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Josh Koscheck: 'If Georges doesn't take me seriously, he's going to sleep'

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Quoteworthy:

"I saw some weaknesses in him and I definitely plan to use that against him. I think he knows he has his hands full with me. Well, I don't know, maybe he doesn't. Maybe he doesn't believe I'm a better fighter than I was in 2007 and if he doesn't, it's his mistake. If he feels that way, I know he's going to wake up after getting knocked out and say to himself, ‘Oh [expletive], I should have taken him seriously.' I'm confident and I believe in myself and I believe I'm going to win and Georges knows that now. How people wind up perceiving that, frankly, I don't care. I think this is a good season [of TUF] and people will enjoy it, but I'm all about winning. If the fans like me, great, but that's not my goal in this. My goal is to get that belt and that's what this is all about."

Anybody else feel like we have an overload of pre-fight trash talk right now? With Chael Sonnen and James Toney putting in work, there is virtually no room left for verbal warfare from anybody else. But, we have to just gotta dig deep, fight through it, and welcome Josh Koscheck aboard. The latest missile fired out of Josh's mouth is a warning to GSP stating that if the welterweight kingpin isn't taking him seriously, he's gonna be taking a nice knockout-induced nap come December 11. So, I ask you what is more likely... St. Pierre overlooking "Kos," or the TUF 1 veteran shutting the champ's lights off?

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"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Aug 3, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

you are right dice

its really hit or miss on whether or not gsp will show up in good shape. and seeing as how gsp wants to compete in the 2012 olympics for wrestling, he probably has not gotten that much better over the last two years. and the more kos runs his mouth, the tougher his fight is going to be.

never have any regrets, because at the time, thats all you wanted to do

by child on Aug 3, 2010 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

* three years

i promise, i can count

never have any regrets, because at the time, thats all you wanted to do

by child on Aug 3, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll put a 100 that says this fight....

will be a 25 min snuggle fest. At least Kos CAN knock out people once in a while. GSP hasn’t stopped anybody who wasn’t a true 155er or a past their prime dinosaur for years.

Anderson Silva haters will be back on his nuts after he gets another amazing KO just like when he embarrassed Forrest like nobody else could. GSP can't even finish people in his own weight division. The only time Andy goes the distance is against a so, so fighter who he either isn't motivated to fight or just toys with them. Get a top fighter in there and watch him get destroyed within 2 rounds. He's bored at MW, get him to LHW so he can take that belt too and let's watch GSP be brave enough to take a fight at MW.

Lesnar isn't the most skilled fighter but until somebody beats him he is the #1 HW in the world. It's obviously not Fedor and sure as hell isn't Werdum!

by Oswald on Aug 3, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

i like your sig but i will always dislike anderson silva. your right about the others though.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 1 month till the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 3, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

25 mins?

this fight will probably be more like 35 mins given the time allowed for Kos to roll around on the floor after faking getting poked in the eye for 10 minutes

by soupdz28 on Aug 4, 2010 2:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

would canada cry if kos won?

he will so i will just have to wait.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 1 month till the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 3, 2010 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

KOS is going to try and prove his wrestling is better than GSP's

that being said, itll stay standing for the majority of the fight with KOS getting picked apart.

I'm Not Afraid of Dying, I'm a Little Bit Scared of What Comes After...

by SouthCaliStunNa on Aug 3, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

maybe Kos is the one taking it seriously now

Last time he didn’t even train wrestling because he “knew” he was the better wrestler then got handled for the whole fight. Kos is not short on confidence. Should be a good scrap.

"A man that does not fall, does not stand up."

by CROOKS on Aug 3, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kos needs to work on his takedown defence for this camp

I think his plan is to knock GSP out. In order to do that, he’s gonna have to stuff a few takedowns and keep it standing. Alot easier said than done.

