UFC 118 fighter salaries: James Toney tops the list with $500,000
by Jesse Holland on Sep 2, 2010 11:39 AM EDT
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The official fighter purses for those who competed at the UFC 118: "Edgar vs. Penn 2" pay-per-view on Saturday, Aug. 28, 2010, from the TD Garden in Boston, Mass., were released earlier today and passed along by the Massachusetts State Athletic Commission (via Sherdog.com).
Despite getting taken out early in the first round, heavyweight boxing champion James Toney got the last laugh after collecting a hefty salary of $500,000 for his submission loss to Randy Couture, who earned a flat rate of $250,000 for the win.
In fact, out of the total $1.428 million disclosed payroll, "Lights Out" was paid more than "The Natural" and BJ Penn, two of the promotion's top stars, combined.
"The Prodigy" took home $150,000 in defeat after suffering his second straight decision loss to division champion Frankie Edgar ($96,000). The next closest purse belonged to Demian Maia, who finds himself $68,000 richer for a unanimous decision win over Mario Miranda ($8,000).
Here is the complete list of UFC 118 payouts:
Frankie Edgar: $96,000 ($48,000 to show, $48,000 to win)
B.J. Penn: $150,000
Edgar def. Penn via unanimous decision
Randy Couture: $250,000
James Toney: $500,000
Couture def. Toney via submission (arm-triangle choke)
Demian Maia: $68,000 ($34,000 to show, $34,000 win)
Mario Miranda: $8,000
Maia def. Miranda via unanimous decision
Gray Maynard: $46,000 ($23,000 to show, $23,000 to win)
Kenny Florian: $65,000
Maynard def. Florian via unanimous decision
Nate Diaz: $60,000 ($30,000 to show, $30,000 to win)
Marcus Davis: $31,000
Diaz def. Davis via submission (guillotine choke)
Joe Lauzon: $24,000 ($12,000 to show, $12,000 to win)
Gabe Ruediger: $8,000
Lauzon def. Ruediger via submission (armbar)
Nik Lentz: $22,000 ($11,000 to show, $11,000 to win)
Andre Winner: $10,000
Lentz def. Winner via unanimous decision
Dan Miller: $30,000 ($15,000 to show, $15,000 to win)
John Salter: $8,000
Miller def. Salter via submission (guillotine choke)
Greg Soto: $12,000 ($6,000 to show, $6,000 to win)
Nick Osipczak: $10,000
Soto def. Osipczak via unanimous decision
Mike Pierce: $24,000 ($12,000 to show, $12,000 to win)
Amilcar Alves: $6,000
Pierce def. Alves via submission (armbar)
Keep in mind the salaries listed above do not include fight bonuses, sponsorships, percentages and other unofficial payments. It also does not include deductions for expenses such as insurance, taxes, etc.
For example, the UFC often hands out extra cash for "Fight of the Night," "Knockout of the Night" and "Submission of the Night." To check out these figures for UFC 118 go here.
The total base fighter payroll for the PPV event, which attracted an official crowd of 14,168 attendees and a live gate of approximately $2.8 million, was $1.428 million.
For complete UFC 118: "Edgar vs. Penn 2" results and play-by-play coverage of the televised main card click here and here.
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he deserves that and more for his pre-fight promotion
BJ Penn is the biggest waste of talent in MMA history. Like usual, my pick was wrong and I blame a certain pudgy Hawaiin for my own short comings when it comes to talent selection. As it stands BZ – 3 Freenow82 – 1.
That 500k is nothing compared to the PPV #'s he brought in
BLEE DAT!
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes.....James deserves every single dollar he got.
To think all he had to do was chase dana around insulting him. I just feel bad for guys like idk Jens who only made like 30K after his 2nd fight with BJ and the likes….
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 2, 2010 11:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So
A fighters purse should be based on what hype is performed pre fight regardless of the fact that if they have no business being in the cage or not? Be a mush mouthed moron with zero experience and you get a half mill? Wow am I in the wrong business.
"I'm sorry about my performance tonight... I had sand in my vagina."
