Mirko Cro Cop: Fighting without ocular trauma at UFC 119 would be eye-deal situation
by Jesse Holland on Sep 20, 2010 5:34 PM EDT
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Assuming the Indiana State Athletic Commission allows him to compete in his Sept. 25 main event against Frank Mir...
"What can I say? I had bad luck in preparations. At the last training, in the last minute, I got a pretty bad eye injury. But I think it will be alright. I have to suck it up. I didn't want to cancel the fight under any circumstances. I took this fight to do a favor to UFC. I wouldn't do that fight for anybody else than UFC. I am ready to take the risk but I can say you this, all the money in the world is not worth getting my eye injured but at this point there is no chance in hell to back up. Frank Mir is gonna be my toughest fight in my UFC career. It won't be easy. It would be easier for me if I had time to do a full preparation cycle but at the end of the day that's my problem. I accepted the fight under these conditions. I was on vacation when they called me and I just couldn't say no to them. Not because of the money but because of respect to the guys at UFC. They provided me with everything and I secured my life existence fighting for them. To be completely honest, the money was pretty decent and I can assure you that no one would decline that offer. I will try to do my best, more as a routine fight, and if the fight goes to the third round it will be a handicap for me. But you know, that's life and nothing is ideal. Again I have to be honest, when you have 70 fights under your belt your priorities change. There is a fear of injuries but I assure I will give my best. I will most certainly go for a win but I think I did a lot just by accepting this fight. That's my opinion."
Heading into UFC 119 from Indianapolis, the Croat states his case (via Yahoo! Sports) and it sounds like he may have already resigned himself to losing despite promising his best effort. That's assuming Filipovic can pass his pre-fight medical exam. If he's cleared to compete, will he be at a serious disadvantage against Frank Mir? Was he already? Let's hear your take on these developments. How does it change your prediction for the fight -- if at all?
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pathetic pre-fight excuses.
he never had a chance, now he basically admitted it. well good for mir, highlight reel finish for him.
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
i already have a sig bet with Johnny WF on Mir, otherwise I would
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
lol just bet with panthro, i'm sure he'll have something good for your sig.
joker
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
Well if i lose, i'll man up and take the sig, no problems.
I’ll double up the sigs for you, thats if your not chicken?? lol
I like fighting.
Ok, done, fuckit. But you have to wait for execution for a week if I lose.
I would fullfill Johnny’s first and then yours.
Bet taken.
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
Just incase you guys think i'm some fucking Cro Cop loving Moron who doesn't know his ass from his elbow.............
I’m taking these bets purely because I ‘HOPE’ he wins, it is not looking good, not at all, not with these excuses, the training footage, the excuses. Cro Cop is my favourite fighter, win, lose or draw. Loyalty gents, not stupidity.
I like fighting.
I guess I'm a moron cause i think he's got a good chance of taking this
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Sep 20, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I like your style TK
not many people stick to their guns. It is a nice change of pace.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
I still and always will believe in Mirko Cro Cop
He can do it. He’s a nightmare style matchup for Mir.
Am I an optimistic idiot? Probably. Is nostalgia speaking more than logic? Definitely.
But frankly, I don’t give a shit. He can do it.
Anderson Silva will fall via brutal Republican dry-humping.
Agreed
If this was a full camp and Cro Cop did not have any injuries I think he could best Mir even at this stage in his career. I know this is going to upset people but Mir has shown nothing in his last couple of fights. Even the NOG fight he looked extremely sloppy and with Carwin and Lesnar, those were two ass whippins that would knock most other HWs out of the UFC, but Mir does know how to talk and make himself a draw so he stays.
Even still I wonder if the recent video releases from CC and how much he is premaking excuses is his way to try to play head games with Mir. Mir is easily excited and I can see him reading all this and trying to KO Cro Cop instead of going with his BJJ just to make a point. I would love it if all this was some elaborate gameplan by CC and his people to get him to stand and bang with him and then see Mir’s head fly into the 8th row from a right leg high kick.
