UFC Quick Quote: Dan Hardy fires back over criticism surrounding 'Wrestle-Gate'
by Jesse Holland on Sep 14, 2010 10:47 AM EDT
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"One guy who struggled to keep up with the points I made was UFC middleweight and charisma donor Nate Marquardt, who always seems to have something to say about me, for no other reason than I once competed against one of his friends. Sadly, we can now add 'literacy test' to the types of tests Nate has failed, because he either misread the whole thing or – like writers from AOL and Yahoo did – just read the first paragraph or two and had to stop because reading gives him a headache. Ultimately, people can agree or disagree with what I wrote, but the facts are on my side. The Nick Lentz fight at UFC 118, which was the catalyst for my column, was the only UFC Prelim fight to ever lose TV viewers. That hurt the pay-per-view buy rate, it hurt Andre Winner's career, it hurt lightweight Joe Lauzon – who had an amazing performance immediately after Lentz's effort, which fewer people witnessed because of Lentz – and it hurt the sport as a whole. No one watching that Lentz fight was entertained, no one turned to their buddy and screamed 'Damn! This fight is so awesome! He's holding the hell out of him!' I would never presume to speak for the UFC, but I can't see Lentz getting any more prime time opportunities anytime soon."
Former UFC welterweight number one contender Dan Hardy fires back at critics on his Nottingham blog after his anti-wrestling comments ticked off everyone from Nate Marquardt to Yahoo Sports. "The Outlaw" was vocal about the emerging trend in mixed martial arts that favors wrestlers who can disrupt their opponent's gameplan with frequent takedowns, leading to a decision win without actually engaging and even cites Nik Lentz by name. Is the Brit leading the charge of frustrated fans? Or alienating them with his shoot-from-the-hip approach? What's your take?
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I have to agree with him....
I spend $50 on a PPV event to watch fights, not a freaking wrestling match! The Lay n Praying needs to stop!
The Lentz fight was free...
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
N8dogg got hustled into paying for it :)
BJ Penn is the biggest waste of talent in MMA history. Like usual, my pick was wrong and I blame a certain pudgy Hawaiin for my own short comings when it comes to talent selection. As it stands BZ – 3 Freenow82 – 1.
I think that is the problem with this entire argument...
gross generalizations are used when fighting this fight from either side:
“Wrestling is only boring like Lentz and Fitch.”
“MMA knuckledraggers should learn to appreciate grappling and stop only looking for stand-and-bang fights.”
I am right in the middle…I like ALL forms of MMA and appreciate watching talented fighters use every discipline to succeed in our sport. I get bored with lay and pray. The Lentz fight sucked. Fitch bores me sometimes, but I appreciate what he does and how talented he is at doing it. I also appreciated that he is probably the hardest working guy in MMA. (I also like him for calling out DW on the dolls issue, getting cut and then immeduiately re-instated, but I digress)
I also get bored watching Garcia and the Korean Zombie throw haymakers that won’t KO the other guy by round 3 in a fight that could easily have been at the local toughman event. I hate when Dan Hardy crticizes a discipline, in whihch he has very little skill, becuase it is going to get him page hits and notoriety. I alos hate when Nate Marquardt, who just got owned at this discipline, stands up for wrestling and tries to get notoriety when he should listen to his own advice.
I guess my point of this little rant is that there are two sides to every coin and I will always play devil’s advocate and agree with bits of each one. :)
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
I agree, Ulf, although I respect Marquardt whether I agree with him or not, for making that statement about wrestling because I’m sure he’s aware that he got totally dominated due to the same reason. If anything it makes him seem more genuine because he got dominated just as bad, if not worse, than Hardy did, due to wrestling, and he’s not making excuses for the loss by easily agreeing with everything Hardy said. He could have easily jumped on the same argument as Hardy to soften the blow he took to his own ego after the Chael fight.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
See below Jack. I was posting the same thing you did, you just beat me by 20 seconds lol
Whens the sig rubber match David W-S? I need vengeance!
Shogun Rua vs Rogerio Nogueira 2 coming soon!
LATE TAKEDOWN FTW
by Synyster_08 on Sep 14, 2010 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
haha, well at least you said it better :)
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
I agree with that, but I am starting to dislike the "journalism" in these quotes.
Why was it not Brock or Sonnen or GSP that was asked the questions?
It was Nate because he is fighting tomorrow. While I appreciate him giving an honest answer (as I would’ve expected), these guys really need to start thinking about hw this creates the “pro-wrestling” persona’s that have been developing over the last few years and especially the last few events.
