The 'Great' Escape: Nate Marquardt denies greasing allegations following UFC Fight Night 22 win
by Jesse Holland on Sep 16, 2010 9:33 AM EDT
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And credits a "good sweat" for getting out of danger against Rousimar Palhares during last nights UFC Fight Night 22 post-fight press conference:
"It's kind of disappointing to have to try and defend yourself over something like that. I'm not a dirty fighter, and I don't cheat. I don't grease ... I didn't really know what he was doing, but I saw his hand was kind of pointing toward the ref or something. He took his eyes off me. Once he took his eyes off me, that's when I jumped in... I guess I was surprised, but at the same time, I was watching him the whole time for an opening. That was it ... I was very excited for the win, but that kind of took a little bit of it out of it for me ... Basically, I believe what happened was I had a good sweat going before the fight. He felt as I turned out of the ankle lock that it slipped a little bit, and he felt that I had greased or something, so I'm sure he was a little upset."
"Toquinho" was pounded out after a lame-duck attempt at protesting the "Great" escape and while he later apologized for his accusations, many fans still have their doubts about the tactics of the Greg Jackson camp after UFC 94's "Greasegate" back in July 2009. Was the Brazilian's reaction just sour grapes because he failed to hold the sub? Or is there more to the story? Let's hear your take on last night's bizarre finish.
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Just sour grapes.....move along there is nothing to see here
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by WarriorSaint on Sep 16, 2010 9:39 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
greg jackson is so overrated!!
the guy and his camp of trainers might be the most overrated bunch in the sport today. what have they produced other than run of the mill game planners. they don’t have true blooded fighters, they have strategist. they have a stable full of guys who won’t fight, they just follow gameplan’s. that’s greg jackson though, the man has NO skill whatsoever, other than he perfected gettin his ass kicked. the only hope the man has is game plans. game plans are for football games, not fights. marquardt’s not a threat to anyone’s belt anytime soon. rashad certainly isn’t, he’s just gettin title shots handed to him for bein a hesitant, scared fighter. because his wall stall and lay n pray worked against rampage. their new team name should be Team Decision!
this won't go over well....
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
I agree with the exception of Bones...Every fight you can clearly hear Jackson yelling instruction to his fighter for points and stalling
I like bacon...and Rashad Evans is a pussy
and Condit... remember how Jackson went all crazy and told Condit to kick the Rory's ass?
It was a welcome change.
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
Run of the mill planners?
Was Rashad hesitant when he got KOd by Machida? I seem to remember him engaging, repeatedly, to his own detriment.
Shane Carwin, Leonard Garcia, Jon Jones, Donald Cerrone and Carlos Condit won’t fight?
I find it particularly entertaining that you made this comment in a thread which is discussing Nate’s recent (last night) TKO victory.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
he was totally cheating
he was greased up more than a cross channel swimmer. he was so greasy i went to turn the volume up during the fight and the remote slipped outta my hand.
lol
Either that or you lubed yourself up for the main event.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
a little bit from column a
a little bit from column b
haha
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
I think he was too! They def do something!
Palharas does this every day for a long time, I think he would know if something were up. And it wasn’t like he lost and then said something, he did it during the fight! Which was kinda dumb, but whatever.
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
Then why didn't anyone find anything on him when they checked him after the fight?
Did he just miraculously stop sweating out all the “grease” he used on his legs as soon as the fight ended?
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
Because they were all in on it of course! Twas a conspiracy I tells ya -- eeeehehehehehehe
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
course it is
this goes to the top baby, to get to the bottom of it you have to bring down dana, jackson and the lakota oil indian. they’re all in bed with each other in some big oily, slip and slide, bum fucking, crooked, gay wreslting pile. i see it, and the fighters after they get beat see it, the question is why don’t you?
lol!
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
Bc it's not something like car oil!
Their bathing in something the night before and eating certain foods. It will create a slippery surface without oil residue. It’s pretty common!!!
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
U knuckleheads.... "The Guide to Proper Greasing"
1. Shave hair off body
2. Use basic Body lotion
3. Lotion entire body deeply night before
4. Lostion entire body morning before.
- End Result*****
smooth and slick as a Baby’s bottom.
