Dana White: 'I'm looking toward the Anderson Silva vs Chael Sonnen rematch'
by James Kimball on Aug 24, 2010 12:28 PM EDT
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Let's run this back.
After a performance of a lifetime, albeit one that ended in defeat, Chael Sonnen has been rewarded for his hard work both inside and outside of the Octagon.
UFC President Dana White this morning appeared on ESPN's SportsCenter and with that made an announcement that some fans may love, others not so much.
Anderson Silva vs. Chael Sonnen 2 will be the next title fight in the UFC's middleweight division. White admitted that this is the fight the fans want to see, and his job is to make those type of fights come together. No announcement was made regarding when the fight would happen, though it likely won't be until early next year as Anderson Silva recovers from injury.
So, now that we know the rematch is in the works, how do you feel about it? Is it rightfully deserved? Does Sonnen have a chance the second time around?
Check out the full video interview after the jump where Dana says that Rashad Evans vs. "Shogun" Rua will happen in the middle of next year:
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The real question here is : who will be able to adapt in a rematch? Is there anything that Sonnen can do differently that will earn him the W? I don't think so. Andy will win in the least deserving rematch in UFC history.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Rematches should only be given due to controversy or hard work and a couple wins. Period.
I'm always right, even when I'm wrong.
Sonnen made his best versus an injured fighter and couldn't win. Healthy, Anderson will play with him like he did versus Thales and Demian.
"No one wants to be defeated" Michael Jackson on MMA fights
''A man is not finished when he's defeated; he's finished when he quits'' Richard M. Nixon on Fedor's loss
by Eduardo Cruz on Aug 24, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Eduardo
You sure you’re Brazilian and not Hawaiian? The excuses just flow so easy for you.
Albino Mormon 4 Life
LOL
Do Hawaiians make too many excuses?
"No one wants to be defeated" Michael Jackson on MMA fights
''A man is not finished when he's defeated; he's finished when he quits'' Richard M. Nixon on Fedor's loss
by Eduardo Cruz on Aug 24, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
i think he was shitting on BJ there..
DrewMoney$$$ is the man, I should have never challenged him to a sig bet. You know he started the Pick 'Em pool late and was forced to replace someone who quit and was far behind in last place his score doesn’t truly reflect how good his picks have been. He still has time to come back and is the obvious favorite for the next pool. By the way im picking the Detroit Lions to win the Superbowl the next 3 seasons in a row, and I would also pick Kimbo Slice to beat Fedor and Brock Lesnar any time. I love Kimbo Slice, he is MMA to me. Anyway DrewMoney$$$ is the man, don’t ever challenge him to a sig bet…
I should never have doubted the wisdom of David W-S or the talent of Junior Dos Santos…and screw Dana White
LATE TAKEDOWN FTW
by Synyster_08 on Aug 24, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions
He wont be able to stuff Chael like Thales and Demian
they dont have the wrestling like Chael does.
DrewMoney$$$ is the man, I should have never challenged him to a sig bet. You know he started the Pick 'Em pool late and was forced to replace someone who quit and was far behind in last place his score doesn’t truly reflect how good his picks have been. He still has time to come back and is the obvious favorite for the next pool. By the way im picking the Detroit Lions to win the Superbowl the next 3 seasons in a row, and I would also pick Kimbo Slice to beat Fedor and Brock Lesnar any time. I love Kimbo Slice, he is MMA to me. Anyway DrewMoney$$$ is the man, don’t ever challenge him to a sig bet…
I should never have doubted the wisdom of David W-S or the talent of Junior Dos Santos…and screw Dana White
LATE TAKEDOWN FTW
by Synyster_08 on Aug 24, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah...It's hilarious how all these AS Fanboys are all like "ooooh that won't happen again"
surrrrree….
When will they get it through their thick skulls that SILVA CANNOT HANDLE REAL WRESTLERS??
sigh…..
He beat Sonnen so what is your point?
