UFC Primetime set to return for Brock Lesnar vs Cain Velasquez at UFC 121
by James Kimball on Aug 26, 2010 10:35 AM EDT
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A major heavyweight showdown deserves some major pre-fight hype. And with the announcement that the popular three-part Spike TV series, UFC Primetime, will return to document the lead up to Brock Lesnar vs. Cain Velasquez, that's exactly what we'll get.
UFC President Dana White informed us all of the decision during yesterday's online chat with ESPN's SportsNation.
Lesnar and Velasquez are of course set to square off at UFC 121, October 23, in Anaheim, California.
This will be the fourth such series dedicated to the pre-fight build up for a major UFC event. Primetime debuted for Georges St. Pierre vs. B.J. Penn 2 at UFC 94. It returned to cover GSP's title defense against Dan Hardy for UFC 111. And most recently documented the war of words between Quinton "Rampage" Jackson and Rashad Evans.
Who thinks this Primetime will reign supreme? Is Brock have to carry the show, or will Cain provide a bit of entertainment?
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Finally a primetime that won't suck
this is gonna be way more interesting than gsp or evans ones
by Lester The Pimp on Aug 26, 2010 10:43 AM EDT reply actions
+1
Can’t wait for this one. Gonna add more interest to a fight I’m already looking forward to
Went to my first jits class. Don't think I was ever so happy with getting my ass handed to me
Oh yeah
Lesnar Primetime pretty much ensures this will be another over 1 million PPV.
by PetrozellisJab on Aug 26, 2010 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I say about 90% Lesnar and 10% Cain on the fight hype!
And before it ends in the first round, It’ll be about the same story on the beating!
by Danas A Crossdresser on Aug 26, 2010 11:00 AM EDT reply actions
nah i think they will highlight cain more
get more exposure, get more Hispanic fans interested. The UFC is going to mexico soon.
by Andrew Keller on Aug 26, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
They do pretty close to 50/50
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Hopefully none of the fighters getting kidnapped down there
Mexico is worse than Iraq right now
by xquisitewretch on Aug 26, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
That aint no lie. Mexico is a danger Zone everywhere yougo.
Shogun will have the longest championship reign in the UFC
overblown crap
there are areas in mexico that are way safer than cities in the US. It all depends on where you go.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
I hope you're right Andrew.
I was really hoping the UFC would do a Primetime for this match. This is a perfect opportunity to use the drawing power of Brock to help build up Cain and get him more exposure. From a marketing standpoint I think this is a great move by the UFC, especially because there is a very real chance that Cain will win this fight and hold the belt for a while. I know many disagree, but his conditioning is head and shoulders above anyone else in the HW division. And with his wrestling and ability to push the pace of the fight I don’t see him losing any title fights that go past the second round. I like both guys, but I think that Cain is going to be able to survive the first two rounds and then use his speed and conditioning to wear down Brock for a late TKO or UD.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
Everyone keeps bringing up his conditioning.
I have one thing to say about that. Prove it. He has only gone the distance in a 3 rounder and as a news flash so did Lesnar. What makes people think that Cain’s endurance is so superior to Lesnar’s. From what I have read Lesnar is also an cardio nut for a HW and has gone the distance just as many times as Cain. So what proof does anyone have that Cain’s endurance is so much superior to Lesnar’s
I agree that if Cain has a advantage endurance wise it's not going to be as big as an advanatge as many believe if at all.
There has been many fighters that have stated Cains endurance is amazing and maybe so but Brocks is pretty good too.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
NNOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Bring back GSP!!!! :(
Great now we’ll get to hear from every WWE friend Borck has when they talk to em about how spectacular Borck is… Pfft. Go Cain!
I’m insane in the Cainbrain! INSANE IN THR BRAIN!
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by daniel worby on Aug 26, 2010 11:08 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yep!
And how many of are gonna get asked, “Have you ever thought of switching to MMA?” And how many will reply, “I’ve given it some thought!”
by Danas A Crossdresser on Aug 26, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
ugh, stop! i'm already embarrassed for us.
