UFC Quick Quote: Dana White hopes Randy Couture smashes James Toney
by James Kimball on Aug 24, 2010 3:43 PM EDT
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"Well, Toney has gotten in the best shape he's ever been in in about I don't know how many years. He's taken this a lot more seriously than he has his boxing career. One of the things with these boxers they have been doing it since they were little kids and how much can they learn? They start to get bored or lazy or whatever you wanna call it. So they don't train as hard. Toney has taken this serious. He's gotten in the best shape he's been in in years and this is going to be a very interesting fight. Anything can happen when two good guys go in there and start throwing punches, scrapping, and fighting. Anything can happen, but James Toney has knockout power in both hands, he's been one of the best and he's fought the best forever. Randy Couture has great wrestling and if you break down stats, James Toney doesn't have as many tools as Randy Couture has so Couture should win the fight. James Toney has talked so much smack I want to see him get smashed in this fight."
Never one to hide his true feelings, UFC President Dana White tells 790 The Zone in Atlanta (via SportsRadioInterviews) that he is hoping James Toney not only gets beaten by Randy Couture at UFC 118 this coming weekend, but gets beat down bad. It's no secret that James Toney and Dana White haven't exactly shared pleasantries through the media in the lead up to the August 28 showdown, but is it wise for the bossman of the promotion to be openly rooting against one of his fighters, even though it is "Lights Out?" Anyone at all bothered by this, or do you share Dana's sentiment about the outcome of this bout?
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newflash
everyone else wants to see randy smash james toney as well (with all apologies to danago of course)
Does the mustache make the man or does the man make the mustache?
Actually...
I know Randy will win via GnP, but I would love to see Toney land a nice crisp combo like Noons layed on Jorge Sat night.
I actually find Toney’s trash talk hilarious because I can’t understand any of it. From a purely entertainment standpoint, I hope James isn’t one and done after the loss to Couture.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
Dana compliments toney but the states he wants him smashed
Of coarse any media will highlight the insult. If what Dana say’s is true? I’m really looking forward to this no matter how some want to state that Toney was overrated and this and that in boxing is BS he was a great boxer but he was lazy too and his hands will be the best striking hands in MMA. Now once on the ground Toney is done but standing I’m excited to see what happens.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Whether Toney wins or losses
we should see more boxers coming into mma. If he wins we should see an increase sooner rather than later.
I’d love to see Haye fight in mma. I saw an interview where he says he has been training in mma for 5 years
Arm.bar.bandit saw me slow dancing with Anderson Silva. I had my hands on his ass.
Boxers in their physical prime and in shape - agreed 100%
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Won't happen until the money is right...
why fight mma when boxing (at the upper end) pays WAY more?
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
You are right but the elite in boxing salary $$$ is very few.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
every major champ above 147 is making close to a million per fight, if not more...
Get to Pacquiao/Mayweather money and ONE fight in boxing = 10X an MMA career.
Why shoot for the moon when you can reach the sun?
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
That's what I was thinking, Kevin. I need stats as to the percentage of boxers who make that kind of scratch. I would guess about 10% of the total - if that.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
And there is no longer a demand to see two overpaid boxers fight and this is what killing boxing
Two boxers receive 99% of the purse and the other boxers get 1% leaving crap fights? There is no organization and the advertisement and fans are dropping faster than Tito’s fans are!! There are a lot of good boxers out there but none of the top names wants to fight a young and upcoming boxer that would steal their fame so they get left in the dark and never heard of but thats what happens when you give the boxers and their management a guaranteed 20+ million!!!
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I know OJR
when I did my salary post, I believe it was crazy, like 80% of pro boxers have a day job. I’m a big fan of a set purse say (just to keep #‘s round) a million. winner gets 75% loser gets 25%. It makes for both fighters working their hardest, which I’m not convinced you get when 2 guys are guaranteed 50 million
I am not saying there is better pay, period, in boxing, but...
The incentive to box is greater because the highest end of the spectrum is unbelievably larger in boxing. If you win a major sanctioning body title in any weight above 140 ish, you will make more money than any MMA guy excepting Fedor and Lesnar.
It is not about the average salary because most of these guys, when young, believe that they will reach Mayweather money. Other wise they wouldn’t do it.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
good point
but in the same spectrum, most guys think all NFLers or NBAers make millions when in reality the average salary in a few 100k, and that average takes into account the guys making 100’s of millions. Reality is, the average pro career (in any sport) is under 3 years and only ur superstars are making 8 figures. Fact is it’s a pipe dream no matter what the sport!