Using no way as way, having no limitation as limitation.

by Two_Words on Aug 3, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

you really believe that he didnt train wrestling at all last time

I dont think bob cook and the rest of the coaching staff said to him " dont train wrestling you already got it , go and practice that overhand right"

That was just koscheck saying bs

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by robinhorobson on Aug 3, 2010 9:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

we're gonna see GSP's sick TD defense in this one

My P4P Top 5:
1) GSP 2) Aldo 3) A. Silva 4)Shogun 5) Fedor

by Newfie3 on Aug 3, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

maybe serra if you count the knock down and mount. hughes in the first fight only. and karo took him down in there fight too. other than that no one else.

by stak on Aug 3, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I dont count the Serra as that wasnt a takedown, rather a knockdown.

and everyone who has been able to finally and briefly take him down, he does twice the takedown and control to them.

I'm Not Afraid of Dying, I'm a Little Bit Scared of What Comes After...

by SouthCaliStunNa on Aug 3, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is kos decides to take GSP down he will lose.

Using no way as way, having no limitation as limitation.

by Two_Words on Aug 3, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

*If

Using no way as way, having no limitation as limitation.

by Two_Words on Aug 3, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

based on what?

He took him down in the first fight and won the round, but wasn’t as in shape as GSP or ready for GSP’s shot.

"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein

by Ulf Murphy on Aug 3, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed. GSP is going to be tested in this one.

"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein

by Ulf Murphy on Aug 3, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I gave GSP all 3 rounds in that fight.

His takedown defence has gotten so much better. Even if Kos can take GSP down once or twice over 5 rds, he wont do shit. He’ll gas from all the times he gets stuffed. Probably go 2/10 on takedowns. Kos should keep it standing and hope he lands a big one. Work 100% on takedown defence to stuff GSP’s takedowns.

Using no way as way, having no limitation as limitation.

by Two_Words on Aug 3, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about rounds 4 and 5? They won Frankie the belt. ;)

"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein

by Ulf Murphy on Aug 3, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

sry, misread.

Kos won a round, i believe on all three judges card.

"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein

by Ulf Murphy on Aug 3, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

no, 1 judge gave GSP all 3 rds.

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by Two_Words on Aug 3, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Like People's did to Munoz? ;)

(couldn’t resist)

"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein

by Ulf Murphy on Aug 3, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Munoz vs ?

Using no way as way, having no limitation as limitation.

by Two_Words on Aug 3, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okami, this weekend. SD fo Okami, but Peoples scored it 29-28 Munoz.

I was saying that one judge (the one that did not give Kos a round) was messed up. ;)

"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein

by Ulf Murphy on Aug 3, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh, that was Peoples, fuck.

That guy is blind. I dont know how you can give Munoz more than a single round. But I did give GSP all 3 rds. Watch it again.

Using no way as way, having no limitation as limitation.

by Two_Words on Aug 3, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have. I still give it to Kos.

Maybe I give too much credit to TD’s, but GSP held the fence (illegal) and got out pretty quickly, but there were no other major moves in the round. Pretty even. I see how you could call it GSP, but I never would.

And I am even in this fight. IE, I don’t care who wins because I like them both as fighters. Kos went to School locally to me, so I have a soft spot, regardless of the douchebaggery.

"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein

by Ulf Murphy on Aug 3, 2010 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought I could smell Buffalo

Hey - who cuts your hair?

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by hairybumcrack on Aug 3, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

WTF? He was a Fighting Scot.

"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein

by Ulf Murphy on Aug 4, 2010 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

GSP and Kos fought 3 rds in their last fight.

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by Two_Words on Aug 3, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, but those are reversals and wouldn’t be viewed as takedowns

by stak on Aug 3, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

kos is going to get in the head of gsp during the tuf 12 show like rashad did vs rampage on their stint together..

same results.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 1 month till the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 3, 2010 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I fear GSP risks being ridiculed by Fuckface

because he is not very good with words. I don’t care too much though. All will be settled in the fight, where it really counts.

The only real possession you'll ever have is your character. — Tom Wolfe

by Yan117 on Aug 3, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

yawn

not excited to see either of them fight, and them fighting each other might actually be more boring than a Fitch fight.

by Lester The Pimp on Aug 3, 2010 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

his stand up has gotten a lot better

GSP is still more technical than he is but I think this fight is going to be way more competitive than people give it credit for. Kos in my eyes is the next best well rounded fighter at 170 lbs next to GSP; he can wrestle he can box and he’s got great conditioning. Alves/Hardy were both more strikers than anything else, Fitch was more of a wrestler; I just see Kos being all around a more complete fighter than Georges has had to deal with in a long time.