-Forrest Griffin
That's right
This is a business, like it or not. And the names and the personalities that get the people to tune in are the ones that are gonna get paid big $$$. In a perfect world, a fighters salary would be based on their fighting performance only, but this ain’t that place.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with this. However, it really pisses me off that Randy has to waste his time with Toney. I know that Randy's name sells but I still would have preferred Randy vs. LHW. Feed Toney to a TUF guy who is hungry for fame. I really disliked this match
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Well no one really knew how it was gonna go down
In hindsight they could’ve put a Journeyman in there and accomplished the same thing, but I think they gave Randy the go ahead to ensure that Toney did not win that fight. Hell, even before the fight MMA fans were picking Toney and talking about how he could land a bomb before Couture got a TD. Right from the get go this was about boxing vs MMA instead of a pro boxer crossing over to MMA.
They picked the right man for the job; Couture never shirks training, is always in shape, has great mental toughness, awesome wrestling and sticks to the gameplan, isn’t out to prove he’s a tough guy and isn’t going to take crazy risks. I think the fear of not knowing what was gonna happen influenced the decision on Toney’s opponent.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Randy wanted the fight
Who wouldn’t want a very easy fight that will also increase your profile?
Increase your profile? Not needed.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I don't believe the fight did Randy any favours
He’s already an HoF legend and he’s in a pretty big movie that just came out, if anything he’s just treading water on the MMA side of his carreer cause this didnt’ do anything for him there.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah he was looking for an easy paycheck too
"I'm sorry about my performance tonight... I had sand in my vagina."
-Forrest Griffin
He gets paid the same win or lose
And a % of paperview sales; and it’s not “easy” going through a training camp, doing the promo and the interviews involved in any fight. By comparison, 15 minutes of competition with anyone is a lot easier than everything that goes into the time spent leading up to the fight.
Couture fought Brock Lesnar and gave up 50-60 lbs for christ sakes, he’s not hand picking his opponents. Just cause he says he’ll fight someone doesn’t mean Joe Silva has to give it to him. That’s garbage.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Couture asked for Brock...
not really sure what UFC you have been watching, but if you do not think that there are “political” motivations behind these fights, you need to wake up a little.
Randy as well as Dana knows what sells, Randy gets a % of PPV, therefore Randy asks for fights that guarantee big PPV numbers. Easy Math for Capt Paycheck (who I am BIG admirer of, but I like the nickname) Sure, he doesn’t back down, but neither would I for that scratch.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
true and true
we all sit here and bitch about matchmaking, but at his age, with his selling power, why the hell wouldn’t he try to make the most he can. People are buying the shit.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
Matchmaking is one thing but to pull some bullshit like throwing a fatass with no MMA experience is another. At least I respect Brock because he is in his prime and is willing to learn.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Couture right now is on a retirment tour....
they will not give him guys dangerous enough to put him away. They will milk as much PPV sales as they can out of his Captain America persona…maybe his last fight might be a tough one but not for now. If i was up to me, he would be fed to the growing boy that is Bones Jones.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 2, 2010 1:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
you are just a mean asshole
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
“ya, well youre a mean jerk”
(name that movie)
-It's Better To Be Judged By Twelve Than Carried By Six-
(In the name of the SouthCaliStunNa, amen)
by *Californication* on Sep 2, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Does anyone know if anyone else besides Randy get a % of the PPV's?
Would be very interesting to see what everyones final salaries were, including locker room bonus’, PPV %’s, etc.
There is no definitive list
mostly guesses. My guess:
Anderson
GSP
BJ
Brock
Chuck
Tito
Rashad
Rampage
Couture
I am sure Toney negotiated that for his “fight”
and then there are questionable guys like:
Shogun
Wand
Nog
Kos
Akiyama
Biz
etc. etc.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
I'm pretty sure Toney signed on for this one fight.
with the possibility for UFC to keep him if he had won the fight. He deserves 500k based on his boxing skill, hell that’s why they made the fight and say whatever you want but Toney’s career and record is much better than Randy Couture’s or anyone on this card.
your mother !
realistically though.
contracts shouldn’t exist, fighters should be payed based on the impact of each of their fights. throw matchmaking to hell and implement a system, where the 1st place finisher receives 1st place money and so on like in any individual sport.. I don’t see how that would hurt anyone at all, these entertaining characters would still come, only difference is they’d have to do more than just be entertaining.
your mother !