I agree
But it doesnt stop kids from dreaming it. Hell, 3 years ago I had the conversation with my nephew who thought he was big shit on his HS team. I told him not only did he have to be the best player on his team, by a mile, he had to be better than everybody in the conference to even have a chance at the NFL. And he played in a league that put some notable guys in the NFL so he played in a good league. Ricky Waters, Jon Rtichie, Kyle Brady, etc. He just joined the Navy.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
Really Haye been training mma for five years?
Interesting…
Never tell your problems to anyone...20% don't care and the other 80% are glad you have them.
by Jamie The Peach Hunter on Aug 24, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope toney wins too! and ktfo randy
by candyce (formerly known as gaara) on Aug 24, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm with you two.
F Randy.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
jay! what u think of kenny vs gray?
by candyce (formerly known as gaara) on Aug 24, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
That's the one fight that I can't pick yet. I want to post my picks in Mac's pool so I don't forget,
But I can’t wrap my head around that one fight. What you thinking? Kenny hasn’t fought a good wrestler in a long time, do you think he can keep it standing?
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
i think yes! kenny is hard to take down and even if gray manages to take kenny down..he is very active from there...
i might be stupid but i see kenny opening up the bully’s head with elbows from the buttom…
by candyce (formerly known as gaara) on Aug 24, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
That's exactly what I'm thinking. Even if it goes down, Kenny will open hm up and maybe get a doctor stoppage.
I’m probably going with Kenny anyway but Gray is a sumbitch that could screw my picks up.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
wer on the same boat with this fight then...
too bad i dont see kenny beating bj…
by candyce (formerly known as gaara) on Aug 24, 2010 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Kenny won't be fighting BJ again
That fight is unnecessary.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
I don't know jay
He worked his way back up the ladder and deserves another shot more than Sonnen does in my opinion. GSP got rolled his first fight against Hughes the second fight GSP owned Hughes. If fans said the same about GSP because of his firt performance and we never got to see 2 that would of sucked. Kenny if he wins is the #1 contender in my opinion?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
he can't beat BJ
but have to agree with Puck (as much as I wish u were right Jay), he has worked his way up!
I'm not looking past maynard though
And I agree that BJ would beat Kenny again but Kenny would have the best chance out of any LW next in line. If BJ moves up to WW I think he needs a dominating win otherwise he should defend the LW belt two more times at least?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Cant Wait
After a long week of work Im looking forward to some UFC. I feel like these events are taking longer and longer to get here. Anyway would love to see James Toney win this fight JUST because of how many other interesting fights this could set up.
Toney vs Dos Santos, Toney vs Rampage if he loses the wieght Toney vs Carwin fuck it why not.
The man that doesnt fall, Doesnt Stand
Fuck u Fedor haters
by The real ZACK on Aug 24, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
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If my employees were openly talking shit about me, I would fire back for sure.
Then I would fire them.
To be the best you gotta be one crazy son of a bitch…and that’s the truth - BJ Penn
by BNF on Aug 24, 2010 2:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
what if the employee
was about to make you millions
-It's Better To Be Judged By Twelve Than Carried By Six-
(In the name of the SouthCaliStunNa, amen)
by *Californication* on Aug 24, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Everybody is replaceable.
If he does get destroyed by Randy, don’t you think he will get cut?
To be the best you gotta be one crazy son of a bitch…and that’s the truth - BJ Penn
He'll quit, they won't need to cut him.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
that would be a great ending! (mma legend's career ended by a retired boxer )
by candyce (formerly known as gaara) on Aug 24, 2010 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
We were talking about Toney.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
jeez wtf! what am i smoking??
by candyce (formerly known as gaara) on Aug 24, 2010 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought I read Toney has a boxing match set up already for the fall
so I’m guessing the mma thing wasn’t a serious venture as UFC contracts are usually exclusive (unless I misread the boxing report).
He did say this was not the last time he'd fight in MMA..
Probably will be the last fight he’ll be in the UFC, though.
Unless he wins, that is….
The UFC is not a typical business
Does your company do press conferences on any of it’s employee’s?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
He ain't gonna change now
Dana White isn’t one to bite his tonhue and if he doesn’t want Toney to win he’s gonna say it. No way to change it, you just have to accept that he isn’t a big whig that is gonna run things behind the scenes. He’s going to comments to promote the fight and get media attention. It’s actually smart. Just the simple fact that we are talking about this right now proves that he is a wise businessman.
If Randy tries to stand...
…he’ll fall but if Toney gets taken down it “lights out” for the former boxing superstar now turned mushmouthed blubber gut.
by lionjack@sbcglobal.net on Aug 24, 2010 2:59 PM EDT reply actions
lol
-It's Better To Be Judged By Twelve Than Carried By Six-
(In the name of the SouthCaliStunNa, amen)
by *Californication* on Aug 24, 2010 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
we all know toney is more than likely going to lose this fight. hopefully the ufc will match james up w/ pat barry or crocop for his second fight
Can he keep it standing? Chances are no but if he can his chances are great.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Randys getting raped in this fight
Toney just fucking insane, dudes a beast. I’m telling you guys right now, Toney will ko Randy. I’ll leave this site I’f he doesn’t, but I know he will
Does that include all your names are just the above two LOL
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
my fault....
i actually just keep his gems in a file for later reference….didn’t mean to parrot him. though, that’s not a bad idea….
