Fan's choice: Anderson Silva's next opponent should be ...
by Jesse Holland on Aug 9, 2010 2:33 PM EDT
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Hey Jess, off topic, but if you're gonna do Pro MMA radio today ask Pep who that mexican was that does that Sonnen impression.
Mongol General: What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
by O damn he got caught on Aug 9, 2010 2:35 PM EDT reply actions
I know I am a hypocrite
B/c I was bitching about Vitor getting a shot in a division he hasn’t fought in (for the UFC). But, Okami just doesn’t interest me. Wins against Lucio Linhares and Mark Munoz shouldn’t get your name into the title discussion. Yes, Okami should have gotten a shot a long time ago, but that doesn’t mean he should get one now. I am not interested in instant rematches unless someone loses via close decision, cut, or DQ.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
instant rematch for me
favourite fight for a long time just on the fact it surprised the hell out of .plus i want to see if the rib injury was a big part of it.that has threw the fight even more up in the air imo and only a rematch will tell us that.put okami vs belfort in a no.1 contenders match
"whats the difference if Bruce Springsteen is his shidoshi?"
I hate to say it... but not really. It's a circumstantial decision to chose Sonnen with me.
"You stay classey, San Diego!" Bones post Janitor beat down at UFCVersus2
Who's next?
Had to cast my vote for Vitor
I think Sonnen could justify a rematch with just one win, but in the mean time I wanna see Belfort and Silva go toe to toe. And if Vitor doesn’t get Anderson then I wanna see Vitor vs Wand 2
Mongol General: What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
by O damn he got caught on Aug 9, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Give Anderson Vitor and give Sonnen a rematch with Maia.
And he can go away after he gets tapped again. Then maybe he will train some jits instead of bragging that he doesn’t.
I'm always right, even when I'm wrong.
by BNF on Aug 9, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions
That makes no sense.
He schooled Silva for the entire fight and lost to a quick sub.
A submission was the ONLY chance Silva had to win that fight because he sure wasn’t getting anywhere striking.
And you want to see him go away?
I’d rather see them fight again.
by K S on Aug 9, 2010 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
he loses to everyone with jits
His sub defense is a big hole in his game.
Jon Jones LHW Champion 2011
or we live in a place called 'reality'.
The only reason i can think of.
Think harder. Or try reading.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
I'm with you.
I cannot fathom how some just don’t want to see this fight again. Putting favorites aside, that was one hell of a fight. Why not watch it again?
belfort
but not because sonnen couldnt get the job done.
My P4P Top 5:
1) GSP 2) Aldo 3) A. Silva 4)Shogun 5) Fedor
chael did great BUT
He most definitely will not do so again Anderson was injured and wasnt taken him seriously the first round as you saw in round two he woke up(not that it helped). I don’t see Chael doing so good again im 99.9%sure that if they fight again Silva will TKO Chael in the first.
Give Vitor the damn shot if it was Vitor punching Silva in the face he wouldnt have been ‘rocked’ he wouldve been ‘asleep’.
It was a great fight there is no question about that but this was not Shogun vs Machida where Machida clearly lost and was given a win, this was Chael doing awesome and then losing via sub. Put Chael against Palhares or Leben or winner of Bisping&Sexyama.
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Chael vs Maia would actually be nice to see again
If you dont like drugs then dont do them.....give them to me!
by Khaos_Warrior on Aug 9, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Chael (when fresh) did a great job trading strikes with Silva
Watch the fight video again
Sonnen was mixing punching with his leg strikes just enough to get in range for the take downs.
I know this is hard for Silva huggers to believe, but perhaps it wasn’t all because of the rib injury that the fight went the way it did.
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Aug 9, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
sonnen wins the rematch handidly
when ur able to dominate someone the way chael dominated anderson, there’s no getting past that. just like we saw with page n chuck in their 2 fights. i could tell after the first fight that there was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING chuck could do to page and everyone n their brothers just knew chuck would win the 2nd fight! No Way!! a person u manhandle will never be able to beat u. just think about it guys, if u beat someone that easily, do u think the guys got a chance in hell the 2nd go around?! i certainly don’t!
I don't like you tarnishing the good name of Deuce on here
Sonnen wins handidly, really? so you think he just caught? Have you seen Chael Sonnen fight before? He always does this.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
I gave Sonnen a chance based on his manhandling and schooling
of Nate Marquardt and Yushin Okami. Are you Silva fans so blinded by your love for this guy that you completely ignored those wins. I thought they were very impressive, and it is because of those wins plus how he managed to do the same to Silva, including able to strike with him, that makes me believe he is more than capable of getting a win the next time round. I said before the fight those easy wins against jits guys and his easy win against Forrest would work against him, especially with the work and effort Sonnen put in against Nate and Okami. Silva will definitely take away a lot from this fight, but I getting a sub in the last two minutes of the fifth round after getting owned the entire fight ,does not make me believe he would get a definite win in a rematch, and apart from beating Franklin who is only half the fighter he was, I do not think any of Silvas last five wins in the UFC were that amazing and definitely not better than Sonnens last two wins. I have to agree with some, who say the only reason that you do not want to see Silva rematch a guy who gave him the best fight of his life and had everyone on the edge of their seat, and who also nearly got the victory is because you are scared he might lose. I actually do not care who wins or loses as long as it a good fight. These guys are only fighters, they are not your buddies or friends.
