Confusion over oxygen cans at Strikeforce: 'Houston'
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Quoteworhty:
"The [use of oxygen] cans were actually brought to my attention this morning by one of our guys. I didn't see anything, but I had heard they were taking canned oxygen. But right now I just don't have enough information and I don't want to comment until I find out what it was. But from what I hear everything they did was approved by the commission so we'll have a conversation with them."
The above picture just looks suspicious, doesn't it? If you didn't catch both "King" Mo and K.J. Noons using canned oxygen directly before their fights at Strikeforce: Houston, don't feel bad, Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker last night told MMA Nation he didn't either. For those who did notice, including Middle Easy which went into great detail about just how preposterous it really was, you were likely wondering how this was allowed. In theory, the usage of canned oxygen would obviously be a great benefit, seemingly increasing one's cardio and stamina, a huge part of the fight game. It didn't exactly help Lawal, but that's neither here nor there. Using such substances is also very clearly disallowed under the established rules for every state's athletic commission, including Texas. Anyone else find it a bit odd that not one Strikeforce employee or member of Texas' commission was curious that fighters were using this completely foreign substance? What should Scott Coker, or anybody else in a position of authority for that matter do about this?
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illegal?
Are these oxygen cans bad for you?
Sound like a good way to improve your endurance, and i wonder how many fighters use these in the locker room outside of camera view
by RiskReturnGroup on Aug 23, 2010 10:53 AM EDT reply actions
ummm...
Fighters are monitored in their locker rooms too… If the commision knew they were illegal and saw them doing it in their locker room then its the same thing as doing on camera… WELL except in this case because the Texas AC is a JOKE and missed their own RULE
My wife and I were wondering what was in those cans?
My two best guesses were Oxygen or Cheese. But I said if they were fighting in Colorado, I would expect oxygen, but seeing that they are in Texas, I’m not sure.
Her best guess was Nitrous… lol
I AM SOMETIMES BIASED - Get over it!!!!!!!
by ViolentMike on Aug 23, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
Nitrous! LOL
Anderson Silva is by far the number one P4P king!!! Even when he is losing a fight he still comes back and finishes for the win! GSP dominates the whole fight and still can't finish! LOL
Compressed oxygen were just admited for use by the
World Doping Agency after years of being illegal just this past january. Commission though i do not believe have adopted that take on them. Essentially boosts your cardio in the short term like boxers use to do with ashtma pills. Though as an advocate of PEDs in combat sports, this is being an issue nothing but bull to me. Hell maybe that scrub lashley should have taken some.
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Aug 23, 2010 11:45 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If they are allowed why doesn't everyone use them?
Sounds a little fishy to me, and I can’t see these working to well if you use them in the locker room before? The best is between rounds to get oxygen to the fatigued muscles right away.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I think those should definitely be allowed,
It’s oxygen for gods sake and everyone is getting their panties in a bunch.
Every fighter should use that between rounds so we see better conditioning and less fatigue. good for everybody.
Bullets dodge Fedor.
Why are they banned in other sports?
And are the contents of the bottle checked before? Who knows with todays tec what else can be put in a bottle to help performance?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Cuz knowing the Diaz brothes it could be weed smoke in a can.
I've got something to say; it better to burn in hell than to fade away!!!
by dandeman on Aug 23, 2010 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LMFAO......
Probably some real dank nuggett too!
Here is a great article
by Mike Chiappetta from Fanhouse on the controversy behind the oxygen….
To me in this sport, it’s fighting, it’s mixed martial arts, and I feel there’s too many athletes and not enough fighters…I think these people going in taking these sports enhancement drugs, they’re not real fighters, they’re athletes. I’m a fighter. I’m a real fighter. That’s all I did my whole life. - BJ Penn
This is absolutely nothing more than placebo prior to a fight. If they are normally oxygenated humans, walking at normal atmospheric pressure, the oxygen makes no difference prior to the fight.
You can’t force more oxygen into fully saturated red blood cells.
Wags
I'm not so sure
The makers of this make all sorts of crazy claims about the product. Divers are supposed to be able to hold their breath twice as long if they take this apparently. Might be something in it???
If it is considered illegal then they should be disciplined...
It would enhance your stamina and give you a big boost of energy, before a fight. Especially after a warm up which takes away a % of your energy level. I could imagine what ever blood cells you depleated O2 of during your warm up would give a decent boost. Would in it also help with any lactic acid production that began to be prodced in your warm up, since that is produced when O2 levels in muscles begin to be depleated?
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There may be some truth to the fact that it would not have done them a lot of good right “before” the fight when they were not winded and their blood already teaming with oxygen, but there are cases when canned oxygen can be a huge benefit. Many pro football players breath pure oxygen on the sidelines because it helps you recover faster and catch your breath quicker.