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
Sonnen only made one mistake near the end of the fifth round,
he won every other round before that. Andy is the one who needs to adapt because he was in more trouble than Sonnen ever was in that match, he won because Sonnen made an error which should not be too difficult to change. Silva is the one who needs to try a new gameplan because it was a one sided match all the way to the end. Sonnen needs to keep doing what he does and just not give up the arm. Silva has much more work to do. Deserving does not come into it, the UFC is not about who deserves what, its about how much money they can make and giving the fans what they want. They chop and change the rules when they like, its all about sports entertainment. He may not deserve it because Andy won fair and square, but he only just won it while being beaten throughout the whole match in the hardest fight he has had in his life, by a guy many foolishly thought had no chance. He deserves it because the majority of people including fighters believes he earned it. I have only ever been really inpressed with Silvas destruction of Franklin, apart that he has had some good wins and some really embarrassing ones, maybe its time to face the fact that he really isn’t the god you think he is. Get ready to throw away your Anderson Silva quilt, pillow case and matching underpants, because we are going to have a new champion.
Yeah but Sonnen always makes that "one mistake" Ade
Hasn’t he been subbed like 6 times???? The guy clearly doesn’t work on his obvious achilles heel and its highly likely for me the same thing would happen again.
True, he should have learned from his mistakes,
but the fact that he only got caught during the last couple of minutes during the fifth showed that he must have been doing something right. With so much at stake this time and that mistake costing him the belt, I do not doubt he can correct the error of his ways. He made one mistake which cost him the match, Silva was no threat at all to him up until that point, and that included the stand up. Silva has a lot more work to do than Sonnen, but that still will not save him from ending up on his back. I am truly looking forward to this.
So do you think there's any chance Sonnen outstrikes Silva again? Do you think it's possible Silva really was injured going into the fight, and that perhaps hindered his performance?
"It's not what you know, it's what you can prove."
Yes, No and no.
I think he got injured during the fight and won’t admit to anyone(himself included) that Chael is the reason for the cracked rib.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
Yep he did. Silva and his agent aka His translator were making excuses....
That Rib thing was a JOKE ‘cause they knew that Chael DESTROYED Silva’s rib but didn’t want to give him any credit…..
If you think Silva isn't a threat everyone in his stand-up you're crazy
Go look at Chael’s face again in his post-fight interview. Chael was dropped in the 2nd or 3rd I can’t remember which.
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Aug 24, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, watch the fight again. Chael was bloodied because of a short elbow to the forehead WHILE ON TOP OF SILVA IN FULL GUARD!!!
Yeah he got clipped and went down but guess what? He was not out…..
Dude I saw that!
Also he got dropped and had more than a cut in his interviews including the one with Mike Straka which was shown on HDNET and posted here on this site.
by Swedish Chef smerdy herdy verdy on Aug 25, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
silva by decapitation in the 2nd...and yes its the least deserving rm in the ufc...this one is for the $
by candyce (formerly known as gaara) on Aug 24, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Waaah Waaah Waaaah....Cry me a river, OJR.
Silva got LUCKY in the end that Chael had a brain-fart and didn’t even glance at how much time was left before getting caught…I bet if he knew, he would’ve either got off of him and got on his bicycle or laid and prayed ’till the end…..
Next time they face, Sonnen will FINISH the job and take the Title that rightfully belongs to him.
Silva won. It looks like you are the one who is crying.
"Friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty. Only enemies speak the truth.
-Stephen King
enough with the fuckign rematches already..shit!!!
I want to see champions fight new blood, not the same guy they just fought!!!
Shogun will have the longest championship reign in the UFC
I agree
This win wasn’t controversial, so doesn’t warrant an immediate rematch. Sonnen lost fair and square by submission for the umpteenth time in his career.
I want Belfort vs Silva and then Silva at light heavyweight division to take on Shogun.
"No one wants to be defeated" Michael Jackson on MMA fights
''A man is not finished when he's defeated; he's finished when he quits'' Richard M. Nixon on Fedor's loss
by Eduardo Cruz on Aug 24, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
^^^THIS^^^
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
I kind of agree.
Shogun would be a nightmare fight for Anderson. There’s no way to avoid the fireworks, which is something Anderson’s kind of proven he dislikes.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
by misterjonez on Aug 24, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude....If Silva couldn't handle Sonnen, What in the Hell makes you think he could handle Shogun?
It will of course be all a moot point WHEN Sonnen finishes the job and takes the title.
Maybe THEN we’ll see Silva move up in Weight Class then….
its for the $ as usual atak
by candyce (formerly known as gaara) on Aug 24, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
but not as big as this one...the fanboys are clammoring for this..
by candyce (formerly known as gaara) on Aug 24, 2010 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I aint big on PPV numbers, its all alien to me in the UK.