Randy manhandled Chuck their first fight then got smoked the last two. I aint trying to battle wit ya
Just making a point. You can lose to someone that you’ve already beat. Arloski-Sylvia.. Andrie smoked him in the first round then lost the next two to the very same guy….MMA math does’nt mean shit…you know that duece
I like bacon...and Rashad Evans is a pussy
Rib injury or not - Silva still won so I am sure that the Silva huggers are quite pleased today.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Aug 9, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
that rib injury was during the fight wasnt it? silva was at xgames the week before the fight and looked just fine to me, sonnen just put a beating on him and he needed an excuse just like the heel hook loss to chonan “i had a broken ankle going into the fight” you sure chonan didnt break that for you bro? come on all his bad fights he has an excuse for he’s starting to be like bj penn he had one for leites and maia as well
made a bet on mmamania.com with mma guru roy nelson vs junior dos santons, i got roy nelson
by randy murders on Aug 10, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Injured allegedly you mean....
The injury is just Anderson trying to maintain his shine, but chael beat the shine off him. Even Vitor now seems excited to fight silva!!! Face it silva nut huggers, thanks to the four rounds of striking and GNP beating that sonnen put on silva he will be much more beatable in the future. The injury is a lame excuse and probably lie
by Conan the Barbarian on Aug 9, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Iz conspearasy!
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
there is no fucking point in having 3 fucking title rematches in a row
we had shogun/machida…penn/edgar….there is no reason to have silva/chonnen….
why not go ahead and have brock/carwin 2 while you’re at it, carwin came WAYYYYY closer to finishing brock than sonnen came to finishing silva…..and was a WAYYYY better come from behind victory…silva was never in trouble of being finished…..
there is no reason for a rematch…..sonnen got TAPPED…he was FINISHED…..
shogun/machida was a controversial decision….bj/edgar was a close decision and bj was a dominate champ….
but sonnen WAS FUCKING FINISHED…therefore no rematch is warranted…..
the people who want a rematch are the same people who want a rematch when cung le got beat by scott smith….it isnt the outcome they wanted….so they want a “redo” and hope for a different outcome…
its about fans being sore losers….
face it….sonnen has NO SUB DEFENSE….
what andy accomplished is the same thing that happens in every sport..
its the same thing as kobe hitting a game winning 3 pointer at the buzzer
or a rod hitting a game winning hr at the bottom of the 9th
or drew brees throwing a game winning td on the last play of the game…
its called a come from behind victory..
and you know what the guys all have in common with andy?
they’re fucking world champs…just like silva
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
I agree with you there should be no immediate rematch but who else is really worthy to fight Silva right now?
and before someone says "yea well look what happened in the 2nd smith/le fight"
yea well heres the difference:
le can actually FINISH a fight…sonnen hasnt finished one in 3 years….
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
I agree no reason for this rematch none
Give Vitor the damn shot already even with ring rust he can still clubber Silva quickstyles. Chael should go avenge his loss to Maia or winner of Bisping/Sexy(especially if its Bisping which is highly unlikely of course).
If you dont like drugs then dont do them.....give them to me!
by Khaos_Warrior on Aug 9, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? How did Rampage do after a year out of the cage? How about Ortiz after back surgery? How about Shogun after ACL tear? What about Alves after brain drain? List goes on and on. You are talking about Silva, not some gatekeeper. Vitor needs to be at the top of his game for this fight.
brock came back, took the hardest shots from the heaviest hitter in the division and then tapped him....hows that for ring rust?
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
That guy is an anomally...
fine you got me on that one. But he’s a freak of nature, so I have to exclude him from the conversation.
You mean...
That guy is an anomally goes against my argument so I have to exlude him from the conversation.
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
Mongol General: What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
by O damn he got caught on Aug 9, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Mongol General: What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
by O damn he got caught on Aug 9, 2010 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
If Lesnar banging Sable (or whatever her real name is) isn’t clear proof that he is an anomally, then I don’t know what is
Mongol General: What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
by O damn he got caught on Aug 9, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Quitter..
Mongol General: What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
by O damn he got caught on Aug 9, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Mongol General: What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
by O damn he got caught on Aug 9, 2010 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't feel bad, Slim. We all get owned sooner or later. Funny stuff, guys.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Aug 9, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously?
