Who poses a bigger threat to Brock Lesnar's UFC heavyweight title?
by Ponch-Hoe on Aug 24, 2010 3:33 PM EDT
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Is it Cain Velasquez or Junior dos Santos? Lesnar's Brazilian jiu-jitsu coach, Comprido, provides Tatame.com with a diplomatic response.
On Velasquez:
Of course I can’t tell you what the strategy to be used against Velasquez will be, but I see Cain trying to use his good shape in his favor, because he has a great conditioning and I believe he’ll try to move a lot, punch him, run, kick, and keep doing that while he runs on that octagon… Maybe he tries a single leg, and that’s what I see Velasquez doing. Of course that he can surprise us as well. He’s a more complete fighter than Carwin, but he doesn’t have the same catch ability, because Shane’s catch what absurd and Brock was the only one who handled him.
And on the possibility of "Cigano" down the road:
" I believe we have to give one step at a time. I watched Cigano’s fight and I think he’s an excellent athlete, there’s no way of him being a bad fighter on the ground, he’s doing Jiu-Jitsu for a long time and he trains along with the Nogueira brothers and Demian (mais), so for sure, he’s not a silly boy on the ground. Cigano has a heavy hand, he’s strong. UFC has the best heavyweight of the world, there’s no easy choice there, and Brock knows that. Who would imagine that Anderson would have a hard time or that BJ would lose his belt? The level is so high and everybody wants to beat Brock, who is the champion. I believe that he’ll win and will confront Cigano and it’ll be two hard fights… It’ll be great for people to watch."
Opinions, please.
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Nope I said it when he 1st won I give him 3 fights
1 mir
2 carwin
3 Velasquez
And the winner by tko Velasquez
by malito3og3 on Aug 24, 2010 3:58 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
LOL
Yeah and after Cain, you will say the same about JDS… Nope I said it when he 1st won I give him 4 fights
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
So he'll lose to JDS?
You just got your ass bumped to the back of the bandwagon.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
Jay read 1st comment then read mine notice the same statement twice with one minor tweak?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Oh I misunderstood
Ok welcome back to the front seat.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
and after jds it will be the same with the next guy. lesnar should just have a shirt that says deathclutch on one side and next on the other.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 10 days till the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 24, 2010 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I put yes! The best man to beat him is Carwin and I doubt he ever will. Brock (as much as I hate him) is just to big and strong!
A great wrestler, cardio, and out weighs every opponent = winner!
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
I dislike Brock as a human being but still consider him an effective fighter
That said, his hideous standup will be the death of him. I would like Cain to win both because I just plain like him more than I do Brock and because Cain-JDS could be a spectacular fight.
Anderson Silva will fall via brutal Republican dry-humping.
JDS/Cain Would be a spectacular fight
Maybe we’ll see it after Brock rapes both of them.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
I can see that happening but consider it unlikely
Brock just doesn’t have the standup nor the footwork to hang with those two.
Anderson Silva will fall via brutal Republican dry-humping.
He won't be using footwork or standup ever again probably
He’s a natural in the horizontal position, I imagine he’ll be stationed there the rest of his career. His stand up was atrocious and he has to know that. Wrestling submissions or decisions from here on out, IMO. I don’t find anything wrong with that, it is his strength.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
It may be his strength
But with Cain’s wrestling, he’s probably going to have to stand up sooner or later with him.
Junior’s hips and the speed with which he can get back up should also be cause for concern, as should uppercuts coming in.
Anderson Silva will fall via brutal Republican dry-humping.
I haven't seen any Junior fights where he was under a good wrestler, or anyone for that matter.
He’s just too small, friend. I agree he is uber-talented but Brock take shits bigger than Cain. And Brock’s shits finished better at the NCAA wrestling championships than Cain did.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
Yeah the quetion will be can JDS keep it standing? I doubt it.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I didn't notice that we were talking about JDS and Cain there.
But same answer for both. Too small. Size matters against Brock.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
Oops I ment to comment toward peseg below.
As far as Cain goes it will be interesting but what a lot of fans don’t understand is against NOG he did not have to worry about the takedown nearly as much as hewill against Brock and that allowed him to go out and throw haymakers were if he brings the same style and that has been his game he will be on his back.