I am actually starting to wonder why Condit has not been available to rebutt Hardy…maybe he is too quiet at Grudge/Jackson’s, and that is why Nate spoke up.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
ULF Murphy...
It was a contract based on Fitch’s likeness used with no compensation,, (UFC Video Games)… Hardy was specifically refering to the LENTZ VS WINNER Fight. Mania just took the quote that was posted everywhere else and it made Hardy look like he was bashing GSP. Hardy WASNT BASHING GSP. Some of you guys only read Mania… I understand that, I just ‘happen’ to read the interview that Hardy gave and it DID NOT INCLUDE ANYTHING ABOUT GSP.
I dont see why you hatin on Nate.
He could very well take up shop right beside Hardy because he just got owned due to wrestling, just like Dan Hardy. Instead, he’s backing it up, and at least he realizes it as a necessity and isn’t holding a grudge against it, or the fact that he was basically held down for 3 rounds.
I agree with everything else though. Especially Garcia and KZ (Garcia, more-so). His whole strategy of throwing from the hip and nearly falling over from sheer momentum always gets me shaking my head. He may have power, but his technique isn’t any better than Jardine. Not to mention, he hardly ever connects with that killshot that he always goes for.
I actually like watching Fitch fight. It isn’t the most exciting thing in the world, but his level of grappling is so far above anyone NOT named GSP, that is just cool to watch for me. There is hardly a guy he has fought that he hasn’t been able to slam and maintain control, consistently pass guard, and keep from getting swept or put on his back.
Whens the sig rubber match David W-S? I need vengeance!
Shogun Rua vs Rogerio Nogueira 2 coming soon!
LATE TAKEDOWN FTW
by Synyster_08 on Sep 14, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Shouldn't have said "hate"
I don’t truly hate anything MMA (unless BJ is involved)
I just don’t get why he is the “CHAMPION” of this cause…what angle does this create for the UFC? none, that I can figure.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
i wasn't taking "hate" out of context. i know what you mean.
Whens the sig rubber match David W-S? I need vengeance!
Shogun Rua vs Rogerio Nogueira 2 coming soon!
LATE TAKEDOWN FTW
by Synyster_08 on Sep 14, 2010 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Whilst I agree with most of what you said here's what I disagree with
I don’t understand your disapproval or why you are perplexed that Nate was asked this question. He was asked the question BECAUSE he’s fighting tomorrow because he’s readily available to the media because of the coverage for the fight tomorrow. I don’t see how that is a problem. I also assume they’re asking him this question BECAUSE he was dominated by a wrestler in a similar fashion. I’m sure the thought was that he was going to agree with Hardy. Nate is a pretty intelligent and stand up, honest guy so his opinion carries a little weight. The fact that he disagreed and basically said, “man up and learn up…you don’t see me bitching, just training” makes me respect him a bit more. Truthfully, it may be bullshit talk for the cameras but it was IN FRONT of the cameras that he said he has holes in his game too that he’s working on. If you as GSP about Hardy you’re going to get a completely PC answer. If you ask Anderson about Hardy you’re not going to get an answer at all. If you ask Brock this question…well shit, I never know what the hell Brock is going to say lol. Besides, you really don’t see too many inteverviews with Brock…he’s not accessible I don’t think. And Chael, well then people would be bitching cause they’d be saying that Chael would be bitching and being too “pro wrestling like”. I like that they asked someone lowkey but popular and honest and intelligent the question. And good answer by him too.
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
It feels too spoon fed for me, like most of the quotes that cause controversy these days...
In the end, it is the product that will get more fans, not the controversy.
Everbody tried new coke when it came out because of the hype…everybody now drinks coke classic because new coke sucked.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
when did new coke come out
And what was it like? I don’t remember
Activia; now with bullshitifus ridicularus
by salamagogo on Sep 14, 2010 1:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Thank you for proving my point...
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
I was talking to someone about this the other day
they had no clue either. The ad campaign was the new age computer coke guy wasn’t it?
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
It came out during the 80's. People began to hate on it immediately because they changed the formula and removed sugar from the Coke.
They added corn syrup which is what they have today. however I am seeing a trend of organic soda which is simply Coke or Sierra mist making soda with sugar the way its suppose to be.
I've got something to say; it better to burn in hell than to fade away!!!
