Boo-hoo: Sean Sherk confused with fan reaction after decision win over Evan Dunham at UFC 119
by MMAmania.com on Sep 26, 2010 10:27 AM EDT
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"I knew the fight was close. I think I had the first round pretty decisive. The second round was close. And the third round, I would give that to Dunham. So it depends on what the judges are watching. Anytime you go to a judges decision you're at their mercy.... We were throwing down out there -- he was hitting me hard, I was hitting him hard, he was bleeding all over the place. It had to be exciting. If I was a fan I would have had a good time, so I don't know why [the fans] are booing me. We went out there and threw down. We left our hearts out there. There was nothing left inside that Octagon."
Former 155-pound champion Sean Sherk still couldn't get his arms around the reason fans at the Conseco Fieldhouse in Indianapolis, Indiana, reacted the way they did after his split decision win over Evan Dunham last night at UFC 119. "The Muscle Shark" argues that he took the first and and at the very least split the second, which was good enough despite losing the third and final round. It was certainly razor thin, considering that the previously undefeated Dunham started to punish Sherk at the end of the second round and kept going until the very end. Sherk also survived several submission attempts, which he admitted were tight, but never really all that dangerous. Sherk, on the other hand, never attempted a submission and didn't really hurt the Xtreme Couture product with the exception of opening up a grisly gash above his right eye with a well-placed elbow in the opening frame. Is it possible that all that blood influenced at least one judges decisions or did Sherk do enough with his wrestling and ground and pound to earn the victory outright?
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Sherk didn't anything that impessive he opened up the cut but that was just blind luck
anyone can get cut in a fight its not like they go in there with a plan to cut the other guy. all he seemed to do was get the takedowns but not really do much with them. Dunham got 3 really good submission attempts which i feel is better than a takedown or cut & he stand up was a lot better Sherk bearly landed anything with his short stubby arms. i suppose its just another in the long list of dodgy decisions within the UFC which Dana will side step by saying the judges are nothing to do with him.
Exactly...
Even when Sherk did get a takedwon Dunham did a good job of getting right back up. I think Dunham was robbed. You’re right all Sherk did was the slam and the cut in the 1st round. Judges score way to much for takedowns. Once a guy gets a takedown, its what he does with it. Like steroid pumping Chael, he’d get the takedown and try and smash you even though he was prolly on roid rage. What happens after the takedown should be more important than the takedown itself, especially if the fighter gets right back up.. Sherk got the takedown and did nothing and you’re right Dunham was close on all those guillotines.
Dunham was robbed and He’ll be back, Exciting young fighter that likes a good scrap. Only got better after he seen his own blood ala Forest Griffin
Sherk prolly sucked serious dick to sway the judges scorecards
not only do they score too much for takedowns.
the guy doing the holding (stalling) against the fence gets tons of points.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic !
Welcome back, Sherk. He always cops more criticism than he deserves. And credit to Dunham; win or lose, this guy seems to be one of the few who will always be in a good fight.
As for the fight, Sherk’s great, he’s a warrior, and he definitely won round one, but that fight was Dunham’s in my opinion. Maybe I have to watch it again but this is a good example of judges awarding too many points for holding a guy at the fence rather than actual hard-hitting strikes. And strikes should take precedence over control.
In the judges’ eyes, with regard to any fight, it seems a takedown followed by stalling for two minutes is worth more than a few solid blows to the head. To go even further, it almost seems like a takedown is worth as much as rocking someone.
I think the crowd overreacted because Dunham finished strong, and though I would still give the fight to Dunham it was not a “robbery” as such (unless one defines a robbery as the wrong decision despite being close).
But considering Dunham’s takedown defense, the fact that he was not bullied or manhandled — he was always composed and putting up a pretty good defense — along with his several, and dangerous, submission attempts, plus his strikes, I would give the second round and therefore the fight, to Dunham (as 3 was his for sure).
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
Best fight of the night
Only a complete mongoloid would boo a fighter whom was awarded a decision by 3 judges. Boo the judges if you’re that way inclined but Sherk and Dunham did give there all.
People forget Sherk aint fought for 16 months too….
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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Sep 26, 2010 9:40 AM EDT reply actions
+1
Fucking losers in the crowd.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
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Chuck : Well I like to punch people, or kick them.
+1
Fucking losers on Mania
:)
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
lol
yeah i thought it was a great fight. Awesome come from behind performance by Dunham, his guillotines are nasty. Too bad the judges wrecked his undefeated career.
