut a boring fight as some have stated the BJ and Edgar was, or GSP and Hardy, or the Fitch against anybody… One fight doesn’t prove anything Mir has talent there is no doubt about it but many question his toughness and this fight may bring more questions.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
he is a star though. he's the UFC's best sales guy.
Vitor is In. Vitor will Win.
Now thats a fockin Poem.
Best sales guy????
Dana is far from the best person to be fronting UFC. I’ve said it a long time ago. Up to now, the UFC could pretty much sell itself.
Dana tweets Barrack Obama, along with many others, every fight and asks his predictions, call that a salesman??? I could bet my life he hasn’t had one reply from him. He’s in cookoo land.
Way to big for his boots, not the guy to be sitting at a very important meeting with state officials ( I can picture him now….f_ck that etc)
He hasn’t got an ounce of business sense, that’s what the Frank and Lorenzo are for.
Dana is nothing more than a glorified site foreman. He knows how to manage his men but thats it. He’s bollocks at business management!!
If Harry Potter's so magical, why cant he cure his own eyesight and get laid. A teenage lad shouldnt need a broomstick to cling onto.
-- Frankie Boyle
Funny
“up until now UFC could pretty much sell itself”. Ah- I see, so that explains why mma was banned on PPV listings, most states, video stores and the like up until DW started making waves. Sure, I am with ya buddy.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
lol automation fail
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
Nice one free
Intelligent post, Dana’s buddy?
If Harry Potter's so magical, why cant he cure his own eyesight and get laid. A teenage lad shouldnt need a broomstick to cling onto.
-- Frankie Boyle
bet ur life huh
I could swear I read last week that he’s meeting with Obama here pretty soon. Dana took a company that was losing money hand over fist and turned it into one of the most successful privately owned companies in the world, seems to be doing ok if you ask me!
and if he wasn’t doing a GREAT job, the Fertitta’s would simply fire him and run their business by themselves.
I have nothing against you, but to be honest, you don’t make much sense at all man!
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
OK can someone give me evidence that solely Dana took the loss making company and made it into a billion dollar company.
I’m thinking it’s the business team and management together with the brothers.
Dana is a golrified foreman and nothing else
If you run a construction company, I bet your bottom dollar that your foreman is really good at keeping the labour in check. Doesn’t make the foreman soley responsible for making the company a success does it?
If Harry Potter's so magical, why cant he cure his own eyesight and get laid. A teenage lad shouldnt need a broomstick to cling onto.
-- Frankie Boyle
Sure
UFC
Purchased in 2001 (the SEG, who owned the brand was on the brink of bankruptcy). Dana White convinced the Ferittas the purchase for $2. They put Dana at the head of the company and gave him a percentage.
Today- The UFC is valued at 1 billion Plus.
Dana is still the president.
Done and done.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
lol
if he wasn’t doing a GREAT job, they’d get rid of him. His mouth is more of a liability than an asset, this reason alone leads me to believe he’s doing the majority of the work and making decisions. Not to mention that if he wasn’t, they’d simply fire him and do it themselves
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
I wish I was Dana's buddy. And thanks, I usually make intellegent posts
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
Right, so Frank and Lorenzo simply ploughed $2m of their own money and let Dana do what he liked??
Nah, I’m thinking it’s those guys that made the decisions, and delegated to Dana.
Dana is a dork and couldn’t run shit, he wouldn’t know a business plan if it hit him in the face, believe that “BUDDY”
If Harry Potter's so magical, why cant he cure his own eyesight and get laid. A teenage lad shouldnt need a broomstick to cling onto.
-- Frankie Boyle
I like how you are just making up your own shit. Just create the facts as you see fit.
Whether you like it or not, Dana is the president of the UFC. So, he is in fact “running shit”
Dana is a dork? Um, alright. What the fuck does that have to do with anything we are talking about here?
You are thinking that Lorenzo runs everything? Oh, alright, so a guy who is really effing good at making money is going to give a percentage of a billion dollar business, title and really nice yearly salary to Dana- just for fun? Because Dana is the right face for MMA? Are you high on crack?
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
Fair point deuce
But Dana is far from a business man.
Don’t ask me how the business has grown as much as it has with Dana at the forefront, but I’m betting it would be much bigger and better with someone other than Dana.
If Harry Potter's so magical, why cant he cure his own eyesight and get laid. A teenage lad shouldnt need a broomstick to cling onto.
-- Frankie Boyle
how can you honestly say that
I’ll use one good example, his eye for talent. Look what happens to guys after Dana lets them go. I know you’ll bring up Werdum, but he’s the exception, not the rule. The majority of guys Dana hasn’t resigned have fallen off the rankings. people like you just hate the man, so don’t fairly look at what good business sense he really does have! As someone who has owned his own business, worked for good boss’s as well as bad, I’ll say from experience, that the majority of what Dana does is not only good for the UFC, but shrewd at the same time! He is obviously very business savvy as well as street smart, and that’s a scary combination.
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
He is the epitomy of a business man
He helped acquire a failing company- turned it into one of the biggest success stories possible. That is how you do business. If that isn’t a successful business person, I need help.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
Good post deuce
To some guys he’s like Vince Mcmahon in the WWE, just a character they love to hate Deuce. Fact is the quality and quantity of his MMA product is by far the best. What else can you ask for?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
He's very much like Vince McMahon. In fact, he has modeled himself and his business after what Vince does. They are both very successful at what they do, for a lot of the same reasons.
Vince made himself synonymous with the WWE, because that way, when wrestlers come and go, the face of the company remains the same. Dana does the same thing to an extent. He wants to make sure he’s the front man and that he’s in the limelight. If he stays back in the shadows he loses some of that power that he loves, and it puts fighters in a better position. It’s very smart, but I think it “cheapens” things a bit. No other sports are run like that. It hurts the legitimacy of the sport when your business model closely reflects that of pro wrestling. MMA is a good niche sport that can make a lot of money, but for it to get as big as Dana says/wants, I believe things will have to change a bit to add more legitimacy to the sport. I don’t agree with all of what Roberto is saying above, but I do agree that the matchups are arbitrary to a degree, and are definitely based on what will make the most money, with finding out who’s the best being more of a by-product then a goal. When you make good matchups, and fights that people want to see, you make money. While teams in other sports may make matchups that will bring in fans, there’s still post-season play and things like that to crown a champion, and there’s little room to question the legitimacy of the sport that way. Since the UFC essentially chooses who will fight for championships they leave themselves open for criticism since a certain amount of bias goes into the process.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Yes
forgot to add…
Once the decisions to regulate the sport (unlikely Dana’s brainchild) the business was going to sell itself.
The market was screaming out for it, boxing had become stagnent.
If Harry Potter's so magical, why cant he cure his own eyesight and get laid. A teenage lad shouldnt need a broomstick to cling onto.
-- Frankie Boyle
Once the decisions to regulate the sport (unlikely Dana’s brainchild) the business was going to sell itself.
You do realize the reason MMA is regulated in many areas across the world is because of the UFC. In north america MMA was getting banned and we are lucky that the UFC got involved to save it. nothing sells by itself, if many had their way and someone like the UFC never got involved this sport still could be only fought over in China and Japan.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Hi Puck Head,
Yes mate, I agree.
When I said (unlikely Dana’s brainchild) I didn’t mean not a UFC decision. I meant that someone other than Dana in the UFC made that decision.
People seem to think that Frank and Lorenzo are just banks and have no decisions in this business.
Everyone seems to give Dana the credit as he is the person at the front of the camera.