I tried a six-pack of organic root beer a few weeks ago...
tasted like dirt covered licorice. nasty stuff.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
same here
minus the root part. No bueno.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
we aren't friends anymore
Hate BJ. GD sig is only on here for a few more days thankfully.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
Thank God...
cause its been hurting me not to be able to acknowledge you because of that sig lol
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
It is good to know that I am not the only one hurt by it
3 weeks- it’s been painful.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
I was never friends with a BJ nuthugger...
I just live by Sun Tzu’s creed. ;)
jk
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
true enough. You are an internet stranger, but I thought we had a moment Ulf (no homo). I guess I will have to make some new friends.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
lol, I am kidding.
honestly, this whole forum/blog/internet thing is strange to me.
I didn’t understand a buddy of mine who moved to Alaska based upon a recommendation of a guy he met on a gun forum that helped him get a great job there. It seemed random as hell to me that you could trust someone who you never looked in the eye, but after spending some time on Mania, I see myself going to the next “mania event” and talking to you schmucks like we are long lost friends. Weird. (no homo)
And yes, Deuce02, I hold you in high regard. (no homo, again)
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
Ha
I tend to share your feelings about the internets. Most of us represent our true feelings in regards to a smorgasbord of topics on here, so you can get a pretty good feel for who you would get along with and who you wouldn’t. It is how things go these days, more and more people marrying after meeting on some dating site, more and more people having only facebook interactions with people. Personally, I only have 1 friend in real life that knows mma like the regulars on here, so this forum is a great place for me to just have a good conversation. I have been trying to get my friend to create an account on here, but to this day he only reads and won’t post. He sees the addictive nature of this beast and wants to keep his job I think. Not all of us can lucky enough to spend the time we do on here.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
Just a side note
Does anyone think that Hardy actually wrote that blog himself? That was way too articulate. He was sitting beside someone editing and helping him with the big words.
"I'm sorry about my performance tonight... I had sand in my vagina."
-Forrest Griffin
Agreed
We cannot all be lucky enough to have flex schedules (like I have). I get a deadline and must meet it. Doesn’t matter when that happens.
Funny thing about my friends that like MMA…used to be we had the “same” knowledge base…now I can hardly talk to them anymore because they do not follow like I do. We just watch the fights together now. ;)
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
same
I get paid based on what gets done, not how many hours it took me to do it.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
lol..."internets"
“its a series of tubes”
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
THE PRIDE RULES SHOULD BE ADAPTED
I agree with others who say the take downs should only be worth something in the eyes of the judges if damage is then inflicted.
If the take downs are just to take down or run the clock or stop a potential striking exchange/ damage from an opponent then POINTS SHOULD BE DEDUCTED.
That will stop the lay and pray.
Totally Agree
Takedowns shouldn’t score points, unless it’s a slam. Takedowns should only be a way for wrestlers to take the fight into their realm, but not a means for scoring points in and of itself.
The refs should also start standing guys up who take more than 10-15 seconds (estimating here) to either throw a punch while on the ground. You can say that’s not fair, but the customer is always right, and the customer doesn’t want to see a grappling match.
'It is what it is.' = worst saying ever
Agree with everything except for standups.
If there is anything i hate in MMA it’s standups. That’s interefering with the natural course of a fight. It’s not the refs job to help fighters or expedite the match or any of that. He’s there to make sure that they follow the rules and that it’s stopped appropriately when one guy is in danger. Look at the WEC….I would wager the proportion of wrestlers to other fighters is a lot higher yet boring fights are rare. It’s not the wrestling…..it’s the particular fighter. So in conclusion yes to PRIDE Rules, No to giving points for takedowns and No to more ref involvement (Those idiots can barely handle their jobs as it is, more is just too much).
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 14, 2010 12:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
yes to PRIDE Rules,
you and I both know that soccer kicks and knees to a downed opponent’s head will never fly in the US, which is why they were removed in the first place. I agree that yellow cards should be given, when waaranted, but that is the only Pride rule I would add to the US rules.
Takedowns have to give points. It shows aggression and octagon control. BUT, the TD should be offset if the guy gets up without damage or the TD leads to a stall. It should be a wash in these cases and alot of times it is not scored that way.
I also believe that submission attempts from the bottom should be scored the same way. Reversals and sub attempts scored equal to the offensive attempt.
