Jon Jones vs Ryan Bader? 'Darth' not ready to 'rush into anything'
by Jesse Holland on Sep 26, 2010 10:43 AM EDT
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"I'm getting there, I'm young in the sport and I'm in no rush. 205, there's a bunch of tough guys and the title's gonna keep rotating. Anything can happen, we're powerful, quick guys and I see [the title] changing hands a few times. I'm not really rushing into anything, just taking it one fight at a time. You can't start looking towards a title shot, you gotta look at here and now. I got through Nogueira, that's what I was focusing on the whole time. Who knows who's next and we'll figure it out from there."
UFC light heavyweight contender Ryan Bader inches his way closer to a 205-pound title shot after defeating Antonio Rogerio Nogueira at UFC 119 on Sept. 25 in Indianapolis. The TUF 8 champ and undefeated powerhouse may be on a possible collision course with fellow surging prospect Jon Jones but doesn't sound like he's in any big rush to throw down with "Bones." Is there any other match-up in this division that makes sense? Or will these two battle for the next shot at division gold?
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I’d rather not have them meet. It would be like if the UFC put carwin and cain against each other before giving them title shots. Doesn’t make sense.
Don’t let Rashad just hang out for a year and make him fight one of the two. Not having him fight is fucking stupid. WTF did he do to earn a title shot back anyway.
Give me Jones vs Rashad. and Bader vs Franklyn or something. Having them fight against each other doesn’t make sense from a pure “pump people up” sort of thing.
it would be an interesting fight. See what happens when jones ends up on his back…
they can fight
there’s a lot of depth for contenders at 205. it’s nothing like the HW division once was
Next victim: Cain Velasquez
I agree dbcb
No point whatsoever in having them fight eachother, you’re guaranteed to de-rail one star prospect. Keep them apart and you’ve got two easily marketable title contenders. Thats exactly why the UFC cancelled the Cain vs Carwin fight.
I get what you dudes are saying, and perhaps from a marketing perspective it works even more, but there’s plenty LHW’s to go around and I like the spontaneity of a match-up between two up-and-comers.
The other good thing is that if one of them becomes champ some time in the future, if the fight is close, it sets up an interesting title fight down the line when both have made their necessary improvements.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
Also, it doesn’t matter if one gets derailed. If he keeps fighting and keeps winning he’ll be right back up there again anyway.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
i wanna see good fights
i hate all this protect the fighter’s record garbage, let them hook’em up and may the best man win.. no shame in losing to either man. as far as matchmaking goes this isnt boxing and i dont want it to be.
my sentiments exactly
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
Why is letting them mature as fighters called "protect the record?"
I think it’s more retarded to put guys who are not ready into fights that are way over their heads. Even worse though is having champions with big flaws in their games. We don’t want these joe rogan well rounded fighters like lytle. Guys who get the chance to fight more often against guys that 1) are durable and 2) make them work specific parts of their games, develop faster and better fundamental skills. Comparatively the guys who are put into big fights and win the one fight with some attribute like athleticism, cardio and some stylistic advantage or hell even the judges – get minimal experience out it. Because yes he won this fight and learned maybe one or two things but will be ready the face the monster coming next – i can guarantee you the first guy would be. And as the fights get harder the potential to learn new things while disadvantages becomes slimmer and slimmer because guys at a higher level get you out of the cage faster than mid level guys.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 26, 2010 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it’s more retarded to put guys who are not ready into fights that are way over their heads.
Of course, I don’t agree with that either. There are different tiers of fighters, for example, Bones and Bader, both of whom are in the top tier right now, in the contenders’ pool, so they’re swimming with the sharks now. And unless one were to argue the marketing side of things, I don’t see any good reason why they should not fight each other. That’s not to say there aren’t other good match-ups for them as well, but Bones/Bader should be a real possibility, and a good one.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
i just hate when a fight doesnt get put together
in order to let the fighter “mature” or to build the fight or whatever and then the guy gets knocked off by some nobody and it kills the fight forever. i cant stand the way boxing “star builds” by protecting their fighters, pretty much steering clear of any sign of danger.. any fighter will tell you they’ll learn more from a loss than a win so let them fight. sometimes getting thrown into the deep end is how you learn to swim, these guys are fighters so let them fight, we dont need anymore bobby lashleys in this sport…
no reason because jones would destroy bader imo
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
Bones will murder him
Bader couldn’t even take down Rogerio, how will he take down Bones Jones. Bones is simply on another level IMO.
"Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
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I would have Jones favored heavily in that fight,
but Bader is exactly what Jones hasn’t faced yet, a dominant top-position controller like him with a big, unpredictable right hand(also known as a “Koscheck,” adjectival form).
Bader is one of the few guys I can see having the tools to throw a wrench in the Bones Jones train’s gears.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
uhhhhh.....
matt hamill. If you know his credentials and you saw how easily bones took him down you wouldnt have made that stupid comment and i think you meant henderson not koscheck. You put sentences together nicely but you dont know shit about this sport so you dont need to try to explain things you dont have an ounce of knowledge in.
rashad has earned his shot.. he has no more to prove..
rashad took out the top contenders hes earned his title shot.. he doesnt have to prove anything to anyone.. he took out thiago who was next inline then took out Quittin who was one a streak and was suppose to fight machida for the belt.. plus jjones will never fight rashad, they are in the same camp..
lol forsure not
Bones would murder him.
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
Off Point...
The Big and Lil Nogs best days are behind them. Lil Nog is still good but he’ll never hold the belt. He just doesn’t look good in there(aside from the Cane KO).
I’d rather see these two up and comers fight other people: Rashad, Franklin, thiago, rampage/machida, griffin. Personally, I’d like to c bones vs thiago and bader vs rashad.
by C O R on Sep 26, 2010 11:56 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Not sure about this match-up
Bones vs. Franklin, Bader vs. Griffin, Ortiz/Hamill-winner vs. Lil Nog
would make mor sense to me! After Bones defeated Franklin he should fight for the #1 Contender spot against a guy like Machida and after that (in summer 2011) he could fight for the Title against the winner of Shogun-Rashad (so Shogun imo). Machida-Bones would be a great fight, but I’m rooting with Machida..
Griffin would be a tough opponent for Bader. I’m sure he could defeat him, but for Griffin this would be very dangerous. The UFC don’t want to fire him, so they have to give him opponents he is able to defeat (like Lil Nog, Brilz, Diabate or Matyushenko).
Badeer has a chance for the Title fight, but he needs a big finish against a guy like Jones, and that’s impossible imo, Jones is much better than him actually. Give him Forrest, we’ll see what happens
Wanderlei Silva, Bas Rutten, GSP, Shogun Rua, Matt Hughes, Urijah Faber & My Girl
What will happen IMO bader/jones winner vs winner page/machida winner gets shogun/evens 4th July weekend
by malito3og3 on Sep 26, 2010 12:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Similar comments from Bones' camp
lately. And from UFC brass. I think they are trying to build these two up separately. The fans want this fight but I don’t think it’s gonna happen. At least not yet.
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by fenderacoustic (formerly wAyNe) on Sep 26, 2010 1:48 PM EDT reply actions
They are guys with big upsides that will be fighting for the next decade.
Why rush them into anything now. It’s not like there s a shortage of uninteresting fights for them or within the division outside of them.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 26, 2010 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
if you dont want them to fight each other
than who would you propose next for each fighter that is both a step-up and an interesting fight for the fans?
Late reply.
I don’t know if you will go back and see this Panthro but I wasn’t trying to stay I didn’t want to see Bones and Bader fight. I would love to see that fight! I think most fans would right now. But there seems to be enough comments from Dana and both fighters’ camps to indicate there is some sort of larger plan for both guys and they don’t want this matchup right now. I really don’t think Bader is scared of Jones like some are implying. I think there is more going on behind the scenes.
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by fenderacoustic (formerly wAyNe) on Sep 28, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Forrest and Bader both basically saying they want no part of Bones Jones. Toughest division in the UFC and guys don’t want to fight the guy who isn’t even champ yet.
Bader knows after getting iced standing by lil Nog that he’s in deep against Bones who has pterodactyl like reach, and even better, more diverse wrestling.
Gatti. Dekkers. Pele. Aoki. Kang. Vanderlei. Basillio. Harry Greb.
by theworldsoldestsport on Sep 26, 2010 2:39 PM EDT reply actions
Is it me or does it always seem like Bader gases
im a big fan of him and hope he keeps winning but he looked gases in the Jardine fight and against Nog last night. Youd think a soid wrestler like him would have a huge tank.
Had the same impression, by late round 2 and middle round 3
Almost made Lil Nog’s cardio seem good.
"A lot of times, you beat a person who beat a person who can beat you. I mean, it doesn’t make any sense." – Joe Rogan
I like both but...
I think at this point in their career’s that Jones would destroy Bader. I think Jones has way more talent than Bader, not saying he couldn’t beat him. Just not in the near future. Bones Jones is a handful for anyone in the LWH division and I can’t wait to see who he fights next. He always has exciting fights and Greg Jackson hasnt turned him into a LnP wrestler, thank god.