If Harry Potter's so magical, why cant he cure his own eyesight and get laid. A teenage lad shouldnt need a broomstick to cling onto.
-- Frankie Boyle
I see what you are saying
but you are making claims that just don’t make sense. If he truly was the moron that you thought he was, He would have been gone a long time ago. Rich people are rich because they make sound financial decisions, employing someone who doesn’t do any “business” or is not good at being a “businessman” is not good business.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
OK I give in lol.
I don’t think he is a moron, but I don’t think he should get most of the credit that he does.
When BJ lost to Frankie for a second time, everyone was screaming change camps.
Why is that?
The reason for that is that although BJ does the fighting, there are many other people who are involved that are also responsible for his success.
BJ needs a new camp to continue to succeed.
Personally, I think UFC needs a new Dana to take it to the next level
If Harry Potter's so magical, why cant he cure his own eyesight and get laid. A teenage lad shouldnt need a broomstick to cling onto.
-- Frankie Boyle
you don't make sense
they continue to grow EVERY year! If they were to lose money consistently, I GUARANTEE you that he’d be gone. Why would they fire someone who makes money? Also, you seem to think that he’s not making the decisions, but if the Fertitta’s were making all the decisions, why would they keep Dana around? Buy out his 5% stake in the company and move on, it’d be easy. Fact is, they must think he’s doing a good job because when push comes to shove, business is business and they are business men. They wouldn’t give firing Dana, whether a friend or not, a second thought if it was going to help their business!
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
I used BJ as an analogy lol
If Harry Potter's so magical, why cant he cure his own eyesight and get laid. A teenage lad shouldnt need a broomstick to cling onto.
-- Frankie Boyle
oh, it was under my comment
I get it now (duh) and yeah, the analogy is off. BJ is losing, the UFC (thanks to Dana) is expanding to Asia and the middle east and making money hand over fist
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
The analogy, as it was intended, was spot on.
I’m still trying to get to grips with the new layout here.
Everytime I type, the screen jumps down, I assume from above posters.
Still don’t know where to find all the new posts
If Harry Potter's so magical, why cant he cure his own eyesight and get laid. A teenage lad shouldnt need a broomstick to cling onto.
-- Frankie Boyle
spot on?
one guy is losing so needs a new camp, the other is making his company money and is very successful, so why does he need to be replaced?
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
The analogy was intended to demonstrate that it is more than one person involved in their success.
All UFC champions are champions because of their training partners and camps etc. They would not be champions without them.
UFC is successful because of Dana, the brothers and many many others. The UFC would not be successful with just Dana.
The argument it how much credit Dana gets
If Harry Potter's so magical, why cant he cure his own eyesight and get laid. A teenage lad shouldnt need a broomstick to cling onto.
-- Frankie Boyle
and deserves
the Fertitta’s put up the money and deserve credit for that. Dana makes day to day decisions. It’s like Robert Kraft getting credit for getting player to New England, but Bill Bellichick gets the credit for coaching the players up!
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
and this is a much better post Auto. I can get down with a few of your thoughts here. Maybe the UFC could do better with a less-aggressive leader. Who knows, they may be able to get it done in NY. I don’t have the answers, but it appears Dana can do no wrong as he pretty much does and says whatever the hell he wants.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
I’m not the best at getting my point across and I totally back down to the Dana bashing.
He’s done very well for himself and the UFC.
I just personally believe that someone will have to take over, at some point in the future, to take the UFC to the next level for global domination.
I just can’t see Dana being the man to do it.
Maybe Dana will have to prove a lot of us wrong
If Harry Potter's so magical, why cant he cure his own eyesight and get laid. A teenage lad shouldnt need a broomstick to cling onto.
-- Frankie Boyle
I also think that Dana
gets more credit than he deserves. I think the big fat cheques that the Fertitas got him to deliver had more to do with it. As far as I am concerned he was in the right place at the right time with correct backers with deep pockets and major contacts. As far as selling itself, the gladiatorial nature of the sport would always make people want to see it it , it being banned would definitely have slowed the growth but it was always going to be there especially with some of the exciting fighters and fights that they have had. When those first videos were released I actually thought the sport was called UFC fighting and never used to call it MMA, so did everyone I know. That was the power of the brand name UFC, actually did not know other orgs existed, that was not down to Dana. I am not saying he hasn’t done a good job getting his point across so eloquently in his business meetings and showing that the positives far outweigh the negatives with information gathered by the business minds behind the scenes, but with the backing he had and their contacts and with the nature of the sport itself guaranteed to always create interest plus the exciting fighters who were a major reason for the rise, they could have put Big John McCarthy in his position and the result would have been the same, apart from not having an arrogant prick in charge and few less pissed of fighters. I agree with what he says about overrated Frank though,good knockout but pathetic performance against someone who did not look like a threat at all, but he hasn’t got a clue about Florian.
Yep
Spot on, man. I think it’s about time that either Frank or Lorenzo start taking more of a public role in the company instead of Dana. He’s gotten to the point of being like a bully on the playground.
Totally agree
He should not be making swaying comments of any kind.
That is our job!
Having thousands of posts on a MMA site does not make you an expert, training martial arts, wrestling or boxing makes you an expert.
agreed Dave
and like I said, this is coming from someone who has defended Dana in the past!
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
I think Dana is a douche most of the time. I don’t feel like he should be bashing his employees, but at the same time, I agree with this opinion.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
Dana is 100% right, hahaha
I usually hate it when he bashes his fighters but Mir is the definition of a frontrunner.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 27, 2010 2:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yea he had no clue how to proceed after he failed the TD attempts again and again
I don’t think Frank had a plan “B” that knee in the end was just chance; cause there wasn’t shit happening in the fight at any other time before that.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 27, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
the sad part is
7 months from now, we will be having an argument with someone who uses Frank’s KO of CC as evidence of his amazing stand-up abilities.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
his improved muay thai...did you see the knee he dropped on Crocop?
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
^^supposed to be in quotes^^
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
Anderson Silva/vintage Wand-esque even.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
No the sad thing is gonna be the promo for the next Mir fight
“He’s got great BJJ, and now we’ve seen from his last fight that his stand up is amazing as well! He knocked out Mirk Cro Cop a K-1 legendary MMA Striker, Frank is for real!”
Yea I just threw up a little typing that…
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 27, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions
in other news
I just knocked down a veteran from WWII. Dude was tough as nails. I guess I am a bad mofo!
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
cue the old men fighting gif...
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
Where's epic beardman when you need him?
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
OD thats too funny
and Id be a liar if I said it wasn’t withing the realm of possibility
Vitor is In. Vitor will Win.
Now thats a fockin Poem.
I don't even remember any takedown attempts (except one in the 3rd)
He was pushing cro cop against the cage, but not attempting to take him down
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
He was trying to shoot but he's so slow that CC easily defended every time
All he had to do was dip down a little bit get underhooks and it was right off to the cage. At that point I have no idea what’s goin through Mir’s head. Body lock/throw or inside leg trip? Something, anything? Hell even to go with Rogan’s suggestion, PULL GUARD, he just didn’t do a damn thing when he got stopped.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 27, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, for example Kenny Florian
You may think it, but you dont need to tell us everything Dana. You’re slagging these guys off then asking people to spend $50 in the months to come to watch them fight again! real Smart!!
Exactly
Couple points:
I find it hard to believe that Dana just started feeling this way about Frank. He is a fan, he can see the same things we see.