It’s a case by case basis in my opinion. I agree that Shogun and Penn should not have been given immediate rematches, but in this instance, guaging who is ready and waiting in the wings, we have no one of suitable caliber to give Silva a run. The key word is ready, because although a case can be made that Vitor is not deserving, he most assuredly is not READY after almost a year out of the cage and surgery. So, that being the case, Okami looked like shit against Munoz, and Marquart and Maia are out. The Sonnen fight was incredible, and entertaining, so on that alone and the fact that there just isn’t anyone of suitable caliber, I say rematch now.
Who are you agreeing with?
Because he didnt say that Shogun shouldnt have had his rematch…..L2read? Shogun more then deserved the rematch considering he clearly won the first fight there was no end ifs or buts about it, it was fact he won and the judges which shouldnt have anything and i do mean anything to do with mma thought otherwise.
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by Khaos_Warrior on Aug 9, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh?
you agree that Shogun and Penn didn’t deserve an immediate rematch, but you think Sonnen should get one?
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
I don't agree with immediate rematches period, however..
I’ve suffered through enough weak opponents for Silva to last me a lifetime. I would much rather see Belfort, no doubt, but in this instance, I just see no choice but Sonnen. To me, makes the most sense in that he has proven he can bring the fight. After the shogun and penn losses, there were plenty of suitable opponents to fight Machida and Edgar without immediate rematch. This is a unique situation since this weight division is lacking the depth that the other divisions seem to have.
but the point
was that an immediate rematch only makes sense when there is a debatable decision, a dq, a cut or the like. It doesn’t make sense in this case because “almost” means absolutely nothing in mma.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
Why do rematches have to be based on a controversial decision? If they fought a hard competative fight and both guys laid it all on the line, let’s do it again! and in this case, quick! If Vitor was ready, I wouldn’t be arguing this point, but he isn’t and Okami just isn’t ready either.
by Slim473 on Aug 9, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am talking about instant rematches
Sonnen Tapped. We know what happened already. No need to see it again, yet.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
i say give a guy with at least a 1 win steak a title fight...and sonnen is on a 1 loss streak...and 4-4 in the ufc....he had his shot
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
agreed
I think the best scenario is have Maia and Sonnen rematch, if Sonnen is able to last without getting subbed (which to me would indicate that he won), then he should get the next shot.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
Absolutely
Much like Carwin, Sonnen should have to beat at least ONE contender to be considered for a title shot again.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
The difference is
NONE of those fights matched the round-by-round intensity and determination that this fight showed.
It was a great story where david/rocky nearly defeated goliath/Drago.
In the end the heart of a champion prevailed, but it also showed how much heart Sonnen showed.
It’s also a great show of “wrestling vs BJJ”.
Tons of side stories to go with an epic/all time MMA battle.
Why the fuck wouldn’t you want a chance to repeat that????
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Aug 9, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
When did I ever say that?
It would have been completely one sided, so you could make a case that he doesn’t, but because of his length and legend as champion, he would have deserved an immediate rematch (this goes for Fedor as well).
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Aug 9, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
my bad, wrong reply.
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Aug 9, 2010 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
not meant to u kris
i’m with ur opinion, i was responding to something hellahectic wrote above.
Hella - Truth.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
by OJR on Aug 9, 2010 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Wrong, when a fight is that exciting you need rematch.
Props to chael for making an AS fight exciting.
by Conan the Barbarian on Aug 9, 2010 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions
props to andy for once again exposing chael for his lack of sub defense...4 losses for sonnen in the ufc..all 4 losses are from subs...
sonnen is a one dimensional fighter and thats all he’ll ever be….he’ll never be champion…..if he rematches maia he’d still get tapped again…you think maia would just lay in his guard like that and take 300 punches? maia has already tooled him….and would do it again…
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
Wrong
When a guy has 23 minutes to finish, and can’t – and then gets finished in 5 seconds – you shouldn’t get a rematch. Earn yer way back up, bub.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
just noticing something here, but isn't it funny that all the silva fans say "NO REMATCH, PLEASE!!!!"
yall need to stop sounding like the idea is crazy, when it isn’t. it makes yall seem desperate.
by Conan the Barbarian on Aug 9, 2010 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions
i noticed that sonnen fans say "IMMEDIATE REMATCH"
duh… Also, I’m not a Silva fan. You’re assuming.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
sonnen dominated silva for four+ rounds... that shit never happens so he should get a rematch
i wasn’t a sonnen fan until he started backing up that epic mountain of shit he talked.
i am not excited about vitor v. silva. vitor was scared to fight silva before chael put a beating on him. they should fight each other, but then who is there really?? i say sonnen then vitor. vitor needs a tuneup anyway.
by Conan the Barbarian on Aug 10, 2010 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think doing well before losing should be the standard by which we declare immediate rematches a must.
Sonnen had his title shot, and he lost. Whether he lost in 30 seconds, a 5 round decision or in the last few minutes is irrelevant. Unless the outcome is disputed somehow (for example, Machida vs Rua 1), there really is no reason for a rematch.