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Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.

by O damn he got caught on Aug 3, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

GSP has improved more than Kos.

Kos got ko’d by PT. Lets not forget.

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by Two_Words on Aug 3, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly. That's why I posted that comment about Kos' boxing.

"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Aug 3, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

and he has not tried to box anyone since.

I would argue that Daley has better pure striking than GSP and Daley couldn’t touch him.

"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein

by Ulf Murphy on Aug 3, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

the difference is that KOS didn’t have to worry about Daley taking him down..

by bobncc98 on Aug 3, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Aug 3, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Btw, could we agree this is one of the most enjoyable KOs in UFC history?

The only real possession you'll ever have is your character. — Tom Wolfe

by Yan117 on Aug 3, 2010 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Needs to be a little slower

by SplitBreast on Aug 3, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

and a little longer, but I found it while searching for the kos takedown on gsp and had to post it too

by stak on Aug 3, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

That KO is Hilarious!!!

Paulo Thiago really Caught Kos Bad on that Combination. LMAO

by Cory B on Aug 4, 2010 1:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

This^^^

"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Aug 3, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kos in 2007 forgot about his wrestling.

I hope he can make this fight exciting I’m not looking forward 2 a 5 round wrestling match.

by d*locc on Aug 3, 2010 2:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not a Fan

Don’t really like either one of these guys but I do respect the skil of GSP. Think it b great if there was some kind of freak happening where both guys got ko’d or dq’d and the belt had to b vacated

Das Butcher

by Das Butcher on Aug 3, 2010 2:26 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

your scenario would result in a no contest and GSP would keep the belt. the only way it’s getting vacated is if either one wins and tests positive for banned substances.

by stak on Aug 3, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

or if the winner left the company like Bustamante or Penn

by stak on Aug 3, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

well shit

I can dream right. It b kinda weird to see something like that happen u kno. On a more serious note I’d really like Kos to ko GSP but I really don’t think that will happen

Das Butcher

by Das Butcher on Aug 3, 2010 4:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

He has a punchers chance..Weird to say that about a wrestler but thats about it.. Even if his wreslting is better its not by much.. No way he can take GSP down..I agree KOS is one of the best at 170 but he is no GSP.. With that said, anything can happen and GSP doesn’t have the best chin..If he gets clipped he is going to sleep..But I don’t that has anything to do w/ not taking him seriously

by bobncc98 on Aug 3, 2010 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Kos can take down George and i think he will in this fight.

now if i had to bet money on this fight i would take Gsp for sure .

by BJPennfan on Aug 3, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

kos wont be able to take him down

as much as Kos was surprised with GSP’s wrestling, GSP knew Kos wasnt gonna wrestle with him, so how much do you really think GSP trained TD defense? i dont say much…this time he will…NOT taking GSP down. his TD defense is unreal

My P4P Top 5:
1) GSP 2) Aldo 3) A. Silva 4)Shogun 5) Fedor

by Newfie3 on Aug 3, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

true it is very good

but i see Kos with a TD in this fight. We will just have to wait and see i guess. I like this is going to be a different kos this time around. Like i said though if i had to bet i would take George .

by BJPennfan on Aug 3, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

He took him down in the first fight. He will take him down again.

"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein

by Ulf Murphy on Aug 3, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Kos won a round. The last round GSP has lost.

A focused Kos is more dangerous than anyone GSP has faced and is a better test than anyone he has fought, since, well, Kos. (maybe Fitch)

"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein

by Ulf Murphy on Aug 3, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

+2

Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Quarry : Serra : Wandy : Pulver : Alvarez

by ArlovsKang on Aug 3, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHA

oh come on guys. GSP dominated all 5 rds against Alves, a guy who Kos couldnt get by, and GSP raped Fitch for 5 rds. So, if Kos loses, he isn’t focused. He’s only focused when he wins. I guess he wasn’t focused against Paulo Thiago.