I get that
The tournament style is the only real way to keep it a true sport. With matchmaking comes the entertainment value. Every promotion (with the exception of maybe Bellator) has a circus fight of one form or another. It is just funny when the talking heads point it out and try to take the moral high ground when their rival(s) do it.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
Right
And he’s the only fighter that does that… fighters call out other fighters and ask for certain fights all the damn time. Except we don’t come up with colorful names like “captain paycheck” or crucify them for it, just Couture.
And that’s bullshit, he did not ask for Brock, unless you got a link to an article or interview before that fight was announce where Couture specifically asks for Brock then don’t even go there. Brock was given a title shot against Randy, the Champ does not choose who he’s gonna fight.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Isn't that exactly what he was trying to do when he pursued Fedor?
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
That's a different Situation
Even though he was the UFC HW champ he wasn’t considered the best HW in the world. He’s one of the very few that left the biggest mma org in the world to pursue a fight with Fedor who was considered the #1 ranked HW.
It wasn’t like he was the champ trying to call out the #4 or #5 contender. He was trying to get a fight with someone ranked higher than he was.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
After insulting Big Nog on InsideMMA.....Just saying.
His witch ex wife was there too along with “thick” Gina.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 2, 2010 1:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
forgot to mention that Big Nog was ranked #2 back then.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 2, 2010 1:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Who calls out the #2 guy?? seriously..
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll never understand how that was misconstrued into an insult
He wanted the Fedor fight not the Big Nog fight. It’s not like he had something personal against the guy or thought he was a shitty fighter. I don’t get how that was a problem, Fedor has always been considered a better fighter than Big Nog. He skips over Nog and calls out the guy in the #1 spot, don’t all fighters do the same damn thing??
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes they definitely do that but that's mostly a way to get bigger fights....
When higher ranked fighters challenge you or are offered to you – why decline? If you’re confident you can beat #1, then why not #2? He was too worried about preserving his legacy in case of a loss (as he had established himself as a top HW in teh UFC post pride and the fall of their HW crop). Sure a loss to fedor means well i lost to the best of all time instead of i lost to one of the best of all time. And mind you this was for the UFC belt…..couture still felt that it wasn’t a fight worth his time – a fight which has been discussed since their king of kings days. I wont lie either The fact taht Kimmy said she wasn’t impressed with Big Nog and couture sitting there head nodding just put me over the edge. I don’t know maybe iam way too biased or digging too much into it.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 2, 2010 1:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think so
It makes perfect sense to me that if you’re in a position to do so, go after the #1 guy. I don’t see why he absolutley HAD to fight Nog instead of persuing the Fedor fight. As far as holding him responsible for something his wife said; I’m not sure what you wanted him to do there. It’s not like he’s gonna purposely make her look like an idiot in public wether he really did or didn’t agree with what she was saying.
And to be honest Nog really didn’t look all that impressive, he was typical Nog, getting his ass handed to him and then pulling off the comeback win.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
All fighters do it...at least the ones that get a %.
I am not dogging Couture. He is playing the UFC capitalist system perfectly.
There is probably no link stating that he picked Brock just as there is no link showing who Anderson Silva will not fight (you believe ther is a list for this, right?)
Why else would a guy that had 3 (THREE) professional fights get a title shot? If not for PPV sales? Brock didn’t earn a shot by losing to MIR and beating crazy-horse, did he? IF it wasn’t about the money, why did they not cancel Mir/Nog for the interim belt and have Mir fight for the belt and Nog/Brock as a #1 contender?
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
Yea of course it's about PPV sales
But that’s not something you can turn around and pin on Couture. Ultimatley they have a match maker, a promoter and a marketing team of people who get paid big $$ to come up with this stuff that’s gonna sell. The fighters job is to sign autographs and fight; if anyone has a problem with whos fighting they need to direct their ire/sarcasm to the real people responsible.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree, and din't want to piss you off (I have seen your wrath about Couture before)
But Randy has been around long enough to have everyone’s ear when it comes to these things. I don’t blame him for using all his power to keep in the public eye. Good for him.
