Josh Koscheck still hopes to fight 'sorry ass' Tito Ortiz -- if he has the guts to accept the fight
by Jesse Holland on Sep 20, 2010 1:15 PM EDT
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"His head is on the block and next on the list. I walk around a solid 193 or so- I would be happy to fight (Tito Ortiz) at 205 if he would just find the guts to accept the fight. He never will but a man can hope. Don’t insult a man’s friends the way he insulted Mark Coleman (at UFC 109) and expect to not get smacked around for it. In fact I think I am going to learn open palm technique just for his sorry ass ... I’m the bad guy who will fight anyone. I want to be hated by my opponents and I don’t give a rat’s ass what anyone thinks about that. I just tell it how it is."
UFC welterweight number one contender Josh Koscheck hasn't let his pending rematch with Georges St. Pierre keep him from calling out Tito Ortiz. "Kos" was critical of "The Huntington Beach Bad Boy" for giving a laundry list of excuses for his UFC 106 loss to Forrest Griffin. Koscheck also called Ortiz a "douche" for trying to clown Mark Coleman after "The Hammer" was submitted by Randy Couture at UFC 109. Does anyone have a desire to see these two hash it out inside the Octagon? And could Koscheck hang at 205-pounds -- even against a past-his-prime Ortiz?
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I think this is one fight where I'd actually root for Kos.
How awesome would that be to see a welterweight KO Tito?
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Lmao! Wand didn't take them =D
Wand challenges Tito 2 fight him in the pride ring 2 avenge his loss we all know how that went.
by d*locc on Sep 20, 2010 2:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
wow, I've never seen that before. Oh Tito, u fuckin' retard.
Using no way as way, having no limitation as limitation.
He wouldn't be a WW, he would be a LHW!
I wouldn’t care who won! Used to be a big Tito fan, but I can’t support a fighter that can’t give any kudos to his opponent and just offers up excuses! The “broken Face” excuse was the last straw for me! And when he speaks I feel embarrassed for him. I want my money back for 2 Team Punishment T-shirts that I have. And why Do they give him the mic when he loses??? Like the last Forrest fight! WTF!?
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
You're missing the point.
He’s a natural welter-weight in the same way that Tito is a natural light-heavyweight. That is, he cuts 20-25 lbs the same way Tito does.
I think this is one fight where I'd actually root for Kos.
How awesome would that be to see a welterweight KO Tito?
He should stick to worrying about GSP.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
maybe he's came to the realization
that GSP is going to own him, so it’s time to start thinking about what’s next.
True
but he really should try making a feud with someone he has more than a 0.1% chance of fighting, such as Dan Hardy.
EXACTLY! Make it happen.
Josh gets an easy workout and Dan Hardy’s mouth gets shut and shunted to mid card status.
I would love to see that.
Not sure why he is talking about anyone else right now. GSP may be boring to some but I do not see anyone coming in and beating him unless his long layoff results in a ton of ring rust
Having thousands of posts on a MMA site does not make you an expert, training martial arts, wrestling or boxing makes you an expert.
Ring rust?
GSP is titanium plated.
The only real possession you'll ever have is your character. — Tom Wolfe
I think so also
Just stating that is pretty much the only way I see someone coming in and beating him. He is too dominant when it comes to controling the fight. He can keep it standing if he choses or take it to the ground and control them there also. Someone is going to need to throw something crazy at him to take him off his game to beat him.
Having thousands of posts on a MMA site does not make you an expert, training martial arts, wrestling or boxing makes you an expert.
St-Pierre moves excellently on his feet but
his head movement is still his main flaw. Too many unnecessary punches find their mark. Fortunately he has very good chin but one day again, he could get seriously caught. that is the most probable way for a GSP loss to happen again.
The only real possession you'll ever have is your character. — Tom Wolfe
Agreed
I just think it will have to either be the first shot or that the first shot rocks him bad enough to get pounded out immediately. Whenever he even comes close to taking the bad end of an exchange he goes for the TD. Very smart on his part but your right that will be the way he eventually loses again.
Having thousands of posts on a MMA site does not make you an expert, training martial arts, wrestling or boxing makes you an expert.
I know Mike Pierce wants to fight him really bad
that would be a good scrap. They were supposed to fight a while back, but Pierce ended up fighting Fitch instead.