I thought the sales for Sonnen/Silva weren’t as fantastic as were predicted????
Still the best AS showing without Forrest...
AS doesn’t sell PPV’s and doesn’t promote his fights. DW needs someone to sell for him and Chael is the best at MW of selling fights.
I can’t wait for Sonnen’s next video rant over this.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
im not aware of it also coz im from the philippines but i guess it pulled out decent numbers around 1 mill i think!
by candyce (formerly known as gaara) on Aug 24, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
600,000
Horrible numbers for the longest reigning champion in the UFC.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
LOL
30 million? THat’s it? I guess Dana’s kids will be shopping at Wal-Mart for back-to-school clothes.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
That's a little bit misleading.
The PPV provider gets half of the PPV revenue right off the top. So the UFC’s part is closer to $15mil.
They’re still raking it in, no question, but I dislike when people are misinformed (deliberately or not).
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
by misterjonez on Aug 24, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually there is nothing misleading.
I said revenue is 30 million which is pretty damn clear. Obviously the actual profit is significantly lower.
Bullets dodge Fedor.
Let me be clear, I'm not suggesting that you're lying or
actively misleading people. What I am saying, is that like with taxes taken from your paycheck that you never see again, DirecTV/ComCast/whatever auto-deducts ~50% from the revenue before it hits Zuffa’s coffers.
So to use the gross revenue generated as any kind of basis for Zuffa’s business practices is a bad idea. That’s my main point, not that you were intentionally mis-stating the facts.
I know that I was stunned to learn how much of the PPV revenue went to the distributors, and I assume I’m not the only person who was unaware of their share. I just like to attach that bit of info whenever PPV revenues get brought up for that reason.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
by misterjonez on Aug 24, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Top line revenue is gross revenue and distribution expense reduces the top line...
while I agree a “disclaimer” should be stated due to the high cost of goods sold (ie the broadcast), it does not render freenow’s answer incorrect.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
And once again, I'll clearly state in this subthread
that I never believed or wanted to convey the notion that I thought he was factually incorrect or purposefully misleading.
It’s just that I generally think the largest of expenses should be included in the discussion if they account for more than ~20% gross revenue. This time it’s maybe ~50%.
One wouldn’t want to say that, for example, your local PUD sells you $100 worth of electricity while only paying their employees and material providers ~30% of that revenue without also mentioning that ~50% of their total cost is purchasing the power from their local coal/hydro/nuclear plant. To do so would be misleading to the consumer who is interested in finding out how much profit is involved in power distribution, whether it was intentionally misleading or not.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
PUD's are public companies that require SEC disclosures and audited financials...
the info is readily available online with access to both the Income statement and the cash flow statement to answer the questions you require.
The UFC is a private company and does not need to disclose ANY info to anyone but the IRS, and I guarantee that the top line is NOT net of distribution costs.
Consumers do not have the right to business information, only shareholders do, but if you want to pick nits and throw disclaimers into the conversation, you may…you just shouldn’t act like they NEED to be disclosed. Intelligent posters understand the difference.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
Internet thuggery at its finest.
You straw-man the entire subject, run it off-course into completely irrelevant territory, then you take an oh-so-clever jab at my intelligence and/or the intelligence of anyone who might benefit from the exchange of this information. Nicely done, the classic trifecta of debate suppression.
If you don’t want it talked about, then don’t contribute to the sub-thread. If you’re just about jerking yourself off while trying to prove how much more knowledgeable you are than mortals like myself, maybe you’re succeeding? I’m done with you on this subject.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
So...I brought up PUD's and the ensuing "lesson" in finance?
Seems to me someone wanted to seem intelligent and get his way and didn’t. If you believe me calling you out for psuedointellectualism is thuggery, than guilty as charged.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
actually, I regret that last post...
I like freenow82 as a poster (no homo) and didn’t like your rebuttal to him….jumped in where I shouldn’t have and was a dick.
Apologies, because I do like your posts.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
ohhh! tnx for clearing that up...i thought its 1.2 or something...hahaha! im not quite sure where the hell did i come up with these numbers!
by candyce (formerly known as gaara) on Aug 24, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Early reports were around 1 million. Those reports have since been corrected.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
Ya but that was All Chael's doing to get it that high
Normal AS match are 250 to 350 K at most. He does not sell matches and the idea he would whoop your ass could not be sold for a while due to the Leites, cote and Maia match. Only reason Forrest got dumped is he was stupid enough to punch at AS’s face and think he was going to hit him.