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by daniel worby on Aug 26, 2010 11:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
*THE
Fuckin spelling nazi’s will be all o’er that one.
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by daniel worby on Aug 26, 2010 11:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
havent seen ya around lately worbs. been missing your always entertaining posts.
by Andrew Keller on Aug 26, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
andrew keller, the new site is keeping me plenty busy
getting all the kinks worked out. check it out more often. cheers buddy
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by daniel worby on Aug 26, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
ugh, stop! i’m already embarrassed for us.
Don’t speak for all of us, you should be more embarrassed that some of you couldn’t look past the WWE and see the “real” skill Lesnar has especially when non MMA fans did? More non MMA fans knew of Brocks college wrestling and athletic ability because of his Vikings try outs and had a buzz going in the football world. The problem is many hardcore MMA fans couldn’t look past his WWE?! Now thats embarrassing when so called hardcore MMA fans can’t see talent when it bites them in the ass?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
The problem is many hardcore MMA fans couldn’t look past his WWE?! Now thats embarrassing when so called hardcore MMA fans can’t see talent when it bites them in the ass?
We should start calling them ‘softcores.’
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
No it has nothing to do with hardcore or softcore, just ignorance.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Can we call them ignorcores then?
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
Testify!
I think those that did not see his raw talent are those that hated to see Gracie get destroyed by Hughes. Amateur wrestling has shown to be the best base for an MMA fighter. Add incredible speed for a HW, unbelievable power, and an incredible work ethic towards conditioning and expanding his fighting skill and you have Lesnar.
He has shown that nobody can hang with him on the ground and he can take whatever anyone has to dish out on the feet. The ignorant fans that Puck Head talks about just do not want to believe it.
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Aug 26, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I think this would be the only fight where i root for Brock....
DrewMoney$$$ is the man, I should have never challenged him to a sig bet. You know he started the Pick 'Em pool late and was forced to replace someone who quit and was far behind in last place his score doesn’t truly reflect how good his picks have been. He still has time to come back and is the obvious favorite for the next pool. By the way im picking the Detroit Lions to win the Superbowl the next 3 seasons in a row, and I would also pick Kimbo Slice to beat Fedor and Brock Lesnar any time. I love Kimbo Slice, he is MMA to me. Anyway DrewMoney$$$ is the man, don’t ever challenge him to a sig bet…
I should never have doubted the wisdom of David W-S or the talent of Junior Dos Santos…and screw Dana White
LATE TAKEDOWN FTW
by Synyster_08 on Aug 26, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
if GSP gave up that much weight you’d have to root for him. no choice
"Long shall we remember
He who walked the road of danger
Master of revenge
Death's no stranger
Blood and death lived on his sword
The god of war his only lord
Into the depths of hell
Go all he fell"
- Manowar hymn of the immortal warriors
by O damn he got caught on Aug 26, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
pierre would win easily
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by daniel worby on Aug 26, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
george thinks he has a chance.
brock, i was not impressed with your last performance.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 1 week till the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 26, 2010 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
LMAO!
Good to see ya back worbsy. And I agree, bring back gsp!! I guess we do get a whole season of TUF though…………
Blame Canada, Blame Canada, With all their hockey hullabaloo, And that bitch Anne Murray too, Blame Canada,Shame on Canada...............
is that enough though mate? we deserve an all GSP channel. 24/7
im here still man. i just read here mostly and do all my typing/venting on mine n kevs site
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by daniel worby on Aug 26, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
This will ensure that UFC 121 will do over a million buys. Tito will help a bit, but he will not be high lited. Brock will sell this fight, but the new superstar in Cain wil lbe born Saturday night. I cant F U C K I N G wait!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shogun will have the longest championship reign in the UFC
Not happening anytime soon
Brock was mercilessly beaten into a fetal position and allowed to recover. There’s no way the money machine is letting their payday lose. I’m not saying it’s 100% fixed, but I think the refs are “sensitive” to certain needs and some fighters are given more leeway.