Benefits
1. undetectable to Refs when Wet or Dry
2. Able to lose enough traction to slip out of your opponents Gorilla Grip.
3. It’s not consider Cheating.
Negatives
1. Opponent will recognize something is WRONG.
2. Ur on Greg Jackson’s team and have to watch GSP in Speedos throughout the day.
3. Ur on Greg Jackson’s team and better expect to twist your nipples.
if you have sweaty legs
they feel pretty greased, especially if the legs are shaved.
i think palhares was pissed that he did not get the ankle lock and screamed cheater, then got ktfo.
never have any regrets, because at the time, thats all you wanted to do
Wrong!
You really don’t think Palharas knows the dif between grease and sweat??? Yea bc he has never grappled with a sweaty guy before. And he wasn’t complaining after the fight, it was during. It was a dumb move, but I believe him 100%!
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
what about immediately after the fight
when herb dean checked nates legs and he said that they were not greased, and that there was no foul play?
palhares thought he was such a bad ass that when he sat back for the ankle lock and it slipped out, it must be because hes greased.
and to try and call him out in the middle of the round is retarded, wait till between rounds to bring it up to the ref. thats why at the beginning the ref says “protect yourselves at all times”.
never have any regrets, because at the time, thats all you wanted to do
Palhares is retarded...
Who does he think he is? Jamie Varner? you cant call time out in the middle of a fight to scream “grease”. Mouth guard…maybe. Wait till the end of the round to start crying
He should have pulled a Kos
and gotten up and pretended to slip from all the grease. So far the Oscar for best acting in the octagon this year still goes to Josh.
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by fenderacoustic (formerly wAyNe) on Sep 16, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
"me no get sub!"
“I always get sub..nate must have cheat!”…it did look like a slick escape…but he was checked by several people, so he is in the clear in my book.
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by salamagogo on Sep 16, 2010 9:43 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
very true. even if i believe something was amiss with nate's legs...
palhares is an idiot for just stopping the fight in a scramble. get up to your feet and then tell the ref when you are serperated that you think something is wrong. can’t just stop, no timeouts in mma…
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
Why is it even being implied that this is still an issue?
Rousimer already apologized for his accusations, this is a dead issue.
Because this is MMAMANIA
and they will take one quote someone makes in an hour long speech and try to turn it into a controversy. I remember reading a full interview with Frank Mir where they kept asking about Brock Lesnar and I thought the interview was good and respectful and Mania posted some one line quote that looked like Mir was talking crap. Then we never heard the end of it.
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by fenderacoustic (formerly wAyNe) on Sep 16, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
But in other news
Dan Henderson had a birthday last month and here is a goofy picture!
LOL, I talk crap but I am here every day. I Love Mania faults and all.
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by fenderacoustic (formerly wAyNe) on Sep 16, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont fuckin get this.
Nate says he didn’t grease.
Palhares apologized for being a moron.
Commission checks Nate’s legs right after fight.
Ref checks Nate’s legs right after fight.
Rogan verifies they checked.
Yet he still “may be guilty”?
This a pile of bullshit from babies who hate GSP/Jackson and anything they’re associated with. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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by daniel worby on Sep 16, 2010 9:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
That's what I'm saying
This is bullshit, and even reporting about it this way keeps the “conspiracy” going. He didn’t cheat, it was verified he didn’t cheat, get over it.
by PetrozellisJab on Sep 16, 2010 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
can't fight the system.
what do u expect to read when you come to a news site. this is media where everything is blown up, how else would they sell.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic !
just because it bugs you
Doesn’t mean fans don’t want to talk about it. What should I do, pretend there was no controversy so people can go to another site to sound off on it?
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Sep 16, 2010 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
My apologies
I’ve gotten the point. And I understand, I guess I’m being a little oversensitive. I just don’t like seeing a person get slandered without all the facts. Why not quote Palhares apology in the main article?
by PetrozellisJab on Sep 16, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Why not post it here as part of your argument that Nate is getting a bad rap? Or how about a FanPost? I know you have a voice on this topic and I wouldn’t mind hearing it in greater detail.
It is not enough to succeed. Others must fail.
by Jesse Holland on Sep 16, 2010 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I guess some people wants the three monkey approach to journalism (talk, hear, and see no evil.)
It occurred and people talked about it, thus it is news. We cant really shy away from controversy even in the end it just proves that Nate has Great sweat.
I've got something to say; it better to burn in hell than to fade away!!!