BJPennFan: So, you think Kos will win, but you’re betting on GSP??? Which is it? Obviously if your betting on GSP, its because you really think he’s gonna win.

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by Two_Words on Aug 3, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

So, if Kos loses, he isn’t focused

That was never said by me. I said a focused Kos is more dangerous than Alves or Fitch or Hardy or Serra. I stand by that.

Kos took the Alves fight on 14 DAYS notice. The rumor is that he was 192 when he accepted. So, he lost 22 pounds in 14 days and made weight for the fight. I expected him to get embarrased, but he didn’t.

I am not saying he will beat GSP, tht is kinda follhardy, but Kos is not a slouch. He is really good. I am also playing protagonist since most on Mania think he walks on water.

"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein

by Ulf Murphy on Aug 3, 2010 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

he = GSP

"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein

by Ulf Murphy on Aug 3, 2010 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha

dude, seriously. It’s funny how people don’t like GSP. It’s like, “ya, he was good a couple years ago, but now he’s a boring fighter. He goes the distance.” He fought like twice in two years. People easily forget his accomplishments and awesome fights. Whatever, people like that need to be more educated, or just go watch some other sport that will keep their short attention spanned minds entertained. :] x10

by i_am_awesome_o on Aug 3, 2010 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Awesome indeed.

The only real possession you'll ever have is your character. — Tom Wolfe

by Yan117 on Aug 3, 2010 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love it!!

I love it when people say GSP has no chin, prob of all the time he has been knocked out?

by jet99 on Aug 3, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow at people talking about GSPs chin

Caught once, two hundred years ago in the temple by none other than gimli himself, followed by about 50 punches leading to his one single TKO loss.

Yeah that chin is just BAD.

by Lester The Pimp on Aug 3, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah it annoys me too Lester.

Dude got smacked behind the ear by one of the WW Divisions hardest hitters, and not allowed to recover.
If anything, then, it would be a weak behind-the-ear.
GSP took shots from BJ, Alves and Hardy flush in the face and still stood.
There’s nothing wrong with his fucking chin.

Arlovski : Kang : GSP : Rampage : Lytle : Huerta : Quarry : Serra : Wandy : Pulver : Alvarez

by ArlovsKang on Aug 3, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

What does that have to do with his chin? If he tapped, he was awake. Thanks for clearing it up. His chin is actually even better than I thought.

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by MM_Eh on Aug 3, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t say he has no chin..I said he doesn’t have the best chin..

by bobncc98 on Aug 3, 2010 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

What’s your evidence?

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Aug 3, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

based on what?

getting hit in the back of the head by Matt Serra?

My P4P Top 5:
1) GSP 2) Aldo 3) A. Silva 4)Shogun 5) Fedor

by Newfie3 on Aug 3, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is the only evidence any of us have….I am not saying that his chin is weak but I do believe KOS has the ability to knock him out if he catches him… What makes you think he can stand there and trade punches? The evidence is lacking on both sides of the argument.. If you had to bet on someone to stand there and take punches you would pick GSP? I doubt it..

by bobncc98 on Aug 3, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only time GSP has ever been rocked in 22 fights is by Serra. He wasn’t even put out cold on that. I would say in fact that he has a very good chin. Not many fighters have gone that many fights without being tagged and KO’d even by guys not generally known as strikers.

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Aug 3, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

BJ has one of the best chins I have ever seen in MMA. He also doesn’t bruise or get cut. If I didn’t know better I would think he had some sort of organic-steel skin.

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Aug 3, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh he does

He shared his secrets with superman, wonderwoman and batman. That is why they are so badass.

