Winner of Jon Fitch vs Thiago Alves to recieve title shot
by Ponch-Hoe on Aug 5, 2010 6:50 PM EDT
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Take a number, Jake Shields.
UFC President Dana White today upped the ante for former number one contenders Jon Fitch and Thiago Alves, announcing that the winner of the 170-pound showdown at UFC 117: "Silva vs. Sonnen" this Saturday night will get another chance to compete for a world title.
No date or possible event was revealed.
That's because division champion Georges St. Pierre is currently slated to defend his belt against Josh Koscheck in December. The pair just finished taping the most recent season of The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) mixed martial arts reality show on Spike TV as opposing coaches.
Early 2011, therefore, would appear to be a likely time for the match up.
However, if Koscheck and Fitch were both to win, it would throw a wrench into White's plans. The American Kickboxing Academy (AKA) teammates have made it clear that they will never throwdown. Fitch has even promised to move to middleweight if "Kos" can win and defend the belt at least once.
Only time will tell how that situation shakes out.
Of course, if "Rush" retains his title, it would be a lot less messy. It would also mean another rematch for the Canadian -- he has outpointed both Fitch and Alves in lopsided decisions.
Options are running thin.
Stay tuned.
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CageSide staff says this is not true.
And i hope it isnt. If/When Shields beats Kampmann he should get the shot!
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damn,,,,i was hoping it would be false if Jake wins wouldnt that be the best move for everyone (bar fitch)????
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by SouthCaliStunNa on Aug 5, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Dana doesnt like Fitch or KOS or AKA as a whole
SO this is the perfect scenario for him to flex his “fight teamates” muscle. And i agree with him.
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by SouthCaliStunNa on Aug 5, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
they will never fight and it will give dana more reason to shit on them...
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i agree, if shield beat kapman he should get the title fight
or at least fight the winner of this fight to see who get the shot, since gsp and koscheck arent going to fight until dec, shields and the winner of this fight could fight on the same card to see who gets the winner….
I agree, this makes no sense
Unless Fitch wins via a spectacular KO (Very unlikely) nobody would care to watch him and GSP in a 25 minute wrestling match again. There would have to be a very stacked main card in order for that PPV to sell.
And Alves wins once and instantly gets another shot? Eh?? Not like he was ultra competitive first time out against GSP.
I would love to see them go again
And you know almost all of Canada would to, add another couple big names and it would be 500K plus. GSP by himself brings 500K.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Who? Fitch or Alves?
I’ll take your word with ppv numbers but even Canadians wouldn’t have much of a stomach for 25 more minutes of GSP and Fitch man love. The last fight was so uncompetitive, I think it’s a hard sell for Dana trying to convince Americans that Fitch has anything above a 2% chance of winning.
Fitch
Anybody vs. GSP trying to sell that the opponent has a chance will be tough but Fitch being the consensus #2 you have to believe would be the easiest? Of coarse Shields being undefeated for the last five years and SF MW champion that came out beating Hendo may be easier but the fight itself will be much like a Fitch fight. The good thing about both those guys is a fight were GSP will showcase more of his stand up.
If you had a poll who has the best chance of beating GSP after this weekend and assuming Fitch wins I believe many would pick Fitch as having the best chance. Now I hope Alves wins as thats who I’m cheering for and I believe he has the tools to do so that would put Shields if he wins as the clear #1 assuming he wins? Kampmann impressed me last fight and if he wins?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I dont see how Alves can get a shot
I agree he has the best chance of beating GSP, but Dana cant sell that fight either. If Alves had strung three wins in a row, all brutal KO’s then yeah. but the memory of the first GSP fight will be fresh in the memory and Dana can hardly argue he’s suddenly “new and improved” after one fight.
Shields or Kampmann should get the shot, fresh blood and far easier to sell, especially if its Shields, even though it’ll likely be a replay of GSP/Fitch fight.
I never said if Alves wins he should get a shot right away
They might have time to put him agaisnt the winner of Kampmann & Shields. If not seeing Alves against any top ten at WW on a winning streak, and giving the winner or the Shields fight the shot is fine by me. What I’m saying is Fitch deserves a shot as much as anybody if he wins.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
No, but Dana said Alves would get the shot if he won, that was my point.
I agree Fitch deserves a shot, he’s a beast, I just cant see the marketability that’s all.
I’d give next crack to Shields as long as he gets past Kampmann. Don’t see the point of giving him Alves, huge potential road block and just aint woth the risk as people want fresh meat for GSP. I’d give Alves Kampmann instead next fight win or lose.
I agree
but I am playing devil’s advocate here. Does Dana really want Jake Shields to beat GSP? Or is Dana’s dream to have the SF champ get dominated by someone else in that division? Is it a win for Dana if Jake lost to Kamp (I don’t think he will but)…?
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
Good point deuce.
Win, win for Dana. Should Kampmann win it’s “See I told you SF were shit, their best guy just lost to one of my mid-carders”
But if Shields wins he’s got a very marketable opponent for GSP.