Having thousands of posts on a MMA site does not make you an expert, training martial arts, wrestling or boxing makes you an expert.
I just don't understand all this mir love all of a sudden.
He hasn’t changed his game one bit since the “old mir.” Now he’s just more of an ass. Forget carwin and brock…….doing what ian freeman did is more than enough.
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 21, 2010 8:12 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I totally agree
Mir has not evolved at all. He used to talk about how he ended people’s careers and broke arms etc etc. Last fight against Lesnar he got owned on the ground, was not able to use any BJJ at all. This showed all HWs that have a wrestling background how to beat him. Then he gets all dilusional and beats Kongo and that makes him thinnk he is the man again only to get half of his brain cells shut off by Carwin.
I do not think he has the tools to ever beat Lesnar again or to ever beat Carwin. Cain can literally follow the game plan Lesnar used to beat Mir and do exactly the same thing to him.
I think that Mir would have a terribly hard time with Nelson. Nelson is great on the ground, has KO power and can take a shot. After this fight that is who I hope they give Mir. A loss to Nelson would mean the end to his UFC career.
Having thousands of posts on a MMA site does not make you an expert, training martial arts, wrestling or boxing makes you an expert.
on point ASR....
I also think that Nelson would have an excellent chance and the sad part is most people would have him as an underdog. The thing that kills me about Mir’s supposed improved striking is that it came from Kongo’s fear. Faking a low single and going up top against a striker who can’t even sprawl properly (god i hate kongo’s sprawl – don’t know how he hasn’t destroyed all his toes and both knees yet) doesn’t mean you’ve suddenly developed hands. It just means your coach came up with the oldest trick in the book to beat a wolfslair fighter.
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 21, 2010 1:23 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I came to comment with one word in mind.
Like freenow says: pathetic.
The only real possession you'll ever have is your character. — Tom Wolfe
this is why i should wait until the fights to make picks in macs pool
my heart says yes and my results say nooooo
Somebody hand mirko a fishing rod. Jesus – why bother showing up
I will not order this ppv. no way.
As we always suspected - Jackson's MMA secures another victory under suspicious circumstances. Freenow82 called it and is seldom wrong when pre diagnosing a Lay n Pray / Vaseline victory before it happens. Free 2 - BZ 3... I smell a come back.
You could miss the high kick that sends Mir in la la land.
Think.
The only real possession you'll ever have is your character. — Tom Wolfe
oh I will watch it but at a bar... or ya know... other
CC should challenge Mir to a blindfold match
Like Jake the Snake vs Rick The Model Martel
As we always suspected - Jackson's MMA secures another victory under suspicious circumstances. Freenow82 called it and is seldom wrong when pre diagnosing a Lay n Pray / Vaseline victory before it happens. Free 2 - BZ 3... I smell a come back.
take a look at some of the people in the crowd
there are some real class acts- the guy in the trucker hat right below martel’s nipple is my personal favorite
lol
to be fair this is at least 15 years old now…. but i hear ya.
I like the guy in the uni bomber glasses due south Jake’s left hand right above the blue rope on the opposite side of the ring
As we always suspected - Jackson's MMA secures another victory under suspicious circumstances. Freenow82 called it and is seldom wrong when pre diagnosing a Lay n Pray / Vaseline victory before it happens. Free 2 - BZ 3... I smell a come back.
i like buddy to the left of giraffe neck,
Which is to the left of Martel’s knee. Second in from right. He’s a serious sports analyst and he’ll be DAMNED if he’s not gonna notice any fishy stuff, like non regulated blindfolds!
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by daniel worby on Sep 20, 2010 7:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agree 10000000000%
Such an obvious excuse, and its gonna suck that the insane CC fanboys will make full use of it after CC gets demolished.
by Lester The Pimp on Sep 20, 2010 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
but what about the blind fold match lester ??? good idea?
you strike me as a Rick Martel fanboy yourself.