I would LOVE
To see Kos and Tito go at it. That would be a great catch weight fight.
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Catchweight?
Tito would have to chop his head off and fight with only that, since his head actually weighs 193 lbs.
To be the best you gotta be one crazy son of a bitch…and that’s the truth - BJ Penn
LOL At least a 193 lbs.
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
Wouldn’t have to be a catchweight. Tito just needs to cut down at his normal fighting weight and Kos not cut anything. LHW 186-205. But Tito’s head actually doesn’t weigh 193. It is empty.
by Mayhem chimpanzee on Sep 20, 2010 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
good luck on getting dana to book this one,josh
People can safely assume this fight won’t happen…kos is just stirring the pot so people talk about him…so if you truly despise him, don’t dwell on it, and don’t pass it on to other people..
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by salamagogo on Sep 20, 2010 1:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Will never happen.
Can’t see Dana allowing a WW vs. LHW matchup. But would love to see it.
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tito isn’t very small at lhw either he’s on the bigger side of the weightclass but i wouldn’t doubt dana lets josh try if jesus really does rape him that bad
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by randy murders on Sep 20, 2010 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL, Koscheck.
You are always good for a laugh.
To be the best you gotta be one crazy son of a bitch…and that’s the truth - BJ Penn
A solid 193?? Tito is a solid 230
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Trolling Mac?
Easily? IDK about that…
To be the best you gotta be one crazy son of a bitch…and that’s the truth - BJ Penn
it would be easy. Despite your hate for the guy he didn't fight for almost 18 months and still nearly beat Forest....and imo DID beat Forest...
What skillset does KOS possess that Tito doesn’t? He has no skills that Tito doesn’t and Tito would have 20lbs on him.
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
+1
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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Sep 20, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
because forrest fucking sucks. Forrest is the worst excuse for a champion ever inthe company’s history he’s good at nothing and has no power. The only reason tito fought him is because they’re both part of the LHW money circuit. Tito is not that powerful either and if you think about kos isn’t much smaller than machida who is really a mw and handled Tito easily, even without a wrestling background. Kos’s fight to lose.
Chael Sonnen: Last time I defeated the myth, this time I'll defeat the man.
So...hyped...
Forrest is the worst excuse for a champion ever inthe company’s history
Dave Menne ring a bell?
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
Forrest sucks just enough to have beat 3 UFC champs, including the current one.
Your definition of sucking is much different than mine.
To be the best you gotta be one crazy son of a bitch…and that’s the truth - BJ Penn
by BNF on Sep 20, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah coz Shogun was what 20% fit in that fight???
Tito was last champ when Queen Victoria ruled the Empire, and to this day I have no idea how Dump was given the nod over Rampage!
Then he shouldn't have taken the fight. And 20%? Please.
Those are all convenient details that don’t change facts. I’m not saying Forrest is the best, but he sure has hell doesn’t “suck”. And by saying that, what does that say about the guys he beat?
To be the best you gotta be one crazy son of a bitch…and that’s the truth - BJ Penn
+1
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
+3
Respect for Griffin mofos!
The only real possession you'll ever have is your character. — Tom Wolfe
Sick of people giving Forrest credit for the Shogun fight!
God I hope they fight again, but doubt it bc unless Forrest gets lucky again, there is no way he works far enough up the ladder to reach Rua! It is so clear that Shogun had cardio issues due to his injuries. Not hating on Forrest, it’s just a fact! Shogun would murder him now!!! Well, maybe not now, but you know what I mean. lol Oh and an indication of what kind of shape he was in, watch the Colmen fight.
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
2 sides of the same coin.
I find it annoying when people completely discredit all of his wins. Beating Rampage, Shogun and Tito is impressive regardless of the conditions in which they fought. Forrest certainly doens’t have any dominant skills, but he’s very well-rounded and it’s foolish to deny credit for some very impressive victories. I can’t stand when people make endless apologies for losses by fighters like BJ and Rampage, and in the same vein I can’t stand when people go to ridiculous lengths to discredit other fighters’ wins.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
Maybe not suck, but average at everything is more like it.