Yet,
He finds us all so stupid that he sells a major PPV with Frank as the headliner- against CC. And I am supposed to buy this? I am supposed to get excited for this?
Dana is essentially calling us stupid.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
I don't blame Dana...
we need to look at it through his eyes…he promotes these shows 24hrs a day and is a fan as well, if we were disgusted by the fight then how does the president feel, while watching it live with friends and fans? That was the worst fight I have ever seen!!! And thats 20yrs plus of watching boxing and MMA every weekend…
I disagree
Dana is RIGHT ON about Mir in this case. He sucked and Dana has every right to tell him so! After all….he’s paying him!
he can say he sucked
he’s saying he has no heart and is lumping it in for his career as a whole, not just this fight
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
It seems silly that Dana would diss the "no heart having Mir"
because if this is true ( and it is ) then;
a) Why sign a guy like this
b) Why act surprised when he behaves this way
c) Why feature him on a card
d) Why have him fight guys he can beat thus making it hard to cut him
Dana calm down and go have a pinkberry son!
"Clearly you don't know our women, I could have marched them up here based off of what I have seen this morning."
~ King Leonidas
by WarriorSaint on Sep 27, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
No more PinkBerry for DW. When was the last time you saw his neck?
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
True again......Lets have TERRY TATE pay him a visit
"Clearly you don't know our women, I could have marched them up here based off of what I have seen this morning."
~ King Leonidas
by WarriorSaint on Sep 30, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah if anything
Dana is the Grinch who stole Mir’s fucking bonus check!
by Edgecrusher71 on Sep 27, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Real classy and professional as always Dana, putting the bad mouth on your own fighters.
You forgot to mention that as soon as Mir takes one solid shot he folds up like a cheap accordian and procedes to block punches with his face.
I just don't get Dana's approach....
honestly, when was the last time you heard NFL or MBL commissioners or Davis Stern comment on one of their athlete’s performances? Other than to congratulate them on a good performance after winning a superbowl, or a pennant, or a championship?
You don’t. Because it isn’t their place to make comments like those. Then are corporate officials in charge of multiple-billion dollar sports leagues. Athletes performances speak for themselves and fan form their own opinions based on those performances.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
He has intentionally made himself the center of attention of the UFC universe.
Does he need to comment on the performances of the fighters? No
Does he need to badmouth other organizations or their fighters? No.
When was the last time you heard sDavid Stern belittle the European basketball or lesser leagues?
When was the last time you heard an NFL official badmouth the CFL? They don’t.
When was the last time you sawStern or Roger Gidell oversees press conference between 2 teams? You don’t.
Heals always says he wants to be mainstream yet many of his own actions are detrimental to those desires.
He needs to act like the president of the UFC and not interject himself into every situation needlessly.
A PR rep could easily oversee the weighing. A PR rep could easily oversee the pre and post fight conferences. A PR rep could easily address issues like fighters missing weight, s
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
Or failed drug tests, or any other issue that does not deal with executive oversight, business management and expansion or corporate policy.
Again. Sorry for the spelling. Writing all this from an iPhone.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
+1
My Top MMA Talents
1. Jon ''Bones'' Jones
2. Anthony ''Showtime'' Pettis
3. Phil ''Mr. Wonderful'' Davis
4. Charles '' Do Bronx" Oliveira
5. Rory ''The Waterboy'' MacDonald
by robinhorobson on Sep 27, 2010 2:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Comment of the week material right here lol.
by HappyLittleTreez on Sep 27, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Lesnar and Carwin..
took Mir’s heart away. Now Mir is just a big talker that can’t back up his BS. War Dana!
Pat Berry
Cheick Kongo
Junior Dos Santos
Alistair Overeem
Wanderlie Silva
Mark Hunt
all could not KO Cro Cop
Mir Puts Cro Cop to sleep who is a legend and gets no KO Bonus with th eonly KO of the night
how shity is that
i dont care how crappy the fight was
I kinda agree
esp. if he made the bonus announcement after the weigh in like he usually does. I don’t care how bad the fight was, if you said “70k for KO of the night” you have to award it!
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
umm no.. you don't.
He should… but he doesn’t HAVE two. It’s a voluntary bonus – not in the contract.
I think Mir is on DW’s piss list anyway. Why was he not re-signed in the WEC for commentating? Somethings up. ANd mir does talk too much trash.
Vitor is In. Vitor will Win.
Now thats a fockin Poem.
no, u misunderstood BZ
I’m saying if at fighter meetings after the weigh ins, as we’ve seen him do in the past, he announced "bonus’s will be 70k and will be awarded for FOTN, sub and ko of night, then verbally he has agreed to pick a winner in those 3 categories. If he didn’t announce it, then you are right!
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
that is in no way a binding verbal agreement of two parties
he should… but he doesn’t have to. But I think he should.. especially in light of OD’s comment above.
Vitor is In. Vitor will Win.
Now thats a fockin Poem.
not legally
my point is it’s a dick move to go against your word. If I tell my son he’ll get an allowance for doing dishes, but reneg because he takes too long to do them, it’s wrong on my part. I’m not talking legally, just morally and being a man of his word!
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
Correct Kevin
There’s so much debate nowadays about people being boring and not finishing fights, then someone does and doesn’t get the reward??
To play devil's advocate...the fight WAS boring.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
I'll let you in on a little secret Diceman
It was the first fight – main even for that matter… that I ever walked out on.
I left early because I stopped caring and was tired. I didn’t even see the finish.
Vitor is In. Vitor will Win.
Now thats a fockin Poem.
Wow, BZ. This seals it. I ain't wasting my time. Thanks.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I started to nod off, AT THE BAR. No kidding, had to get up and walk around.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
To be honest CC didn't look any different than his last time out
He just looked like he didn’t wanna pull the trigger x 10 cause of Mir’s ground game. What really surprised me was Mir doing NOTHING at all to switch up his game or get more aggressive.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 27, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
As I said below, both guys looked like they were there to collect a check. And not get hurt doing it. CC has looked awful lately so that part didn't surprise me. I certainly expected more from Mir.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
How disappointing. Doesn't CC have aspirations of running for office in Croatia?
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Hope so, because he no longer has aspirations of fighting to win.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
$$$ for his campaign fund? He is not broke like Shamrock, is he?
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I don't know, surely not. I have to think he has made significantly more coin in his career than Sham-wow. I'm telling you he didn't give a rat's ass whether he won or lost.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
I believe you, Dice. Just terrible (in Charles' Barkley's voice).
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
About watching the main event, BZ. I will skip it and watch the other fights instead.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
fail
*now
Shake my head at myself. My typing is horrid of late
Vitor is In. Vitor will Win.
Now thats a fockin Poem.
BTW - Italy is great.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Great stuff.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
What was the highlight for you? As, breaking down a vaca that long is tough to do here…
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
Florence, Rome and Pompeii (outside of Naples) were the best.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I take it you went to the coloseum?
Did they still have the people there dressed up as gladiators? One of the ones I saw had a shield held together with gaffer tape. Not entirely authentic!
Some guy was 5'7 and 120 lbs with the costume on. He asked if I wanted to take a pic. I laughed. The Coloseum was more impressive outside than inside.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Lol, i saw one who weighed twice that with a beer gut! if that was my job I'd make more of an effort to look the part.
I agree inside aint much, some nice views of outside, thats about it.
jealous man
sounds like you have some stories to go a lifetime.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
I will email you pics.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
What exactly is the verdict/status on the Italian poon tang situation?