As we always suspected - Jackson's MMA secures another victory under suspicious circumstances. Freenow82 called it and is seldom wrong when pre diagnosing a Lay n Pray / Vaseline victory before it happens. Free 2 - BZ 3... I smell a come back.
He knew, we all knew
From the very beginning he has been saying he did it for the fans and ufc not because he wanted it. His very first interview cro cop Daisha wouldn’t be at full potential and he was just fighting for the fans. Have nothing but the utmost respect for him for doing so buy he going to lose.
MIT I’d just hyping him up as being still a huge threat so whn he beats him it looks like a meaningful win
by soupdz28 on Sep 20, 2010 7:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
they should just reschedule this fight for 123 and give cro-cop time to heal up...
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Sep 20, 2010 5:37 PM EDT reply actions
Then what is the Main Event on 1 week notice?
To be the best you gotta be one crazy son of a bitch…and that’s the truth - BJ Penn
who cares. i want cro-cop on the detroit card lol...
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Sep 20, 2010 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions
from dw's twitter just a few mins ago
danawhite
How many times do I have to tell u guys not to listen to internet BS? Cro Cop is 100% and fighting on sat. 1 minute ago via Twitter for BlackBerry® Retweeted by you and 18 others
Dana is an idiot sometimes.
Obviously not 100% physcially, not even 100% that he is going to fight.
To be the best you gotta be one crazy son of a bitch…and that’s the truth - BJ Penn
but 100% bullshit!
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
selling PPV. Mirko doesnt give a shit about PPV sales
he’s just the same old UFC Mirko he ever was
As we always suspected - Jackson's MMA secures another victory under suspicious circumstances. Freenow82 called it and is seldom wrong when pre diagnosing a Lay n Pray / Vaseline victory before it happens. Free 2 - BZ 3... I smell a come back.
The boss should have reminded him
that he would be claiming he was 100%.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
what does dana expect us to think?
If he had a great track record of never spewing bullshit, we’d be more keen to believe him. But he holds no water, nor does he control Andy Means (indy state commission)
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by daniel worby on Sep 20, 2010 7:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Im so sure...
That Dana the president of the company would come out and say, " hey everyone the fight will be great! Oh; and just so you know, CC is not coming out 100%, but they fight will go on and we will see how it goes" Absolutley not. There is literally million’s of doallars on the line here. He is an actor on the stage. He has to convince the public that everything is and always is “100%” even when it certainly is not the case.. The show must go on!
Dana!!!
You are full of shit! Don’t treat your fans this way you asshole! I give you money every month! Every month Dana! Be honest with us. It’s not like I am ordering the PPV today, I will know come Sat if CC is in out, 100% or what. We don’t just go to UFC.com and your twitter for news sucka.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
More Dana BS promoting
I can’t take anything he says seriously, time and again he has lied and contradicted himself in order to promote his fighters and shows. This is no different. He wants everyone to pay for 119 and nobody would if they knew that the main event fighter was injured and either not able to compete at all or at his best. I’m just surprised that so many people take his word as gospel because he’s only interested in making money, he’s far from an impartial voice of MMA news.
"Stay classy San Diego"
Jon "Bones" Jones, MMAs best young fighter and the next LHW champion
He forgot to tell CC to keep his mouth shut.
Nobody is looking good in this.
The only real possession you'll ever have is your character. — Tom Wolfe
Cro Cop man style,
That’s what I’m talking about, Cro Cop is gonna man up and fight anyway, I don’t have the long term memory of some of you but I don’t think Cro Cop has a history of making excuses. If he can fight Mir he will and give it all.
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Sep 20, 2010 5:49 PM EDT reply actions
he's not known for excuses persay...
But since being dismantled in his UFC debut he’s been not all there. Definitely depressed. And he openly admits to that. He also had the famous ’I’d rather be fishing’ quote when he was talking about the JDS match up. He is a sad sack now, and the above quotes are all huge red flags to most of us.