It would be a bad, and silly, precedent to set that a guy will keep getting rematches until he finally wins. He had his chance, he lost. Now he has to climb back to the top the same as anyone else.
There are many examples of guys who were doing very well before losing (Carwin vs Lesnar, and any fight involving Big Nog come immediately to mind) – yet they didn’t get immediate rematches. People are letting their dislike of Silva cloud their judgement,
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
i believe the way you win and lose is VERY relevant.
i can’t remember the last time a challenger dominated for 4+ rounds and the champ pulled off a sub for the win.( the duration of onnen’s domination matters to me and i bet to most of the people that want to see the rematch) i can’t remember the last time i was interested in a silva fight or when anyone put a beating on him. vitor is an easy win for anderson imo, chael would probably beat him if they rematched.
i would rather see a guaranteed exciting AS fight then one against vitor or anyother opponent which could be a five fight dance off.
by Conan the Barbarian on Aug 10, 2010 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions
NO FUCKING REMATCH
For you people who are crying for an immediate rematch — on what basis? Because Sonnen didn’t win?
“Well, my guy didn’t win so I want an immediate rematch!”
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Has nothing to do with it...
I wanted Silva to win, but quite honestly as a fan I don’t give two shits. I want good, solid, entertaining fights. I’m tired of weak challengers to Silva’s crown. We finally get a good one, and you guys beat the drum about 1 win and then title shot. This isn’t the NFL playoffs. Give me the most entertaining and competative fight, not who’s next no matter what. Yea, send in Vitor with cage rust and straight out of surgery. Sounds like a great fight. Let him knock the rust off and schedule it when they are both ready to roll, not just because the name sounds better on the marquee.
Sonnen vs Silva, main event for the next ten years, or until Sonnen wins – whichever comes first.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Give me a break...
If that fight happens 10 times and is competative like that each time, I’ll watch it every time. I don’t care who wins.
lol
Well, thanks for admitting it anyway.
However, time is against you.
“if that fight happens 10 times and is NOT competitive ever again, you will still have watched it every time because: 1) It’s on, and 2) You will have no way to know if it’s competitive or not until afterwards.
Will Belfort vs Silva be competitive? or Okami? You don’t know.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
If Belfort is healthy and ready to roll, I would be jacked on that fight. I am not interested in Okami, he’s just straight up boring to watch. I don’t think Belfort has a chance in hell coming off surgery. Maybe against a lesser opponent, but not Silva. Paying my $54.95 (HD) I want the best fight. Honestly, I’d be happy either way, but Okami, no way.
Can some1 shoot me the results. They don't show up on my phone.
I voted for vitor! I know him & AS will have a gr8 fight.
by d*locc on Aug 9, 2010 3:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Who would you rather see Anderson Silva fight next?
42%
Chael Sonnen! Silva barely made it out of UFC 117 alive
533 votes
47%
Vitor Belfort! Sonnen had his chance and he couldn’t finish the job
599 votes
9%
Yushin Okami! Sonnen lost and Belfort has yet to win a fight in the middleweight division
123 votes
I'm Not Afraid of Dying, I'm a Little Bit Scared of What Comes After...
by SouthCaliStunNa on Aug 9, 2010 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The okami option is retarded
Vitor has fights at MW….
If you dont like drugs then dont do them.....give them to me!
by Khaos_Warrior on Aug 9, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Okami doesnt have fights at MW?
I'm Not Afraid of Dying, I'm a Little Bit Scared of What Comes After...
by SouthCaliStunNa on Aug 9, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
which he has won....
If you dont like drugs then dont do them.....give them to me!
by Khaos_Warrior on Aug 9, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
The only guys to beat Okami in the UFC are Rich Franklin and Sonnen...
And he’s only ever fought at MW since he’s been in the UFC….
Mongol General: What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
by O damn he got caught on Aug 9, 2010 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Only 9% for vitor !? Holy (expletive)
Chael did a gr8 job but I think shud be next unless he gets hurt again. Belfort has an awsome chance 2 knock Andy the f#ck out!
by d*locc on Aug 9, 2010 3:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
you apparently read it wrong, d.
Okami is at 9%, Vitor at 47% (and winning the poll)
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
...................................
u
read it
wrong…..
Mongol General: What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
by O damn he got caught on Aug 9, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
...................................
u
read it
wrong…..
Mongol General: What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
by O damn he got caught on Aug 9, 2010 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
the line isnt very deep tho
in not immediate hes 1 fight away.
I'm Not Afraid of Dying, I'm a Little Bit Scared of What Comes After...
by SouthCaliStunNa on Aug 9, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Unless he loses
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
I think people may be missing the point
Purely looking at this from Dana’s prespective, he has to at least be considering it. I personaly would love to see an immediate rematch, but have no problem with giving Vitor a shot either. However, (again looking at it from Dana’s viewpoint) look at the freakin buzz this whole debate is causing. A rematch would capitalize on all the hate and bitterness from either side. If I was going to announce a rematch, I’d do it fast, and start up the machine again.