I've got something to say; it better to burn in hell than to fade away!!!
+1
Rematches should be earned not automatically given out. Im tired of people using excuses like BJ fans and Chael Fans, etc. U fought for titles and u LOST. Work your way back to the top just like everybody else.
Sorry but your name is not Dana. Start your OWN MMA organization and THEN you can make the rules.
You are the Weakest Link.
GOODBYE.
Can’t argue with it really.
Did chael lose? Absolutley
Did he push anderson further than anyone else…by far? For sure
Is josh koscheck a dbag? Of course
Will it sell a lot? Of course is will, who isn’t gonna wanna see this fight? Even guys that dont think its merited are going to tune in to see who’s done what since the last fight to better their chances of victory
"its either going to be genius or its going to f***ing suck. Until I see the first cut I have no idea. But you know what? Neither does anybody else"
Rory 'The Waterboy' Macdonald
Thiago 'Pitbull' Alves
Yushin 'Thunder' Okami
Mauricio 'Shogun' Rua
Dominick Cruz
I don't like it, but it will sell more than ANY other MW fight.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
Tight.
DrewMoney$$$ is the man, I should have never challenged him to a sig bet. You know he started the Pick 'Em pool late and was forced to replace someone who quit and was far behind in last place his score doesn’t truly reflect how good his picks have been. He still has time to come back and is the obvious favorite for the next pool. By the way im picking the Detroit Lions to win the Superbowl the next 3 seasons in a row, and I would also pick Kimbo Slice to beat Fedor and Brock Lesnar any time. I love Kimbo Slice, he is MMA to me. Anyway DrewMoney$$$ is the man, don’t ever challenge him to a sig bet…
I should never have doubted the wisdom of David W-S or the talent of Junior Dos Santos…and screw Dana White
LATE TAKEDOWN FTW
this will end in a KO for anderson in the 1st or 2nd Chael has no other way of adapting his game
if he does the same and Anderson cant stop the takedowns he’ll just get subbed again
"I knew i ‘urt ‘im, when he said argh" – GSP
by Rampagelangford on Aug 24, 2010 11:12 AM EDT reply actions
Agreed.
Dana might be thinking to himself
“Fuck Vitor! don’t loss your fight in November”.
"No one wants to be defeated" Michael Jackson on MMA fights
''A man is not finished when he's defeated; he's finished when he quits'' Richard M. Nixon on Fedor's loss
by Eduardo Cruz on Aug 24, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Not Agreed.
Dana is really thinking to himself
“Sonnen is my best bet to teach that prancing, arrogant, no-english-speaking-turdburglar a lesson”
Keep thinking that...maybe it might come true but I doubt it.
Silva CANNOT defend against Real WRESTLERS. Sorry.
It’s going to be much of the same. Will it be just as one-sided? Hardly but it won’t be 50/50 either. Sonnen will still have the advantage….
Sonnen vs. Bisping = Waste of Time....for Sonnen. If the UFC did that, then all the luster and energy of a Rematch with Silva is Gone.
I mean…What if Silva is defeated by someone else in the meantime? Then where does that leave Sonnen? EXACTLY.
A rematch HAD TO BE MADE.
i wonder if some of this decision isn’t predicated on fear of more bad fights? we know chael can bring it, belfort can bring it, but after that…? would leben get a shot and freeze up from their last fight? probably not, but business wise, this makes sense. i just watched chael/ anderson again yesterday, and it was just as awesome the 3rd time around. i would def not miss the rematch. (although honestly, i get every ppv anyway)
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OFF TOPIC...
Is anyone else’s comments messed up? All of the comments are showing in “white” as in already read by me and no thread is showing a comment I haven’t read, but I just logged in a few minutes ago.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
same
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
by misterjonez on Aug 24, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Click on 'post it' and be happy. It happened to me yesterday but it's OK today.
"No one wants to be defeated" Michael Jackson on MMA fights
''A man is not finished when he's defeated; he's finished when he quits'' Richard M. Nixon on Fedor's loss
by Eduardo Cruz on Aug 24, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
wheres post it?