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by daniel worby on Sep 20, 2010 8:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
correction
UFC debut was vs Eddie Sanchez
Rogan kept saying “he’s a different kind of striker”
As we always suspected - Jackson's MMA secures another victory under suspicious circumstances. Freenow82 called it and is seldom wrong when pre diagnosing a Lay n Pray / Vaseline victory before it happens. Free 2 - BZ 3... I smell a come back.
thx bz forget about that one all the time
Wasn’t much for CroCops career that’s for sure.
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by daniel worby on Sep 20, 2010 9:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
All I've heard from Cro Cop for the lead up to this fight has been
“I took this fight on short notice”
come on man
and now he has an eye thing that he can also cite as a reference as to why Mir will probably beat him.
he’s coming into this fight already mentally defeated and is coasting by only only on name value alone here. kinda pathetic for one of the greatest fighters ever.
he's obviously faking the eye injury to save face, good call...
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Sep 20, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
U guys will be back on CC's nuts when he wins
I’m not blinded by love for CC, I just think Mir is stupid enough to stand with him
Anticipation has a habit to set you up for disappointment
i was being scarcastic, don't worry, the scarcasm from certain posters (worby) flies over my head a lot too.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Sep 20, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
like a rumbling sony vega jumbo jet
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by daniel worby on Sep 20, 2010 8:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
see i have no idea what he's talking about?
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Sep 20, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
haha you make me laugh
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by daniel worby on Sep 20, 2010 9:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He did take it on short notice and he does have an eye injury I don't see the argument.
of course he wishes he had a full camp for it but I don’t look at this as making excuses. He seems real calm and collected from the interviews I’ve seen I got the feeling it’s “just another day at the office” for him.
Drink to remember, drink to forget.
by doonerthesooner on Sep 20, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear what you’re saying but it does sound like he got his eyeball messed up, which is pretty f’d up going into a fight. It’s not like he’s Tito Ortiz, saying he’s 100% going into the fight and then telling Joe Rogan he had a skull injury afterwards.
"Give a man a match, and he'll be warm for a minute, but set him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
Fan of: Cole Miller, Dentist Neer, Alan Belcher, Bones Jones, Frank Mir
^^This^^
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by doonerthesooner on Sep 20, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
It's the anti-Tito
He’s going into this fight with a defeatist attitude. Clearly he’s been offered a lot of money to take this fight on short notice with an eye injury and he’s said himself that he’s doing this fight for the money not because he has a genuine chance of victory. Easy win for Mir over a big name and a good pay day for both guys, though I doubt this show will draw much.
"Stay classy San Diego"
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Maybe CC is setting up a mental trap for Mir.
The only real possession you'll ever have is your character. — Tom Wolfe
I would be seriously impressed
with the misinformation. That video was horrendous. I hope this is what is happening.
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
this is exactly what I'm saying
Yes, the eye injury is legit
Yes, I will jump if CC landed an earth shattering LHK that sends to Mir into retirement
but even before the eye injury, it’s hard to deny that the guy has made nothing but excuses since he signed on to fight
it’s funny that Tito is mentioned, because I was going to say, if it was Tito Ortiz making statements like this, there would be no end to the ridicule he’d be getting (even though we all know Tito usually does the opposite, and waits until after to start the excuse making)
difference is tito waits til after the fight to tell the truth.
Dana obviously doesn’t want his fighters to say they’re 100% going into the fights. Dana knows about these guys injuries before the fights and he’s paid Thiago Silva and now Cro Cop extra to follow through with their fights.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic !
CRO COP is only fighting for the money
His getting 780 000$ , for this fight……
im sure its BS... this ppv is not breaking any sales records
let me tell.
As we always suspected - Jackson's MMA secures another victory under suspicious circumstances. Freenow82 called it and is seldom wrong when pre diagnosing a Lay n Pray / Vaseline victory before it happens. Free 2 - BZ 3... I smell a come back.