Actually, I blame the fans who buy into the possibility of Toney winning. If Saturday’s PPV would have come in at 200K, we would never see this crap again. too bad it didn’t…
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
OD - The only MMA fans who thought that a portly Toney would KO Randy are either Randy haters, Toney lovers or Kimbo Slice fans (clueless). With Randy's pedigree - that fight was a LOCK. I am only speaking for myself but I knew how it would go down.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
With the outside chance of Randy shooting in and getting caught on the temple with one clean shot (which I put at about 50-1), this is exactly what everyone should have expected. I mean, come on guys.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
I am so disappointed in the number of hardcores on this site who gave Toney any type of chance.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
A Punchers chance was the only chance he had
"I'm sorry about my performance tonight... I had sand in my vagina."
-Forrest Griffin
Not from my POV. Toney was always a volume puncher and not a 1 punch KO machine. But I followed Toney in his prime so I knew this already.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
agreed with that he is no KO artist
I just gave him a very slight chance (very, very slight) of being able to land a clean, precise shot on the temple. Other than that, no chance in hell.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
I knew it was over when I saw the Countdown show and saw all that complete garbage about Toney taking it seriously and being in shape was a farce.
Once I saw that gut it took it from 1-3% down to 0%
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
It was a payday for all parties, The End.
I didn’t buy the PPV for that fight, so I am ok.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
4 oz gloves could've turned that around tho
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
That's a myth, OD.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
gloves almost hurt more
but, with a fist, I feel like you can find the off switch (particularly the temple) a little easier.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
harder to block too
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea gloves are there to protect the fighter's hands
not the opponent. Aside from the fighter being more willing to throw harder shots, there’s no cushioning…..boxing gloves are not pillows.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 2, 2010 1:30 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no it couldn't have.
Toney only TKO’d bums at HW and very few guys even at SMW (168). I have been saying this all along. If he had one-punch KO power, it would have shown up at his natural weight class (168 for fock’s sake) when he was boxing. Toney was a great defensive boxer that knew how to counter effectively from his defense. He was never dynamic in ANY sort of way.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
Thank you, Ulf. This just adds to my anger over this bullshit match.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Dude, you can't say that, everyone imagines things differently.....
Nobody (well maybe a few), sits down and suddenly gets a picture perfect image of how the fight was going to go down. ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN IN MMA!!! How many times have we all said this, c’mon….don’t make out like anyone who gave Toney a chance is some sort of moron.
I like fighting.
I gave 3 classifications : Toney lover, Randy hater or general mainstream fan aka Kimbo fan.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 2, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
#4
its a fight, and as we have seen, anything can happen.
(i belong to the “i thought randy would do what he did” group.)
-It's Better To Be Judged By Twelve Than Carried By Six-
(In the name of the SouthCaliStunNa, amen)
by *Californication* on Sep 2, 2010 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
If Toney was in shape - I would go with the anything can happen theory. Once I saw him waddle in the weigh-ins the % went from 1 to 0 for me.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 2, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Was under the mistaken impression
that he has looked like that for like 10 years?
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
237 was the heaviest he ever weighed for a boxing match. That match was also widely regarded as his worst, most pathetic performance.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
I thought the point was that he was in terrible shape.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
And this did not convince you further that Randy would win?
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 2, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
You are mistaking me
for someone who thought JT had much of a chance. I gave him 50-1 chance of being able to catch randy on the temple. Beyond that, no chance.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
Ok - all is forgiven.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 2, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes OJR, we all knew Randy would win, but what my point is anything can happen in MMA,
You can never say who will win 100%, if that was the case there would be no odds, no bookies , no gamblers, no point in having the fight in the first place!!
I like fighting.
You are right but I had it at 99.9%. No lie.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 2, 2010 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I think that's OJ's point.
Is that there was no point in having the fight..
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Shit, Randy fighting a fat, old Toney is like having a Harvard grad take a class at Joe's Community College. Easy pickings.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 2, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be boring OJR if everything was by the book...