Why do you keep his gems in a file?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
writing a thesis on trolls....
lol i find it entertaining to see all the contradictory claims laid out. and once i get enough data i’ll be able to timeline the evolution of “kid” into “son” and so forth….and i get bored at work…don’t judge
holy shit
i await it.
-It's Better To Be Judged By Twelve Than Carried By Six-
(In the name of the SouthCaliStunNa, amen)
by *Californication* on Aug 24, 2010 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Magical - you better not tease. Make that happen!
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
anybody.
who watches this fight with a clear mind and is not a big fan of Dana & the UFC’s business model (which i’m totally not) wants to see James Toney light Randy Couture up !
I think it’s extremely unproffessional by Dana to make statements like this and it certainly brings a huge question mark on the legitimacy of the UFC, it doesn’t deserve to be called a sport when u run your business like that IMHO!
your mother !
What do you mean?
Did you read everything Dana said or did you just look at the title?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
lol a bit extreme
brings a huge question mark to the legitimacy of the UFC??
nahhh
"I knew i ‘urt ‘im, when he said argh" – GSP
by Rampagelangford on Aug 24, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I read it.
and it is true what i’m saying, he basically admits to setting this fight up to see Toney get smashed b/c he said some words to Dana? this is not one of the first times he’s done this, he likes to set fights up left and right based on who he likes and dislikes and if that is how you run your business you are never going to find out who the best is and it is not a fair competition that anything called a sport is.
your mother !
If someone is the "best" they will be recognized as such. How does Dana have anything to do with that?
To be the best you gotta be one crazy son of a bitch…and that’s the truth - BJ Penn
Read again I'll paste it for you
….best shape he’s been in in years and this is going to be a very interesting fight. Anything can happen when two good guys go in there and start throwing punches, scrapping, and fighting. Anything can happen, but James Toney has knockout power in both hands, he’s been one of the best and he’s fought the best forever
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
ok..
are you blind or are you dana white? “James Toney has talked so much smack I want to see him get smashed in this fight”
your mother !
YeahToney stated he wanted to knock Dana out after he KO Couture
It’s more hype than anything but your reading way to deep into the hype.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
blatant corruption? Are you on drugs man what corruption are you talking about?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
fixing fights everybody that knows anything understand the advantage and disadvantage of this fight there is nothing fixed about it.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Roberto you never cease to amaze me
so Dana saying I HOPE Randy wins now equals corruption? He didn’t pay judges or pay Toney to take a dive, he said he hopes he loses. Thats as much corruption as David Stern hoping for a celtics/lakers final for tv ratings. it’s called wishful thinking
How about Coker paying Dan to come knock off Shields LOL that back fired.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
thats basically more corrupt than what Roberto is talking about
Dana stays neutral 99% of the time, but Toney literally threatened him, I can’t blame him for wanting Randy to win, but corruption? Corruption would imply Dana is paying Toney to lose, that couldn’t be further from the truth
He's a conspiracy theorist
I like his crazy paranoid posts.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
me too
light up another and keep em coming
-It's Better To Be Judged By Twelve Than Carried By Six-
(In the name of the SouthCaliStunNa, amen)
by *Californication* on Aug 24, 2010 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Everyone gets all offended by Roberto. I like his theories and way he always questions the US way of doing things, even if he’s never been anywhere near the country.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
huh?
cmon Roberto, now it’s not a sport. Some would question you as a fan for constantly defending Tito!
Yes, Roberto. Exactly.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Bellator is good and I think down the road will take SF as the #2 org, but the UFC is by far the best!
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Really?
Then why is Roger Huerta fighting for the title when Toby Imada got robbed by the judges and still made if further than him? Bellator was expecting Huerta to win the LW tournament and when he didn’t they leaped at the chance to set up the fight they wanted from the beginning.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
Yeah true but every org does that even the UFC sometime....ok you got me there but look at SF they do it all the time and let their champions go with no fight?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I completely understand it.
I just think it’s ridiculous to chastise the UFC while extolling the virtues of Bellator when they are both clearly motivated by putting on marketable fights. If Bellator just wanted free competition then they would have given their title holders legitimate competition in their non-title fights instead of protecting them with easy wins to increase exposure. I really like Bellator too, but I’m not going to protend they have more noble intentions or practices than the UFC.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
Roberto and Worby are Dana haters thats why they sound foolish but it's just hate they are smarter than that usually?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
no i like Dana. I just prefer to watch sports. the whole world is getting influenced by hollywood and Dana is taking full advantage of just that in making a sport a joke.
your mother !