"its either going to be genius or its going to f***ing suck. Until I see the first cut I have no idea. But you know what? Neither does anybody else"
Rory 'The Waterboy' Macdonald
Thiago 'Pitbull' Alves
Yushin 'Thunder' Okami
Mauricio 'Shogun' Rua
Dominick Cruz
when the screen is white.
"No one wants to be defeated" Michael Jackson on MMA fights
''A man is not finished when he's defeated; he's finished when he quits'' Richard M. Nixon on Fedor's loss
by Eduardo Cruz on Aug 24, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Gooood, much deserved rematch
Sonnen takes the belt this time.
Its gonna be good.
by Lester The Pimp on Aug 24, 2010 11:20 AM EDT reply actions
I think the fight ends quickly this time around,
and I’m betting Sonnen. He won’t be intimidated at all by Anderson’s standup this time. And I don’t care what the bravado says, you know he was a little intimidated last time out until he felt a few shots.
The second time, I see it as a short/mid-range slugfest that Chael wins. Anderson’s striking looks like it’s only dangerous at medium/long range and in the MT clinch.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
by misterjonez on Aug 24, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
THIS. +1 Rec'd
It makes me chuckle to see all these AS wang-eaters defend their “hero”.
They need to face it : Spiderman has met Carnage and Venom all rolled into one and his name is Sonnen.
...
Danago-n. a fat, ugly, Canadian bitch who constantly posts retarded shit on an otherwise cool forum; see also-AIDS, gayer than
Hadoken!!
Acid Test
Will be a good Acid Test for both fighters. Injury or excuse?
On a side note – it is great that Dana is taking requests. May be a good time to put together ten fights you would like to see???
The Ultimate Warrior - Jesus Christ
Who here thinks this is part of what Dana was talking about in the 112 aftermath?
The quote above about giving the fans what they want kind of points to that factor as being a key point.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
Yeah but not everyone wants to see an immediate Sonnen rematch, it's a polarizing subject.
There isn’t the cry for a rematch like there was with Shogun/Machida.
Good counterpoint.
Polarizing is definitely one thing this rematch qualifies as. But even Anderson’s fans have to relish the prospect of him smashing Chael in R1, which is definitely something to look forward to.
And it’s not like there is a better, clear-cut option. Belfort is an intriguing matchup, but he hasn’t exactly ‘earned it.’
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
by misterjonez on Aug 24, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
This will end in the 1st or second round.
And it’s Sonnen who will end it.
What's up with Mania?
Why is it not showing when there are new comments in a thread?
Facebook is for gays!
Yeah, they were having big-time bandwidth issues awhile ago.
Probably juggling servers, which is always a bitch on services. Things like the comment flags for read/unread are generally done on a different server from the ones that store the data from the threads. I’m guessing they’re either A) having problems with their media server(s) or B) just doing some generic maintenance that had some unintended programming side-effects.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
by misterjonez on Aug 24, 2010 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
It's SBNation, I think.
I’m getting the same thing on all of my sites.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
by misterjonez on Aug 24, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Casual fans vs. Educated fans
I feel like rematches are for casual fans. It’s easier for the UFC because they have already hyped up the fight once, and now they can market the fight twice as easily as they could a fight we haven’t seen yet. The problem is, I feel that the more educated fans lose out on the less mareketable fighters that we want to see. I understand because it is a business first… but it doesn’t mean we all have to like it… grrr. Well, Chael made the most of his rematch with Filho, but I don’t think it will happen again with BadASS. And before some people get mad, I’m not saying that all educated fans don’t like rematches or this rematch, I’m just stating that generally this has been my experience with the different fans I’ve spoken to.
Filho went nuts prior to the rematch with Chael...shouldn't really count.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
No he will not and his agent aka translator aka dickhead Ed Soares is going to see his worst nightmare come to life.
And all this after he said that Sonnen does NOT Deserve a Rematch.
Ha! EAT IT, ED!!
interesting
I dont think he should get the next crack at the title, he did lose fair and square, but I must admit I look forward to the fight!!
It's fair
Chael Sonnen drew the blue prints in how to beat Anderson Silva. I already knew all you had to do was push him and get all over his face. Why Lyoto Machida get his ass kick? Because Shogun Rua was smart enough to know that in order to beat a “fighter” who all it does is run around like a clown is to charge at him with punches.
That's actually an angle I hadn't considered until you pointed it out.