Recover from what LOL He was blocking 90% of the shots and aware what was going on
When the ref told him to move he did and thats why it wasn’t stopped he was inteligently defending himself no materr how you state his position that fact does not change.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Yeah, the refs that don't work for Dana or the UFC really care about how much money Brock is making Zuffa
How did you figure it out?
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
That’s a weak argument. People fix NBA games and those players don’t have a clue. People fix horse races and those horses aren’t in on it. Boxing? Nobody has ever fixed a boxing match? How hard is it to have somebody whisper to the ref “we need brock to win this, just give him all the time you possibly can if he’s in trouble” and hand him an envelope?
LMAO!! Yeah sure and Brock took 47 clean shots from Carwin, on top of that the ref didn’t stop it because the plan was for Brock to win LOL You realize how thats sounds? It was fixed and the shots Carwin through were just to make it exciting LMAO!!
I think you should stop sniffing the Pam
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I don’t get where you’re coming from. That’s how a fixed fight works. No matter how many punches land the ref isn’t going to stop it. If I’m the ref and I know I’ll get $50,000 cash if Lesnar wins do you think I’d stop it for any amount of punches? Like basketball refs. We need the Celtics to win, so I call extra fouls on whoever they’re playing and let the elbows from the Boston players slide. I’m not making the free throws for them, but I can give them more chances to do it themselves. I can’t take the punches away, but I can give you all the time in the world to get yourself out of that jam.
No matter how many punches land the ref isn’t going to stop it.
I don’t care who you are more than 5 clean Carwin shots your out and the fight would not continue regardless.
The ref is trained to identify a KO usually the limbs go numb, it’s retarded to stop the fight just becasue a fighter is throwing punches they need to be doing damage and only a handfull did.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
No that was a weak argument
Go watch the fight again. Put it on mute so Rogan cannot sell you on the “bombs” carwin lands and you will see that not only were most of Carwins shots hitting Lesnars arms, he was actually missing totally with a lot of them, and Lesnar was happy to stay down there and move everytime the ref told him to. You can just watch Carwin starting to gas.
It is just like people claiming that Fedor had Werdum rocked before he lost when it is obvious that Werdum faked Fedor to the ground.
You know where I think I get hung up? When Carwin backs up to the center of the cage and Brock is still limp. The second he backed up you’d think Brock would be scrambling to get out of that position. You can call it a game plan if you want, but I find it hard to believe Brocks game plan was to play rope a dope with possibly the heaviest hitter in the UFC. At that point though who knows, because there is definitely no arguing Carwin was gassed and fading fast.
Yeah Brock wanted the fight on the ground and Carwin didn't
Thats why he never went to mount Brock and take his time. The smartest thing Carwin could of done instead of throwing a bunch of haymakers is back up and make the ref stand Brock up were Carwin was dominating. But should of could of would of is all Carwin has right now. I believe he will climb back up and we will see #2.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Definitely will be a #2
Why would Lesnar scramble to get out of position that he was taking very little damage in while his oppoonent was obviously breathing open mouthed and weakening. Staying right there is what a true fighter…… no wait a BJJ fighter would actually do. LOL
I’ll agree with that 100%. When Carwin backed up he should have waited for the ref to stand Brock back up.
Yes.
If he made a mistake, a true mistake, it was in blowing his load while Lesnar was on the ground. It was right of him to follow up and try to finish, but when it became obvious that wasn’t happening, he should have forced a standup where he had an apparently decisive advantage.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
I watched it with my wife who is an avid Brock hater
I thought it was so awesome when she was screaming at the T.V. Let him up! Let him up you idiot!
I am a lucky man.
My girlfriend was gripping me too tightly to speak.
When Brock got up, she jumped to her feet and was speaking some dialect I couldn’t understand. I’m pretty sure she was cheering for Brock..then when Brock got full mount, she knew it was over.