How so Roberto? I think your paranoid thats all one of those conspiracy theories
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Bellator is an example of MMA as a pure sport as it is growing as an org. I am sure that Bellator will eventually merge entertainment with sport - but at this time Roberto is correct.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
How so what does Bellator do that is so much greater than the UFC
The UFC is much better quality and even fights
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I agree. We are talking about freak matches. Toney vs. Randy.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
A pro boxer vs a MMA fighter now thats something all longtime MMA fans wanted to see and the UFC is giving it to us?
Freak fight in a good way.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Roberto - I take things for what they are nowadays. UFC is a mixture of sport and entertainment. I don't like it myself : i.e. - Kimbo Slice but it is unavoidable with the UFC's rise in popularity.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
I respect that he's open about it.
Dana has repeatedly trashed freak show fights and this clearly qualifies. However, if he were to try and spin this as legitimate then I would have a problem with it, by being honest about exactly what’s going on I think he maintains credibility. And even though he signed Kimbo Slice, he did exactly what he said he would with him. He made him go through TUF and when he showed he couldn’t cut it in the UFC he dropped him instead of continuing to make money off him like he easily could have.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
That's fine but he still went through with it. And he had to come clean as most MMA hardcore fans are anything but stupid.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
yeah! how can a president of a promotion hope for one certain fighter to win? this is beyond me..
by candyce (formerly known as gaara) on Aug 24, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I say more times than not does he hope for certain fighters to win which brings us to the real problem, the matchmaking. If you want a fighter to win it’s easy to fix with the matchmaking, just like in boxing and any inofficial exhibition type crap! that’s why i say fuck Randy, Go James!
buona sera.
your mother !
I wish Dana would quit now, he's done all he can do for MMA.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
He is much better than Coker jay
What has he done? We don’t even know who’s fighting in the next event and has pretty much no control over any of his fighters.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
yeah! how can a president of a promotion hope for one certain fighter to win? this is beyond me..
When a fighter says he’s going to knock you out(Dana) after he knocks Couture out what do you expect but in all honesty you guys/gals read to much into the hype LOL
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
you are too stupid to realize that you are the homo that’s reading too much into the hype.. what James Toney said is something Dana shouldn’t even respond to and certainly not by saying this, cause this confirms what everybody already knew, he set this fight up to embarass Toney and make himself look good and make good money, just as pathetic as any old boxing promotor.
your mother !
No your wrong Roberto Dana has wanted a good boxer in MMA for years
Yes he is cheering for the MMA fighter over a pure boxer, after all the things boxers have stated Dana called them out and Toney is the first good boxer to accept and Dana gave him credit. He would love for more boxers to come but he first wants to prove that MMA fighters are for real and if you fight in MMA you need more than jsut striking and most MMA fans would agree.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Roberto, you're a first-rate comedian.
Why people argue with you is beyond me. You’re hilarious! Seriously. You are the Andy Kaufman of MMA Mania.
by MMACrossfire on Aug 24, 2010 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
It's true
I don’t think he believes any of the crazy shit he says. He’s Hella Hectic with a straight face.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
Thanks for telling me assholes
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
haha!
-It's Better To Be Judged By Twelve Than Carried By Six-
(In the name of the SouthCaliStunNa, amen)
by *Californication* on Aug 24, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
That Roberto is a troll?
Are you blind?
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
Yeah I was blinded, but I was multi tasking with work for most of it.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
thanks mmacrossfire.
of course i believe what i’m saying but I’m bright enough to realize and look past it. most people are so in denial and in love with the UFC almost to the point where you would hear ppl denying the fact that Shane Carwin is a roider even though he got busted, the UFC is not a paradise and Dana is no saint like most fans would have u believin b/c they like the fights so much.
your mother !
for the record, I think carwin is a roider
but when did he “get busted?”
he got mentioned in a court case against a lab, but I don’t remember him getting busted!
he’s about as “busted” as GSP, who by the way I also think roids!
weve all but confirmed that (GSP)
-It's Better To Be Judged By Twelve Than Carried By Six-
(In the name of the SouthCaliStunNa, amen)
by *Californication* on Aug 24, 2010 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
well, that is the best way to expose roiders these days, by getting the doctors/labs.
for proffessional athletes to even be in contact with ppl like that is illegal.
your mother !
how so Roberto
I am really interested how being in contact with someone is illegal? I’m not even being a dick, ur theories/opinions facinate me!
ppl with certain ties and all kinds of things that would lead to suspicion are not given a green light in the real battle against steroids/corruption/cheating in sports.
your mother !