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 27, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Italian women are not hot overall. And not an ass man's paradise either. Thank God for the tourist ass. Food is great, though.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
@OJ
was going to email you later.
Busy at work and flipping screens. ahrd to keep up
Vitor is In. Vitor will Win.
Now thats a fockin Poem.
No worries, man. I will send pics later.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
No problem, man.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I was very disappointed, BZ. Neither fighter looked like they were doing more than showing up to collect a check.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Dream was way better
James Thompson and Kawagutchi was more fun to watch
NOT KIDDING
Vitor is In. Vitor will Win.
Now thats a fockin Poem.
And he got screwed out of the decision.
The one time his glass jaw doesn’t let him down and the judges fuck him. poor bastard cant catch a break.
I'm such a moron I somehow completely blanked on the DREAM situation. Right after I re-add HDNET to the lineup too.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
Oh it sucked balls dice, no doubt about it but.........
I didn’t know it was written in to the small print that in order to qualify for KO of the night bonus you must be involved in a barn burner!
Completely agree, that's why I was ONLY playing devil's advocate. I also don't agree with Dana's statement here, well I do agree, but not with the idea of him being the one to say it.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
I too agree with his statement but agree he shouldn't be the one to say it.
So basically we agree, agreed?
You could make the same argument for Mohamed Ali
Pretty sure I could knock him out now too. Once was doesn’t mean always is.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
JDS who is the current KO King of the Division couldn’t do it
pat berry a very dangerous striker couldn’t do it
Mir shouldnt have been in the main event.
He is a main card fighter but not main event fighter.
If he was just another fighter on the card and not the headline people wouldnt have bitched as much.
by Lester The Pimp on Sep 27, 2010 2:36 PM EDT reply actions
Mir Vs Big Nog was headline material. Unfortunately, injuries happen.
by EvolutionMMA on Sep 27, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe to someone that doesnt truly enjoy MMA. We saw two heavily respected grapplers have a fight that was nothing but stand up where reporst say Nog had very bad staph heading in.
In a perfect world when Nog is dropped he is ready for you in his guard which is why Frank avoided it before finally finishing him. A healthy Nog would have provided a much better fight then Mirko.
by EvolutionMMA on Sep 27, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
No argument about that
Nog would have put up a better fight than CC no question, but it still wasnt worthy of being a main event.
by Lester The Pimp on Sep 27, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe you are right, maybe I was just nostalgic looking forward to seeing Nog as I am a big fan.
by EvolutionMMA on Sep 27, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Dana is just lashing out because of theway the fight turned out
I think the biggest reason for the fight sucking was because of Cro Cop playing “not too lose” and hardly trying anything aggressive til the end where he was ko’d.
So if Dana is going to bad mouth anyone, it should be Mirko. Altho, it’s not 100 percent Cro Cop’s fault either considering the circumstances(short notice/eye injury).
It’s times like this where being “real to the fans” is a detriment because he’s letting his emotions dictate over common sense.
Last time he had a shitty card/main event, he offered an apology and promised he’d “make it up to fans”. That at least showed humility and would have done better in this case instead of shitting on Mir like that.
"in this day and age of "let's erect a statue"-isn't it time Jerry Reinsdorf is honored" - The Swirsk
by RogersPark Kris on Sep 27, 2010 2:36 PM EDT reply actions
what is our makeup for this one?
We get a Biz fight for the 112 fiasco. What is he going to do? Pretty sure Kalib Starnes is signed with another promotion.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
Naaaaah
How dare you ask for another Kalib fight! We’ll probably get Jardine vs. Bonnar II or something equally bad. Either that or Anderson vs. Cote II. Take your pick.
Depends
Would we get more crazy kamehameha moves from Anderson? Or would he go out there to finish? At least with 117, it was exciting with Sonnen winning… UFC 112, 97 and 90 sucked with Silva though.
This was just a bad match up for both fighters as far as excitment goes.
Mir is not a great takedown fighter and CC is great at stopping the takedown. CC and Mir both have good stand up striking D. CC doesn’t go for takedowns this fight = a chess match were neither fighter wanted to get to aggressive witch shows great respect to eachothers game. Even though by the sounds of it they don’t like eachother.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
If you wanna blame someone, it's Mir
CC didn’t pull the trigger at all but did anyone expect any different? He was the underdog, Frank was supposed to come in and crush him; instead all he does is fail TD attempt after TD attempt and clinch against the fence? Cro Cop spent more than half of each rd working underhooks and getting pressed into the cage by Mir, it’s not his fault the favorite wasn’t confident in any other skills he had.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 27, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Fine, Mir's gameplan was terrible
But shouldn’t Cro Cop get at least equal blame for doing hardly anything? Cro Cop looked happy to jsut survive.
He should have won the striking battle but all he was confident to do was throw an occasional counter.
Hell, he barley threw his trademark kicks. That would have at least kept it somewhat interesting.
I fucking hate that I’m defending Mir cause i think he’s washed up and an overall douche, but Dana is out of line on this one.
"in this day and age of "let's erect a statue"-isn't it time Jerry Reinsdorf is honored" - The Swirsk
by RogersPark Kris on Sep 27, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
CC's always been a counter fighter and lately been on the decline
I expected a lot MORE out of Mir because
1. Mir was the favorite
2. Mir supposedly had more ways to win the fight
3. Cro Cop was in on short notice
4. I knew CC wasn’t going to as aggressive because of the threat of Mir’s ground game
Now is CC blameless, no I’m not saying that, but it’s definatley more on Mir than it is Cro Cop; he did talk a big game about his tools, well rounded abilities, he talked up his wrestling training and he got in there and didn’t do shit…
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 27, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
good post O damn
You have to look at CC too, when was his last exciting fight? A lot here said CC had the tools to defend against Mir, and he did. The man has great grappling skills and a solid striking D. JDS didn’t KO CC until the third either and many believe JDS is the best stand up HW fighter today. So were you really surprised that a fighter Barnett had problems with grappling CC and JDS, Fedor, Barry and others had problems standing with CC are you really surprised that he gave Mir problems.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
For me I'm more surprised that Mir had so many problems
But then again maybe I overestimated Mir; I was rooting for CC but I knew the chances of him pulling it off weren’t all that great. about 5 years ago I think CC would’ve completely murdered Frank, but based on the last couple performances I was a little surprised that Frank was completely shut down and unable to impose his game.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 27, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
CC still has a great defence and always has
Him not having an effective leg strike has really takin away on his ability to finish opponents. Not only has age maybe slowed CC down but he can’t corner opponents like he did in boxing. He’s not the easiest guy to finish either as even the great Fedor was unable to finish CC.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
4 knee surgeries will do that
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 27, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Always so humble... not
Seriously, why would you say something like that about one of your top 10 HWs? This is why I think a fighters union is inevitable in the very near future. Look at the NFL, NBA, even MLB. If the head of the organization says something like this, it comes back to haunt the guy in charge. In the UFC, Dana just spouts off at the mouth without thinking these days. You want to be viewed as a professional sport? Then shut up. Plain and simple, Dana. Sorry, I may totally hate Mir (still holding a grudge from UFC 92), but damn, no need to totally degrade a fighter who was willing to put up with an opponent change and still finished the opponent. Be a bit grateful and pay the man his KO bonus.
I said it before and I'll say it again.
If Mir can’t finish in the first 3 minutes of the fight, he isn’t winning. And just because he got the KO over Cr-cop doesn’t mean anything. It was a total fluke.