And she was kinda pulling for Carwin before the fight started.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
I disagree. Curled up into a ball is not defending yourself. Just like the pics you see of little kids hiding under a desk during the cold war days, they’re not defending themselves, they’re praying they don’t die.
Brock blocking 90% of the strikes proves your wrong, there is no argueing that.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
There would be no argueing if it were actually 90%. We can definitely argue the 90% unless you have a link to the compustrike numbers or whatever system they use now. You know what can’t be argued? Brock didn’t throw a punch from the 4:00 minute mark until past the 2:00 minute mark. No sub attempts. Just “please stop hitting me” arm flailing. Saying that going fetal is blocking is like saying closed guard is a take down defense.
Brock stood it back up around the 4:00 mark and threw a pretty nice knee from the clinch.
Don’t have the video available, but he also threw a nasty leg kick from the bottom ~3:30.
Brock out-foxed Carwin…and I think that’s the part that pisses people off the most. That he’s not just some meat-headed mega-jock, which is how most of his detractors are comfortable thinking of him.
Cognitive dissonance. It is a bitch!
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
This same guy will say that Anderson dominated Chael with that sub.
It’s easiest to just learn who the dumbasses are and skip their posts. I have just added Thugjitsu on my list.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
Shouldn’t I be the guy saying the fight should have been stopped? If you want to compare the two wouldn’t it make more sense to compare Anderson’s lucky sub to Brock’s lucky sub and compare Chael dominating the fight until he got subbed to Carwin dominating the fight until he got subbed? Wouldn’t that make more sense given the angle I’ve approached this from?
Dominating the ROUND not the fight Thugz
A championship fight is five rounds Carwin dominated round one and Brock dominated round two the difference is Brock finished the fight.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
He attempted the takedown three or four times and almost had Carwin once
One of the biggest reason besides punching that Shane gased so early witch by the way was mostly Brocks arms, but anyway Brock did not want to get in a striking match against Carwin I think the stats showed 16 total strikes for Brock and Carwin had 61 and thats being smart Brock and msot fans understood he needed to get Carwin to the ground. Just becasue you throw 60 wild strikes and the only ones that connected cleanly were a few when standing and the elbows on the ground just go watch the fight and see every strike was partially defended or totally defended it doesn’t take any stats to prove that just watch.
Just becasue you don’t like the style doesn’t mean it’s wasn’t effective becasue it was no one hits harder than Carwin in MMA and no one lasted past the first round against him. If he would of defended in another style maybe Carwin would of connected cleanly on more of his shots? Who know the end result is besides the cuts from the elbows Brock face looked pretty good.
And in the end he made Carwin tap merci.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
http://www.compustrike.com/stats_files/ufc_116/Lesnar-Carwin.HTM
Carwin landed over 60% of his strikes when they were on the ground. 47 out of 77? That’s 47 punches from Carwin in around 2 minutes (that’s about how long they were down there) with no answer from Brock. Just “blocking” lol. That’s one punch every 3 seconds give or take.
Doesn't your point only make Brock's chin even more impressive?
If Carwin actually landed that many shots, shouldn’t Brock have looked like this?
He got a cut, and a bunch of bruising, but he was still completely in the fight.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
That one soesn't show how many were partially blocked
Noboday including Brock could take 47 of Carwins punches and it doesn’t take a genius to figure that out.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
That's kind of my point.
Doesn’t it make you stop and reconsider the numbers if they show that Carwin landed 40+ shots cleanly?
Because if he actually DID land that many, Brock would look like the above pic today.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
Not ClEANLY go watch the fight, if your really that ignorant and think someone can take 40 clean Carwin shots there is no point debating with you LOL?!
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Puck
misterjonz is agreeing with you. There’s nothing to debate. LOL
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
This one fell down and was suppose to be directed at thugs
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Yeah, but it is hard to keep everything straight when the blood is up.