It was funny at first, but its worked against me too many times now. FUCK the LATE TAKEDOWN!!
David Nog got robbed, but I'll take my sig like a man. What do ya got for me?
by Synyster_08 on Sep 26, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Too bad the judges wrecked his undefeated career
Haha, exactly.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
seriously, a win here would have put him in a No.1 contender fight
now thanks to those dumbasses judging, his career is set at LEAST 2 fights, probably 3 fights back. I dont see him getting the Jon Jones treatment either.
It was funny at first, but its worked against me too many times now. FUCK the LATE TAKEDOWN!!
David Nog got robbed, but I'll take my sig like a man. What do ya got for me?
by Synyster_08 on Sep 26, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
That's a good point.
They should still give him top-tier guys though, so he would still be swimming in the right pool with the cool kids. They should give him Kenny next for example. That fight would be really interesting.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
Or even Nate Diaz.
Damn, those two fights would be great.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
Oh wait, he’s WW now. Dang.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
at the bottom of the recap thread i posted a list of future matchups for the winners and losers of last night
It was funny at first, but its worked against me too many times now. FUCK the LATE TAKEDOWN!!
David Nog got robbed, but I'll take my sig like a man. What do ya got for me?
by Synyster_08 on Sep 26, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
U gonna' make us go all the way over there?
Just cutnpaste n put it right here baby!
hahahaha Yea I can't be bothered either.
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
i dont wanna go over there either..
It was funny at first, but its worked against me too many times now. FUCK the LATE TAKEDOWN!!
David Nog got robbed, but I'll take my sig like a man. What do ya got for me?
lol
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
People just want to see someone hitting the canvas
Not condoning it, just saying.
"A lot of times, you beat a person who beat a person who can beat you. I mean, it doesn’t make any sense." – Joe Rogan
Well I say FUCK those people. Just saying.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
Amen, brother
We all like to see a highlight reel finish, but when guys fight like Sherk-Dunham last night, it doesn’t matter that we didn’t get one. No room for booing.
"A lot of times, you beat a person who beat a person who can beat you. I mean, it doesn’t make any sense." – Joe Rogan
Yeah, that fight was the highlight for me, as well as Dollaway’s choke. That was cool. I knew the main event would be shit so I didn’t expect much, but I didn’t expect it to be that bad. The KO, hence your earlier point, did placate me to some extent though.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
I was at conseco fieldhouse and I booooooed my ass off!!
But I was booooooing what I thought was terrible judging. I stopped booing during seans interview(nobody else did). Dunham 12-0 IMO.
by Blood,bath and beyond on Sep 26, 2010 10:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Then You Are Better Than Some Of Those Morons....
I hate Joe Rogan, not too big on Sean Sherk but they were both right with there comments. Sherk fought his ass off, while I completely agree the decision was BS and Dunham should have won, Sherk didn’t judge the fight and for fans to boo him like it’s his fault is sickening to my stomach.
Nothing Ever Changes When Nothing Ever Changes
I agree, Jason.
Tell me, why do you hate Rogan? (Just wondering, not judging.)
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
You Would Know If You Met Him
Treats people badly, like he is better than you. And to the extreme, not only does he act that way (not just with me, anyone will tell you this) he lets you know he is treating you that way.
Nothing Ever Changes When Nothing Ever Changes
Interesting. So he treats you this way on a regular basis or as a one-off? He seems like he could be a jerk but I don’t think he would be all the time. Some people just rub some the wrong way I guess. I’m not defending him as I don’t know him, but as a commentator he’s mostly good. As a comedian, well, I have no interest at all.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
Sherk's forgetting about the ignorance of the fans.
Sherk and Dunham outdid Mitrione and Beltran to give us another FOTN, and the fans are booing like a bunch of imbeciles. Dunham probably should have won the decision, but these judges were obviously a bunch of idiots because Stephens should have also won the decision against Gullard. Dunham was a good sport, and in most (knowledgable) fans eyes moved up the totem poll in the LW division.
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what are you talking about?
Stephens in no way clearly beat Guillard. Melvin outpointed him, and won that fight. Nog was the one who got ripped off besides Dunham if anyone did. Dunhams was sad. He is a freak. Huge fan now.
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by daniel worby on Sep 26, 2010 3:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Nog getting ripped off makes him even for the gift decision he got against Brills
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He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 27, 2010 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
What I'm talking about...