The odd freak show never hurt anybody, do you honestly feel hurt by the whole Kimbo,then Toney experiences? A little entertainment never hurt anybody, as long as the best fighters in each division holds the belt, why worry what goes on in-between. The whole 118 card was shit imo except for Davis -Diaz, so it is not like Toney spoiled everything, chill out, take the good with the bad.
I like fighting.
TKK - I just don't like sideshows that take away from the integrity of the sport. I see too many shades of boxing in its corruption when matches like this happen.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 2, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I the only person that found the Maia fight entertaining?
Sub attempt, after sub attempt; I thought some of his set ups were pretty damn slick.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. I liked it. I even liked the Maynard fight because he displayed some great wrestling - yes, I am a weirdo.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 2, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Whoa, whoa
you need to settle down son; I went to Joe’s…
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha! I thought you would like that analogy because I am paying Randy a huge compliment.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 2, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Then go with #4 Anything can happen - and live in peace. Amen.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 2, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I called it when I predicated a two min fight
which is about what it was; but I got faith in Randy, it’s not surprising to me that a lot of people thought he could lose.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear ya
But if I was Marcus Davis and was sitting beside Toney in the locker room getting stiched up while he played the part of a tackling dummy, I’d be a little miffed to say the least.
"I'm sorry about my performance tonight... I had sand in my vagina."
-Forrest Griffin
It should be based on the revenue they can generate for the company. It is based on their worth.
Toney will never make that money again in mma. That is how capitalism works. It works well, gets us the best fights, and sustains a sport we all enjoy.
by Conan the Barbarian on Sep 2, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the sad thing about that situation
A. Silva gets % of ppv sales, Chael Sonnen does not; if anything Silva should be writing the guy a thank you letter.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously
and did Chael think that he was going to attract sponsors and more money talking like that? I would have to think most marketing executives were thinking “lets just go ahead and stay the hell away from this pyscho”.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
Hahaha yeah.
I hit enter and it goes to gray and said POST IT! It didn’t do anything so I hit the other post and both of them post lol
Like I posted before : a farce in which Toney and DW are laughing all the way to the bank. And most bought it (literally) - hook, line and sinker!
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
This(except I went to the bar so as not to line their pockets). First one in a while that I didn't order.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
I guess I am not overreacting. Or am I? What happened to MMA as a fucking sport? This really rises my fucking temper.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I've argued this before
It’s a sport 2nd and a business 1st; until you change who’s in charge that’s how it’s gonna be.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Fine. I understand. But to hype that fight as being competitive is a goddamn lie, man. Just complete horseshit. That's what gets me the most. And the whole MMA vs. Boxing angle was utter garbage.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
It will never work again, thank god...
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
I really hope you are right because you might see me in jail or dead like that nut who barged into the offices of the Discovery Channel.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 2, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I will take it upon myself to troll every MMA board in existence, Twitter (which I have no idea how to use) every known journalist/fighter/politician/etc/etc/etc decrying the uselessness of promoting another fight like this.
This does nothing for the sport except divide the pundits of each even more. We need to understand (and make non-hardcore fans) that boxing is a very important discipline in MMA but it is only one facet that needs to be respected and learned along with the rest.
And like any fledgling MMA fighter learns, only bringing one bullet to a gun fight is gonna get you dead really quick.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
It could work with a younger boxer who's actually relevant today in boxing.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions
but if they're still relevant in boxing chances are they don't give 2 shits about MMA
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
yep...Kelly Pavlik (heard of him?)
was making $1.1 base per fight as MW champ. Most notable guys make more than 500K
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
Wonder how much longer that's gonna last
I’m surprised they still upll in the viewing #’s to make that kind of cash.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Who knows
but Boxing is pretty much turning into soccer in America. People will watch a world cup type match (Mayweather v. Pacquiao) but beyond that, it just isn’t that relevant outside of Europe. But, that shit sells in places like Germany.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
kenny needs a new agent
In fact, I’m beginning to think UFC fighters are going to have to form a union.
by cosa7189 on Sep 2, 2010 11:48 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Kenny, really?