Shogun and Sonnen, using the same strategy but different tactics, did the same thing to similar guys in Machida and Anderson. Shogun blasted Machida on the feet, proving that you can get inside and bust Lyoto up if you’re willing to eat a few shots on the way. Sonnen blasted Anderson on the feet by closing distance and never letting Silva set his range and timing.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
by misterjonez on Aug 24, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it has to do with two things
1) the Aura, people were in there fighting the best guy in the world who has been making former champs look SILLY.
2) the style of his opponents. Throwing in guys he can counterstike their sloppy punches and jitz guys with no standup and bad Takedowns.
a combo of these two has led to ando not being pushed.
cue Chael.
-It's Better To Be Judged By Twelve Than Carried By Six-
(In the name of the SouthCaliStunNa, amen)
by *Californication* on Aug 24, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I tend to agree that, intentionally or unintentionally
Anderson was given a line of opponents he was able to excel against. And when he did run into a good wrestler who should have been able to push him in Hendo, he pulled off a convincing win utilizing his striking and BJJ.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
by misterjonez on Aug 24, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
only thing about hendo is he stands and bangs with the right brick
for such a high calibe wrestler hes been known to not only not get the TD in mma, but BE taken down by “lesser” opponents.
I view Sonnen as the first person Ando faced in the UFC who USES his dominant wrestling. and it showed.
-It's Better To Be Judged By Twelve Than Carried By Six-
(In the name of the SouthCaliStunNa, amen)
by *Californication* on Aug 24, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree. Henderson fell in love with his right hand a long time ago and really
let his wrestling atrophy. But really, who are the other killer wrestlers at MW? I’m drawing a blank, now that I think about it.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
Yeah, and Okami isn't really a master-level MMA wrestler.
Okami is really well balanced, but I’m not sure if he is capable of implementing a relentless takedown approach like Sonnen did. Shields might be able to, and Fitch could do it if he moves up in weight, but there aren’t many guys with the same tools that Chael has at that weight.
Which seems weird, since LW, WW, LHW and maybe even HW are essentially dominated by wrestlers.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
Sonnen is definitely in an elite class of wrestling
But the fact is that Silva’s takedown defense is not great or even good. He’s been taken down in several of his matches. I remember the Lutter match, he had an injury excuse for that one too.
I don’t think LHW is dominated by wrestlers. Only top guy who is wrestling-based is Rashad. Jon Jones has a background in Greco, but I wouldn’t call him a wrestling-based fighter. You also have King Mo and Bader, but the top guys, Shogun and Machida, are strikers.
HUH?
I would argue LHW with onlt Bader, shad and Bones…UFC LW only really has Maynard (#6), Frankie (#1), Guida (15ish) and Sherk (#7) (if he actually wrestles), but Melendez (#3) and Alvarez (#4 or 5) both have a strong wrestling base, so 5 out of top 8 in the world (minus BJ, Aoki and Kenny) are wrestlers. That is pretty good, only eclipsed by WW out of ALL the divisions.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
In LHW the number 1 and 2 guys are both strikers…. Bader is unproven and Shad is over rated and was inches from losing his last 2 fights..Bones striking is what makes his wrestling so dominate… If the champion is not a wrestler you can not call the division dominated by wreslters..Period….
read it worng ( I read LW, not LHW)
I was agreeing with you that LHW was weakest in wrestling. bad day.
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow. The important thing is to not stop questioning." - Albert Einstein
nice
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by *Californication* on Aug 24, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not on any betting sites and don't want to use credit cards to bet people
I can send these dudes money without the hassle of all that shit. Plus if/when I win I want to be able to take the money out without the hassle.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
Fuck Silva.
Sonnen beat him like he was bought and paid for for 5 rounds then fucked up and lost to the lesser fighter. Silva lucked out that the asswhipping he was handed for 22 minutes tired sonnen and caused a momentary lapse of attention which he capitalized on. I saw one post which said that’s the mark of a true champion. In my opinion it was a gift from God that allowed him to keep his title. I reiterate; fuck Silva and while we’re at it fuck those two jackasses with the Frankenstein faces otherwise known as the Noguiera brothers. oh, and Dana while we’re at it fuck you too.
by lionjack@sbcglobal.net on Aug 24, 2010 1:46 PM EDT reply actions
why rematch?