Dana is 100% correct and has every right to say what he says. This is the fight game and he makes his money by putting on good fights. I’d be mad if he went up to Mir and gave him a pat on the back and said “good job”.
And every fighter will take it. Why? Because the UFC is the place to be. Sure, there is life outside of the UFC but would you really want to move to etheopia when you live in Canada/US ?
Riding the Brock Train..
Jon Fitch and Gray Maynard can suck it. If I want a blanket I'll buy it in the store, not on PPV.
Chael Sonnen = Pillow hands
Oh and Frank Mir sucks and no one can prove otherwise.
why all the whining?
It’s not like DW is saying anything that isn’t true
if anything, I’m GLAD he says these things, because main events like Mir/Cro Cop do not deserve the PPV dollars that are spent on purchasing these events.
If Dana did the opposite and was defending this crap card, THEN I’d be annoyed.
Do you have a job? (not being a dick)
If your boss said that you were lazy and had no heart in your next company meeting, would you want to work for him?
DW has said very disparaging things about the, arguably, 3rd best 155lb fighter in the WORLD and a top 10 HW. Add in the past bullshit with Fitch (#2 WW), Couture (top 10-15 LHW) and BJ (#2LW) and you have the making of a big contingent of good fighters that could fuck him if they leave.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
lol
yes, I have a job
and yes that would suck to get called out
but Mir talked a lot of junk, hyped himself up, and then proceeded to BOMB in the main event, embarrassed the company, etc etc
tell me, did you purchase this PPV to see it? or did you stream/download?
Frank Mr's main job is to entertain. Which he didn't
At the end of that day it is show business. It is not a regular job. Thus using a regular employer as an example as Dana White doesn’t count.
Riding the Brock Train..
Jon Fitch and Gray Maynard can suck it. If I want a blanket I'll buy it in the store, not on PPV.
Chael Sonnen = Pillow hands
Oh and Frank Mir sucks and no one can prove otherwise.
Mir's job is to win. Regardless of what type of employment setting - if the boss talks shit after you did what you were supposed to then that leads to potential problems.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I don't think it's that cut and dry
it’s not just about winning and losing- it’s about entertaining. If it wasn’t, there would be no such thing as KO of the night, sub of the night, fight of the night.
winning is essentially the “minimum”. In the workplace (mine anyway), meeting the minimum isn’t always enough. It’s not just with fighting.
If the fear here is that fighters aren’t going to like it, then I say
1. why do you care?
2. the fighters are free to not sign their next contract if their psyches can’t handle their boss being embarrassed of them
agreed, but there is a pattern of top guys getting bashed.
too many guys don’t sign that next contract and you are in trouble as a promoter.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
in a way I can relate this to my workplace
lower producing people don’t get emailed when they meet the minimums. it’s accepted that, hey we’ll keep you around, just keep chugging
but those who set themselves apart will hear about it if they start to fall off. they’ve set the standard for themselves and have to live up to those standards.
if it’s like that in my office here in suburbia, then it shouldn’t be too surprising to see it happening in a big time company, yeah?
But it is not public knowledge when you are falling off is it?
Does the whole company (as opposed to the entire mma community) know thta you are not doing well?
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
of course at this point this is where the differences make it..different
MMA is entertainment
entertainment is public
I guess at that point it becomes apples and oranges…or grapefruits or something
lol
I see your point, but I still think the potential ramfications outweigh the potential benefits.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
Disagree with you, cough. Winning is the only thing in sports. Winning with style points is all well and good but in the end its about victory.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
and I disagree with you sir (respectfully lol)
again, if winning was the only thing that mattered, then there would be no fight bonuses, and DW wouldn’t be ranting
now you may argue, there’s a lot of people complaining on this board that this is a SPORT and should be judged strictly based on wins
to counter that, I submit to you the argument that it really doesn’t matter what hardcores think, because it’s the fan that has not been captured by MMA yet that DW is thinking about entertaining, not you (or us for that matter)
Bonuses are meant to encourage finishes - which is the best way to win. You can lose while looking good and still be cut. I agree with your last statement, though. Good stuf, cough.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
thanks, I try to provide the right amount of obnoxiousness with a little bit of reasoning ;)
bonuses are meant to encourage finishes..which are indeed the best way to win, you’re right…but why is finishing the best way to win?
is it because it’s awesome to see a fight finished?
spectacular?
conclusive?
all of the above
but most of all, it’s because people LOVE IT. why? because it’s ENTERTAINING!!- especially to the casual viewer.
come on, O, you gotta give me that one!
In sports, winning is everything
in COMBAT sports, winning is great. Being entertaining is awesome. Winning AND being entertaining is where it’s at though.
The Romans didn’t throw Christians to the lions to see the humans pull off a decision victory via clinching against the Colosseum, that’s for sure.
The roman line is funny as hell. Decision win against the lion FTW.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
Wins are conclusive. Finishes are a display of dominance in that conclusion. And yes, they are awesome and entertaining. The only thing I disagree with is that entertainment should trump winning. Mir won (by finish) even if the fight was boring.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
touché
but we all know that entertainment > winning (although entertaining people will get cut if they don’t win)
it’s DW’s paradox and I suppose there’s nothing that can be done
For the casuals for sure
but, I enjoy Jon Fitch fights AND I like soccer. So, I don’t quite fit this mold…
Flame away.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
I'm all for slick submissions and great transitions
jon fitch and soccer I’ll leave for you!
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
I agree. In sports winning is the only thing. Which is why I am a big Vince Lombardi type of guy.
by EvolutionMMA on Sep 27, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Technically; Mir's job is to fight
He’s getting paid to show up and throw down; now whether he wins or not is up to him and I don’t think the boss could care less one way or the other as long as he gets a good fight out of it. But Dana’s made it very clear, he’s not paying/employing guys to go in and get after decisions; he wants some good fights.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 27, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
It does count, becuase it is a business relations issue, not an entertainment issue.
DW bashed an employee. Nothing stopping that employee from leaving at any point upon contract termination. Burning bridges with guys that are top 10 in any weight class has the potential to catch up with DW at some point in the future. The UFC makes money becasue of the talent, not because they are the UFC.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
I didn't order because I didn't think it was worth it. I don't pirate PPV either.
I haven’t commented on the fights because I havent seen them. I saw CB choke Dork Son, but that is all. I had a family night. Not sure what this has to do with anything.
But would you start looking for another job? I would.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
well I did order
because I’m legit
and what I saw from the main event DISGUSTED me as a consumer
DW is aware of this (not me specifically, but he’s aware that the product he’s pushing sucked BIG TIME that night).
He wants his fighters to perform so that customers are happy, and so that the company makes more money.
Simple concept.
bashing them after the fact accomplishes that how, exactly?
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
well
some people believe in negative non-reinforcement I guess.
either way, I spent money on this PPV, and I’m happy to see Mir get chewed out for wasting my money. I was happy when Anderson got the treatment also..and guess what, he came back and triangled Chael Sonnen.
maybe it works, man ;)
maybe
and maybe I am just tired of DW being DW. I want to see MMA grow beyond two-bit promoters like Dana White and the sport ascend to the heights both he and I believe it will ascend to.
I just don’t see that happening when I read quotes like this from the president of the company. Too much like Vince McMahon.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
agree to disagree?
but I do agree that it’s very Vince McMahon-esque..
McMahon’s built an empire though, so it’s not really a bad model to follow
good discussion, thanks.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
Exactly, Ulf.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
furthermore
If your boss said that you were lazy and had no heart in your next company meeting, would you want to work for him?
what?