He made $65,000 in the loss, if anyone needs a new agent it’s Lauzon. He made only $2,000 more than Nik “bathroom-break” Lentz.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
He made more than Randy Couture, Legend, hall of Famer, Pioneer, Former Champ, BJ Penn pioneer former champ, and Frankie Edgar. Current champ combined .
I know i know, back end, under that table, PPV % for couture and Penn, but still, up front, thats alot of dough for this foo. Im sure alot of UFC employees wont be to happy to see that. OF course, after PPV buysare in, we will see if it was worth it or not.
Shogun will have the longest championship reign in the UFC
LOL
I will face Randy and take a beating for 500k, I will also hype the fight ala Sonnen, for 500k!!!
It really wasn't that bad of a beating
he just got choked out; probably went straight to a cheese burger a beer and comfortable hotel room right afterward. Easiest 500k I’ve ever seen someone make.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed!
That was exactly what I was thinking… Smart move by Toney! I just hope we dont have see a spot on another card go to Toney
enzo-enormous
by enzo-enormous on Sep 2, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Smart move by Toney or a dumb move by MMA fans in general? I think its the 2nd one.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I would say both actually
enzo-enormous
by enzo-enormous on Sep 2, 2010 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
That's fair.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 2, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
OJR, I think it wouldn't be as bad if Toney made a reasonable amount of money. No way Toney draws in as many fans as some of the MMA fighters he made more than, BJ being one. Chalking it up to good business is BS, IMO.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
I think you overestimate the number of hardcore fans out there
and seriously underestimate the Kimbo nuthuggers of the world. Stupid people are everywhere. It is a friggin epidemic.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
I just don't think there's that much overlap in the Kimbo and Toney crowds. I'm sure there is some, but I don't think Toney was as big a draw to the casual/WWE crowd as Kimbo is.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
He brought in the boxing fans too
Who knows how many ppl that watch nothing but boxing decided to give MMA a whirl just cause Toney was on a card. I’m definatley interested to see what the #’s are.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
You guys are right, I should reserve judgement until the numbers come out.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
I think a lot of people are under the impression that
if you take a boxers gloves off, he will just ko everyone he touches. People really don’t understand why the gloves are there in the first place- to protect the knuckles.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
I get that
But I also think it’s easier to slip through an opponents defenses with 4 oz gloves, and being the superior striker shouldn’t a boxer have an easier time landing that KO punch if the opponents defenses are weaker than normal??
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes. However, the glove being 4oz is not a guarantee of a higher % of a KO.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 2, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure Toney will invest that money well.
To be the best you gotta be one crazy son of a bitch…and that’s the truth - BJ Penn
lol...
Fedor invented a language that incorporates Sambo and Kimuras.
So next time FEDOR is kicking your ass, don't be offended or hurt, he may be just trying to tell you he likes your hat.
The way the economy is looking another diamond-studded piece of jewelry may not be a terrible investment!
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
Right there with you.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
lol
-It's Better To Be Judged By Twelve Than Carried By Six-
(In the name of the SouthCaliStunNa, amen)
by *Californication* on Sep 2, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Getting a washed up boxer to compete in a sport he knows nothing about, against a legend – $500,000.
Getting a pioneer of the sport to take on said washed up boxer – $250,000
Watching a boxer get thoroughly dismantled at the hands of a 47 year old mma practitioner – priceless.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
So much for the breaking news from yahoo sports this week stating Toney would earn between $750-$1Mil for the fight. Media sources are so eager to release these type of news with no merit whatsoever to facts.
Im sure this event is probably one of the tops for the UFC not making much on. The payroll probably is 1/2 of the gate take and I doubt the PPV sales will exceed 500,000. Of course I’m pretending to be Yahoo on the estimate.
I can almost guarantee that Toney got a % of PPV as well
which in the end, may in fact be upwards of another 500 grand in his pocket. If Toney was only making the figures above, you wouldn’t have heard nearly as much bullshit out of his camp.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
im sure he got a PPV % as well?
too bad the numbers wont be big.