There was no. Going to the. Judges. No contraversy. By that logic Brock and carwin should have a rematch right away. I think Dana has emerging against silva. And this decision is a personal one
by champ91 on Aug 24, 2010 2:00 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I’d love to see Carwin v Brock2 but the reason that didn’t happen is because Cain was already waiting in the wings…
Brock has other challengers, Silva does not.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
Agreed
If there was anyone remotely interesting, I would be on the “no rematch” side.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
Theres Vitor/Okami
but Vitor has got to have ring rust up to his eyes by now and Okami needs atleast one more top guy to set him for title gold status
Lets get a proven #1 Belfort vs Sonnen or Okami vs Sonnen. Silva is out tell next year in the meantime let Sonnen face another top contender to prove he should be the one.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Sonnen already manhandled Okami
Also, why would you potentially diminish a contender’s rep (Belfort) unless it is to build up another contender? Sonnen doesn’t need any building up.
Belfort-Okami for next contender.
Sonnen should fight someone who lost. Maybe the loser of Maia-Miranda this coming weekend.
Bullets dodge Fedor.
Sonnen vs Bisping
The comedy from those two would be beyond awesome. Also a good tune up fight for sonnen since I don’t think Bisping could beat sonnen.
I'd agree with that fight if it didn't jeopardize Sonnen's standing as the #1 contender to Silva...
Unless they make that fight as “just another fight with no consequences to the loser except that it’s simply another L in their record”, I don’t want this fight.
shut up
Dana hates Silva because of the way he acted in the last fight….that was a joke against Maia if u r so good finish the person!!!!!
Good for Sonnen
He pretty much said it on ESPN that Anderson fooled him into thinking he was going to ride the fight out and had quit fighting. If you look in other rounds Chael was defending good, he was stopping the submissions. In the 5th he figured he didn’t stop me yet and with what little time he has left I don’t think he can now but he unfortunately had one hail mary left.
I hope he can do it this time. Poor guy just wants a dam belt.
Blah Blah Blah in the end Sonnen lost
“But he was winning the whole fight!” The fact is he lost no matter how well he did, it didn’t come down to bad judging simply he lost. How about a Okami and Sonnen rematch or Maia and Sonnen Silva is out tell next year lets get a proven #1.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Your certainly a angry gentlemen.
Go watch the Gray Maynard interview to calm yourself down.
Silva is a pussy
He got hit so hard by sonnen he doesn’t even know what year it is….he got his ass handed to him on a platter and he is scared now…………..naaaaa naaaa nnaaaaa heeey hheeeeyy good bye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK OKAMI!!! HE DOESN'T EVEN DESERVE TO WIPE SONNEN'S ASS, LET ALONE HAVE A REMATCH WITH HIM!!
I’m so glad that Dana is the UFC President and Not you…..SO GLAD.
wow….
you guys are like a broken record
…It’s pretty absurd how the Silva fans are right back to regurgitating “Silva will KO him inside the first round” again…
Yeah...I mean it kind of reminds me of many of Brock's Opponents in the past.
First it was how Couture would beat Brock easily…
Then it was how Mir would beat him again in the 2nd fight…
Then it was Brock will get KTFO’ed by Shane…..
Now some are getting on the CAIN Bandwagon…
Just like people here(some of them) can’t accept Reality that Silva has met his Kryptonite in Chael Sonnen.
The people who would blow Anderson Silva if they could...
…seem to think a rematch is a bad idea. Sure they do because, all but for a lapse in concentration in the 5th round, Sonnen would’ve squashed the Spider. Silva supporters don’t want a rematch because the next time around Silva will be waking up on the floor and in portugese will be heard to say to the ref “Noboby fucked me while I was unconscious, did they?”
by lionjack@sbcglobal.net on Aug 24, 2010 3:19 PM EDT reply actions
Agreed, but it's not like he had any other options available to him.
It was the very definition of a Hail Mary submission. Just because the secondary was tired at the time doesn’t in any way/shape/form mean that Anderson’s plan the whole time was to get dominated for 4 1/2 rounds before he pulled off a triangle.
BJJ is what it is, a style to make the most out of any given position. He used it to perfection, but it’s not like he was in control leading up to the point he pulled it off. There’s a vague “He was able to apply the triangle, so he was de facto in control” argument somewhere in there, but it’s weak.
He did get the victory, though.
If I was a hungry man with a gun in my hand and some promises to keep...
by misterjonez on Aug 24, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
THIS. bob is just butthurt that his "Hero" was less than a minute away from losing his belt.