Another benefit of breathing pure oxygen is that it immediately enters the blood and gives you a rush of energy and focus (not a placebo effect). Don’t believe me? Well, next time you see an elderly family member with an oxygen tank, ask to take a couple of breaths and see if you don’t notice a difference.
higher then normal oxygen levels in the blood also give you enhanced endurance as well. In fact there is a form of blood doping that involves enriching the blood with oxygen and white blood cells. Some cyclists and long distance runners would do this to give them an edge, until the IOC and many other organizations banned it. Breathing canned oxygen can do the same thing, just on a more rudimentary level.
No, that's NOT what I said... but it's probably what I meant.
by DamonRexroad on Aug 23, 2010 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Canned oxygen is a silly placebo.
DogWagner is absolutely correct. Reasons:
1. If you are not fatigued, you can’t load much more oxygen into your red blood cells and if you do, it’ll make you dizzy.
2. If it was helpful, you could just hyperventilate yourself prior to the fight, no need for canned oxygen, just breath faster.
3. Effects of loading oxygen into your blood are VERY temporary ie seconds. If you sucked oxygen from a can before a fight, your blood oxygen levels would be back to normal well before the fight began. Your lungs need to constantly exchange oxygen / CO2. What you suck from a can might be equivalent to a couple of breaths.
4. The reason why football players and other athletes take oxygen is to help them deal with acute shortages of oxygen after intense physical exercise (called oxygen debt). Muscles that have been worked, will store lactic acid that needs to be removed. This requires oxygen. The point is, taking oxygen in a form more pure than is found in the air, is only useful if you have oxygen debt, you can’t store meaningful levels of extra oxygen in your blood for more than a few seconds.
5. " next time you see an elderly family member with an oxygen tank, ask to take a couple of breaths and see if you don’t notice a difference"
- Yes, try this, you will see that the effect lasts for seconds. You may also experience a slightly longer lasting psychological effect but this is not related to how much oxygen is in your blood.
6. “there is a form of blood doping that involves enriching the blood with oxygen and white blood cells” Blood doping involves injecting red blood cells (not white blood cells… those are called leukocytes and are involved in immune regulation). This is totally different from taking oxygen. In this case you are increasing the number of cells that can carry oxygen, not just loading more oxygen into cells. This has long lasting effects and is effective in allowing your body to carry more oxygen AND to exchange CO2.
by H.I. McDunnough on Aug 23, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Great Posts from you and the Doc
My best friend is a nuero psychologist (this doesnt mean I understand all that he does) and he always talks about how powerful a placebo can be. Call me a purist, but I am more for the individual creating his own motivation without “props”. Your information about o2 intake is very good, but the biggest tool in the bag is the mind. I would rather limit the fighters to water once they enter the cage.
The Ultimate Warrior - Jesus Christ
NFL players wear oxygen masks on the sidelines during games
Watch any NFL game and you’ll see, especially the lineman, wearing oxygen masks on the sidelines in between series.
well one guy won
and the other guy lost using it. so i guess im 50/50 on weather or not this is a super performance enhancer.
never have any regrets, because at the time, thats all you wanted to do
Yeah, the knee from Feijao took away any advantage Mo might have had.
by HappyLittleTreez on Aug 23, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
child that's not the point the guy that lost may have fatigued even earlier and caused less damage ot the winner
If it allows a fighter to last lets say 20% onger than without thats cheating unless the opponent he is facing is aware and can do the same. Now if it is not banned then this is something other fighters may use themselves and if so the bottles should be checked before the fight to make sure that the contents in the bottle are what they say they are.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
how dare you say king mo would gas out in a 5 rounder
im just kidding, but i do see the point you are making. all athletes take something that non-athletes do not in order to boost performance. i would see oxygenating ones self the same as someone who hydrates themselves with liquids other than water. you can pump too much oxygen into your system just as you can drink too much liquid.
soon enough we will see oxygen bars backstage at all mma events
never have any regrets, because at the time, thats all you wanted to do
Not if they are banned
Why don’t we this with any other sport, there is probally a reason check H.I. McDunnough post above.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
Whatever
If King Mo and KJ did it then everyone can do it. The Alethic Commision has to approve the trainer equipment as far as i know. i dont think Mo or Noons are notorious gassers but, i can see the argument that it is bending the rules. Until, further study these pieces of equipment should be used but, the fighters should know that if found that these are illegal all wins will be forfeited
Punch after the bell, illegal knee to a downed opponent and now huffing pure oxygen before the fight
Texas athletic commission: “everything looks fine to us”
by _Haze_ on Aug 23, 2010 11:14 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
The Knee should have been a point reduction but, the punch seemed so close.
by ThePunisher on Aug 23, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
The punch was fucking beautiful
Highlight of the night imo
by Lester The Pimp on Aug 23, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
It's really hard for me to watch Strikforce anymore...