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
Forrest has been nothing but protected by the UFC. This is a guy who got knocked out by Jardine for Christ’s sake. He beat a clearly unprepared Shogun, a Rampage (who I also think is terrible) who had never seemed to have heard of these things called “kicks” and has 2 split decisions over the ufc marketing product/ walking clown tito. So yes, i believe the 3 champions u mentioend are all awful with the exception of shogun, who would destroy him if he were at 100%. And he can’t even convincingly beat a washed up Tito!!!
Every time ppl try to defend forrest they bring up all these supposedly huge wins but how about looking at him as a fighter instead of a record. Forrest would probably be an underdog against any top 15 opponent he was matched up against because his skills are just shitty. He’s slow, unathletic, has no chin, no punching power, and no wrestling. The best part of his game is probably his bottom game jj but even that isn’t great. If the UFC stops protecting him he will get destroyed in bout after bout.
Chael Sonnen: Last time I defeated the myth, this time I'll defeat the man.
So...hyped...
by frosnt1 on Sep 20, 2010 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Bisping was the most protected
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Protecting him? I'm sorry, but that is just plain stupid.
He was scheduled to fight Machida, but got staph. He stepped up to fight Shogun when he came from Pride and was supposedly #1 in the world, fought Rampage at his peak, fought Anderson fucking Silva for christs sake, was scheduled to fight little Nog. How the hell is that protecting?
He does not have the best skill set, but has done unbelieveably well with the skills that he does have and shows more heart than most. I may joke about some of the things he has done, but he will always have my respect.
To be the best you gotta be one crazy son of a bitch…and that’s the truth - BJ Penn
He’s protected in the sense that he gets to continuously fight big names so he only has “good” losses rather than getting exposed as an overhyped UFC product. If he fights someone like Brilz, Jones, bader, hell even Vera or COuture, I will not say he’s being protected.
Instead he chooses high-reward, low-risk fights like Tito over fights with people who are perhaps less well-known but much better fighters. For example, fighting AS is being protected in the sense that your stock can only drop so much with a loss to Silva. It’s all reward and no risk, like virtually all of his matchups.
By the way, the UFC knew Silva was going to destroy forrest because of forrest’s aggressive brawlin, lack of a chin, lack of good technique in defense, and slow/unathletic striking…which is why they made that fight to repair Silva’s reputation after the Cote and leites debacles.
Chael Sonnen: Last time I defeated the myth, this time I'll defeat the man.
So...hyped...
I don't understand this argument at all.
You hate on him because he takes fights with guys that are better than him on paper. He should be commended for that. If it were the other way around he would be a can crusher that is also being protected my the UFC.
The UFC also knew he was going to lose to Shogun and Rampage, but that didn’t work out so well for them.
To be the best you gotta be one crazy son of a bitch…and that’s the truth - BJ Penn
also a hearty har har
to the idea that forrest isn’t ATHLETIC
by Body Triangle on Sep 20, 2010 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
so the UFC didn't know about Shogun's knee problems?
of course they did. matching shogun up with forrest was a win-win and matching him up against rampage was also a win win.. the UFC makes a ton of money and Dana is never going to sell Forrest out, hell Stephan Bonnar is still getting main card fights and he looked like he could beat Forrest in his last fight.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic !
He wouldn’t be a can crusher because he would be destroyed by the cans he fought. I honestly don’t think I’d bet on forrest over anyone in the top 20 in the world. Instead he fights “only against” elite guys so he “only has elite” losses which is just fucking bs. a loss is a loss and people dumb enough to buy into this whole “elite of the division” hype are fools. if he were ifghting lower “ranked” guys like he should after two KO losses in a row he’d be thought of as totally irrelevant now like he rightfully should.
After losing two in a row, instead of taking a step down in terms of risk reward he gets another big name who poses no threat (or should not, amazingly forrest is so bad that even tito arguably beat him or at least should have gotten a draw) in Tito. The ufc is protecting him by continuously giving him big names to prop up his image as a top fighter.
Jardine got the opposite treatment, actually having to PROVE he belongs at the “top” and failed miserably. Despite beating CHuck and forrest, he had to fight the Alexanders, Vera’s, Silva’s, Bader’s, and Hammill’s of the world (all of whom would beat forrest) and looked awful in all of those fights.
Chael Sonnen: Last time I defeated the myth, this time I'll defeat the man.
So...hyped...
Blatant Forrest hate
where does this come from?
Point to the place on the dolly where he touched you.