He already lost his “aura” of invincibility(like Fedor lost his to Werdum) and now the Belt is all he has left. And Sonnen will take that and ultimately “Retire the Spider” once and for all.
GO GET HIM, CHAEL!!
I bet sonnen drops him again while standing and grounds out a decision. If chael wouldmjust work out of half guard he would be much safer.
I think chael has anderson’s number. I’m not getting too excited for this fight. I can see soares saying Anderson is hurt to get out of this fight.
by Conan the Barbarian on Aug 24, 2010 3:56 PM EDT reply actions
I watched the fight again and again - I think Chael was not as close as it looked
I feel Anderson came into that fight with something to prove. I needed to show that he can be in a ‘real’ fight and not a one sided boring beat down. Ive watched the fight over and over. Anderson looks bored. In a fight where a fighter gets taken down and controlled on the ground by a good wrestler, that fighter usually gets very frustrated and worn out (ie. Marquardt). Anderson was moving his hips, avoiding damage and seemed to not be working for something specific during the first 4 rounds. On the feet he had his hands down and took most of what Chael threw at him without flinching too much (yes, one punch did back him up)
To me it looked as if Anderson wanted this fight to end on the ground (he even took Chael down at one point) I think that the rematch will be very one sided. I think Anderson will keep on the feet and will pick Chael apart.
It looks as if what went on in the first fight was either Blackhouse’s idea or a UFC’s so they could validate both fighters and sell the rematch.
really. i just watched it again last night. anderson took tons of shots on the ground. he took, what, 289 shots or something out of boredom? got his ears boxed out of boredom? he was unprepared for what chael really brought. he pulled out the win, but he was losing that fight up until the last minute and half. chael showed no fear, so anderson couldn’t pull the same shenanigans he usually does. and i say that with love, ‘cause i think he’s an amazing fighter. but his cobra met his mongoose.
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Dude....I seriously wish there was an option for a NEGATIVE REC 'cause you'd get about Hundred for this ASININE POST.
Oh my god….YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!!! If you think for even ONE MILLISECOND that Silva’s plan was to get bashed in the face on his back over and over and over for 5+ rounds was his plan all along, then I’ve got a great deal for you on the Brooklyn Bridge!!!!
geez….Seems ANYONE can sign up for mmamania….even the Brainless Retards out there.
Wow, aren't you an angry little guy
I assume that whatever you wrote in CAPS was meant to be louder than the rest, right?
Funny how my “retarded” rant got your panties all up in a bunch. I thought my point of view was a valid as any other fan’s on this site… I guess you beg to differ. That is perfectly fine. There was no need for you to get your blood pressure that high. Amazingly, your calm and well spoken point of view did not change my mind about the fight and I will be very excited to see the rematch and see if I was right (unlike you, I wont wet my bed in case I was wrong, I would actually continue living my life as if nothing happened).
Please get back to me on that BK bridge offer, that sounds tempting.
Yours truly
“Brainless Retard”
YESSS!!!!
belfort vs winner of Marqourt vs phalhares for #1 contender
HA!
Sonnen finishes him this time.
Undisputed Sig Bet Champion on the TitoOrtiz/Fight Pros forums!!
BJ Penn, best P4P fighter on the planet. I'll still stand by that all day long, bitches.
Always have respected Shogun Rua.
8-7-10 Anderson Silva was destroyed and exposed.
R.I.P. Dime and Ryan Gracie.
Silva is done
See u later Silva brother……..yeah u got the shit kicked out of u buy Mr. Sonnen and i bet he is more than happy to do it again because he will (injury boooohoooooo!!!!!) u got ur ass handed to u silva and that belt will be gone in round 2….bye bye go fight GSP and he will kick ur butt as well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Sonnen Destroyed the Aura of Invincibility of Silva....Now he will take the BELT of Silva.
Along with the souls of all the Silva butt-sniffers out there.
It will be….GLORIOUS. :)
I'm glad more..
people are using their brains and understanding that Silva really isn’t that good.
Undisputed Sig Bet Champion on the TitoOrtiz/Fight Pros forums!!
BJ Penn, best P4P fighter on the planet. I'll still stand by that all day long, bitches.
Always have respected Shogun Rua.
8-7-10 Anderson Silva was destroyed and exposed.
R.I.P. Dime and Ryan Gracie.
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