What?
I have read your post 4 times and have no idea what you are talking about. Roberto, I love it.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
Yeah but by the sounds of it 80%+ of MMA fighters have or still do.
There was comments that all the Pride fighters did, but back then it was more entertainment than sport?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
You don't believe a word you're typing, Roberto.
… that’s why I get such a kick out of it. Nobody — and I mean nobody — could possibly write that stuff without shooting milk out his nose.
by MMACrossfire on Aug 24, 2010 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions
hope karma bites dana's ass big time...
toney via career ending ko
by candyce (formerly known as gaara) on Aug 24, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Why bother RoBerto?
I completely agree with you on this matter. Unfortunately, 99% of the people on here have Dana’s cock shoved so far down their throats that become blinded to what is REALLY going on in the sport they love so much. Try explaining this to them and all of a sudden you are a “conspiracy theorist”. Fuck’em, let the blind remain blind. Eventually the truth will be so blatant, that only a complete fucking moron will not be able soak it in.
" Its a good thing you look good in that suit, cos that's all you're gonna be doing - wearing a suit."
I'd agree if it made sense
how is wanting someone who has basically stalked you and threatened you to lose corrupt?
CORRUPT would be Dana paying Toney to lose, he’s just hoping he loses. This is the first time I’ve ever heard Dana actually pick who he wants to win a fight. Is it wrong as a promoter? Sure, but is it corrupt? Not any more corrupt as Coker paying Henderson a shit load of money hoping he beats Shields!
it makes all the sense in the world. how can u possibly take the business the ufc runs seriously?
they’ve set up a playground where they can get away with everything.
1st , they’ve got matchmaking, big no-no.
2nd, Dana saying he wants fighter a to beat fighter b one time is enough + this is not the first time, he’s sent many fighters he’s had disputes with right down the toilet hoping to see them lose.
3. Friends like stephan bonnar, chuck liddell, randy couture, brock lesnar and so on get all the oppurtunities in the world that other fighters wouldn’t b/c he likes them and b/c they are popular with the fans.
4. guys like yushin okami are put on hold b/c they are boring.
then to top it off lorenzo is involved in the casino business, and was a commissioner on the nsac.. what’s worse is that the tools sitting in all these commissions and stuff like that have no real scoring rules and horrible judges/refs.
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LOL, this one was half coherent
1.Matchmaking is a no-no? How do you think any boxing does it? Do you think they draw numbers out of a hat or have a scheduled season? You make the matches the fans want to see. If I pay for PPV’s I want to see the fights I want to see. If I feel like seeing BJ Penn go up a division and fight for the belt without winning a contenders match or even having to make that weight in his previous fight, I want to see it. Do you think the UFC would be around long not listening to the fans? We decide who fights whom. Not some rankings, because Frankly, I won’t pay to see John Fitch headline a PPV against GSP every 6 months.
2.Dana can have his favorites. He doesn’t have any effect on the outcome of their fight, so he can choose to root for his friend of 12 years if he so chooses. He isn’t a ref or a judge, he does not need to be impartial. Hell, he can pay Randy 50,000 extra in front of the cameras right after the fight and people will applaud Dana for his generousity.
3.They sell. This shouldn’t need to be explained to you. This actually ties in with number 4. Guys like Chuck, Brock are given oppurtunities because they are padding Dana’s pockets. These guys are making the money and have fans so they get special treatment. It’s no different than an incentive or bonus at work. Yushin is boring, he won’t sell so Dana doesn’t want him headlining. It is business. McDonalds doesn’t advertise their napkins because people don’t care about napkins and they don’t care about Yushin either.
Lorenzo WAS a part of the commission, he quit after the UFC was sanctioned in Nevada. That was shady. You’re 12 years late on that complaint though.
NEXT
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
Jay... dude... please.
He’s laughing with each response. I meant it when I said he’s the Andy Kaufman of MMA Mania.
by MMACrossfire on Aug 24, 2010 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I couldn't care less if the ufc weren't around if they didn't listen to the "fans". real sport fans supports a sport not a spectacle.
ok, so you wouldn’t watch if they skipped the matchmaking and ran it like a true sport where they follow a ranking system, schedule and all that? even if it was on on free tv or on some tv network.
you just gave all of the examples that they followed and promoted in boxing and failed so miserably with. Dana is doing exactly the same thing and you just admitted it.
do the opposite of everything you said today in boxing and it would be much better. people wanna see the best compete and it’s all about finding out who the best is for the athletes, it’s a competition.
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who cares if it's boring? maybe the ppl in america does, but soccer is still the world's biggest sport and it's considered boring in the US?
this is why all of the purest sports exists outside of USA today. when it gets big in USA it’s all about celebrity status and “business” everything is a spectacle.