Please explain the rambling thoughts in your head written above, as the cohesion of randomness has been completely lost on someone as simple as me.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
lol, cool. I thought I was being dense, or missed something. :)
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
Yeah Dana needs to look at the match up and is more to blame than these guys.
Style wise these guys are horrible. CC still has great D standing and grappling but lacks finishing ability and Mir is not better standing than JDS who it took 3 rounds for him to finish CC what did you really expect? Were the fighters to catious? Yes and that = a boring fight more times than not.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Gotta take the good with the bad.
and not until the Fertitas get tired of him, he’s not going anywhere.
Facebook is for gays!
What will it take for Dana to go away?
Guys can’t speak up against this guy because he’s petty…if u speak up publicly the way he does, he’ll smash u, if he can. Mir had a terrible fight, say it. To publicly question his heart…unless ur fighting him, stfu! I’m fed up w/ this clown. Buddy took advantage if his buddies money, now the aerobic instructor is a tough guy calling out former HW champ.
by Soon2B on Sep 27, 2010 3:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Dana White is the reason ur watching ufc hes the reason mma is popular enough to have websites where we can argue over it,and when dana talks about fighters hes talking as a fan and not to mention he tells the truth…u people should quit hating on dana and b thanking him for what hes built
by phatmacjuggalo10 on Sep 27, 2010 4:11 PM EDT reply actions
the funny part is
this very website used to be called UFC mania. Not MMA mania.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
Understand something very important...
The FIGHTERS are the reason we watch this sport smartass. How big was Pride before the UFC? you know the real reason we watch the UFC? It’s because of guys like Forrest Griffin, Randy Couture, Chuck Liddell and others. They made the UFC what it is, NOT Dana.
He would have you believe that he did it all himself. Don’t forget that he wouldn’t even have been able to buy the UFC if it wasn’t for the Fertittas, so stop drinking the Kool aid and see what’s really going on.
by judomania on Sep 27, 2010 4:27 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
if you really want to be fair about it
The reason we know about Forrest, Randy, and Chuck has just as much to do with promotion as well as their fighting.
there are many casual fans who neither know, or give a crap about Fedor. Why? Could it be that his promoters are getting in the way? think about it.
I watch mma/ufc despite over-rated bums like forrest,randy,and chuck…i could argue wit u but whats the point we wont agree
by phatmacjuggalo10 on Sep 27, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
The point is, as much credit as you want to give to Dana, you should give two-fold to the fighters since all Dana does is promote them. Without the fighters Dana has no one to support. Goes both ways.
"I'm not superstitious, but I am a little stitious."-Michael Scott
It's nice to see most of you be fair and admit that this is bullshit
Dana is a prick, plain and simple. This just proves to me that he is the biggest shameless p. o. s. in any sport. How dare he say that. Say what you want about any fighter, these guys train like crazy, put their family life on hold, and their health at risk to make this asshole rich and this is the thanks they get?
Put Dana in the octagon with Mir. I will pay to see this ignorant white trash eat his words while getting his arm broken.
by judomania on Sep 27, 2010 4:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
biggest P.O.S. in any sport
now thats a stretch! there are way worse guys who treat guys way worse. This happens to be a comment that is in bad taste, but it’s no more than his opinion. It shouldn’t have been said but it’s far from the worst thing he’s ever said!
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
Thats my opinion and I stand by it.
I’m pretty sick of him. He makes money off these guys but then turns around and treats them like shit.
If I were him, I would be humble and respectful to my bread and butter. Sure there are a few bad apples, and they must be dealt with accordingly, but his behaviour as a President is a joke.
by judomania on Sep 27, 2010 4:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't disagree
I just think there are agents and other people in sports that are way worse than a guy that doesn’t know when to shut up!
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
so its ok for a fighter to treat the company like shit by going into a fight , standing around doing nothing for almost 3 rounds get a paycheck and go home ? .. but if the company says anything its disrespect and blah blah blah ..
where do you work judomania ? , would love to see what happens if you went to work and just stood there all day.
I think Dana can and has every right to criticize this performance
he’s criticizing Mir’s career and heart
mondaymorningblackbelt.com
Seems childish kinda' petty....
Dana White just turned into one of those "Idiot Online Keyboard MMA Commenters"…that he hates so much. except his Keyboard is a microphone and he’s not in his mom’s basement.
no, your argument is what's bullshit
the ol’ “LETS SEE WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU PUT THE FAN/OFFICE GUY IN THERE WITH THE PLAYER/FIGHTER” argument is retarded. end of story.
come up with something more smart to say.
Well, how about more smarter?
Does that meet your criteria? He’s not an office guy. He markets himself as the face of the UFC and if you do that while disrespecting your staff then you need to back it up. He talks about Frank Mirs heart when he doesn’t even have the heart to put down those Krispy Kreme donuts.
And Kev, you make a good point, there is worse stuff happening on our planet.
by judomania on Sep 27, 2010 4:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
for all you know
The Fertitas could be the ones telling DW to do whatever he can to get these boys fired up or shipped out..do we know for sure? of course not
bottom line, it may very well be on his job description to put these guys on blast for the AWFUL/LACKLUSTER performances that they’ve been dishing out
and if that’s the case, then he’s doing his job very well.
There’s no way that these guys should be getting away with wasting my money (the consumer’s money) like that. Ever.
Thank you DW for standing up for the consumer.
ask for a refund and see where you get. lol.
And as a consumer, you should have felt how bad this fight could have potentially been beforehand.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
Sorry, but I can't indulge in an argument that makes no sense.
Are you Dana White? Bc that’s the only way I can see such blind devotion. First he’s awesome for “telling it like it is” then, he’s awesome bc he’s just a puppet for the Fertittas. You make no sense.
Fact is, even if you like the guy, you have to admit this is an asshole move. Where’s his criticism of CC?
Oh that’s right, he likes him so he wouldn’t say that. I hate Dana, so for me this is just another notch in his stupidity.
Put yourself in a position where you train for an assignment for work. You spend weeks on it, you work really hard. Time comes to present your assignment, and while it’s slow, it eventually gets the clients approval. Then your boss shits all over you for it. Despite being successful.
Argue as much as you want cough, if that happened to you, you’d admit your boss was an a’hole. Bottom line.
by judomania on Sep 27, 2010 4:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
As I stated above, Dana should do these kinds of thing behind closed doors
as any good employer should do with his employees. Does he have too? No of course not but it would have been more professional which I guess is a long time critique of Dana.
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Sep 27, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Spot on, sooner.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I can agree with that.
Either way I don’t think it appropriate to question the heart of a guy who came back from a serious injury.
by judomania on Sep 27, 2010 5:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I sincerely doubt DW has forgotten about the motorcycle accident
He was referring to Mir’s heart within confines of fights..something that has been questioned openly by lots of people in the past if I’m not mistaken?
As I have said many times before.....You don't see Roger Godell trashing
NFL coaches/players when he has a live mike shoved in his face. You always, always, always, Praise in public, rebuke in private.
Otherwise, how dumb does DW look when a HW fighter gets hurt a month before the fight and the only available HW is Mir who won’t take the fight to save the card because of DW’s comments.
I agree Mir’s performance was shabby BUT that is not how you build loyalty with the people who are paying your freakin mortgage. Last I checked people don’t go to the UFC events to see Dana…….they go to see the fighters PERIOD.
"Clearly you don't know our women, I could have marched them up here based off of what I have seen this morning."