Mir doesnt even make that kind of money.
by EvolutionMMA on Sep 20, 2010 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
It is Not B.S.
i am from Croatia so i have sources… his getting this much cuz he accept fight on short notice and is in main event… Dana dindt have nobody else to accept fight in this time…. so they made a deal for 780 000$… trust me… (sorry for bad english)
That is quite a chunk. I don’t see how they could recoup that off this PPV. Are their any Croatian websites we could check out?
We fight, get beat, rise and fight again.
its not on eny website,i dont see why not this much, people still love cro cop, they wonna see him fight…. James Toney get 500 000$ for 3min beating…… CRO COP is still one of the most recognizable man in MMA….
by Dejan Kruljac on Sep 20, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
James Toney is MUCH MUCH more well known in the main stream then Mirko Cro Cop
by EvolutionMMA on Sep 20, 2010 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
ok, he is, See, I speak on what I know, everyone in the gym where i go talking about …. and i hear from cro cop sparring partner …. you’ll see after fight, the next day it is the calculation of money …. :) soo good night its 1:30am
by Dejan Kruljac on Sep 20, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
780,000 croation, thats $860 to show and a silver dollar to win.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Sep 20, 2010 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
sorry lol but thats funny
And I bet true. Why didn’t I think of that. Its probs 175k American.
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by daniel worby on Sep 20, 2010 8:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I dont want to call you a liar, I just think thats alot of money. Im sure Dana could pull another HW for significantly less money and sell it. Like I said I doubt Mir would be getting this kind of money. And Cro Cop isnt really a PPV draw.
by EvolutionMMA on Sep 20, 2010 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
it is a lot of money, Mir aint gonna get this much like cro cop.. its true , just like couture get 250 000 and Toney 500 000…. its busines … CRO COP quote above: To be completely honest, the money was pretty decent and I can assure you that no one would decline that offer!
by Dejan Kruljac on Sep 20, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Randy Couture gets a PPV cut. So with out a doubt he made more then James Toney.
by EvolutionMMA on Sep 20, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
i just think you got some bad info. im sure dana upped his pay after the injury but i doubt we are reading 750k on the post fight salary thread.
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by DetroitDrew1980 on Sep 20, 2010 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
AMERICAN ATTITUDE
Since you’re from Croatia, what does crocop mean by American Attitude? Does that mean we’re not afraid of a fight??? Because it seems the U.S. and the Brits are the only only ones out there with any balls!!!!!!
Dana White is god…if it wasnt for him there wouldnt be mma websites great ppv buys the ultimate fighter..So u shouldnt diss Dana u should b thanking him
by phatmacjuggalo10 on Sep 20, 2010 7:05 PM EDT reply actions
Yes, lets all praise Dana because he single handedly made MMA and the UFC and he always speaks the truth
Or better yet I could just support the guys who actually compete, rather than the loudmouth promoter who is once again lying to the public to promote a UFC PPV. I’m amazed at how a company president has a fanbase, what other sport has people showing more gratitude to the guys in charge than the athletes themselves?
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Crocop
Crocop talks about Frank Mir’s AMERICAN ATTITUDE. How bout the European Socialist attitude to give up before the fight. If I didn’t know better I would think he was from France.!!!!!! You’re in a fight dumbass, get in there and kick his ass… Like you said it’s life. What if America would have had this attitude in World War II, we’d all be Nazi’s now!!!! Grow some F..ing Balls Dude, you agreed to enter a fight!!!!!!!!!
Already going into a fight with a loser's mentality
now that seriously cannot be a good thing. which really only says he’s doing this fight for the money, nothing more and nothing less. first round sub for Mir. actually had cro cop tko win but he’s just being pathetic now.
Anybody else tired of hearing Excuses???
Personally now when I hear excuses I would like to see the whining party get their ass beat! These are all professional fighters by job title, not actors working on a new script and character. You’ve been training for fighting well over 15+ years CC! Is he saying if someone pushed him at Walmart he’d be defenseless because he wasn’t prepared for that moment??? Shut up and earn your paycheck man! haha
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