One of the items kicking around in my head is a 3 second rule like basketball. If a guy goes for a TD, gets nullified for say 5 seconds (think Munoz/Okami) then the fighters are broken up and started again. Or if a guy gets a TD and does not improve position or throw a punch for 5 seconds, the guys get stood back up.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
I completely, 100% disagree and HATE the idea of "10 seconds without a punch and you get stood up"
Shit man, Guys like Demian Maia and Shinya Aoki FEED off being on the bottom. Not to target you Ulf, but rather that guy Mahde, but you all are trying to make this K-1 with punching on the ground. There are very few instances where a guy gets a submission in under 10 seconds on the ground. They need time to work. Maybe im in a minority here, but I DO pay to see a fucking grappling match, along with a clinch match, wrestling match, striking match. If people just want to see K-1 with tiny ass gloves and a UFC logo then they’re shit outta luck.
Whens the sig rubber match David W-S? I need vengeance!
Shogun Rua vs Rogerio Nogueira 2 coming soon!
LATE TAKEDOWN FTW
by Synyster_08 on Sep 14, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I didnt say they don't get time.
I said “IMPROVE POSITION”…
All good BJJ practitioners constantly improve their position. Maia and Aoki (two of my favorites) never stay still. This is not what I am talking about.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
im talking about working from guard. theres only so much you can do to "improve position"
if a guy is trying to work for a triangle, he’s holding the back of the guys head, using wrist control, things that does’nt look to be improving.
Whens the sig rubber match David W-S? I need vengeance!
Shogun Rua vs Rogerio Nogueira 2 coming soon!
LATE TAKEDOWN FTW
by Synyster_08 on Sep 14, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
But if he has an arm trapped...
That is dominant position, not equal position and has no grounds for a change IMO.
Maybe I didn’t expound enough upon my idea…stopping a fight when a guy has a triangle almost complet would be worse than standing guys up when they have the mount. I like grappling, but the boring wrestling needs a change, just not sire how and am throwing ideas out there to form an opinion of how to do it.
I gotta go get something to eata, but will be abck in a bit
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
well i agree with you ulf.
but give more time than 10 secs, more like 24 secs (shot clock in nba)
Zlatan Ibrahimovic !
I think the judging is whats killing it.
Nik Lentz did NOT win the fight. As Jay says below, he shoudn’t be awarded the victory for trying for a takedown. Sure, that may show aggression, but if he cannot complete the takedown, then doesn’t Andre Winner get points for having more “effective grappling”?
As far as the ground grappling, theres not much that can be done, besides working to get to your feet. If you suck at getting up, but you’re great on the feet, then I guess you should work on sweeps more than your punches.
Whens the sig rubber match David W-S? I need vengeance!
Shogun Rua vs Rogerio Nogueira 2 coming soon!
LATE TAKEDOWN FTW
agree that stuffs don't count for nearly enough
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
I don't care for Hardy but.......
All he said was that “holding” a guy down is not fighting. He didn’t slam wrestling in general. I agree that the way Rashad ran the clock out against Rampage by doing basically nothing but take-downs, really aggravated me.
If you are a Page fan, you should have more respect for Rashad.
They said Rashad would not be strong enough to take Page down, and that Page had the superior wrestling skills and would easily dominate Rashad if by some miracle it happened to go to the ground. You should be impressed with Rashad doing all the things you thought he wouldnt be able to do.
rampage lost against himself that fight, just like thiago silva did.
they both tried to finish Rashad and were 1 good shot away when they had him rocked. What did Rashad do? stopped Rampage and Thiago from knocking him out, but didn’t do anything significant himself. The punch in the first 10 secs against Rampage was the only highlight for Rashad in 30 minutes.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic !
but what did Rampage do to win?
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
rashad did a good job at stopping him without mounting any good offense himself, so Rampage couldn't really do much
If Rashad played soccer or say hockey he would be a defenseman, in other words someone who leaves it up to the attacker to beat him while he’s trying to hold him away.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic !
I would agree with that. Maybe with the distinction that Rashad is like someone like Vidic. Solid defense but can occasionally score on a set piece, ala Chuck Liddell or Sean Salmon.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
good analogy
Whens the sig rubber match David W-S? I need vengeance!
Shogun Rua vs Rogerio Nogueira 2 coming soon!
LATE TAKEDOWN FTW
Rashad definitely won according to the rules, but he didn’t conquer Rampage, he merely held the beast at bay. With two more rounds in the fight, we just as easily could have seen Rashad laid out cold on the canvas or Rampage held down till the final bell.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
Rampage also lost because he couldn't aim right
When he knocked Rashad to the ground in the third he threw three straight punches on a floored Rashad and missed all of them. He hit canvas and it let Rashad get it together agian.