~ King Leonidas
by WarriorSaint on Sep 27, 2010 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
yes, of course I’d think he was being an a-hole…but that’s human to become defensive when your performance is being questioned (even if it’s questioning from a higher up who doesn’t know how to do your job. it happens. even at the office).
the blind devotion was me trolling you lol, of course DW doesn’t REALLY care about the consumer, he simply cares about his bottom line (which to me is understandable, because we’re all out for ourselves and our loved ones)
but honestly, the part where you say that the presentation, while slow, eventually gets approval? that’s where your argument falls off. no one…NO ONE was happy with that main event (except for maybe some Mir diehards).
You missed my point
If we go by Dana’s laws of physics, “don’t leave it inthe hands of the judges” then he did what was asked of that simple rule.
Paint it whatever which way you like, he’s a hypocrite and none of us would like that to happen to us.
And I don’t buy that about you trolling. If you’re that blindly devoted to him that’s fine, stick to your convictions, but don’t change your tune just bc I disagree.
I can accept other peoples points of view, but my judgement in life is based on whether or not I would appreciate it if I were in someone elses shoes.
And if he was my boss, I wouldn’t have appreciated that at all. My point is that not even success will provide people with education or class. These are 2 things DW sorely lacks.
by judomania on Sep 27, 2010 5:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dana White = ArmChair QuarterBack Fan
Dana is a "Bitter PinkBerry Guzzling No Talent Gutless Ex Boxer" turned Successful Ruthless UFC President…. I think it takes a guy with a Chip on His Shoulder to talk shit about Florian and Mir… What has he ever done as an athlete that backs up what it takes to be a Champion?… But ‘Hey he’s the BossMan…. we all know how well dana could pick a team of winners from the TUF show… what does he know about stepping into an MMA Cage, we all know he couldn’t hack it in boxing.
hope Mir has an intelligent rebuttle that digs into DW, that "Chubby .
Exactly
So many people buy into his self-created ``badass`` image because he curses and wears cool t shirts. This guy is nobody without the Fertittas and his fighters yet he acts like some bigshot.
He``s likely just jealous that Mir and Florian are capable of getting through entire sentences without cursing. Something he could never do.
I agree, Dana's an absolute pussy who thinks swearing a lot makes him a tough guy
Danas such a chancer, if he didn’t happen to have gone to school with a billionaire casino owner, he’d still be teaching boxcercise classes in some backstreet vegas gym, but to hear him giving his billy big balls speeches, you’d think he was some kind of self made bigshot. Phoney prick.
It's nice to see most of you be fair and admit that this is bullshit
Dana is a prick, plain and simple. This just proves to me that he is the biggest shameless p. o. s. in any sport. How dare he say that. Say what you want about any fighter, these guys train like crazy, put their family life on hold, and their health at risk to make this asshole rich and this is the thanks they get?
Put Dana in the octagon with Mir. I will pay to see this ignorant white trash eat his words while getting his arm broken.
by judomania on Sep 27, 2010 4:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
dana has every right to say what he did .. i for one will not ever again pay for a ppv with mir as the headline , boooooorrring .. i’m sure i am not alone in that statement so dana is losing money because mir ‘phones it in’ .. i don’t give two shits if you train everyday if once fight time comes you bore the hell out of the audience and do jack shit for the whole fight , go back and train more or train less, maybe he was tired from “training like crazy” ..
If you want to call people out then be fair
Where’s that “I’m going to make it up to the fans” favour he still owes for the Silva Maia fight?
Where’s the title shot for Okami for the last 3 years?
And where is the equal criticism of CroCop?
He’s unprofessional and needs to go away.
by judomania on Sep 27, 2010 4:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
were gettin 2 free ppvs on spike and okami got hurt broke his hand i do believe when it was his turn to get the shot,,and cro flop isnt important enough to diss..Dana does alot for all ufc fans
by phatmacjuggalo10 on Sep 27, 2010 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Rather convenient...
And all happen to let Dana off the hook. Okami has been waiting for a title shot for a kong time, and has something like 7-8 UFC fights so he didn’t have a broken hand for that long.
If he cared about anything other then his own pocketbook then he would be much more generous to both fans and fighters. He doesn’t care about you or me. He cares about $$.
by judomania on Sep 27, 2010 5:42 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
All that armchair quarterbacking is fine..
Dana can say what he want, but so can we, so should Mir… I think Mir should say "yeah Dana u got a point I acted like a bitch’… but I have to take it from u because yr my boss and I let the fans down and it’s costing you money and me my career. But I got more heart as MMA fighter in my left nut sack than you ever had as a boxer u “Chubby Pink Berry Guzzling No talent Ex Boxer”…. but u make a great ruthless UFC President… glad to be on aboard sir… I will do better.
Used to be a Mir Fan.....
who can deny that he’s pulled of some aesthetically pleasing subs over the years (nevermind the quality of opponent), but i kind of agree with Dana, reluctantly. In just about every win Mir has had, he hasn’t taken a whole lot of punishment – with the exception of Lesnar 1. Can anyone name a fight that Frank has won, aside from the first Lesnar, where he had to battle adversity?? And I’m talking about adversity in the cage – NOT in life. I’ve been rooting for the guy for a long time, but I don’t think I can do it any more. He’s athletic, strong, somewhat quick, and can move decent on his feet. Why not even TRY to attempt a single against Cro Cop? A power single, that is, not one where he’s tied up against the cage, unsuccessfully trying to get his arms around Crocop’s leg. I know he’s not a wrestler, but who better to work on your wrestling against, i.e., power singles/ doubles, then a guy who is also not a wrestler but has (or had) decent take-down D? Now, any man has to have courage to get in the cage with the men Frank has fought (particularly recently), but I really wonder what his motivation is. Does he simply hope that he’ll get off the first piece of offense and then be able to go in for the quick finish? Not these days. But Dana White is an idiot. I’m not talking IQ stupid. But an idiot b/c he’ll turn on you in an instant. He has great things to say about Mir before the fight, based on a pretty long career and some substantially entertaining fights. Then as soon as Mir fights cautious and puts on a boring match – much to the displeasure of the Indiana crowd – then he sucks. If you get in the way of Dana and $$$$, then your on the poop-list. Oh well. Maybe Joe silva will arrange a Frank Mir, Houston Alexander, Kimbo triple threat match. Or a Cro-cop/ Houston vs Mir/ Kimbo money-in-the-bank ladder tag team match.
Welcome to my head
I was a mir fan for a long while. You hit the nail on the head. I came to this realization a few fights back for him. It feels good to get off that wagon. Do it.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
Heart? I'm all heart mother-f&#%er...
Watch Mir’s reaction after he beat Noguerra to get the interim heavyweight belt and finally realize that he’s made it back to the top of the heap after years of rehab following his motorcycle accident and tell me that man has no heart.
Mir certainly has his critics, (in all honesty I’m a Mir fan) and they may have a point on a number of things like his trash talking and sub-par performances against Brock and Carwin but the one thing you can’t take away from this man is his heart.
Not many people have the will, desire, and testicular fortitude to come back from depths Mir sank to after that accident back to where he is today and Dana calling him out for not having any heart after he finished that fight in the 14th minute is complete and utter bull$hit…
I don't know man
If Mir’s heart was stronger he wouldn’t have sunk so low I’m thinking. He should have fought hard to get back to the top after he was healed instead of resorting to booze. I feel bad saying that cus nobody can judge but I still think if you quit in life when it gets tough especially with a family to support for that stretch of time then the heart is in question.
Everyone has to remember a few things, regardless of how you come down on the management/labor issue.