Not that the fights are that terribly bad, but the whole show, program, everything is so drawn out, boring, and cheesy. Cmon with the fire and long intros, then Jimmy Lennon Jr. intro, then referee “touch ’em up” talk. Not to mention Mauro, Gus, and Shamrock ungodly boring banter. Shamrock is so bad, he read a full blown card at the beginning of the program…so cheesy. It’s 15 mins of nothing in between the fights. Mauro must be trying his hardest to get in with the UFC, since he mentions the UFC, their fighters, and their stars every chance he gets. Just boring…I’m almost officially checked out from SF. There are some interesting fights they could do, but without a DVR to get through the atrocious commentary, stupid interviews, and cheeseball pyrotechnics, I wouldn’t watch.
C'mon
The UFC took so long to get to the point of elite it is now. They had cheeseball matrix lasers, everyone had the same song, tito had a jumbrotron video, cutomized music, mark oswald! it takes time.
by ThePunisher on Aug 23, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
and they to this day refuse to remove that
face the pain mixed with gladiator entrance. We get it dana, they’re modern day warriors. Still though Pat Miletich was seriously on point on the undercard action. And he was by himself too, still outshined all those clowns.
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by NNR (formerly NameNotRequired) on Aug 23, 2010 11:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I have face the pain tatted on inner left forearm
I liked that saying and because, i use to do shows with the guys from STEMM
by ThePunisher on Aug 23, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
anybody that didnt like those fights on saturday
…didn’t watch those fights on saturday.
www.mondaymorningblackbelt.com
by daniel worby on Aug 23, 2010 12:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
fights were fine
I just mute the sound- and fast forward through everything until the bell.
"We fight, get beat, rise, and fight again."
They were good fights for sure
But they were no were near UFC quality thats for sure.
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
wow
is it such a coincedende (or however you spell it) that the same commision who missed this happen to not drug test any of these fighters. rafael did have a huge size advantage over mo that appeared outta nowhere since his last fight. strikeforce has to get their act together
by Jui-jitsu4life on Aug 23, 2010 11:15 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
why
why does everyone assume he’s juicing? or that guys jucing because, they have different weight and such. Are some prolly getting away with roids’, yes i aint retarded. Lets wait til someone fails a drug test is all.
by ThePunisher on Aug 23, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Canned Oxygen?
What’s next….bottled water?
Went to my first jits class. Don't think I was ever so happy with getting my ass handed to me
No kidding...
What alot of nothing to complain about. Just like the MLB witchhunt, waste of time and money.
I'm going to get some of this stuff for myself.
but I’ll just collect it myself with an empty bottle of water.
Facebook is for gays!
that would be something cool to try. Has any seen
CardioFactor that sponsors some fighters.
by ThePunisher on Aug 23, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Football players on sidelines...
You would think they would be doing this in the back room and not in front of the cameras like the other things they do to get ready for the fight ie “using iv to get body fluids back up” etc. That guy vs lawal looked like a good 20 lbs heavier he must have a good team helping him with his needles lmao.
It's not fair for one fighter to get clean oxygen and the other to breath the same
dirty O2 the rest of us poor regular people breath in.
Facebook is for gays!
Thats the main issue CHAMP
Are all the fighters informed about this and know they can use it?
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
i thought the body could only process a certain amount of Oxygen in each breath anyway
i bet it make little to no difference to cardio
Im no science major but..
Real air has only about 5% oxygen in it. So a boost of even a little bit would slow your breathing down because there would be not as much carbon dioxide in your blood, going to your brain. thus making you have to breath.
There could be something too it..
Riding the Brock Train..
Ryan Ford is the real deal. Wait for the day he's in the UFC.
Well I said I wasn't a Science major..
Haha, I knew there was something about 5%. Although I did know 100% oxygen would kill you.
Riding the Brock Train..
Ryan Ford is the real deal. Wait for the day he's in the UFC.
just read this http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/05/070521213022.htm
maybe pure oxygen isn’t a very good idea
How the fuck is oxygen a "completely foreign substance"?
Really reaching with the media sensationalism there.
As long as both fighters can use it, there should be no problem
"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the mouth - Mike Tyson
I agree
Let them suck 5 of those babies between rounds. Who cares? As long as both of them get them, no big deal.
Noons does not have power in his hands. Maybe his knees but his hands do not have KO power. they’re good enough to cut up and swell up gurgel’s face, but he won’t be ko’ing gurgel tonight.-STAK
well
using oxygen cans make sense.
if they are also just oxygen cans.
dont see the harm in using them.
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