I've got something to say; it better to burn in hell than to fade away!!!
dan is the man and tells it like it is
the judges need to be just like the ones who were watching the Daley vs Masvidal match. Takedowns but doing nothing doesnt get you points
'BOOM RIGHT ELBOW! BOOM RIGHT STRAIGHT!! MAYBE NOW THE HEADBUTT COMES!! KNEE TO THE FACE!!! SMACK HIS FACE!!!' - Bas Rutten
Twitter: Beardy_Langford
by Rampagelangford on Sep 14, 2010 10:54 AM EDT reply actions
I must agree
I’m not a hater of Fitch or GSP. I think both of them is using wrestling as their mainweapon, but both guys stay busy all the time. They either go for transition or GnP. They don’t seem to stop their opponents to often, but at least they are trying. Guys like Lentz who just hughs the other dude for 15 minuts doesn’t deserve to win and doesn’t deserve airtime. It’s a disgrace for the sport.
May be the first time I have agreed with Hardy
That fight was bad.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
+2
"They say the only way to kill a lion is with a rear naked choke. I would just kick it in the head." - Bas Rutten
"Liver, liver, liver, now get drunk" - Bas Rutten
My Fav. Fighters List :)
1 - Alistair Overeem
2 - Wanderlei Silva
3 - Mauricio Rua
4 - Fedor Emelianenko
5 - Gegard Mousasi
6 - Dan Henderson
7 - Takanori Gomi
8 - Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipović
9 - Dan Hardy
10 - Kazushi Sakuraba
‘Damn! This fight is so awesome! He’s holding the hell out of him!’
Haha Hardy is funny, if only he would be a good fighter also.
BJ Penn is the biggest waste of talent in MMA history. Like usual, my pick was wrong and I blame a certain pudgy Hawaiin for my own short comings when it comes to talent selection. As it stands BZ – 3 Freenow82 – 1.
yeah hardy aint good at all
just fought the p4p #1 fighter in the world for the belt and took it to a decision.
he must be terrible.
by Lester The Pimp on Sep 14, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
glad you agree.
BJ Penn is the biggest waste of talent in MMA history. Like usual, my pick was wrong and I blame a certain pudgy Hawaiin for my own short comings when it comes to talent selection. As it stands BZ – 3 Freenow82 – 1.
lol
Whens the sig rubber match David W-S? I need vengeance!
Shogun Rua vs Rogerio Nogueira 2 coming soon!
LATE TAKEDOWN FTW
by Synyster_08 on Sep 14, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions
That had nothing to do with Hardy being good
that had more to do with GSP not wanting to finish. That armbar was defended well but GSP still could have/should have finished it.
Probably thought Hardy was too handsome to have a broken arm.
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
HAHHA
Probably thought Hardy was too handsome to have a broken arm.
Comment of the week nomination coming.
BJ Penn is the biggest waste of talent in MMA history. Like usual, my pick was wrong and I blame a certain pudgy Hawaiin for my own short comings when it comes to talent selection. As it stands BZ – 3 Freenow82 – 1.
Hardy is a very intelligent and articulate guy, but he really got propelled ahead of the others with that title shot, so it’s understandable many people aren’t convinced at this point. He has potential, but he’s really only in the spotlight because he jumped the pack with the GSP title shot.
I actually really like him, but we really haven’t seen enough of him to be altogether convinced he’s as good as the hype has made him out to be. Either way, he’s an interesting fighter and there are many decent match-ups for him which I look forward to seeing.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
good summary
agree with all of this.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
Hardy' had his 5 minutes of fame, he'll get no more
He was VERY well shielded from anyone remotely dangerous who would exploit his awful gg, (hell even journeyman brawler Marcus davis exposed gaping holes in it) to manufacture a UK title shot.
No way would hardy be able to do a thing against Fitch, Kos or Shields other than stare at the lights for 15. He’d get destroyed on his feet by Alves. Personally think he’d struggle against Kampmann, Hughes, Paulo Thiago and Lyttle too. He’s definitely had his day.
everyone you named
deserved a title shot more than Hardy IMO.
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
Also please add...
Antonio McKee, Jon Fitch, Gray Maynard, Jake Shields, ad naseum. They may win their next ten fights but I don’t want to see it.
Minowaman forever
Yo, Antonio McKee
just finished a fight in gruesome fashion this past weekend. Strike him from the list.
* "Standing in the ring in whatever condition I'm in is my way of life."