I like the Tyson and Dana video from today, Tyson commented that when Cain seen that Brock won he looked a little timid and for good reason he knows Brock is the best wrestler he will ever face.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Mike Tyson said that?
It’s sealed then. Mike Tyson is the man.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
He stated something like the look on his face was ohh shit
I added for good reason…
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I just watched the Tyson vid.
Fricking BADASS. Mike looks good too. I swear they just did some lines when they cut out there for a minute.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
Very well could of he is riding the high life now
Not bad for someone that was suppose to be a statistic.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I was really happy to see Mike engaging and
fit. He was looking really happy to be talking about the ol’ days with Dana, and Dana looked to be a really gracious host.
I was really, really, really happy to see him looking like he’s got it under control again.
And yeah, that quote about Cain struck me as telling, also. If there’s one thing you could trust Mike Tyson’s judgment on, it’s whether or not a fighter is intimidated. God knows he’s seen the various faces of determined killers quaking in their boots, and probably wouldn’t have said anything unless he really believed it.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
Tyson is a fn loser! And dumb as nails!
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
Did you think of that all by yourself?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Cain's actually only about 15 pounds smaller than Brock this fight
As far as I know, Cain’s walking around at 250 or so and Brock’s staying at 265. Still a discrepancy but not unheard of in the modern age of ridiculous weight cutting.
With Junior, pure mobility will likely be the key; I believe he can dance around Brock and land killshots without opening himself up to takedowns thanks to his handspeed.
Brock definitely can simply steamroll the two; I just believe it will be difficult. Brock reacts poorly (runs straight back, hands up) when struck hard, and Junior, unlike Shane, is smart enough to work the body. I think the big right uppercut would decide that fight.
Anderson Silva will fall via brutal Republican dry-humping.
This is simply inaccurate:
Brock reacts poorly (runs straight back, hands up) when struck hard
Brock stood in the pocket against Mir and Randy, taking good shots from each and returning fire without hesitation. Once he got clipped and was concerned about accumulation of damage, he went for the TD.
Carwin is the only fighter he’s ever actively run away from, which was the only sane thing to do if you were getting hit by Shane. Will Cain have a striking advantage? Almost certainly, and it will be based on speed and accuracy. But I seriously doubt his shots will do much, if anything to Brock.
This will be a good wrestling match, and we’ll see who is better at MMA wrestling. It very well could be Cain, but I doubt it. This looks like a pretty solid decision win for Brock, unless he catches Cain early on and finishes while Velasquez is stunned.
All of that said, this is quite a gauntlet that Brock has to run. Without question, this group (Mir, Randy, Carwin, Cain and JDS) is the most talented group a HW has ever had to face to gain and retain the title. I do think the worst (Carwin) is behind him at this point, though.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
I keep thinking that Brock will have no problem taking Cain down, but maybe not.
If Randy had his way with Brock (in the wrestling department) than maybe Cain will too. If that is the case than Cain wins, esp since Cain has better cardio than Brock.
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
If it goes to a decision, Cain wins it
His pace and cardio are freakish. As far as trading with Mir and Randy, neither possess the power or speed of Cain.
Cain’s got the wrestling to stop Brock and the standup to pick him apart. Cain beats a gassed Brock by TKO in the fourth.
Anderson Silva will fall via brutal Republican dry-humping.
LOL
He is stacking the odds here.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
Stop loving Brock so much, Jay.
Sure. He’s an hell of a fighter, but he’s no god and JDS would destroy him.
Did you watch JDS's last fight? Are you just blinded by love?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Well, every fighter meets obstacles.
And JDS is not even my favourite fighter, so don’t make assumptions. I think JDS punched himself out and got confused over the fact that Roy wouldn’t get to sleep. He will learn from that fight.
peseg
Please consider this retribution for the years of Fedor craziness I had to endure. Brock is a god and I wrote a fan post about it to make it official.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
peseg
Those obstacles you speak of are called “good fighters” JDS didn’t look all that good in his first test against one. I hope he improves on that performance because Brock is a whole new ball game compared to Nelson. I like JDS.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
Of the top ten HW's in the UFC, Roy was the most credible, yet
“beatable” fighter JDS could face. It was a good deployment of Nelson, as far as Dana’s concerned. He transfers some of the credibility Nelson gained from TUF to the lesser-known JDS on his way to a title shot without testing JDS’ most likely weakness (wrestling).