"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."

by Deuce02 on Aug 3, 2010 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is because he doesn’t get hit… He is that good at avoiding punishment and controlling the fight.

by bobncc98 on Aug 3, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly.

and Kos’ only chance of KOing him in when he swings one of them big ol barnyards

and he aint getting caught with that

My P4P Top 5:
1) GSP 2) Aldo 3) A. Silva 4)Shogun 5) Fedor

by Newfie3 on Aug 3, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was exactly my point…

by bobncc98 on Aug 3, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

your point here in the beginning

was GSP has a weak chin

My P4P Top 5:
1) GSP 2) Aldo 3) A. Silva 4)Shogun 5) Fedor

by Newfie3 on Aug 3, 2010 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, not my point at all… Not the best doesn’t equal weak… No point to argue with you idiots if you interpret something however you want…If I thought he had a weak chin I would have said GSP’s chin sucks…etc.. All I meant is I don’t think he capable of taking some big bombs that KOS is capable of throwing.

by bobncc98 on Aug 3, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha he is home yelling at his computer

My P4P Top 5:
1) GSP 2) Aldo 3) A. Silva 4)Shogun 5) Fedor

by Newfie3 on Aug 3, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not appreciating everyone miscontruing my statement.. I don’t think anyone in the UFC has a weak chin..I just am not picking GSP to win a slugfest if he gets tagged a few times..That is not his strength…

by bobncc98 on Aug 3, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree, which is why he changed his tactics after the first Serra fight.

"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Aug 3, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

arlovski = defintion of weak chin

My P4P Top 5:
1) GSP 2) Aldo 3) A. Silva 4)Shogun 5) Fedor

by Newfie3 on Aug 3, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Goulet?

"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein

by Ulf Murphy on Aug 3, 2010 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely, Ulf. And the AA reference is correct as well, Newf.

"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.

-Stephen King

by OJR on Aug 3, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

besides saying "he doesn't have the best chin"

It was also followed by:

“If he gets clipped he is going to sleep.”

I don’t believe that to be true either.

Super Worbio Bros.

by daniel worby on Aug 3, 2010 5:01 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Nobody goes whole matches without getting hit, let alone almost entire careers. He’s been hit with good shots plenty of times, just not put out.

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Aug 3, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah you did

You implied GSP is weak chined…

by jet99 on Aug 3, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, just because its not the best doesnt mean it is weak..I was pointing out that if he does have a chance to win the fight that is where it would be…

by bobncc98 on Aug 3, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love it

I love it when people don’t read posts properly and then make a post that is inaccurate…

by bobncc98 on Aug 3, 2010 2:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I love it when people try to reply to a specific post but fail multiple times.

by stak on Aug 3, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bjpenn-what makes you think he can take GSP down? He got man handled in their first fight and didn’t even come close to a takedown…It would have to be a mistake by GSP that led to a td ..

by bobncc98 on Aug 3, 2010 2:37 PM EDT reply actions  

we will just have to wait and see

either way this fight is a win win for me. I get to see one of these guys get worked

by BJPennfan on Aug 3, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

re-watch the fight, he did get one takedown on GSP

by stak on Aug 3, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeh i thought so

just wasnt 100 % so did want to say it

by BJPennfan on Aug 3, 2010 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

he did yeah. i was actually searching for the gif to post that on here

but i think GSP will work his TD defense alot more for this fight knowing KOS is working on his wrestling

My P4P Top 5:
1) GSP 2) Aldo 3) A. Silva 4)Shogun 5) Fedor

by Newfie3 on Aug 3, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

My P4P Top 5:
1) GSP 2) Aldo 3) A. Silva 4)Shogun 5) Fedor

by Newfie3 on Aug 3, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats pretty good TD attempt by kos

that got no where

My P4P Top 5:
1) GSP 2) Aldo 3) A. Silva 4)Shogun 5) Fedor

by Newfie3 on Aug 3, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

that isnt the take down i was talking about

by BJPennfan on Aug 3, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

i know

My P4P Top 5:
1) GSP 2) Aldo 3) A. Silva 4)Shogun 5) Fedor

by Newfie3 on Aug 3, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats all i could find right now

My P4P Top 5:
1) GSP 2) Aldo 3) A. Silva 4)Shogun 5) Fedor

by Newfie3 on Aug 3, 2010 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

i love how that takedown is at 1:20 of the second rounbd

and people give KOs the round because of it

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1) GSP 2) Aldo 3) A. Silva 4)Shogun 5) Fedor

by Newfie3 on Aug 3, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Koscheck Actually Did Alot More

He stayed on top and was positonal dominant… I gave the round to Koscheck

by AintNoSunshine on Aug 3, 2010 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

and a takedown at 4:59 of the round would be better?? NOT

When you take your oppnent down with 1 second in the round, you can’t do damage. When you take your opponent down with 3 and a half minutes to go, you can inflict damage.