First, these fighters are assets with legs. Meaning, you spend time and money to develop them in the hopes that the investment will pay off for you in the end. Frank Mir has gotten plenty of push since he tapped Brock, so it’s not like the brass hasn’t been in his corner.
Second, it doesn’t matter if you like it or not, but all sports entertainment industries are part sport and part entertainment. Frank Mir has been less than entertaining recently, getting absolutely demolished by Brock and Carwin, then putting on a big stinker against a guy he out-sized and out-tooled in CC. So forgetting his ability/sport score, he’s losing entertainment points.
Third, sorry if you don’t like it, but he’s an independent contractor in the same way that a plumber or electrician is an independent contractor. He signs a deal with a developer, and that developer agrees to pay him and, in the spirit of good will, advertises his contracting business on every site he’s contributing on. If things go south, or if the contractor tries to fuck the developer, you bet your God damned ass that the developer is going to make his disappointments public, and he’d be right to do so. If Mir looks to screw Dana on a couple of jobs at the end of his commitment, then Dana is (in my mind) obligated to devalue his name brand before parting company. And that’s what this is.
Florian and Mir are high profile guys who haven’t put up the performances they should have, at least not recently. Neither had Escudero. Dana’s message is simple: keep performing to the level you had prior to your brush with fame, or I’ll de-value your ass and kick you to the curb. There will be ZERO $800k Tim Sylvia paychecks in your future if you don’t take care of your obligations to me.
You can argue about the morality of it, and that’s fine. Many people believe capitalism is pure, unadulterated evil. But Dana is just behaving as a responsible capitalist. Why would he allow one of his employees/assets to hurt him on his way out the door, obviously intending to go help one of his competitors? This type of behavior doesn’t work in a truly open marketplace, because there’s always someone willing to take the chance. But in a closed system like this, or the NFL, or NBA, MLB or NASCAR, there is only so much employment opportunity. An effective blacklisting is only effective because of the lack of competition at the top.
And THAT is why so many people hate the UFC. Some people just don’t like for entities to grow beyond a certain point, regardless of merit.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
Really...
Why dont you review the role these `responsible`` capitalists played in shredding the world economy. Real responsible. Capitalism at its core is greed. Nothing wrong with running a viable business, but there is also something called business ethics. People are paid to provide a service. At the core of every business exchange is an agreement that both parties will act accordingly. Dana being boss does not mean he can act any way he wishes.
As President, he has a role to play of impartiality and treating all employees equally. You seem to have left that out. Where is his equal treatment here… no where to be seen. Mir underperformed, yes, but his `boss`` also has a duty to be fair and impartial in this matter.
The real problem that you are trying to hide here with your argument that people who dont like it `hate capitalism` is that Dana White at his very core does not care one bit about the talent that makes him rich. They are not only accountable to him, but he also is accountable to them.
I don't think Dana White owes it to any employee
to treat them a particular way. People won’t work for him if the workplace is too hostile, it’s pretty much as simple as that. If the rewards outweigh the risks for the fighters, then they’ll keep putting up with his personality, in much the same way most people have to put up with unfair, overbearing and generally dickish bosses.
What Dana White owes his employees is to keep to his agreements. If he agrees to sign a guy to a certain contract, and the employee/fighter keeps up his end of the stipulated bargain, then Dana owes him to keep his end of the deal. That’s it. There’s nothing wrong with a boss having favorites, and to somehow argue otherwise is to argue against basic human nature. It’s a non-starter.
As far as hiding anything within or behind my ‘argument?’ Come better prepared than that or leave the whiny shit at the door. Dana White has publicly stated, many times that certain guys have lifetime commitments from him for past services rendered, including Bonnar, Forrest and Chuck. He’s also the only guy who goes out of his way to cover certain guys’ outside-the-cage medical or legal issues. From what I can tell, he cares very much about talent, but he’s also a businessman and human being. He’s going to view talent (rightfully so) as a potential liability, and he’s also going to play favorites.
Is he perfect? Fuck no. Is he a successful boss, and leader of a world-wide multinational corporation? Yes. Frank Mir his own self was bitching about his performance, calling it all kinds of ugliness. What, Dana doesn’t get to put his fan hat on and make similar remarks? Please.
I’m ok with people disagreeing with me, it happens all the time. Just don’t try putting words in people’s mouths if you’re having a hard time coming up with hard, concrete facts to support your own ‘position.’ If you can’t defend it intelligently, examine it before lashing out at other people or trying to box them into a corner.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
Dana is just ArmChair Quarterbacking
Mir should be able to say something along those lines of what does this Chip on his Shoulder Failed Boxer with a girls name know about the heart of an athlete? Can he even pick a good TUF team?..lol… Dana liked Junie Browning, called Phillipe Nover the next GSP, there’s just a whole list of stupid shit he’s said, he doesnt quite know what heart is in terms of physical fighting, he’s never had it, he doesn’t understand it. I guess Mir will just have to remain quiet to not upset the already upset Dickhead Boss…. So I’ll arm chair quarterback from here as well… in favor of Mir…. geez I don’t even like Mir!
First off, attempting to call my points for any lack of intelligence is pathetic
My points are valid. So valid in fact that you did not address one of them. You were so big on responsible capitalism and yet you have no rebuttal. Furthermore, point out where I did any whiny bitching. I am simply stating the facts, and people like you, who are so quick to provide autofellatio to Dana White because he`s a self-proclaimed badass, buy into this crap because you feel it somehow makes you a bigger man.
You`re also full of it. If your parents, your boss or someone of an authoritative position in your life played favourites in a situation that left you on the short end of the stick, then you would call bullshit. So dont try to pretend its ok just because Dana White is the boss.
You mentioned favouritism as a human characteristic, yet you seem to forget other important ones such as compassion and the ability to be impartial. DW as boss of a major sports player should leave his criticism of athletes to himself, and especially when you consider the fact that these guys make him rich.
And don`t question my preparedness. My points are backed up, unlike yours. I`ve been called worse things by better people than you.
Frank has no hear? Dana is lumping it as a whole
Yeah, Dana can say what he wants he’s the boss, but it’s also a ‘stupid comment’ it’s one of the worst things you can say to an athlete, and he said Kenny ‘chokes’ I think that’s somewhere in the Top 5 worst comments to say to an athlete. “It’s really just ignorance coming from arm chair quarterbacking nothing more.”
My gut tells me something is wrong with the president of the company saying that about one of his fighters. What dana is doing is ‘character assassination’. When he says something like that it echos throughout all of the MMA. I don’t care for Frank Mir and yeah he’s kindaofa Front Runner, but to say he has no heart?… Did Dana forget that Mir had to overcome and career ending injury? Is that gutless? He took a beating from Brock and submitted him, that’s gutless? Mir bounced back to get some Ko’s that have nothing to do with taking an opponent down, is that gutless? Dana White just turned into one of those “Idiot Online MMA Commenters”…that he hates so much. except his Keyboard is a microphone.
I hope Mir has an intelligent rebuttle that digs into DW, that “Chubby PinkBerry Guzzling No Talent Gutless Boxer” turned Successful UFC President.
I wonder how big dana's heart would be if he ever got in the ring.
Criticize the performance of your fighters, if they suck all the time then don’t resign them, but to call frank’s heart into question is bullshit. It was bad, but it was still better than the antics Anderson silva pulls.
by Conan the Barbarian on Sep 28, 2010 1:46 AM EDT reply actions
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on MMAmania.com
Related FanShots on MMAmania.com
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