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
ugh
oh god, the last thing we need is another 6 months of shit talking. I may retire from mma sites for a bit if that happens.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
Don't necessarily disagree there
But if hype is what Dana’s looking for it makes sense. There are plenty of reasons it may not make sense from a competitive standpoint, and all the oher reasons. But, It generally come down to what can they sell?
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
They can rematch after Vitor knocks Andy out
If you dont like drugs then dont do them.....give them to me!
by Khaos_Warrior on Aug 9, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
And then you woke up from your delusion. It was Sonnen's WRESTLING that put Silva in a bad way.
BelFART doesn’t have any wrestling in his skillset….
Although I want that rematch now...
I’m just happy to have two potential competative fights for Silva at 185. It’s been a long time since I was excvited about seeing him fight anyone. Kudos to Sonnen for bringing it and I am excited about a potential Vitor fight. I just don’t think Vitor is ready straight off surgery.
I want a rematch. It only makes sense. Yes Sonnen lost. but he beat silvas ass like noone ever has. he did everything he said he was going to do, except win. I think he has earned a rematch with his performance. I hate silva with a passion because he is not as good as all the nut huggers say. sonnen proved that silva is a dancer not a fighter. he should go join so you think you can dance. im sure hed do fine there. yushin okami….seriously? he should get a shot after beating munoz? ha i laugh at that. vitor? sure may be an exciting fight. but what has he done to earn it? he beat franklin at a catch weight. i really like franklin but he hasnt been the same since silva destroyed him both times. so i dont think that a win over him should launch you to a title shot. sonnen is the only answer to this problem. hes the only one that has posed a serious threat to silva. he showed that he will FIGHT silva. and i do not buy the broken ribs excuse. when he said that after the fight i thought i just got done watching a tito ortiz fight. give the fight to Sonnen and lets see if his masscre, although came up short, was a fluke or not
Mongol General: What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
by O damn he got caught on Aug 9, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I want a rematch. It only makes sense
No, it doesn’t.
Yes Sonnen lost. but he beat silvas ass like noone ever has.
And he lost. Technically, Damien Maia and Thales Leites lasted longer than Sonnen. He didn’t lose a close decision, there was no controversy – he LOST.
I hate silva with a passion because he is not as good as all the nut huggers say.
Thank you for proving my point that the people who want a rematch are just upset that their guy didn’t win.
As for the rest of your crap – if I wanted to look at that, I’d stare at my toilet bowl in an hour.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
by mythbuster on Aug 9, 2010 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
give belfort the next shot
and let sonnen fight wandy for the next number one contention spot, i really dont wanna see okami get his ass kicked by silva again, he got lucky silva illegally kicked him in the first fight. There really isn’t anybody else that can hang with silva except these 3 and maybe marquadt, but sonnen already destroyed him.
WANDERLEI?!?!?!
What decade are you living in where Wanderlei is in ANY title contention?
He is 2-3 in the UFC and 2-7 in his last 9 fights. And while his win over Jardine was nice, he beat Bisping by decision.
Wow, Wanderlei lol
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
He's on his way back
2 more wins and he’s a contender again.
Mongol General: What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
by O damn he got caught on Aug 9, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
or 1 big win against Vitor, Marquardt or Okami
Mongol General: What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
by O damn he got caught on Aug 9, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe
But he’ll have to beat a top name before getting a shot at one of those three (or should, anyway).
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
With a 2-7 in 9 record, getting two more wins may be asking a lot from him.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
And if I told you 4 days ago Chael Sonnen was going to completely dominate A. Silva for 4 rds
you’d have thought I was smoking crack..
Anything can happen =P
Mongol General: What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
by O damn he got caught on Aug 9, 2010 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
True lol
But Chael earned the shot. He wasn’t handed it as a gift.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Chuck's been KO'd 3 fights in a row
Wand actually won his last fight, he’s not decayed as far as Chuck yet.
Mongol General: What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
by O damn he got caught on Aug 9, 2010 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think so
I think he’s got a few more good fights left in him, especially after the win over Bisping he looked a lot better, nice leg trips, mixed up his kicks/punches, was more patient, had great conditioning, but everyone wants to downgrade Bisping and say the win means nothing. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Mongol General: What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
by O damn he got caught on Aug 9, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I give Bisping tons of credit, but Wandy won by decision. That says a lot about Wanderlei, not Bipsing. Wandy was KO god, eh?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
He's also lacked a lot of confidence and he was coming off his surgery and a long lay off
Now another lame lay off, but if he could get 2 in a row and not have to deal with ring rust he’d be fine.
Mongol General: What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
by O damn he got caught on Aug 9, 2010 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Hope so
I’d like to see the Wandy of old, but I fear the old Pride guys are just wasting away :(
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
They both have dimished skills. My gut is that Wand will have a hard time coming back from this injury and be effective again. I was being sarcastic, each time Chuck comes back, the saying is he’s one win away from a title shot.