I think comparing these two is funny.
I think jon jones would outstrike him, take him down at will, and rain down so many elbows that bader doesnt know where he is. All fairly easily and yes i’m serious.
WOW yo uare cluless
Jon Jones has god awful striking and yes bader is a better striker
jon jones does nothing but some ballerina twirls a spinning back fist here and there that never lands and then clinches for take downs he has never out striked anybody
I agree with P86 to some extent. I don’t think Bones’s stand-up is really that great.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
neither is bader's
Jones is still trying to figure out where he wants to be – more of a boxing style or a muay thai style. And his creative nature probably isn’t such a good thing when you’re trying to tighten his fundamentals. Bader is nothing like jones so it shouldn’t be hard to teach him the basics. All his flaws i think are definitely tied to his cardio and more so how his mindset changes when he starts breathing harder. When he gasses (which he does quick) and he can’t get consistent takedowns (which starts to happen past the first half of round 1 probably due to his jitteryness and gassing) – then he automatically resorts to trying to get the guys out of the cage with winging shots that further gas him out.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 26, 2010 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Another wrestler with exceptionally dynamic athleticism and dismal, non-existent technical acumen in the striking game—able to bully, shoot like a train and throw an overhand right that looks like an empty-handed baseball pitch. Amazing!
We are here to laugh at the odds and live our lives so well that Death will tremble to take us." - Charles Bukowski
Hold off on Jones/Bader
Not that they’re not at a similar level, but because a possible title fight/contenders bout would sell more. Gotta remember that money is the main goal here and that’s a fight that would sell really well. As far as the matchup goes though… I actually favor Bader a bit. Just looking back at Jones’ bouts, he also tends to seem a bit gassed in the third (similar to Bader) and certainly less explosive. Also, it’s doubtful that he’d be able to throw so many kicks against Bader. People are already overrating Jones imo especially when you look at his last few fights: Hamill, Vera and Matyushenko. No offense, but that’s not exactly the cream of the crop and it’s not moving up in competition either. Now look at Bader’s opponents: Schafer (good post-TUF bout), Jardine (able to give guys fits) and Lil Nog (top 10). He’s gradually working his way up in the division. So… in short, people need to quit overrating Jones for now. Let’s wait until he beats someone that’s in the top 10 as opposed to ranking him the next champion and able to demolish everyone (when he hasn’t).
Look at what Jones did to those guys though.
Absolutely crushed them all. It’s not like he is winning SD or something. They have to do Jones/Bader for #1 contender. Who is going to fight the winner of Rashad/Shogun if not?
To be the best you gotta be one crazy son of a bitch…and that’s the truth - BJ Penn
True
But it just doesn’t impress me as much. Beating a guy that you’re supposed to beat just really doesn’t interest me as much. As far as the next shot… who knows? I could see the UFC continuing to build both guys up. I mean Bader probably just cracked the top 10 after last night. Jones has probably been in since Vera. How about winner of Rampage/Machida vs. Jones? Or Bader even? Shogun could possibly lose to Rashad (hopefully not). If so, that puts the whole “Jones fighting for a title” thing off since he won’t fight a teammate… I say let Jones fight the winner of Machida/Rampage, let Bader fight the winner of Ortiz/Hamill. No sense in throwing two prospects against each other just yet.
You're forgetting something
If there was ever such statement I’m sorry, but IDK of any moment in which Jones actually said he would never fight a team mate. There are guys who (at least say) would do it, like Kos/Fitch (crappy fight) or Shogun (who’s not a current team mate but is a friend of Lyoto Machida).
"A lot of times, you beat a person who beat a person who can beat you. I mean, it doesn’t make any sense." – Joe Rogan
Bader vs. Hammil
I think Bader should fight Hammil, and have Jones fight Tito to build up his name more to the unknowledgable fans. I think Jones destroys any of these guys (he already did Hammil in rout to his DQ). Jones could then fight the winner of Machida/Rampage if Shogun is still out with injury and we’re waiting for him to fight Rashad.
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Not in a hurry, huh? You fag. Come to fight or go home! Why don’t you just say your pussy hurts? You have now made yourself, the UFC, and, and Sundevils embarrassed. I hope Jones kicks your lame ass. Fight anyone/anywhere/anytime or go sit behind a desk again and pretend to be on the phone.
by slorider on Sep 28, 2010 1:36 AM EDT reply actions
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