Is Thiago Alves' next fight at middleweight (185 pounds)?
by Jesse Holland on Aug 8, 2010 11:46 AM EDT
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It will be if Dana White makes good on his comments from the UFC 117 post-fight press conference:
"We were just texting a few minutes ago and he said, ‘Hey, I’m sorry about that. I’ll come back stronger.’ I said, ‘Yeah, at one 185 you will.’ He said, ‘No, I want to stay at 170.’ It’s not like this guy has been off for a year, he looked lethargic tonight. He looked slow. He doesn’t belong at 170. He belongs at 185 pounds. It’s (expletive) to have guys make weight and have guys not make weight, especially at this level. When you’re in the UFC, your job is to make weight. Everyone else made weight that day, so it wasn’t the scale. He didn’t come in on weight, period. Believe me, I didn’t think Thiago didn’t want to make weight. He can’t. Could he have cut that half a pound? Maybe he couldn’t have. Maybe he cut so much weight that mentally, it would have broke him to go cut that last half a pound and that’s (expletive). I guarantee he can make 185 and he’ll never have a problem at it."
The company president has apparently reached his breaking point with Thiago Alves' weight cutting issues, as the "Pitbull" came in slightly over the limit for his welterweight number one contender bout with Jon Fitch at the UFC 117 event on Aug. 7 in Oakland, California. Alves insists he belongs at 170 pounds, but has had a difficult time proving it. How about it Maniacs, is it finally time to see what kind of impact the Brazilian can make as a middleweight? Or is White overreacting? Opinions please.
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My dream match at 185 would be Alves and wanderlei
by Ponch-Hoe on Aug 8, 2010 11:56 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
yeah this looks alot better than a Rumble matchup.
Hopefully Alves can whoop up on Ping while hes at it. Or Leben. I just wish we could’ve seen Alves vs Hardy
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i'd love to see alves vs wanderlai
that would be lights out for sure and they should put it on free tv. they’d attract a ton of new fans that love stand-up wars
agreed, there are a few good match ups for him there
alves / wanderlei would be good also
alves / cote or alves / marquardt would be good too
i dont think he will be that successful at MW though, i think he will lose to guys like okami, sonnen and palhares
Please don't ever let Carwin fight Big Nog! It would result in death
Can't decide who I hate more, Penn or Edgar
i think the list of people at MW who can beat Alves is much larger then okami, sonnen, palhares.
I wouldn’t have a hard time thinking of at least 9-10 people who i think would beat him.
his stand-up is good, but his lack of reach and height would really hurt him against the strikers and wrestlers in the MW division.
he should just cut some muscle so he can make the cut.
i know i was just giving some examples
Please don't ever let Carwin fight Big Nog! It would result in death
Can't decide who I hate more, Penn or Edgar
He's too short for MW
and won’t be more than a mediocre fighter…..he needs to lean out, lose some of his tits, and learn something about wrestling and then he may stand a chance at 170.
He is not a contender….at WW
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by hairybumcrack on Aug 9, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he mentioned somehting about that. Don't know if Alves was kidding though
How bout Alves vs. Leben or Alves vs. Akiyama/Bisping or
by GoldenSt8OfMind on Aug 8, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Alves Vs Johnson at 185
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by Crookswood on Aug 8, 2010 11:56 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
that would be a good fight
No way that fight goes to a decision
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by salamagogo on Aug 8, 2010 12:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
lets just hope
they can hit that 185 mark
not sure how alves could argue with his boss when he is unable to make weight after “the easiest weight cut of his life”
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by robinhorobson on Aug 8, 2010 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s twice he’s failed to make 170, plus another time he got popped for an illegal diuretic trying to make weight. He’s not a WW. Dana should not offer him another fight at 170 again. If he gets his ass kicked at MW that’s too bad.
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More than that!! The Hughes fight he was like 6lbs over and I’m pretty sure he was over when he last fought fitch?!!
by the real mo on Aug 8, 2010 12:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well...
You’re allowed to come in at 171 in non-title fights and he’s done that frequently. I think he’s only hit 170 twice at WW, his title fight with GSP and early on in his career against Fisher.
He’s missed the 1lb. buffer a couple of times. Really, I don’t think that he should have been allowed to fight Hughes because the 174 he came in at isn’t even trying. It’s not as bad as Rumble coming in at like 177 but still. 174 is a huge miss.
He looked tired and drawn out in his face, the weight cut is affecting him. When I heard Fitch say that he felt weak in the clinch made alarm bells go off in my head. Alves is known as one of the strongest guys in his division. Anyway, I think Alves is a guy in an unlucky spot. Too big for WW and too small for MW.
I think Fitch looked good.
He was tossing Alves around and was rarely sititng in guard. I wonder how many takedowns he got on Alves in 3 rounds compared to GSP’s takedowns on Alves in 5 rounds
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No doubt Fitch is a dominant wrestler
My problem with Fitch is that he seems to hold the position rather than try to land punishing blows to end the fight. I feel GSP is a lot more dynamic when he has top control and lands more punches, goes for more subs etc. whereas Fitch seems content to hold the guy down and “grind it out.”
by Captain Ernesto on Aug 8, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope fitch is a respectful man, and just give his black belt in GJJ back to camarillo
because there were so many chokes available and he just turned it into a snooze fest instead of a great grappling demo.
his standup did look improved though
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by robinhorobson on Aug 8, 2010 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions
he didn't do anything with the takedowns though
he just laid on top of him.
by GoldenSt8OfMind on Aug 8, 2010 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
The only guy
I want to see him fight is PAUL DALEY that is just a good a fight as any in MMA
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does this mean we will see big country vs schaub again?