They both have dimished skills
That is the part that I don’t agree with. They are not even in the same ballpark. You are just guessing with Wandy- we know this to be the case with Chuck.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
myth why dnt u pull silva junk out of your trunk for a second. the only reason you dnt want them to fight again is because you are on board the silva express with everybody else and you dnt want to see him lose. so stfu
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I’m talking about Wanderlei Silva. Not sure what you read.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
None the less two more wins and he may get a shot himself
Leben and Wandy will be wicked. Now as far Silva’s next fight I think either way as the poll shows fans want to see Belfort and fans want to see a rematch. I say Sonnen had his chance but because he came so close he only needs to win one fight to get another shot then we might get to see Silva face both anyways.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I agree
about Sonnen needing to beat at least one top contender before getting another title shot. I’m not real sure how “He came really close to a decision win, but got submitted” is cause for a rematch.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
its not cause for a rematch. but out of the tree he is the most deserving. yes he shld get another win before it happens. but so do the other 2. put sonnen/vitor to see who gets the shot.
When you lose a fight you should fall back
This is not like the BJ Penn rematch becasue Sonnen was not a long time defending champ, and this is not like the the Rua and Machida rematch that many believed Rua was robbed the first time,. Sonnen lost he has to go back a few spots in my opinion.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I don't think those are are choices
Either pick Sonnen or pick Vitor as the next Silva opponent no other options.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Sadly
I was looking at Sherdog, which is where he got this idea.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
but that does the opposite of legitimizing this crack head idea
I still think you give sonnen Maia. That is the best fight they can book right now for him. Silva gets Vitor, whether we all agree with it or not. Vitor was already promised his shot, he got hurt, and bowed out.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
let me explain
i dont think wandy would have achance lol but sonnen vs wandy would still be an interesting match up he still has that knockout power, and i think sonnen would win easy, this is just a setup match to give sonnen another chance without giving him an immediate rematch. Personally i think belfort deserves a shot before sonnen gets a second
how?
does he DESERVE a shot? he hasnt even fought atmw yet. you are retarded if u think he DESERVES it
One of the greatest fighters of all time, that has been in the most action packed fights out of any fighter in MMA history!
It’s retarded to say he doesn’t deserve it.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Also
Belfort is coming off a nice win streak, while Sonnen is coming off a loss.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
oh really
u stupid shit. so u wanna see okami get his ass beat again or marquadt or bisping, face it there is nobody else. and belfort has knocked out two top ten middleweights in the past 2 years. lindland and franklin. lindland was in affliction but its still a good enough resume for him to get a title shot
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"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
it was a catchweight
franklin was moving up and belfort was coming down so it counted for both of them at their different weight classes
the only “fair” thing to do is first of all take okami out of the question and secondly set up sonnen/vitor. give silva his time to heal those “broken ribs”. that would end the debate on who deserves it
Whaaaaaat is that?
Kinda disturbing, yet satisfying to the eyes at the same time.
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
haha
I don’t know what it is, but I like it.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
thats retarded
then the loser of that has to work his way up again to title contention. and idk about u but i do not wanna see okami fight silva. sonnen and belfort are the only 2 fighters that can give silva a run for his money
Marquardt?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
exactly
and thats how it should be. everybody is debating who deserves a shot at silva. have those 2 fight and theres your answer. and no i do not wnt to see okami thats y i said remove him from the equation
One of the great MMA fights of all time
Yet people still are balking at the idea of a rematch. Unbelievable.
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
This was one of the great MMA fights of all time?
What?
Was this the first fight you ever saw?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Did you actually see the fight?
Or even the weeks of build-up going into the fight?
As stated earlier, the reasons this fight was epic:
-the smack talk was great (over the top at times, but Chael does a great job of getting under people’s skin). He was like the anti-Silva. Loud, unabashed, full of shit, but above all, entertaining.
The fight itself was great.
Sonnen, being the heavy underdog, was actually able to back up most of what he said and dominate this fight through 4 and half rounds.
Stunning the world and challenging the legendary strike ability of Anderson Silva.
And all the time as seconds past, you could see that Silva was praying for one his submission attempts would work. Make no mistake, he was grabbing at Chaels wrist the entire fight and it wasn’t until a weary and perhaps dazed Sonnen was Anderson able to finish the triangle/arm bar attempt.
It was unbelievable seeing perhaps one of the great strikers be out struck by a wrestler. Perhaps he wasn’t beaten in the stand up game, but it was still shocking to see Sonnen do anything from there.
And the fact that Silva kept his composure and finish the fight added the greatness.
I would love of you to make a case of a fight you enjoyed more/thought was more epic instead of making the cheap backhanded insult.
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Aug 9, 2010 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets be honest
Except for the names and the outcome, we saw the same fight earlier on: Fitch vs Alves. We have seen the same fight from Shields, from GSP, from Clay Guida, from lots of fighters.