Thanks for clarifying for me, jay.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
Is there any other fighter in UFC history that took 47 punches inside a 2 minute span, never returned a single punch, never attempted a submission, and didn’t have the fight stopped? No. Just like there is no other fighter in UFC history that has gotten a title shot witha 1-1 record. You guys talk shit about Strikeforce giving losers title shots. Brock beat Heath Herring and got a title shot. That’s it. Nobody else. Just 1 single win over Heath Herring got him a title shot. After he lost to Mir of course.
WOW 47 punches from Carwin and he's not dead LOL
Whatever you want to believe anyone that watched the fight more than once realize most of those strikes were blocked and did very little damage no matter how you tr and phrase it.
Once agin I’ll refresh your memory, just try remember please? Brock got lucky at the time he entered the UFC Mir and NOG were signed to fight after the TUF season that they were doing at the time Randy and Brock fought, JDS didn’t want to be involved in the title piture because NOG was, Herring was coming off a win over Kongo and Kongo just beat CC when fans and media still believed that CC was in the picture so there really was nobody else and Brock was one of the most deserving. And he has proved it as well so bringing up the fact he didn’t just makes you sound like a hater Thug.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
do you understand the purpose of referees stopping fights?
It’s so the fighters don’t take unnecessary damage when they can’t intelligently defend themselves. Brock never stopped defending himself, and he came back to win in impressive fashion. How can you argue the fight should have been stopped? Of course the ref is going to give the fighter more opportunities to recover in a title fight, nobody wants to see the belt won on a questionable stoppage.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
by TheGreg on Aug 26, 2010 3:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not only did he intelligently defend
But after he let Carwin blow his load so to speak he was back on his feet for about a minute of the first round.
Just a Lesnar hater and that is ok. Just making himself sound ignorant.
I give all the credit in the world to Brock but are you suggesting that Brock took all the punches in a Machiavellian plan to let Carwin gas himself out? Please clarify.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I am saying
That many of those punches either didnt land or were partially blocked and it was obvious watching the fight that Carwin was weakening every punch he threw. How many times have BJJ fighters taken a beating to get into position. We call those guys smart. Same should be said for Lesnar.
Ok, so in a roundabout way you are stating that Brock took a beating to get into position. Good God, ASR, you really are the blindest Brock nuthugger on this site. I hope you don't empty a bullet into your brain if he loses again.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Nuthugger or not,
he’s actually echoing what Brock himself said his thought process was in the immediate aftermath of the fight. It’s also fairly obvious that this was close to reality, just from watching the ebb and flow of the fight.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
Really? Then Brock is full of shit. No fighter takes a beating on purpose against one of the heaviest handed HW's in the division. And the only things that were obvious : Brock has atrocious stand up and Carwin has an atrocious gas tank.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Read my post below if you're not clear on how the thought process
works out. You’re making a straw man here, with the whole ‘takes a beating on purpose’ crap. He made the most of a terrible situation, and halfway through it realized the danger wasn’t as dire as he originally thought, so he modified his gameplan.
It’s not like Brock’s never been in a tough contest in his life. He knows what it’s like to have to outlast someone. That’s what happened.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
I think you are in love with the straw man analogy because this is not the first time you have used it. Either way, my responses are a direct rebuttal to yours and are not a manufactured response to stray away from the original point.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I think you are in love with the straw man analogy because this is not the first time you have used it.
Perhaps you have heard Russian epic of Cinderella?
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
Pseudo intellectuals use obscure retorts to deflect an inability to advance their failed point of view.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Failed point of view?
“I think you are in love with the straw man analogy because this is not the first time you have used it.”
Since you imply your intelligence is so much more evolved than Misterjonez I am sure you understand that a retort is a response to an argument that is used sharply which he did not do.
I would bet that you were looking for the word fallacy which is what the straw man analogy actually is.