And just like a real "journalist"
Jesse doesn’t post all the facts. Like the Palhares apology as pointed out by PetroJab. His solution, Petro should put it in his post. So instead of reading it in the main article people can muddle through the 100 comments this article will have by the end of the day. Maybe Jesse’s edit button is broken. More likely he is just stoking the flames. Evidenced by his asking the question, “Or is there more to the story?” When informed people know there is not more to the story. It’s all good this isn’t the New York Times although they do the same thing, LOL. At least Mania doesn’t moderate comments out that question or criticize them. So they’ve got that going for them. Which is nice.
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by fenderacoustic (formerly wAyNe) on Sep 16, 2010 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Nate is a Christian as well
Not to bring religion into this, but anyone who knows Christianity understands that they do not lie…..and why would Nate need this win so bad when he could have greased up against a wrestler like Sonnen?
BS insinuations.
10-08-28 BJ Penn exposed for the 7th time!!!!
by hairybumcrack on Sep 16, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Not to bring religion into this, but anyone who knows Christianity understands that they do not lie
LOL
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
HAHAHAHAHA Best laugh all month!!!!
They don’t lie! LOLOLOLOL!!!! And a bear doesn’t shit in the woods!!! And why would you grease against a wrestler? Sonnen doesn’t go for subs. I hope that whol post was a joke, but where’s the “LOL?” It has to be and I will consider it so bc I don’t think anyone could be so delusional.
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
Yeah, at first I thought, “That sucks, that’s not even a worthy win, he probably cheated,” but if Palhares apologized and everything checked out okay, then there should be no controversy. As much as I like Palhares, he should not have lost focus and let his guard down in a fucking fight, as though Marquardt wasn’t going to jump on him when the opportunity arose.
Damn, Palhares had a good chance of winning and he blew it. Oh well. A potentially good fight turned into a huge disappointment. It would be Palhares’s fault even if Nate did grease, because there’s no point protesting in the middle of the fucking fight, when someone’s gonna punch you in the face any chance he gets.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
Exactly
you defend yourself at all times.
I was just as confused watching the fight and thought it was totally possible that during the failed triangle by marquardt some grease may have transferred from Palhares face onto Nate’s leg. Luckilly that didn’t happen or the cheating accusations would never stop.
by PetrozellisJab on Sep 16, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, right. Paul Harris, even if he had lost anyway, would have put up a better fight than that if he actually kept fighting.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
But it was still a real stoppage. Nobody made Palhares not defend himself.
by EvolutionMMA on Sep 16, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course, but in terms of being able to see a decent fight, we lost out. And it’s Paul Harris’s fault, but he had a good chance to win and blew it by being stupid and gave Marquardt the W.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
It’s a shame, because he has so much potential. He fucked up in this fight. He had never been stopped in a fight before and that’s a cool stat to have. Instead, he just hands Nate the W.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
Agreed Evo
and even if Palhares hadn’t looked away for a split second Nate would have been in a great position to drop bombs anyway. You could argue Tree Stump may have pulled guard. But we will never know. Nate’s win was still convincing enough in my opinion even if a little air was taken out by the accusation. Maybe if Rousimar strings together some wins they can market a rematch. But not right now.
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by fenderacoustic (formerly wAyNe) on Sep 16, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It all makes sense now
I was wondering why Rousimar Palhares was spotted in Hilo Hawaii a couple of weeks before this fight.
LOL
At least Penn waited until he quit the fight to accuse GSP of cheating.
by PetrozellisJab on Sep 16, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions
oh thats right it was just an accusation. it wasn't like GSP actually got caught greasing and the ref had to wipe him down and publicly warn him after the first round
grease gates have been reopened. well we got nothing else to discuss except that daley signed with strikeforce, so why not. should be fun.
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
Stop marking out to your own board man,
we’ll get there eventually trust me.
by PetrozellisJab on Sep 16, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
marking out to my own board? what does that mean? serious question, i don't know
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
Didn't you just post a thread about Semtex signing with Strikeforce?
by PetrozellisJab on Sep 16, 2010 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions
oh thats what u mean lol... understood, i am a shameless self promoter
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by daniel worby on Sep 16, 2010 10:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
haha thanks man, i saw, appreciated.
i read the news in an ariel helwani status update on facebook. you should add him as a friend, he accepts everyone and that is the fastest way for you mmbb guys to get notified. he breaks a lot of stuff.