* "I don't think the injury was the cause for my defeat, I lost being in 100% condition at fight day. It's possible that Santiago might have been injured as well, I lost because my best was insufficient, only mortifying thoughts remain now. I think I would've entered the ring even if I lost one of my legs, I'm a fighter who fights, not with technique, but with heart."
--Kazuo Misaki
Was going to add this, but
any extra love that McKee gets is ok by me. I am a huge fan, and now that he added hellbows to his repotoire (sp?), he is going to be even more fun to watch.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
i may be alone, but i wanna hear what Lentz has to say for himself and about Hardy
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by daniel worby on Sep 14, 2010 11:07 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
i do too
BJ Penn is the biggest waste of talent in MMA history. Like usual, my pick was wrong and I blame a certain pudgy Hawaiin for my own short comings when it comes to talent selection. As it stands BZ – 3 Freenow82 – 1.
He is over the whole ordeal, he just wants to hug it out.
I AM SOMETIMES BIASED - Get over it!!!!!!!
by ViolentMike on Sep 14, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nick Lentz
has a raging urge to tackle somebody right now
by theworldismine on Sep 14, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm glad hugging is affecting the figures...
It’s not just me then :) It’s shit and it’s not fighting, Winner is a good fighter and has a lot of potential but what can you do when someone only wants to dry hump your leg… Illegal elbow to the back of the neck? Actually I’d have no problem with that, I think you need to combat huggers with pure rage if you want to stop it. ;)
Thank YOU Dan is 100% correct
I am so glad after all these years of boring wrestlers there are voices speaking out.
Dan is right.
It was painful watching Mat hughes (among others) all those years.
It just isn’t impressive to watch a so called fighter get position and ride the clock.
They are usually wrestlers, although I remember Joe Moreira back in UFC 14 doing it. Painful!
As Junie once said “just another boring wrestler” !
I keep seeing Matt Hughes getting lumped into a group with the recent fighters like Fitch, AKA, Lentz, etc. Honestly though I never was disinterested in his fights. He was a wrestler that knew submissions very well and could transition with the best of them. He was always active. I agree with Hardy very much and think that is the cause for the drops in buy rates. If fighters won’t stay active (and actively attempting to fight, not just bounce and jab) then people will stop watching. A fan is still a fan even if they check the scores the next day, and if the fights are boring that’s all they’ll do. I do personally think takedowns should mean something point-wise, but maybe have a scaled scoring system where they are worth only so much. 30 seconds of good damage on the feet should beat 4 min 30 seconds of takedown with minimal activity/damage. Also, if they brought back knees and kicks to grounded opponents, you can guarantee less stalling.
by Steven Abbott on Sep 14, 2010 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions
I largely agree with the observation
But regarding Matt Hughes, in 52 fights, 10 have been won by decision. That means 80 percent were either submissions or ko/tko (some of them losses). Love or hate Matt Hughes, I don’t think you can put him in the category of “lay and pray” that fit many wrestlers.
by Hairybuddha on Sep 14, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly…Hughes was a fighter, not just a wrestler. I seriously was never bored by him because he always fought. He didn’t just use his wrestling for idle control. He was always trying to do damage or at least improve position to do more damage.
by Steven Abbott on Sep 14, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, that brings up a good point. I would like to see how Matt Hughes fairs in the wrestling against Fitch or Kos. I would think if they don’t dominate Matt in wrestling, they would both definitely have the edge in the striking, which I reckon would make the difference. Unless they totally surprised me and completely out-wrestled him.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
Hardy vs. Alves...
winner gains 15 lbs. (unless it’s Alves) and fights Marquardt. I can’t stand Hardy, but he’s right. The Carny’s performance was the worst I’ve seen in the UFC. If anything was worse, then it would be entertaining. Like, Kalib running while the Rock chased him… kind of funny. Carny dry humping Weiner up against the cage… hard to watch.
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are you referring to lentz when you say carny?
And if so…how did that nickname originate?
Activia; now with bullshitifus ridicularus
by salamagogo on Sep 14, 2010 12:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Carny...
He used to work in a traveling carnival and push little kids up against the ferris wheels. No, as far as I know, he was given the nickname from his teammates for looking like somebody who would work at a carnival.
formerly the original UFCAddict... back when mania used to keep score of how many comments we made. Currently ranked 22nd on UFC.com fantasy picks.
It hurt Andre Winner’s career.
A loss will do that to you. Maybe as his teammate Hardy should have helped him come in more prepared to win the fight, then his career wouldn’t have taken a knock. Or, you know, just come out afterwards and talk about how unfair it was that his buddy’s opponent didn’t elect to stand in front of Hardy’s guy’s biggest strength like a real man.