I really like JDS, and if he went to train with Cro Cop for six months or so, I’d give him a good chance to stuff enough takedowns to make a good fight with Cain or Brock. As is, I see him getting pounded out by either guy.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
Roy Nelson is NOT a credible opponent. He is an overhyped, out of shape gatekeeper who beat Kimbo and KO'ed a couple of mediocre HW's to get his match with JDS. JDS outclassed him.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Nelson has fought a lot of top fighters and never been dominated.
He’s kind of in the Frank Mir territory right now. Good enough to be in there, but not good enough to actually win.
Nelson vs. Kongo and Nelson puts the moon belly on him early/often. Nelson is far more than a gatekeeper..unless you’re saying gatekeeper to the actual contender’s circle, then I’d probably agree.
He’s a bit like Forrest. Good enough to fight any of them, probably not good enough to beat any of the legit contenders/champions. Probably not good enough…
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
I also see Cain beating JDS. IMO 4 out of 5 times
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
I just don't see how JDS can win against Brock.
Will he hit harder than Carwin? Nope. JDS couldn’t put Nelson away with three rounds. JDS is good, but not great. Bottom of the elite HW’s in the UFC, but he’s the most exciting striker, so he’ll naturally get the most internet love.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
I won't cry
I’m a grown man.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
That I can't cry?
Or that I’m not a 16 year old boy for you to hit on?
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
LOL Grown men can cry.....can't they?
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
Haha. Why would I wan't to hit on a 16 year old boy? :)
I’m just teasing you. But it’s weird how much you love that freakshow of a man. Just saying.
I don't know, peseg, why would you want to hit on 16 year old boys? Sport, I guess.
I don’t love any other man. I like Brock and try to be as obnoxious when he is brought up as I possibly can. Fedor fans had this coming and I tried to warn them. I have gone full retard when Brock or Fedor is mentioned.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
Yeah there was 20+ fight experience difference
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Brock would MURDER Fedor!!!
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
The only way that would happen is if Fedor crushed him so fast that he died laughing.
Anderson Silva will fall via brutal Republican dry-humping.
anyone who doesnt own this like me is a damn sissy boy
the brockness monster grinds up teenagers and puts them in his protein shakes..and uses razor blades to chop toddlers up into lines to snort like meth...the reason no one can find bigfoot is because the brockness monster found him years ago and now has him in numerous ziplock bags in the back of his freezer...
Brock all the way.
No doubt Brocks standup is rather pathetic, but who’s going to stop him from taking them down?
Cain and JDS are both going to be over-powered by the size of Brock and there only chance is to try and land a good punch early.
It was shown that JDS has as much gas tank as Carwin so that will hurt him, but he is going to be more dangerous on his back.
Cain may have a chance if he can somehow bring Brock to the ground but once again, I can’t see it being enough.
Some good cage clinching into an eventual takedown and brock will finish them both within 2 rounds.
If you like GSP, you have to like Lesnar. Lesnar actually finishes fights.
Riding the Brock Train..
Ryan Ford is the real deal. Wait for the day he's in the UFC.
by D-MoB on Aug 24, 2010 10:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
i like gsp, and despise lesnar
Gsp,although a dominant wrestler, is very skilled in all areas, unlike brock…and also seems like a decent human being, unlike brock
Activia; now with bullshitifus ridicularus
by salamagogo on Aug 25, 2010 8:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
who thinks lesnar is gonna lose the belt?!?!?!?!?
the only threat he has is when and if (because of the steroids crap)carwin gets a rematch cause he will get there again and he gets his conditioning in check and doesnt blow his load in the 1rst ,thats just the way it is,lesnar is to damn powerful and with all the bombs he took and and fought on with,that belt isnt going anywhere soon.
Clearly Stand-Up Is What Dominates the Heavyweight Division
That’s why Mirko is riding a 10-match winning streak.
Wait….
The biggest threat between JDS and Cain is simple and that Cain
Who is more likely to keep it standing and that is without a doubt Cain and on the ground best chance for survival is Cain as well. JDS and Cain have a chance striking but I don’t think either pose a great risk of KO Brock out early so it will come down to who can avoid the clinch and takedown of Brock and Cain has the best chance. Not that it’s a good chance but the best between the two.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
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