500K flat rate. Tied with Iceman for highest?
i would do the same if i was him, but being that Dana said he wasnt even going after him, rather the opposite with Toney “chasing” him around the country, i am somewhat surprised at such a flat rate.
Randy got a BIG backoom bonus, id bet my left nut (and thats the big one).
-It's Better To Be Judged By Twelve Than Carried By Six-
(In the name of the SouthCaliStunNa, amen)
by *Californication* on Sep 2, 2010 12:46 PM EDT reply actions
What a slap to the face of real MMA fighters,
just discouraging to read this. This takes away from how legit this sport is, what a joke!!!!
Thank you!
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Calm down dude
It’s gone now and it won’t be happening again
A burning passion from a burning mass reaches up for the sky
by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Sep 2, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't be calm because this is how the bullshit starts. You let it go once and who is to say that it won't happen again?
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 2, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
it will happen again, make no mistakes
The hardcores will be a little more on board with your outlook next time, but the Kimbo fans of the world eat this shit up. Come on OJR, most of those people still think Kimbo would give Brock a run for his money.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
I hope my maniacal rants have some common sense that the integrity of MMA really suffers when we have these types of matches.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 2, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I hear what you're saying............
I love this sport and I hate to see it tarnished with these stupid ass match-ups, but I also can’t stop watching it. I look forward to fight night every month. It sucks that I am against this shit, but I also support it (by buying the PPV) I’m a hypocrit………. :-(
Blame Canada, Blame Canada, With all their hockey hullabaloo, And that bitch Anne Murray too, Blame Canada,Shame on Canada...............
I am in the same boat
I was entertained with the Toney fight. Was it a real match, no, somewhere above WWE and way below MMA.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
above WWE?
at least when WWE brought in boxers they were of note- Tyson/Mayweather
lol
-It's Better To Be Judged By Twelve Than Carried By Six-
(In the name of the SouthCaliStunNa, amen)
by *Californication* on Sep 2, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
It sucks...............
But I can’t help myslef. No way I could boycott it, unless every matchup on a card was of this caliber…………………….
Blame Canada, Blame Canada, With all their hockey hullabaloo, And that bitch Anne Murray too, Blame Canada,Shame on Canada...............
I rarely go to a bar for fights
I don’t like battling for seats or listening to dimwits spew garbage while everyone at their table nods because they know how to say “submission”.
I bought this for the BJ and K-flo fights. Toney didn’t sell me on this thing, I would have purchased without the Toney Couture fight.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
Last time I went to a bar - I got into a scuffle with 3 guys at the same time. I just go to a friend's house.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 2, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I am just a thug at heart! Represent!
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 2, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha! I actually was talking about you feeding the machine by paying for the PPV.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
D'oh! I did not pay for it. My friend did but I bought the beer. I have also refused to buy PPV's in the past. Like Tito vs. Griffin 2.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 2, 2010 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions
yep, I went to someone else's house for that one too
and drank their beer.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
Were they Kimbo fans?
And you should’ve gotten some street cred toward your street certification there as well.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
No - just some drunks hitting on my girl. They looked at me and thought - this guy is about as tall as Edgar, lets fuck with him. And so they did.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 2, 2010 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I got in a fight over a chick one time..
Some ppl at a Denny’s were talkin shit to her at 2am so I fought one of them in the parking lot after we got outside. And I got laid afterward… so really I didn’t learn a damn thing from this experience lol.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure you did. Chivalry can get you laid. Denny's FTW!
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 2, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess it really was the perfect night..
I got drunk, got in a fight and got laid.. wtf more can you ask for?
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have too, but I honestly didn't want to give my money to them for this. I know they're not hurting over me going to the bar, but it's a principle thing for me.