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Thank you Hardy
Does anyone, ANYONE disagree that takedowns are scored to high in the UFC? The game and the rules favor wrestlers for 4 reasons:
1.)Takedowns are are counted for too much, it is almost impossible to win a round if the other guy gets a couple takedowns even if he does nothing with it.
2.)You can’t elbow or strike the spine or back of the head (which is a reasonable rule) but would nullify a lot of wrestling and gives wrestlers an advantage when they press a guy on the fence and take their time to drag a guy down; he could slam the elbow into the spine repeatedly if not for the rule.
3.) You can’t knee a down opponent in the head (again a reasonable rule) but it takes away an easy escape from side control if you could just slam your knee into their head from bottom.
4.)With only 3 round it is easy if your ahead to dry hump your way to a UD while taking virtually no risks as Hardy said. See any Fitch fight.
I have to disagee with knees and kicks to downed opponents
being a reasonable rule. If anything it gives these lnp wrestlers things to worry. Otherwise it gives them tools to finish fights because they can knee which they control the opponent with their hands. I am always a big proponent of the rule.
Big Nog for Life
Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 14, 2010 11:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
LATE TAKEDOWN FTW!!!
Whens the sig rubber match David W-S? I need vengeance!
Shogun Rua vs Rogerio Nogueira 2 coming soon!
LATE TAKEDOWN FTW
by Synyster_08 on Sep 14, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Nooooo!!!!!!!
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Inventor/supporter of "Gleison Tibau to Featherweight" movement.
by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Sep 14, 2010 1:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I agree. I think the main problem is that takedowns, on their own, are seen as too important, as though they are as important as a solidly landed punch. It’s an entry move, meaning that it is an advantageous move which leads to something which is potentially better and higher point scoring. But unless something is done with it, it’s just stalling. The move on its own is justified in that it leads to better options, but is not a complete, winning move on its own.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
I dont think the rules do favour wrestlers
Every fight starts on the feet at opposite ends which favours the striker. If a striker is ineffective standing or running away and inflicting no damage (Bizzzzbing), the standup fighter isn’t penalised with a stint on the ground, like a wrestler is penalised for inactivity with a standup.
I agree,
the Lentz fight was pretty bad to watch. The facts are that Wiener is a striker that cant nulify a wrestlers ability, for Nick to stand up and get KO’D is just a bad game plan. Wiener had nothing for him and thats the facts. Its also funny that he trashed Nate for being friends with GSP but he did the exact same thing by trashing Lents for dominating one of his friends. I Liked Hardy for about f minutes now he needs to shut his mouth and fight! If I were Dana I would promptly throw Dan in there against a pure wrestler just to shut him up! I would love to see this clown on his back trying to get up for 15 minutes.
TRust me Dan,
Im a fan of MMA JJ ground fighting and cant stand clowns like you, Marcus Davis, Paul Daley and every other one dimensional fighters that loses and whines about it. I dont think its boring but then again I get the concept of MMA, try talking to the fans. Everyone lkikes to see you get your ass kicked.
Ok Heel - like many others you go on about "1 dimensional" strikers.
This is EXACTLY the same as your 1 dimensional Wrestlers. In the Lentz/Winner fight Winner DID deal with the wrestling, I don’t think he was taken down until the third round (where no damage was inflicted) but he DID defend the TD for two whole rounds very effectively, getting off the odd strike inbetween – all Lentz wanted to do was hump leg, that’s what people don’t like watching (and why the figures actually went down) – it’s not remotely skilful either. People who don’t like watching manhumping are always labelled as MMA Morons or whatever because they are “un-educated”, well this isn’t about chess match style ground games – Paulhares and Sotiropulis show brilliantly how the ground game should be done, guys who are content to hold or lay on someone without risk by posturing for a strike or sub are bad for the sport full stop.
I think Winner should have won at least two of those rounds
He outstruck Lentz 9-1. You shouldn’t win a fight without throwing a single fucking punch. I’d like to see Lentz knocked out SOON. That fight was absolute garbage.
jay.
I'm at work, pal.
I won’t be able to check mail until late tonight because I have baseball right after work. I’ve been working on something I’d like to talk to you about as well..
I have a different e-mail address too, so I am going to give it to you tonight so I can get off my wife’s e-mail (it will be one less site I have to visit)..
jay.