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
He does accept everyone
I didn’t even have to send him a message saying how awesome I am to get him to click approve just to be associated with me.
by PetrozellisJab on Sep 16, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
noted :)
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by daniel worby on Sep 16, 2010 12:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO HMMMMMM
that ankle was pretty deep. But if the commission checked it… I still say give the guy another shot; nate had a hard time finding an opening, and ONLY got it when the guy complained. Then again he could have waited to say something… I saw phil nurse grease GSP there is no denying that. He even tried to hide it and put the vaseline in his pocket. I dont think the jackson camp would try their luck again.
disagree. i don't think it was deep at all.
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by daniel worby on Sep 16, 2010 10:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
haha, classic
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
I say give Paul Harris Demian Maia next. That would be a good match-up, and even though I’d rather see them take it to the ground, it would most likely be a stand-up battle.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
Very interesting matchup forsure.
I think Paul would destroy Demian in stand-up though, he looks like he got serious power and that compact frame. He would just cock that right hand wait to land like Henderson-Bisping. Maia would prolly want to take it to the ground asap.
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
I like this Paul Harris guy, he seems like a competitive fighter.
I've got something to say; it better to burn in hell than to fade away!!!
Not sure why we are still discussing this...
He was cleared by the referee and the athletic commission. End of story. Guess it’s a slow day so people have to create misplaced drama. Move on.
and yet you are here discussing this
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
the more you comment the less we are moving on
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
the funny thing is that he just made his account a couple minutes ago
he has 2 comments and they are both on how we should not be discussing this.
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
well a couple of minutes ago!!!! that makes him creditable and an expert (sarcasm)
LOLOL!!!
I like bacon...and Rashad Evans is a pussy
Creditable?
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
would have been great if it was pride rules he would have got an awesome head stomp in
i wasn’t surprised though palharse has a syndrome “AAAA-HA mongo grab leg” i suppose its back to the special school to lick the windows…… fuckin yohgurt spitter
what just happened?
"NOBODY wants to fight Fedor." - Wanderlei Silva, former Pride MW Champion and GP winner
Was anyone else reminded of Arlovski v. Marcio Cruz
They were in a similar position on the ground, and Cruz just sort of hung his face out there undefended. Arlovski cracks him in the face just like Marquardt did to tree stump.
http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_Andrei_Arlovski_vs_Marcio_Cruz_UFC_66?vid=10002456
Sorry, I have no gif skills.
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There was a referee restart in that fight, this time Palhares just stopped mid-fight.
But both are definitely examples of guys not fighting at the wrong time.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
nate wasnt fuckin greased
he had the ref and the doctor to check his legs.palhares is just alittle cry baby. sorry your submission that u use every sigle fight didnt work this time. get better at more so u can try more in a fight. nate just knew it was coming an was ready for it
Oh poor baby couldnt be a dirty fighter and fuck up Nates leg by holding on too long to a sub :(
Though I was watching that tribute to Royce gracie that was on spike after the fights/tuf, and I have to say, Royce was the dirtiest fucker Ive ever seen. I realize the rules were more open with the head butts and hair pulling, but Im talking about the look on his face when he got a sub and the ref stepped in. It was like “I want to hurt this guy as much as I can before I get pulled off.” Dirty little bitch. I just flushed my tribute to that dirt bag down my toilet. Pioneer or not, I have no respect for Royce after seeing that.
The worst thing about all of this is the pathetic Jackson and GSP haters coming out of the woodwork claiming that he greased yet they don’t even know what that word means. No wonder Bj has so many fans because there are alot of people who are just as whinny and crybabies as he is.
"they mad at me, I keep going hard reppin/
cause what's your Rampage to Rashad Evans/"
-Joe Budden (Something To Ride To)
http://www.zshare.net/audio/76866807deabe3c1/
Win for Nate but.....
I dont think he’s anything more than a MW gatekeeper. Silva destroyed him, albeit 3 yrs ago, Chael smashed him and even though I think Nate has improved, I don’t think he will ever have a chance against Silva, Vitor or even Chael. The lack of good MW’s is part of the reason why he is ranked so high. and he did slip out of that sub attempt pretty easily, maybe the Skin So Soft thing actually works. It wouldn’t suprise me if Greg Jackson found a way to grease that is undetectable, like some of the ways people on here have mentioned.
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