It was standard “wrestler controls his opponent and throws some punches that don’t do any damage”. Let’s not get carried away, ok?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
No way was it like 'Fitch vs Alves'
Sonnen did a shit ton more to inflict damage then what Fitch did.
All Fitch cares about is getting/maintaining position. Sonnen was hugely successful implementing a GnP gameplan. This was probably one of reasons he lost, where instead of taking the easy route and just play defense against the sub attempts during the final round, Sonnen was aggressive and got caught.
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Aug 9, 2010 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm willing to bet anyone else would've been a bloody mess
Silva just has that tough skin like BJ, they don’t cut easy.
Mongol General: What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
by O damn he got caught on Aug 9, 2010 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU PUT FITCH VS. ALVES THERE!
ARE YOU NUTS???
Fitch was BORRRRRRRRRRRRRRINNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGG!! All he was doing was Dry-Humping Alves into a Decision……
If anyone wanted to see “Dry-humping”, they’d go watch a gay porn or something….geez.
You say great fight
but you mention all this stupid shit about pre-fight smack talk and yadi yadi yadi. To many, sonnen was not that heavy of an underdog. If you looked at the betting lines, it was a lot closer than any fight since Forest. He did not stun me with his performance. Silva got taken down easily by Lutter and Marq, so this came as no surprise. What many of us thought (and what I predicted) was a gritty fight with Andy pulling off a sub. Many regulars on here posted these sentiments leading up to this. You talk like this was a K1 fight or something. Sonnen was able to hang on the feet due to the amazing wrestling abilities of sonnen, not because of Sonnen’s world class striking ability. Andy trained his wrestling with Munoz, who was owned all night by Okami, whom in turn was owned so much by Sonnen that he went to sonnen and trained with him after their fight. Fights that I enjoyed much more than this?
I can give you about 50
but how bout we start with just one…..
Chuck V Wand
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
You weren't surprised at all by how Silva was being struck?
"Deng is fired" - Neil Funk
by RogersPark Kris on Aug 9, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course I was surprised that Chael rocked him on the feet
but it was only due to the wrestling aspect that allowed him to do so. Andy was afraid of the takedown. I can’t blame him.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
I also think that Sonnen had a really good gameplan
by charging at him, not giving him time to set up (Andy usually likes to dance around for 1-2 minutes to get comfortable and get the dude timed). Sonnen fought a wrestlers fight, gritty. That is the blue print to beat a great striker (watch for Randy to employ this same gameplan on JT).
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
Wand vs Chuck
Frank Shamrock vs Tito Ortiz
Fedor vs Cro Cop
Mario Sperry vs Ninja Rua
Wand vs Hendo 1
Wand vs Cro Cop 1
some of my all time favs, but just cause of the fighters involved and exciting style of fight; for me the all out brawl between Chuck and Wand goes down as my personal favorite. I rewatched Frank Shamrock vs Tito last week and it’s an old one, but it still holds up, still a great fight, back when Frank was actually pretty damn amazing.
Mongol General: What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
by O damn he got caught on Aug 9, 2010 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
get then fact straight
those of us that are balking are balking at an immediate rematch. Immediate being the keyword. And I don’t see how you can say that was one of the great fights of all time. The supposed P4P king got his arse handed to him for almost 5 rounds, then gets a sub. I prefer battles, that was not it. Can I do the opposite of following you on twitter?
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
Am I the only one
that was torn during that fight?
I like the idea of Anderson Silva being “unstoppable”. It sort of builds a kind of mystique that a sport needs. On the other hand, I was so shocked by what I was watching, I found myself rooting for Sonnen. I’m Not sure if it was one of the most exciting fights of all time based on the actual fight itself, but it was certainly a feeling that I haven’t had in any of Andy’s fights before. I never once before thought he was in trouble until that fight.
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
I had all sorts of ups and downs prior to and during the fight. Up until this fight, I was bored to death with the Silva antics, no challenges, etc…then Sonnen came along, and for a bit I was amused by his comments, then he went on and on into overkill, so much that I wanted nothing more for Silva to lay a beatdown on him. Then during the fight, I gained respect for both guys. Each round went by and I could not believe what I was watching, thinking that Silva was still going to pull it off. Minutes went by and then out of nowhere the sub. I thought they both displayed a tremendous amount of respect for each other after the fight ended, and both were humbled respectively. Excellent fight, and maybe not one of the greatest of all time, it is up there for seeing a champion dig deep and win after being drilled for 4.5 rds. It was amazing to watch.
The way I see it, Anderson is like a great white being circle'd by a bunch of other smaller sharks
Now they smell blood; he’s gone from being feared to being hunted down now.
Mongol General: What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
by O damn he got caught on Aug 9, 2010 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Fair statement
Wether they can actually deliver or not is another thing, but geez, most guys are beat by Silva way before they ever step in the octagon. This may change that for the short term.