But that is another problem.Winner showed resilient takedown defense, but it seems that when Lentz wasted all that time doing nothing and holding Winner against the cage in a stalemate, Lentz, accordiing to the rules, due to Octagon aggression or what not, gets the points. Whereas in a fight, I see that also as a win for Winner for stuffing the takedown and not letting Lentz do anything.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
Im not arguing the fact that Lentz did nothing in that fight, it was a bad fight!
That said Wiener had no answer, he could do nothing and now Hardy is blasting wrestlers again, Im a fan and I want to see guys on the ground trying for subs and laying down some GnP. I hate listening to Dan talk, he is like BJ Penn. When he loses there is an excuse, when he gets beat by a ground guy, he complains about not standing. Its a joke and I catn wait to see Dan get his ass kicked again. If he and any one of these other stanup guys that complain everytime they lose want the belt they are going to have to get a little more well rounded to fight the top level guys. Is there any pure strikers that are holding a title in the UFC right now? Besides AS who is also a BB in JJ, he is well rounded, he can defend against a take down and keep the fight standing if he wants. Its the differance between him and all the wanna be’s like Dan Hardy out there that are only well rounded in trash talking and complaining!!!!
You won't have long to wait to see Hardy get his ass beat
Condit is gonna lay a whooping on this boy.
jay.
I wholeheartedly agree
Not only does BJ Penn quit on his stool versus guys that are bigger than him...He gets tooled by guys that are SMALLER than him. BJ should just stick to jumping out of pools, not fighting. I shoulda listened to Ulf.
Hardy
I hate Hardy, but I agree with him. Wrestling is both good and bad. If a wrestler is always trying to advance and do submissions or end the fight via GnP then that’s awesome, but the hold and hump method needs to be nipped in the bud. and constant take downs with nothing to show for it needs to be way less valuable.
Agree with Hardy on MANY POINTS
But more importantly if you think Hardy is complaining about wrestling as a discipline or wrestling in MMA, READ HIS ENTIRE STATEMENT.
Hardy : “Fans are not excited when wrestlers are stalling.”
Commenters: Hardy is complaining about wrestling. Chael Sonnen and GSP are very active when they take their opponents down.
Hardy: “Did you even pay attention to what I said, watched Nick Lentz fight or did you just hear the word wrestling?”
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VEe is ANIMated!
Don't blame the fighter blame the rules
I see MMA as way to determine the superior fighter. When an opponent faces someone that is very skilled in BJJ they either wakeup wondering what happened, give up, or have a very sore limb(s). When they face a dominate striker (even if it goes to the judges) they wake up the next morning (normal in the hospital) understanding that they lost the fight. When they face a wrestler, they hear the decision and immediately say, I am still the better fighter. My point is, out wrestling someone for 15 or 25 minutes doesn’t make them the better fighter, it makes them better at the sport of mixed martial arts. This obviously isn’t news to anyone here but I personally would much rather see a change to the scoring system so that it reflects who would have won the fight if there was no time limit, instead of the fighters having to adapt to being "good at the sport". No matter what happens these fighters have got to work on their wrestling! It’s like a striker being upset in UFC 4 that they got submitted by Royce, I mean they had to have know that was coming….
You summed it up well with “don’t blame the fighter blame the rules.” One could not expect Fitch to change his gameplan when it is so successful. If anything I admire him for sticking to it the way he wants it despite the criticism he receives. But, by the same token, I don’t blame people for being bored or disappointed by the repetitive nature of his fights.
"THIS IS THE GREATEST UPSET IN THE HISTORY OF MIXED MARTIAL ARTS!"
Gus Johnson will never live that down and it should never be forgotten.
I agree with Dan. He not complaining about wrestling he's complaining about LnP.
Wuts wrong with that? People always say 1 dimensional Dan shud learns sum TDD, how bout the 1 dimensional LnP werestkers learn sum MMA! I have no prob w/sum1 getting a take down & pounding him, choking, trying 2 tear limbs off. That’s great! Riding out a position 2 win a round is not wut the sport needs.
by d*locc on Sep 14, 2010 1:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
His talking bout his team mates jay.
Dayley vs. Kos was LnP at it’s finest. Lent vs. Winner even tho I didn’t see heard it horrible. It’s becoming a trend.
by d*locc on Sep 14, 2010 2:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
daley let his fists do the talking for them after the fight
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by robinhorobson on Sep 14, 2010 5:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Sorry, is Dan Hardy saying something, la la la la, I cant hear you, you self righteous prick
Does he actually have personality in UK? He thinks hes cool becasue he trained in China and has a hair style from thirty years ago, lame….oh
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