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dec3ptiKon tell Roberto he can stop sucking, nothing he has stated states proves anything is corrupt. Either your cheering for toney or Randy were the corrupt comes from is just pure UFC hate. Yes I love MMA and the UFC is the Pinnacle if there was no UFC this site probally would not be here. If you want to hate on the UFC go to Sherdog please, you and Lorretta Kunt would get along but not on here were MMA fans don’t buy BS.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
The UFC has great fighters
Which is why I watch. Dana was never a fighter and never will be a fighter. Instead, he tries to play god and does everything in his power to control the outcome of the matches they make. As a huge fan of MMA, I would hate for this guy to pull a Don KIng and destroy the sport the way boxing was.
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by dec3ptiKon_ on Aug 24, 2010 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions
He's trying to do the total opposite of what ruined boxing.
You can hate the guy all you want but you should hate him for a real reason.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
Dana doesn't TRY to play god....He *IS* God, dec3ptiKon!!!
HE’S THE FREAKIN’ PRESIDENT OF THE UFC!!
How is dana wrong for saying how he feels?
Toney has not only been talking alot of shit, but none of it is based in reality.. Stupidity gets on people’s nerves, specially when your disrespecting the entire sport of mma and a UFC legend.. yes randy is a legend, i wouldn’t call him one of the best fighters of all time but he’s a legend for what he has done, deal with it.
I hope toney gets smashed because he’s an ignorant douchebag.. i dont like ignorance and toney is nothing but ignorant!
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People keep saying boxing is dead
I hate this comment. I personally love both boxing and mma. Boxing is not close to being dead. It is not as important to Americans anymore but it is not even close to being dead in other countries or world wide. Boxing is ten times the size of mma world wide. The only reason boxing is not big in America right now is because there is no huge dominating american heavyweight fighter. If another Tyson or Ali comes out the there will be a huge following in America again. Wladimir Klitschko draws nearly 50,000 fans for every fight. The only great american fighter right now is Mayweather and people cheer against him. You also have Andre Ward. but that is it. You let Americans dominate the weight classes again and see how dead boxing is in america. The problem is that probably will not happen becaused the rest of the boxing world has caught up to american boxers.
I agree
They are estimating more than 50,000 fans to show up at the staduim to watch him fight Peter in his next fight. Boxing is huge right now. Maybe even bigger than it has ever been through out the world because America is not dominating anymore
True but it is losing as far as big sponsors go. And it's north american popularity
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I say good on boxing.
Sports are ruined when they come in contact with the american community.
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LOL
Yeah now your bashing americans? F me man do you realize how ignorant your sounding? I love watching the UFC they put on shows every month sometimes twice a month hell sometimes three times a month with great match ups how the hell can you be against that?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
not bashing americans.
just bashing the american dream. Getting famous and being popular is more important than quality an reality over there.
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The UFC quality is by far the best, what are you talking about?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
unfortunately you are only as good as your popularity in media and that’s what they want and sell. If the UFC didn’t have the matchmaking and free hands to set up all these hype “money fights” would they be as popular and would they make as much money? the answer to that is obviously no!
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Any fight with popular fighters can be stated as "hype fights"
And every org has them the UFC is no different nor is boxing all fights are hyped?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Roberto is correct.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Yeah but that goes every org the UFC is no different than any other org so whats the point we all know all fights and games are hyped?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
It is only losing big American sponsors. That is because Americans do not dominate anymore. The big sponsors are still there they just come from other countries
Other sponsors are not as big as the US
Did you know that the NFL makes more money than any other org in the world including soccer FIFA? And yet American football is viewed by 1/30th of the population go figure.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Well if you combine the teams profit as well probally so, I'll look it up for you
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
no don't.
cause there is noway nfl makes more money. you know why? b/c there are no other successful teams outside of north america, the industry is very small world wide.
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As far as viewers yes but my point was sponsors that pay
US has the highest paying sponsors and that goes for MMA and boxing as well.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
of course they do.
it’s all about money and thousand commercials a second over in hollyhood.
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NFL = American sport for an American audience. And it is huge.
You’ll need to try a little harder. Use more name-calling or something.
by MMACrossfire on Aug 24, 2010 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he should go the Iron Sheik route :
America…..ACH…PTOOEY!!!