The time left in a round has nothing to do with how a takedown is scored.

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by ViolentMike on Aug 3, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

while flying in mid air he tries to grab it

wildman

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1) GSP 2) Aldo 3) A. Silva 4)Shogun 5) Fedor

by Newfie3 on Aug 3, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

so is greasing and steroids

but GSP does em anyways! FUCK YEAH

My P4P Top 5:
1) GSP 2) Aldo 3) A. Silva 4)Shogun 5) Fedor

by Newfie3 on Aug 3, 2010 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like how you put them in the same category.

It is a fact that he greased in the BJ Penn fight. Steroids is an accusation at this point.

Bullets dodge Fedor.

by freenow82 on Aug 3, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is also a fact that it wasn’t against the rules at the time due to the poor wording. If he were to do it now I would call it cheating. Roids are cheating though.

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by MM_Eh on Aug 3, 2010 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Semantics.

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by OJR on Aug 3, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Indeed

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Aug 3, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

fact: It was wiped off before the round started.

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by Two_Words on Aug 3, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes, because that totally changed the fight.

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by Two_Words on Aug 3, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

i dont really want to get into it but cheating is cheating.

i hear this stuff from the likes of Hughes,BJ,and Sherk. So that is the only reason i believe it to be true.

by BJPennfan on Aug 3, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cheating is only cheating if it’s against the rules, which it wasn’t at the time. Therefore, no matter your feelings about the ethics of it, it’s not cheating.

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Aug 3, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

It said excessive. What’s excessive to one may not be to another. To subjective of a term for a rule. That’s why they changed the wording afterwards.

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by MM_Eh on Aug 3, 2010 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ethical concerns are different than rule breaking and cheating.

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Aug 3, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

they werent intentionally rubbing him down with vaseline

they applied it to his face and than they were rubbing st. pierres back for breathing or something.

And even after the fight they didnt found an excessive amount of vaseline on st. pierre and even NSAC didnt take action, so the greasing is still a allegation of a losing penn.

and after this all they changed the rules that only the cutman could apply vaseline on a fighters face.

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by robinhorobson on Aug 4, 2010 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I assume you are being sarcastic.

As far as my beliefs are concerned, it completely changed the fight.

I can’t tell you that I believe BJ would have won if GSP didn’t grease, but the fight would have been different.

Bullets dodge Fedor.

by freenow82 on Aug 3, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

there was no change from "pre-greasing" to "post-greasing".

GSP held him down.

Im a BJ fan too, but he got dominated. I wouldn’t mind seeing a part 3 down the line, but Dana needs to be able to sell it.

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by Two_Words on Aug 3, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually as far as I remember, GSP didn't hold him down at all in the first round.

And after that started the domination (already greased). My memory might be wrong.

Bullets dodge Fedor.

by freenow82 on Aug 3, 2010 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

BJ's got it in the bag

I like Edgar, but I mean, cmon, beating BJ will only happen once.

by i_am_awesome_o on Aug 3, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

youre a wrasslin fan huh??

and in regards to your comment, i would have to agreee, unless your name is GSP.

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by SouthCaliStunNa on Aug 3, 2010 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grease also hinders positional wrestling and takedowns. What was GSP’s staff thinking, he could have finished it way earlier if his stupid coaches didn’t apply that to him. I agree things would have been different if it hadn’t been applied, BJ would have been out of there in the second or third.

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Aug 3, 2010 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice try to turn it around.

doesn’t work so well though.

Bullets dodge Fedor.

by freenow82 on Aug 3, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why is that. It’s true that it does hinder positional wrestling and takedowns.