“Really? Then Brock is full of shit. No fighter takes a beating on purpose against one of the heaviest handed HW’s in the division”
His hands did not look nearly as heavy (I will point out that being my opinion as to not send you into another tissy about me being able to read people’s minds) after the first few shots. He really did not take that much of a beating, I have seen much worse delivered to BJJ guys in order for them to go for a sub (again my opinion).
“Good God, ASR, you really are the blindest Brock nuthugger on this site. I hope you don’t empty a bullet into your brain if he loses again.”
I actually fully expect him to loose to Overeem if they ever fight and would laugh about it. I do find it funny that people such as you will not give respect to the individual holding the HW title. Always pointing out what was wrong instead of just dealing with him holding the title. You seem to make proclaimations of knowing that there is no way Lesnar would of taken a few shots out of many to weaken his opponent…… almost like you are claiming to know what he was thinking. LOL
“Brock has atrocious stand up and Carwin has an atrocious gas tank. "
Only thing you said that has merit. At least there was something.
LOL
If I am a nuthugger you sure are a hater. Do yourself a favor and watch the fight again. Fighters know they are gonna get hit and if they are not taking much damage and their opponent is obviously weakening why not let the guy run his gas down.
I love how you cannot defend your position just insult the person saying it. Kinda sad really. I do think that Lesnar got tagged and went to the ground were he was either hoping to get a reversal or sub as he did go for an armbar or two and when he realized that Carwin was gassing why not stay.
He was obviously only the hardest hitting HW in MMA for a little bit otherwise he would of been able to pound Lesnar out.
Thanks, your quote was all I needed. Don't worry, I won't bother you again - as it is clear that you have now developed the ability to read Brock's mind while he was fighting:
“I do think that Lesnar got tagged and went to the ground were he was either hoping to get a reversal or sub as he did go for an armbar or two and when he realized that Carwin was gassing why not stay.”
LOL. GTFO.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I think only a moron would argue that Brock's entire gameplan
was to take the best Carwin could offer, wait for the lactic acidosis, then submit him in a display of his growing MMA game.
What I think most reasonable fans would accept as plausible (if not downright obvious) is that after Lesnar felt Carwin’s power on the feet, he decided he didn’t want the fight to be on the feet. And that after he felt Carwin’s power slipping a notch with each flurry, he decided that he’d already survived the worst of it, and absorbing/slipping/deflecting the ensuing barrage wasn’t likely to be a dire tactic, so he ran with it.
He made the most out of a bad situation, and came out the victor. The parallels between the Lesnar/Carwin fight and the Sonnen/Silva fight are too obvious. I do think one was a helluvalot wider than the other (Sonnen/Silva) but the story was essentially the same. Utter domination for the beginning of the fight, followed by the champion doing what champions do: reach down deep, outlast his opponent, and win in stunning fashion.
I’m a Chael mark through and through, but even I admit that Anderson’s win was impressive in more ways than one. People should try to look at things objectively every now and then, but I guess if we did that regularly, there wouldn’t be as much writing on the internet.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
Really? Then Brock is full of shit. No fighter takes a beating on purpose against one of the heaviest handed HW’s in the division. And the only things that were obvious : Brock has atrocious stand up and Carwin has an atrocious gas tank.
First off Brock did not go to the ground the way he planned too, second off there is much much more we can take from this fight that is obvious. Brock has an amazing chin, Carwin has great takedown D, Brock has a little JJ added to his game…..But haters like to hate and will always see the bad? Brocks heart, chin and improvement on the ground were showcased and this is after being out of action for a year were man ythought he would be the reason he wouldn’t be as good as he should and maybe he wasn’t?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Yes. We agree, Puck. Brock did NOT go to the ground in the way he planned. That was my only argument. Period. And you know I have given Brock credit for his other traits.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I am a hater
I’m going to argue against Brock no matter what he does, he’s still not proven in my mind. A split with Mir doesn’t prove anything to me just because he had the last win. A win over an old ass Randy half his size doesn’t mean much to me either and neither does Herring. I’ll give him credit for the Carwin win even though I think he had help. With a fight of that magnitude I can see the refs giving extra time, so maybe my bias is a factor there. If he can beat Cain and whoever is next I’ll absolutely give him all the credit in the world.