I don’t understand how you don’t recognize his wins against rampage and shogun. I’m the biggest fan out there of shogun (vai brazil!) and yeah, he wasn’t 100%, but Forrest beat him. He beat rampage. 2 guys he was brought in against TO LOSE. And that’s why he’s beloved by fans- he’s the underdog. And he consistently puts on awesomely entertaining fights…in fact…isn’t he involved in the number 1 fight of all time (according to dana white, of course), and credited as helping to save the UFC in putting on an incredible fight?
by Body Triangle on Sep 20, 2010 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
That fight sucked!
2 guys with zero technical ability and no power at all slugging it out. It was a drawn out bar fight! I don’t know why, but the masses seem to like that.
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
YOu got Houston Alexander over Forrest?
I don’t get your argument both guy fought top talent and Jardine is proving himself while Forrest isn’t? Holding wins over two of the top five guys in the division is pretty good if you ask me, and Forrest has hung in there with other great fighters. I can understand not liking Forrest (well no I can’t but to each their own) but the guy has proved himself to me and I believe his spot in the top ten is justified. Ohh and Forrest beats Hammill let’s not get crazy here.
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by doonerthesooner on Sep 20, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Ohh and I forgot he beat Tito's ass the second time I guess Tito had some control and opened him up but a 29-28 Dec. for Forrest was the right call
And I don’t remember who it was but the Judge that scored it 30-27 had a decent case.
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by doonerthesooner on Sep 20, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
100% agree
By the third round he was slapping tito in the fact with his foot.
by Body Triangle on Sep 20, 2010 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
frosnt1 is right..
a win is a win and a loss is a loss. any top 20-30 fighter could’ve won over Shogun hell Mark Coleman almost beat him and that should be fucking enough said. Forrest was getting his brain messed up in the 1st round against Rampage who was in terrible condition, his eyes rolled back on the knockdown and the fight should’ve ended there if Rampage knew better than to jump into the guard position, he was later saved by something that rarely ever happens, Rampage’s leg gave out, still he arguably beat Forrest, not impressive at all. Media would tell you that was a great win, but it wasn’t.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic !
who would have thought Matt Horwich was going to submit Thales Leites when Thales he was chosen to challenge for Anderson Silva’s title and Horwich got kicked out of the UFC? no one, because the UFC puts these so called “high level/known in mma media” fighters on a pedestal.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic !
styles make fights.
guys like Seth Petruzelli would own Forrest in the stand up.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic !
I agree Roberto. I think anyone in the top 20 maybe 30 beat Forrest!
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
Your math is off
“I walk around a solid 193 or so- I would be happy to fight (Tito Ortiz) at 205”
Tito would still have to make his weight like he would any other fight. Kos doesn’t have to worry because he’s moving up in weight class and saying it’s not a big deal because he’s naturally bigger than where he fights.
Double KO would be nice
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by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Sep 20, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions
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Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
Three ways to make money as a fighter.
Hero, fan favorite=failed
Top talent, champion=failed
Asshole, clown= jury is still out on this one.
jay.
the ufc's 2 biggest bullshitters
Kos with his faking injuries and tito lying about prior injuries
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by salamagogo on Sep 20, 2010 1:42 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
UUMMM Forget someone?
SONNEN!
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
I think
Daley said it best “….” then punched him in the face. I’d ruin my career for that shot too
If daley had ant take down defense he could have done that legally!
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
and who
Might this tasty morsel be?
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by salamagogo on Sep 20, 2010 2:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
some hot ass golddigger...thats an expensive shower
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
And how do you know she didn't earn it?
Maybe she earned it in a dirty kind of way, but still. lol
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
ya...and maybe its not even her shower...maybe its her kitchen and she's just washin her veggies
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
Tito..
would own Kos and throw him and his nappy head around the octagon.
Undisputed Sig Bet Champion on the TitoOrtiz/Fight Pros forums!!
BJ Penn, best P4P fighter on the planet. I'll still stand by that all day long, bitches.
Always have respected Shogun Rua.
8-7-10 Anderson Silva was destroyed and exposed.
R.I.P. Dime and Ryan Gracie.
what the fuck
why am i finding myself liking kos? maybe it’s an enemy of my enemy thing
Tito won't take the fight with Kos
Tito won’t risk the chance of getting embarressed there’s no upside for Tito expect getting the opportunity to elbow Kos in the face
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