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Aug 3, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Athletes use rules to their advantage all the time. I don’t see that as wrong or cheating. I also am one of the few who actually think this took place innocently. I think it’s unethical to slide cleats first in order to injure someone but it certainly isn’t cheating. I blame you BJPF for these shit gates being opened ;)

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Aug 3, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Aug 3, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know what’s wrong BJPF. Not the greasing accusations from BJ because it ended up positively changing rules and procedures, the PEDs accusations are what’s wrong and very unethical. BJ has no proof what so ever and continues to spew it anywhere somebody will listen. BJ was easily my second favourite fighter before that (I still like watching him fight but have little regard for him as a person after that). Baseless accusations are what’s wrong. If GSP pisses hot, I will be the first to say he cheated, but until then trying to tarnish someone lively hood remains wrong in my opinion.

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Aug 3, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Closed!!!

Myth: Three Americans die every year from rabies. Fact: Four Americans die every year die from rabies.

by MM_Eh on Aug 3, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

You guys are all fucked

How many times can you beat a dead horse. Apparently alot more on this website.

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by hairybumcrack on Aug 3, 2010 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

it will be much worse for gsp the second time around.

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by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 3, 2010 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

My P4P Top 5:
1) GSP 2) Aldo 3) A. Silva 4)Shogun 5) Fedor

by Newfie3 on Aug 3, 2010 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn. I don’t want to see Gsp take Kos down for 5 rounds. Come stronger, Josh, and give trouble to the champion.

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by Eduardo Cruz on Aug 3, 2010 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Trouble would be fantastic.

Unfortunately, I don’t see anything happening except GSP lying on Kos the whole time.

Bullets dodge Fedor.

by freenow82 on Aug 3, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s it. Some punches, takedowns, maybe one knockdown… go Kos, go!

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by Eduardo Cruz on Aug 3, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, Wait, Wait.

Am I really seeing people write that GSP is not always in good shape…For which fights? I’ve been a huge fan of GSP, and I don’t think I’ve ever seen him outta shape. Or saying stuff like, George grabbed the cage…Who hasn’t grabbed the cage. Fedor grabbed the cage in a few of his fights, but everyone was able to look passed that and say he’s the best p4p fighter, or best heavyweight. Whatever, GSP is the man, Kos is gonna get his ass kicked…HARD.

by i_am_awesome_o on Aug 3, 2010 5:52 PM EDT reply actions  

you're an idiot.

what’s “advanced lay and pray”? Sure, he takes guys down alot, but its not like he just lays on them. He is one of the best at advancing his position on the ground. How many ppl can pass BJ’s guard? Or Fitch’s? He attempts submissions and throws nasty elbows. Go watch a few fights before you comment.

No chin? When has he been knocked out? Serra grazed the back of his head which initiated his shaky leg dance, which then led to the TKO. GSP took an obscene amount of punishment from a heavy-handed Serra and didn’t go out.

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by Two_Words on Aug 3, 2010 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

GSP = CANADIAN GAY ADVANCED FRENCH LAY n PRAY !!!!

if you don’t know this then get the F- Out of the UFC I’mDANA F-ing WHITE!!!!!
F- U! A*& HOL$!!!!!!
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by iamdanawhite on Aug 3, 2010 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Well FU and GSP WILL WIN BY KNOCK OUT

Anderson is going to make Chael his Play boy (No Homo)

by TD500 on Aug 3, 2010 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

THERE HE IS ANDY SILVA WELL GOD DARN IT!

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by iamdanawhite on Aug 3, 2010 9:56 PM EDT reply actions  

What I want to know

is how Koscheck has the idea in his head that his stand up is better than GSP.

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by nlucci on Aug 3, 2010 11:09 PM EDT reply actions  

I like KOS as a fighter

but I’m tired of hearing all the knockout promises and then not delivering. Just STFU and go out there and perform, please.

by sudnvictory on Aug 4, 2010 4:40 AM EDT reply actions  

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Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.

by O damn he got caught on Aug 4, 2010 10:50 AM EDT reply actions  

Mongol General: What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.

by O damn he got caught on Aug 4, 2010 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

Mongol General: What is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.

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