"Remember men, we are all winners in the eyes of Christ...except for the guy still bleeding on the canvass"
I wanted to see Silva get his ass kicked
and if it was against anyone else I would have wanted him to lose. But pre-fight talk I can’t stand Sonnen. So for me, it was best of both worlds – Silva got his ass beat, and Sonnen lost.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Okami vs winner of Marquardt/Palhares for #1 contender
Or just Yushin. He’s arguably as good a wrestler as Sonnen (I know Sonnen beat him, but Thunder has really improved since then) and has superior striking and sub defence.
Plus, he’s won as a UFC middleweight. Unlike Vitor.
That said, I’d love to see a rematch sometime soon. Give Sonnen the Maia/Miranda winner (ie Maia) or Chris Leben.
Anderson Silva will fall via brutal Republican dry-humping.
by Johnny WF on Aug 9, 2010 5:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Leben?
How did he get in the mix?
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
3 wins in a row
2 only a couple weeks apart, he’s at least up for a fight with a top guy that might get him a shot.
Mongol General: What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
by O damn he got caught on Aug 9, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think he'll get the shot
But he deserves the chance to try.
Mongol General: What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
by O damn he got caught on Aug 9, 2010 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
anyone who punches someone over 300 times and gets beaten doesnt deserve a rematch
there is no way in hell that someone who lands over 300 punches and STILL FUCKING LOSES deserves to EVER be considered for another shot at a championship EVER again…
if i layed down on the floor and let my 11 year old cousin punch me in the face 300 times as hard as he could id be in a coma…..no PROFESSIONALLY TRAINED fighter should EVER punch and elbow someone in the face over 300 fucking times and still allow his opponent to make him say “I GIVE UP, PLEASE NO MORE, THE PAIN IS TOO MUCH”…..that is fucking retarded….
if you cant beat a guy by punching him 300 times then you dont fucking DESERVE to be in a championship fight….
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by HellaHectic on Aug 9, 2010 8:03 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
While I don’t fully agree with you, rec’d for passion and original argument.
It could be said that if Sonnen really wanted to win, he would have tried to finish the fight.
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
Actually, you can argue if Sonnen decided to start Dancing around the Ring ala Silva and played Keep-away...
…for the final 2 minutes, the fight was pretty much his to win.
I think his mistake was that he DID try to finish the fight….
Chael deserves it over Vitor for sure
I’m not much for immediate rematches either, but in this case I am 100%. The fact that Anderson hadn’t been domonated and beaten like that in years, plus the fact Vitor hasn’t done anything at 85 in UFC. I wouldn’t mind seeing Vitor/Belcher throw down!!!!
andy hit a game winning 3 pointer at the buzzer..
he hit a game winning homer in the bottom of the 9th
he threw a game winning touchdown on the last play of the game..
who cares if he was losing….he did the equivelant of what happens in EVERY other sport on the planet…he pulled a come from behind victory at the end of the “game”…
no one says “DAMN IT….THE SAINTS WERE LOSING THE WHOLE GAME…TILL DREW BREES THREW A GAME WINNING TOUCHDOWN…I WANT AN IMMEDIATE REMATCH”
“THE LAKERS WERE LOSING THE ENTIRE GAME UNTIL KOBE LANDED THAT 3 AT THE BUZZER, I WANT AN IMMEDIATE REMATCH”
the saints are the superbowl champions…the lakers are the nba champions….anderson silva is the ufc champion….
champions win….even if its the end of the game or the fight…they win
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by HellaHectic on Aug 9, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha awesome analogy!
rec’d
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
OMG!! LOOK AT ME USING ALL CAPS IN MY POST!!! OMG!!! OMFG!!!
Dude, Grow up.
Silva didn’t win this fight…..Sonnen LOST IT. End of Story.
hahaha awesome analogy!
rec’d
"Why am I here? Why does my mind have wings? Why do blue midgets hit me with fish?!" - The Tick
I'd like to see them fight again
but not necessarily in an automatic rematch. Sonnen did clearly lose the fight and there was no controversial decision like Machida Shogun I. But Sonnen did a lot better than most has done against Silva. I know there was the Silva post fight injury comment but who knows to what extent that injury affected him. For all the fans that stood behind Silva despite his BS in some of the recent fights, Sonnen should be hailed as the guy who finally got your guy to fight (albeit from the bottom for most of the fight). Loved that Chael immediately ran across the cage to engage knowing he was going to take some punishment in hopes of giving some. Way better than Maia sitting on the outside and throwing his hands up and complaining rather than really going after the guy like Sonnen did. It’s a shame Sonnen doesn’t defend subs cause he really let Silva off the hook.
Vitor should fight Okami
Winner gets a title shot.
Chael should fight the loser of that, with the winner fighting Leben/Wanderlei winner for the NEXt shot.
and sonnen should rematch maia to see if hes learned anything bout sub defense
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by HellaHectic on Aug 10, 2010 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
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