I didn’t say that he “clearly” won. I stated my opinion that “he should have won”. I understand that you think that Gullard outpointed Stephens. I disagree. Greg Jackson is a great coach and had Gullard moving around the ring a la Machida, Cruz, and what Bisping did to Leben. However, I would be interested in seeing the fight metrics because I felt that Stephens landed about the same and would have given him the edge based off of ring control since he was taking the center of the ring and pressing forward trying to engage. I just don’t think Gullard pulled off the Machida/Cruz dance of tag. I had it 2 rounds to 1 for Stephens, Bader and Dunham.
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This fight was great and very exciting
I watched it with my girlfriend and she was like “yeah, I don’t like MMA that much…” and by round 2 of this fight she was “KILL THAT MOTHERFUCKER” lol
29-28 Dunham in a perfect world.
"A lot of times, you beat a person who beat a person who can beat you. I mean, it doesn’t make any sense." – Joe Rogan
There was a couple of very bad decisions last night.
Sherks take downs didnt even come close to the sub attempts and the striking of Dunham, IMO that was bad decision by the judges. Sherk won the 1st lost the 2nd closely and got dominated the 3rd.
Sherk Stalls
Was it a great fight, yes and no. In my opinion, Sherk fights for the decision every time he goes out there. He’ll fight hard in the first round and drop elbows and hammer fists. But, once he’s got that round secured, he goes into stall mode. He waits until the ref tells him he’s going to break them up and then he pulls a move. Usually, it’s a takedown that he knows is going to score points and then it’s 30 more seconds of stalling. The only time he opens up and works is when he believes he’s down in scoring.
So, I booed him for another one of those performances. I’m sure the counter of his wrestling being superior will come up, but it comes down to history. Since 2005 Sherk has not won a single fight other than by decision. He’s talented, and powerful, but at the end of the night his strategy is to just stall and that’s just lame.
Crowd were idiots the whole night
but if we’re really scoring who WON the fight, Dunham easily got the 2nd and 3rd rounds
by theworldismine on Sep 26, 2010 12:41 PM EDT reply actions
Well Sean I can tell you why I was booing.
I paid alot of money to go to Indy, get floor seats,hotel,gas ,food,ect,ect and I got to see you stall the entire fight.Evan was staying busy and exchanging,got the better part of the stand up.Yea Sean took him down but DID NOT do nothing with it.Evan was trying for subs and rocked Sean more than once.So in conclustion I was booing your boring ass wrestling stall tactics,Oh and the same with Bader.
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I actually was surpised that sherk won
I had the first round sherk, the second was close probably Dunham and the third obviously Dunham. It was a great fight, wasn’t a blatant robbery IMO and I’m glad sherk won. I knew this would be a controversial fight, I’m glad to see sherk with the W even though he probably shouldn’t have gotten it.
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Close Fight
I hate judges, I think most of them suck. I wouldn’t want to be in their shoes though, cause it is hard when it is close like a lot of the fights were last night. What pisses me off is when it’s a split decision and the third retarded judge has the fight 30-27. That pretty much proves they have no idea what they are doing.
by Brockness Monster on Sep 27, 2010 12:04 AM EDT reply actions
It wasn't close.
The last two rounds were clearly Dunhams. The judges were obviously swayed by the damage of the cut. Sherk probably thought it was closer than it actually was, when he watches the fight himself, he will see who the real winner was. Good to see him go back to his wrestling though.
it was difficult to give that 2nd rnd to sherk... but...
I can see Sherk getting the nod for that 2nd rnd. Lots of missed strikes by both guys I think Dunham did enough to win it, but I don’t have a very good argument for it, it was a close dull 2nd round primarily by Sherk putting Dunham against the cage, i think the ref should have step in a few times to break it up. Good for Sherk though Im glad he’s going back to his wrestling though. tired of seeing him getting his ass handed to him in the standup just because he wants to please the fans, he needed to get a ‘W’. he just doesn’t have an exciting style or personality, but he’s a nice guy n hard worker, hard for me to hate on him.
Dunham might be a champion oneday, hellva’ fighter.
It was close enough that I wasn't crying about the decision
It’s not like either guy got dominated; I could see it going either way; was pretty sure at the end that Dunham won the fight but I’m not crying foul that they gave it to Sherk. All in all coming in off that 16 mnth lay off and taking on a tough prospect like Dunham, Sherk did pretty damn good imo.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 27, 2010 8:39 AM EDT reply actions
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