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i will be excited to see
how big country deals with carwins hands. a little slower than jds, but they have a lot more behind them. if roy just covers up like he did with junior, carwin is going to knock him out with arm punches
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I think Big Country will do alright against Shane
Shane was rocked momentarily by Gonzaga who got sloppy and let his hands down trying to finish him and I don’t think Big Country would make that same mistake. Plus Nelson can take an insane amount of punishment as we all witness last night and his cardio may actually be better than Carwin’s as insane as that may seem. Should be a damn good match up though.
by Captain Ernesto on Aug 8, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
About time
This poor display and the recent health issues should be enough to convince Thiago to move up to 185. Unless he loses muscle he has to stop trying to fight at 170 as he can’t comfortably make the weight. I’m 100% with Dana on this one.
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by David W-S on Aug 8, 2010 1:15 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
yep
his problem is his height. 5’9
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by SouthCaliStunNa on Aug 8, 2010 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
jeff monson is 5'9
and he mixes it up in the hw division. i think mw will be good for alves because we know he can make that weight and he could even put on more muscle mass if he wanted
never have any regrets, because at the time, thats all you wanted to do
Jeff is only 5'9? wow i didnt know that
you also have to compare styles. Jeff’s style is he is HUGE (muscle/strength wise) and take people down and smothers him (on the floor size is less of a factor, not forgone, but less) . Thiago avoids the ground and strikes. HIs height and reach would be dwarfed by many at MW. BUT he is in between a rock and a hard spot. he needs to make a decision. either drop some muscle or move up.
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by SouthCaliStunNa on Aug 8, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
5'9 per wiki
but yes, monson uses his ground game + weird troll strength to win fights. alves has got to move up a weight class though because i dont think his frame will allow him to drop any more weight. plus the health risks that go along with what he does to his body, its just not worth it.
never have any regrets, because at the time, thats all you wanted to do
If Thiago gets tossed around by Fitch at 170
Imagine how badly he’d get manhandled by strong wrestlers at 185 i.e. Sonnen or even Okami. He’s in a tough spot because he’s obviously too big for 170 but I think he’s quite undersized for 185. If he moves up I’d love to see him match up with Bisping I think he’d put the Brit down for “The Count” (yuk yuk…couldn’t resist).
the dude’s come in over weight 2x, and another time tested positive for a banned substance/diuretic used for cutting weight.
3 strikes.
fight in another weight class or walk around smaller dude. seriously. i’m tired of this bullsh** with him not making weight. 2x over and another time failing a drug test in regard to cutting weight is as bad as anthony johnson coming in 7 lbs over when he fought yoshiyuki when the dude is f’ing huge and has the frame of a weight class or 2 above above. guys cutting 20-30 lb’s is absurd. fight in your weight class, instead of being so desperate for a size advantage of 2 weight classes above guys in your division.
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by theworldsoldestsport on Aug 8, 2010 1:49 PM EDT reply actions
I think he just needs to lay off the weights a little and pick up speed and he'll be fine at 170
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Think hes too small for MW
needs to stay at WW and monitor his weight better in between fights and i was also very disappointed in his performance. love watching this kid fight but man hes got no takedown defense
He needs work
He needs to learn how to wrestle and b better on te ground he got taken down easy.. That’s all that will happen if he fights a wrestler.. He needs to start traing TDD and wrestling
by 1stRdKO on Aug 8, 2010 3:37 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
i think he does work a lot on his sweeps and tdd
I think fitch is just relentless and knows how to stuff those.
I think against a lesser wrestler and a better preperation alves will look a lot better
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by robinhorobson on Aug 8, 2010 6:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
really trying to like fitch. I love his work ethic and hes like an animal with how relentless he is.
THAT BEING SAID. Learn how to apply some ground pressure. Slow the fight down a little bit and work subs or strikes. I honestly see that being his biggest problem. He does enough to stop his opponents from being able to really get back to their feet but not enough to control them in full guard or half or side. LIke grab an underhook and slow it down. I just want to see him try and go for some punishment on the ground or hell only focus on subs. When he takes a guy down i swear all he’s thinking about is "ok now that iv got him down….how am i gonna take him down again.
Btw did anyone notice alves just didnt look himself? I mean as a fighter he looked worse than iv seen him in a while but even his body looked a little schmooze compared to usual.
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It would be interesting to see Alves at 185, maybe he should fight there, or maybe he should lose some muscle so he doesn’t need to cut so much weight, but he loses to the top guys in the division and now Dana starts bullying him and telling him he belongs at 185? He didn’t become a top contender at 170 for nothing. I have to say I do like Dana, but sometimes that asshole needs to shut his fucking mouth. He can’t control everything and his word is not gospel.
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Alves has missed weight a couple of times and was caught for diuretics (used for cutting weight and masking roids). I think Dana has been pretty easy on him up to this point. He should have to show that he can make weight at 170 or move up. It’s almost like he’s not taking his job seriously.
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Yeah I know he has, and it’s a concern, but 170 is his natural weight class. He just let himself get too big. It’s not like it’s Anthony Johnson. AJ is a natural MW I’d say, whereas Alves belongs at 170 ideally.
Dana should grant his request to stay at 170. If he had problems again, then Dana’s decision would be understandable.
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