I’m going to argue against Brock no matter what he does, he’s still not proven in my mind.
Now thats better, hate usually = ignorance so I see where opinions are coming through.
If he can beat Cain and whoever is next I’ll absolutely give him all the credit in the world.Contradicts above statement but honestly for how many fights he has fought and what he is able to do I can’t see why all the hate when he has beat some of the best with only 6 fights under his belt that should be praised not hated.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Why would you not give him credit now
Who do you give credit to. Who do you think they should make Lesnar hand the belt over to as they are deemed more credible by you.
You got me
I can’t really think of an answer to that. At this point it is what it is. I don’t think he should have been fast tracked to the title the way he was but if I had to say take it away and give it to somebody else I couldn’t make a case for any one fighter over another.
And after he does beat Cain and whoever is next?
JDS is next and you not knowing that shows just how much we should listen to your opinion.
I did know JDS was next. We knew that after he beat Nelson. That doesn’t mean he’ll fight him. Big Nog was Mir’s next fight, right? What happened there?
Uhhh
NOG had to pull out of the fight due to injury. You sure you watch MMA?
No shit
I said Cain and whoever is next because JDS may not be next in 6 months from now. Just like Nog had to pull out, JDS could have to too. It’s a long time away. Who knows what happens between now and then. You’re just nit picking now. You going to correct my spelling next? Maybe punctuation and grammer as well?
I hear ya man
I love how you say your not really cursing and then curse in the next sentence though. Awesome!
Dont take it so personal. I respect the fact that you can have your own opinion about any fighter you want. I just think that opinion is based off of some sort of hate and therefore do not find the argument valid.
Is it that you were upset when Lesnar left the WWE because you wanted him to make one more title run there?
I hate silver spoon bitch boys who never worked for a damn thing in thier lives. Not saying that’s Brock, I know about the farm days and stuff, but getting a title shot at 1-1 is the UFC equivilent of a silver spoon. He got a title shot beacuse of who he was, not what he’s done. Then he said some stupid stuff, acted like a fool, and ended up on my ‘hope he loses’ list.
I don’t take anything I read on the internet from somebody I’ve never met personal. I come here to talk shit with other mma fans. Some will know more than me, some will know less. Some will agree with me, some won’t. If we were all on the same page there would be nothing to talk about. My afternoon flew by, mission accomplihsed
And I like the fact that you're able to admit that you have a bias
against Lesnar for the reasons stated in the above posts. There’s nothing wrong with that. I dislike the Brazilians because they’re all the same, and they don’t push the pace as a group.
There is a very real criticism of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu players being far too passive and only capable of capitalizing on mistakes, rather than forcing the action the way they want it to go. There are a few examples of guys who break out of this mold (Palhares, Maia), but as a group they still need to improve their transitions.
Flip-side for the wrestlers is that they need to incorporate some more submissions into their games. It’s not about being conservative any more, it’s about picking methods of finishing which aren’t inherently risky. I’m biased for the wrestlers though, so I won’t bitch too often/loudly about them.
Biases are great, they’re what drive our opinions most of the time. It’s awesome that we can admit them before slinging Greek Fire at each other through the web.
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Amen
I’ll admit I can be won over as well. I’ll never be a true fan of Brock but I’ll admit he’s the real deal if he wins his next two fights. How could you not?
i'll say 1.2 million ppv's for this heavily hyped fight?
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 1 week till the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 26, 2010 6:37 PM EDT reply actions
Probably within the realm of realism.
Although Carwin/Brock was an easier monster to market due to the combined size spectacle, and Carwin being a real, honest-to-God unstoppable force leading up to the fight.
Still, they should be able to do this much if the advertise it heavily enough. The UFC has, however, had a sometimes odd track record for which cards they put the full might and force of their advertising arm behind.
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