There is no denying the quality and amount of action in the UFC is the greatest and being a former boxing fan I can tell you what the UFC is doing is much better and in 10-15 years will be bigger than boxing.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
It will be bigger in america just like our football is bigger in america than thier football is in america but it wont be bigger than boxing worldwide
MMA is already world wide and the amount of MMA fighters coming up in ten to 15 years will be insane
The UFC is just starting to hit the overseas wich is already fairly popular. Maybe you and me will be on here 15 years from now then I can say I told you so.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I abosolutely love mma but mma is not world wide yet,. You have it in several countries( a lot of countries but not even close to the number of countries boxing is in. Boxing is in almost every country even third world countries. Mma will be huge and in 25 or 30 years it may be as big. Now it may make more money than boxing in 10 years but money does not always mean bigger
Bigger doesn't always mean better either
it’s about quality and competition and in my opinion MMA is much better than boxing and the UFC is the pinnacle
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
no see you are blinded by media here, bro. the fighters right now that are under ufc contracts are world class and some of the best no doubt but fights are fights and good fighters are good fighters even if they don’t fight in the UFC, it’s just that they get looked at in a different way when they come over to the UFC b/c that’s where media hangs out and the hollywood people.
it’s kinda like asking yourself, would Lady Gaga the world leading artist right now be as “good/successful” as she is today if she lived in Italy far away from Hollywood and all the scandals she did on purpose to get famous?
would you only see americans dominating the music business if it wasn’t for Hollywood and the commercialized community in america? no.
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there is a reason why soccer or football as we call it
is big everywhere but in the US.
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I'll take that over the guy who acts like he got tackled when he wasn't even touched.
"Before I do anything I ask myself, "Would an idiot do that?" And if the answer is yes, I do not do that thing." - Dwight Schrute
THIS. If I was playing that sissy sport and an opponent acted like that after I barely graze him?
It would be worth the Red Card and suspension to REALLY give him something to Grab his leg about….I would’ve broken it.
Are you on drugs Roberto honestly nothing you stated proves anything
So what if soccer is the biggest sport? The UFC is the best MMA org what does soccer have to with MMA or Lady GaGA? In the UFC brazilians dominate so what? What is your point?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
What does that prove against the UFC? Please tell me.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
so ur gonna talk about dudes tackling dudes
on an mma forum where dudes like GSP and Fitch literally lay on other dudes for 3-5 rounds? My “hero” isn’t a gay guy like Ronaldo, lol. I’m busting balls Roberto, I just don’t get you sometimes. First you are always defending Tito (which is cool, you’re a fan) and now saying Dana is corrupt, which makes no sense at all!
nothing against Dana, just think principles and the true spirit of sports are more important
than bringing in kimbo’s and toney’s and having randy’s only to make money. i’m not into that stuff even if it’s “entertaining” and fun to watch i’m more interested in real competition.
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So your saying that Toney and Randy is not competition? One fight that you believe is not competition does not change the other 99% of fights either.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
looking at the big picture and the pool of fighters, no.
all of their fights are exceptions and handpicked exhibition bouts in a race where the most popular gets the best oppurtunities. I would have no problem if they actually went out and had fights like this to fill out cards but they do this thing from top to bottom, there is no existing system just different business strategies for different popular fighters.
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this is my last post so don't ask any questions, i'm getting repetitive and have thrown out comments for a year.
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Boxing had WWE wrestlers against boxers in fake matches Hulk Hogan?
Hell Muhammad Ali fought Antonio Inoki in a wrestler vs boxer match in Tokyo, and it was real so what? A sport wants to grow it fan base you can’t knock them for that. Popular players get more money in every sport the UFC is no different. You are just hating on the UFC now Roberto.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
we've been discussing.
if Dana/UFC is running a legit sport and/or if u could even call it a sport. I’m saying popularity and money matches aside, it’s not that good for the sport of MMA or for the sport world. It’s 100% more about entertainment like a TV show right now and Dana clearly wants to make headlines over having a good fair sport, which is the wrong mentality to have. The way we’re heading we’re looking at so much more than just matchmaking as a fix, we’re looking at scripted matches shot right outside of universal studios and we’re looking at tons of Kimbo’s who get a shot b/c they’re popular.
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if Dana/UFC is running a legit sport and/or if u could even call it a sport. I’m saying popularity and money matches aside, it’s
With the competition and great fights the UFC has your blinded not to think the UFC is a sport that is what sport is competition! A MMA fighter vs a pure boxer is something many fans and non fans of MMA wanted to see.
your getting your panties tied into a knot for nothing, a pro boxer vs a pro MMA fighter!? Neither are at the top of their game but bot hare legends should be a short heated battle either way how is that not sport?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
well a hardcore mma fan like me, that can't stand boxing
is rooting for Toney to win. Toney right now has the best hands in mma, so I’d say it’s competition at it’s finest. Randy has to avoid getting hit and Toney has to avoid being taken down, seems pretty cut and dry to me, I don’t even know how this is up for debate. As far as Kimbo is concerned (don’t know how he got lumped into this considering he has no real skills), that could have been seen as a money making venture for Dana…except Kimbo was never put on a ppv card so he technically never sold a ppv show
Yeah Kimbo was bad, but he was given fairly even competition(good sport)
And after he showd there was no chance he could compete against the best the UFC got rid of him but they gave him a chance because of his name and thats cool with me.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
and good fighters are good fighters even if they don’t fight in the UFC, it’s just that they get looked at in a different way when they come over to the UFC b/c that’s where media hangs out and the hollywood people.