The winner of Fitch and Alves would have to wait 8+ months to face GSP
As GSP’s fight with KOS is in December wich at the earliest end of March would be his next match. Were Shields Kampmann is late October and they would only be out a month and half longer than GSP and that makes more sense even if Fitch wins. I guess we will have to see who wins here and see what is said.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
If Fitch wins he deserves a shot for sure
But Alves needs another win or two before he gets his. If Alves wins I say he faces the winner of Shields and Kampmann the final winner faces GSP.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Shields is a competition org incoming champ with a hell of an impressive resume. With a win over Martin shouldnt that be who the UFC gives to GSP???
GSP vs Jon Fitch II
GSP vs Jake Shields
come the fuck on
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by SouthCaliStunNa on Aug 5, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I assumed that if Shields won, he’d get the next shot. If Shields lost, the winner of this fight would get it. A strong case could be made for Fitch, but Alves? Granted he is one of the best fighters in the division, but 1 win after a title shot does not warrant a second.
Its a lock
if Jakes beats Kampmann he will get the next shot vs the champ. More than likely will be GSP. If… is still an IF at this point though. Kampmann might win.
But there is some interesting blips on the radar. Imagine KOS vs Shields… with Fitch moving up to MW.
GSP vs Shields would get special treatment. Dana would map that out to be on a big stage.
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Who's next?
GSP still has Kos in front of him.
Don’t jump too far out.
And last I checked, Kos is #2 or #3 and Jake is behind him.
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I didn't listen to Dana's actual words
but the post only says the winner will “get another chance to compete” for the title. I supposed this could be interpreted as meaning the winner may either be given a direct shot (though it seems like a long wait), or will get put in an number 1 contender match (Shields/Kampmann?).
When is GSP and KOS fighting? I believe later in the year
And with that both Shields/Kampmann and Alves/Fitch fight will be done and the winners could have a #1 contender fight? Or if Fitch wins give him the next shot and have the winner of Shields and Kampman for the second title shot kind of like what the UFC did with Cain and JDS/Roy?
Now maybe the UFC gives Shields the shot if he wins and the winner of Fitch/Alves face another contender.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Dec 11th (UFC 124)
so not for awhile. (I couldn’t remember either—just took a quick look on wiki). I think it would be great for winners of Shields/Kampmann & Alves/Fitch to fight for #1 contender, but I don’t think it’ll happen a la David W-S’s comments below.
Im hearing otherwise!
Why would they give either guy another shot at GSP when Shields was brought in specifically to fight GSP? Makes no sense! New blood for the champ makes sense!
but if Fitch wins that would make a bunch of wins after his loss to George. He will have payed his dues to get back.
Does he then sit and wait like cain?
thats a gay move too
thing is, Fitch is the 2nd best wrestler in the division and has only lost to GSP in recent years. He decisions everyone and will continue to do so. I’m sure he could lay on one more opponent while Shields gets his shot!
Fitch and Kos won't fight, end of
And the Shields-Kampmann winner should face the Fitch-Alves 2 winner for the next shot at the GSP-Kos 2 winner. That would make the most sense both business and ranking wise, though after the Cain/JDS debacle I wouldn’t be surprised if the UFC avoided matching up the winners just to protect the top contenders.
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by David W-S on Aug 6, 2010 8:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
This is how I think it should play out
If Fitch beats Alves;
1. and GSP beats Koscheck then Fitch gets the next title shot
2. and Koscheck beats GSP then Fitch moves up to middleweight and the winner of Shields/Kampmann gets the first shot at Koscheck
If Alves beats Fitch;
1. and GSP beats Koscheck then the next title shot goes to the winner of Shields/Kampmann
2. and Koscheck beats GSP then Alves gets the first shot at Koscheck. He will be the last person to hold a victory over the champ and he would have just beaten the #2 guy so I could see him deserving a shot.
wait a minute, Alves was not the last person to beat Koscheck, how could I forget.....
I guess Alves could still deserve a shot for the reasons I already mentioned if he beats Fitch AND Koscheck beats GSP. But I could also see the shot going to Shelds/Kampmann if Alves and Koscheck are winners of their respective fights.
And Kampmann schooled Paulo
Honestly I don’t think Shields has as big a guarantee as many think.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
“I” before “E” except after “C”. Sorry, Ponch, but if I let that error slide I could get my badge revoked from the grammar police.
by Mayhem chimpanzee on Aug 6, 2010 11:10 AM EDT reply actions
Absolutely not
Shields Kampmann winner should get the next chance.
by Lester The Pimp on Aug 6, 2010 11:21 AM EDT reply actions
agreed. lets see some new blood against GSP.
Using no way as way, having no limitation as limitation.
agreed!
Stop recycling! We want some new challenges for gsp
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by robinhorobson on Aug 6, 2010 11:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This makes no sense to me
you just brought over Shields to put up against your 170 champ (and possibly mix it up in the 185 division). No one really wants to see either of these guys fighting GSP. At least I don’t, not yet.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
Alves makes no sense
But if Fitch wins, Shields or Kampmann there is debate either way.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
yea..and dana said hendo was gonna get a title shot after this bisping ko
Fuck that fat liar…dana’s got more stories than walt disney.
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by salamagogo on Aug 6, 2010 12:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
at least he isn't as racist as Disney
so he has that going for him.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
Gsp = captain rematch
I wanna see some new matchups!!!!!!
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by Newfie3 on Aug 6, 2010 2:09 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
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