Also, I found an AWESOME bar to watch the fights at. There’s a private room upstairs with lounge seats and it’s not crowded. $5 cover and cheap drinks. The people around me were definitely casuals, but they weren’t the loud, obnoxious type. I’ll definitely go back there for weaker cards.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
every bar around me is packed
I have tried on a couple occasions. Plus, typically, it is cheaper for me to order it at home. People usually kick down a couple bucks, I end up with a few extra beers in my fridge the next day. It is pretty much a wash for me.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
Nothing beats watching it at home with friends. Just rare occasions(like this last card) I will go to the bar.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
Yep
I just use the events as a reason to have a little party. The only events that I don’t do this for and the Fight Night Cards on Spike or VS. I tend to just chill at home with 1 or 2 friends for those. Any PPV, its on at my house, or my friends. We rotate.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
I hate watching a UFC event in a bar
I can’t hear the commentary and there’s too many drunk ignorant moron fans there that have absolutley no clue what they’re talking about.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with that. I can't go to Hooters or Buffalo Wild Wings anymore, but I found a great spot to watch them. Guess I lucked out.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
Buffalo Wild Wings
Is the worst place to ever watch a UFC fight. I watched Jackson vs Liddell there and EVERY table was full up; you could not hear a damn thing over the constant chatter of everyone around you.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Sep 2, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
“Kimbo would destroy this guy, he just wants to hump that other dude”
“Tito is a fantastic Muay Thai fighter”
“BJ Penn has excellent Karate”
“GSP likes fighting off his back”
“Kung Fu beats wrestling everyday of the week, didn’t you see Iron Monkey?”
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
I concur that BWW is by far the worst bar. ALWAYS packed with idiots wearing Affliction shirts to try to prove they're cool. Watched two fights there(the 2nd I got dragged there) and will never go back.
And Deuce I think you’re being too generous, I’ve heard worse.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
I watched a Frank Mir fight in the bar
and heard “He is the best boxer in mma, hands down”, “Look at those combos”. I just kept muttering, SLOW ROBOT.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
Kimbo fans are everywhere!
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 2, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
you chilled yet OJR?
:-)
A burning passion from a burning mass reaches up for the sky
by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Sep 2, 2010 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
man, I hope not
He is almost as exciting as an angry J.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
It is entertaining.
Like a yappy little dog snapping at your heels
A burning passion from a burning mass reaches up for the sky
by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Sep 2, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I am a dangerous bulldog. Watch out!
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 2, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Woof woof!
A burning passion from a burning mass reaches up for the sky
by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Sep 2, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't bark. I bite! And watch out for your knee caps because I got springs, kid!
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 2, 2010 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I have wicked leg kicks
that you don’t see coming because I am cheap, and utilize them when you are belly up to the bar and I am behind you.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
for the designated peacekeeper of mania
you get into a lot of scuffles. I don’t know if you are ever allowed to watch a ppv at my house.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
For real, OJ's that guy you can't go out with because he fights too much.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
his bark is worse than his bite
I believe from his posts he believes the pen more mighty than the sword….
A burning passion from a burning mass reaches up for the sky
by Shoguns Hairy Forearms. on Sep 2, 2010 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
In this day and age
it certainly is.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
Deuce - I don't know where that peacekeeper stuff came from. And Shogun - yes it is.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 2, 2010 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions
just giving you shit.
I refer to you as the peacekeeper because when I started posting regularly here, I got into it with someone and you got me to calm down. Then, welcomed me to mania. Awwwww.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
Ah, crap. No wonder people think I am soft. I miss being called a dick.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Sep 2, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I also do a lot of that
It is also fun.
You don’t have me fooled ya dickhead.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
Wait.............
Kimbo wouldn’t give Brock a run for his money?? Blasphemy!!!! lol
Blame Canada, Blame Canada, With all their hockey hullabaloo, And that bitch Anne Murray too, Blame Canada,Shame on Canada...............
Not bad
Toney totally pulled one on DANA. Randy beating an washed up boxer only proves that boxing and mma are two different sports. The fight wasnt competitive and the UFC really didnt gain much from this victory neither did MMA. When Bj Flores or any other young boxer makes their MMA debut its gonna be real.
Toney looked like he saved a ton of money on a training camp also.
The man that doesnt fall, Doesnt Stand
Fuck u Fedor haters
I don't think it's a fair pay out. Randy and Frankie were under paid.
Randy has been champion how many times? and one of the most popular fighters in MMA. Frankie is the Champ, I know he isn’t as popular as BJ but he did put a beating on him, twice now.
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