No if they are a good fighter they are reconized as a good fighter and more than not if they are thought as a good fighter the UFC tries and get them and if they can’t they are still thought of as good but not as fighting the best competition possible wich is less sport and more entertainment than what the UFC does?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Even if the NFL s richer and charge more for endorsements , that just fuels his argument that Americans mess up sports. I will agree we pay sports guys way to much and charge way to much to attend events. In europe you can go see the sports events for way cheaper than you can in the states. Plus they still make profite and guys make good money.
How does that mess up sports?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
It takes the causual fan out of the equation. If you want good seats at a braves game for a family of four. It will cost you 250 bucks. Yes thier is tv but all sports including baseball and nfl view ratings have decline over the last couple years. Except maybe the super bowl
You can go to the movie theatre here for the UFC $15 dolalrs are watch it at any pub for free. And MMA and boxing a prefer to watch on TV with a much better view. I can afford to go live games but prefer the TV as every fan can? What country has such great seat sales tha tmake them any different that doesn’t have poverty issues?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I understand that. I love that we can watch it on tv. I can only speak for myself when I say this. I played college baseball and grew up playing football. I can remember as a kid in the early 90’s going to a dozen or more braves games a year and could afford good seats. Now I may go to one or two because of the prices of everything. That being said i still love the sport but the fire to watch it has left. Now i usually attend college baseball games because the games are just as exciting and cheaper. Hell i cant even name Atlanta’s starting line up anymore. I have seen this happend to dozens of people and heard hundreds talk about it. Now when it comes to mma I love watching it on tv. The prices of the baseball and football take a lot of the excitement out of the game for a lot of people. I love football but I mostly watch college becuase it seems like a more pure game than nfl
by lance2576 on Aug 24, 2010 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thats how the american society works in all walks of life
I’m sure soccer games in certain city’s like manchestor are pricy too, infact I think over there the cost of entertainment is much more costly?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
It is losing North American popularity and endorsment only because there are no great American boxers left. It is not because Americans are not boxing, it is because the rest of the boxing world has caught up with the american boxers. But if there is another great American heavyweight to come out, watch the american fans come back.
Yeah because the smaller boxers in america can't make a living of the scraps the top guys make
It may be growing outside the US but it was always a big world sport. What happen to boxing is BS fights that each fighter or should I say fighter and management made 20+ guaranteed million of coarse there is going to be BS fights. There have been many boxers from other countries for decades the americans are jsut dropping off the most.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Actually, I don't watch Boxing because the Klitschko brothers are BOOOORRRRRINNNG!!
It’s like having Twin Jon FITCH’s. Ugh.
It has nothing to do with where they are from.
here has alway been great fighters in other parts of the world but not in the numbers they are today. The use to come from either Germany russia england america or Mexico. Now they come from everywhere. Poland, indonesia, are even puting out champions
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I understand that the NFL makes more money but that is because the United states is richer than 75% of all the countries combine that are apart of fifa.
Pretty much, if you are pulling more for Toney, then you're uneducated.
Anyone that has any level of respect and understanding for all the disciplines in MMA game has respect for Randy. He’s been in the UFC for about thirteen years now and he can trade punches and submit, even though he is primarily a wrestler. People that say F*** randy or whatever actually make me laugh, but also make me feel disappointed and shows me that there are many noobie noobs who like to talk trash, but don’t understand what a real fight is. I used to watch boxing-talk about a lame as way to fight. Watch UFC 1-4 to see boxers get humiliated with real fighters… =]
And how many boxers were in the fist 4 UFC?
I remember 1 or 2.
What’s wrong with not liking Randy? I have to forget he’s a money grubbing Philanderer just because he’s the MMA guy against a boxer? Fuck Randy.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
Exactly jay it's exciting to see a boxer in MMA and it's good for the sport is what I'm argueing with Roberto about.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
how is that a good point?
Sonnen talked trash about Silva, not About Dana. Also Sonnen never said he would knock out Dana after he knocked out Silva
I'm just saying him and Sonnen compliment each other well.
I’m starting to not care what Dana thinks. He has done great things for the sport and I’m not sure anyone else could have gotten the UFC to the place it is today. BUT I’m tired of his self promoting and biases towards anyone not sharing the same thoughts as him.
toney is gonna knock the bathwater out of randy
its gonna be a murder
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by *Californication* on Aug 24, 2010 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
bathwater?! What kind of lingo is that?
Randy is going to knock the shampoo off of Toney LOL
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
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